Putin Says Services Like Microsoft, Zoom Should Be 'Throttled' in Russia (yahoo.com) 93
An anonymous reader shares a report: Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Monday that foreign service providers like Microsoft and Zoom that act against Russian interests should be "throttled." Putin said it was important for Russia to develop domestic software solutions.
We can help them with that (Score:4, Insightful)
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Just throttle them to zero.
Well... something/one should be throttled to zero in Russia.
Microsoft What? (Score:2)
What is he talking about?
M$ provide all sorts of services. Is he going to ban Office 365 ?
Re: Microsoft What? (Score:1)
Re: Microsoft What? (Score:2)
Joke would be funnier and more realistic if you said MS Office or Windows.
Re: Microsoft What? (Score:1)
Re: Microsoft What? (Score:2)
What was the last time you used LibreOffice? It's pretty alright these days.
On the other hand, what was the last time you used Excel for anything more than rudimentary maths?
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No, he's just going to make it suck even more.
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Well, basically yes, thsts where its going.
He can't let anyone use it for gov stuff anyway or cia gets to read whats on there.
But look euro countries are thinking of moving governance out of MS now too due to trump crossing the line publicly of ordering ms around.
Actually (Score:5, Insightful)
They shouldn't be operating there at all
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MS (Score:3)
Re: MS (Score:2)
Because 99.99% of Russians don't have anything to do with Putin and still need an OS to run shit. No one wants Russia to become a disconnected rogue state like North Korea.
Re: MS (Score:5, Insightful)
You are very uninformed. Putin propagandizes his population far more effectively, and for far longer, than Trump.
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Only because he's had more time to do it.
Re: MS (Score:2)
If you think Russians are as disconnected from information as North Koreans, it's definitely you who need to be better informed.
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If you think Russians are as disconnected from information as North Koreans, it's definitely you who need to be better informed.
You're confusing 'is' with 'desires to be'. They're not the same.
https://www.wired.com/story/ru... [wired.com]
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Not exactly at the same level as NK, but Russian are very disconnected [wikipedia.org] from information.
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As unfortunate as it may be to deny the common citizen Russia the services they need to "run shit" they are still a contributing factor to the ability of Putin to wage his war on Ukraine. If these services mean Russia can produce food then that means food for the soldiers that have killed innocent civilians in Ukraine. If these services mean Russia is producing fuel for heat and light among the general population then that means fuel for armored vehicles in Ukraine causing death and destruction.
As much as
Re: MS (Score:5, Insightful)
So the Israeli's killed by Hamas were all "contributing factors" to displacing the Palestinians from their former homes?
That's an odd non-sequitor, but it's also incorrect -- they were THE reason. It's foolish to assume you can attack, or worse, outright invade another country and expect neither resistance nor retaliation. That doesn't just invite it, it literally provokes it. Putin was pissed off that Ukraine didn't welcome him with open arms, and worse, ended up seeing his own infrastructure bombed and land taken. What the fuck did he expect? Same shit with Palestine.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
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Probably that Ukraine would negotiate, which they did.
Speaking of not knowing history, I do really like watching people like you cherry pick what you decide is truth. It's only a shame that people like you are allowed to vote.
Re: MS (Score:4, Insightful)
Because 99.99% of Russians don't have anything to do with Putin
Terrible leaders can win with a majority of support, as we've seen right here in America with our most recent election. Sure, you can't blame all Russians for Putin, but never underestimate the ability of citizens to get behind a nationalist madman.
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To be exact, terrible leaders can with with a minority of support, as we've seen right here in America with our anachronistic Electoral College nonsense combined with state party gerrymandering where the party is picking the voters.
But hey, at least corporations can spend unlimited money on politics, so that's gonna fix it, right?
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How many of the 99.99% voted for him?
How many are producing weapons?
How many are part of the military?
How many provide fuel and infrastructure to the war machine?
How many are involved in the propaganda?
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Because 99.99% of Russians don't have anything to do with Putin
That mentality right there is the problem. 99.99% of Russians need to feel the pain their strong man is causing others, and change their fucking ways. If 99.99% of Russian want to receive the respect they somehow think they're entitled to, they have to stop Putin. If they could do this before we have to fire nukes at them all, That Would Be Great.
Until then, fuck Russians.
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A majority of Russians agree with Putin, otherwise he wouldn't still be in power. They might be brainwashed or too scared to act, but no dictator can stay in power if people are against him.
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Because 99.99% of Russians don't have anything to do with Putin
Sorry, but the math here doesn't add up. You mean that Putin won his current presidency with 0.01% of the votes given? What an utterly bizarre voting system.
If you vote for Putin, you support his policies and therefore accept & deserve what you get.
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> You mean that Putin won his current presidency with 0.01% of the votes given? What an utterly bizarre voting system.
Here is a video explaining how voting works in Russia in case someone has not yet seen it:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts... [youtube.com]
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Their payments still clear.
Re:MS (Score:5, Interesting)
Why is MS operating at all in russia?
They are not. They stopped allowing new purchases from Russians back in 2023 and closed their offices there. Existing customers keep their current licenses but from what I understand they can't renew them. So all but 3 year commit 365 licenses should have run out by now. I assume this is people attending calls hosted by people outside Russia since they called out Teams and Zoom specifically and not full office suites.
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When I was still at Microsoft quite a few of the services and new offerings were actually geo-restricted so that you couldn't buy them in Russia (at least not easily).
"develop domestic software solutions" (Score:5, Funny)
I look forward to using Vladix in the near future, LOL.
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Yandex. It's already better than Google.
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Re: look forward to using Vladix (Score:1)
Nah, full of AI Trump porn.
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I look forward to using Vladix in the near future, LOL.
In Soviet Russia, Teams is used to message you. ... hmmm that actually is far more real than anywhere else.
soon Trump will say the same thing (Score:2)
just so we know the source when Trump says it
Also, didn't know Microsoft is a service. Maybe if Putin knew, he'd just say that Microsoft needs to be pushed out of a window, or sent to a Salvadoran prison.
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Trump went off script https://www.bbc.com/news/live/... [bbc.com]
Expect a 3am apology written in all caps soon.
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MS is a snoop & spam service which happens to also sell software.
Putin should be throttled in Russia. (Score:2)
Or anywhere really.
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Those who try seem to have problems working desk-chairs near windows.
Unlike here (Score:2)
This is similar to what the US is doing (Score:2)
Trump raises tariffs to "encourage" manufacturing to move to the US, I can't claim Putin invaded Ukraine to achieve the same end (moving the profits back "home") but he's thinking the same way. Maybe Russia will cooperate with China on this, China was practically forced to develop alternatives during Trump's previous presidency and they are a lot further along.
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it's been a while that china and russia and several other countries in the world cooperate, both to prosper as equals and to become resilient to the "global rule based order" where the bully can change the rules whenever it pleases. it's the west which is actually getting isolated, and that's been going on for a while now too, long before trump, he's just accelerating the process with his antics.
btw, his tariffs can't really be useful to encourage manufacturing to move to the us, not even if he didn't chang
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you mean just like a past and present of warfare and economic barriers? oh noes ...
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China isn't openly supporting its "best friend evar" because Europe and the US are too important to piss off too much.
It's only Russia, Iran and North Korea who are getting isolated.
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taurus can reach moscow and beyond, and can carry nuclear warheads. once in the air the russians would detect them pretty soon and would a) positively know that they were launched with direct german/us/nato involvement and b) would have no way of knowing what warheads they were carrying. oreshniks have at least ten times the range of taurus. oops.
don't be alarmed, though, nobody will launch a taurus. this is just merz trying to sabotage any potential deal with russia. because they are scared.
btw, i have to
I'm afraid ... (Score:2)
Those drones he's using against Ukraine might just turn around.
I actually agree with something Putin said! (Score:5, Insightful)
Let me preface this by saying I despise Putin, his aggression against Ukraine, and everything Putin stands for.
However, it is a fact that any non-US governments or non-US organizations relying on software produced by US-based companies )and especially services provided by US-based companies) are vulnerable.
Here is exhibit A [nltimes.nl] on how dangerous it is to rely on US-based companies nowadays. There's a good video [youtube.com] on this topic (unfortunately in Dutch, but it has subtitles and the auto-translation is quite good.)
Every government and organization outside the US should, as a matter of urgent risk mitigation, minimize its exposure to US-based software and services to the greatest possible extent.
Re: I actually agree with something Putin said! (Score:2)
must think in russian to use it as well (Score:2)
must think in russian to use it as well
Throttled (Score:5, Informative)
I hage resd his wordw in the original language, being fluent. What he said was literally throttled - as in murdered by asphyxiation, not throttled in the sense of slowed down as they already do with youtube.
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Yes, the word he used is usually translated as "choking someone" or "strangling someone".
It's call Linux (Score:3)
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Linux source is available, but there was a big purge of contributors with Russian affiliation. So in theory that's more throttled in the sense that they can't upstream convenience patches. For example, if Russia has to make it's own chips for something, network cards, or interfaces, getting the device patches would be more difficult. Is that a problem? Only one of convenience but at the speed of tech today, maybe a bigger one than it would have been years back.
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Feel free to come and retrain the 10k users for me on a gankier OS and even gankier tools. Go on. We can offer free coffee.
Linux is many things. Mouth-breather friendly it is not.
So now they're taking their cues from Trump? (Score:2)
Demonize random nations and their evil goods in order to encourage profits by your own big businesses? This never actually works, although that never stops people from trying. But, wouldn't you prefer that your own citizens suffer higher prices for the benefit of your own country's moguls?
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Why isn't Russia 'throttled' by the world ? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re: Why isn't Russia 'throttled' by the world ? (Score:3)
Dropping all the packets means that Russia doesnâ(TM)t have any contact with the outside world. Which is a boon to despotic regimes because alternative views aka âoethe truthâ gets throttled which only works to help keep whatever autocrat thatâ(TM)s there in power.
If you really want to kick Russia where it hurts donâ(TM)t buy any of their energy resources and work to bring down the price of what there is.
Sure, but he's still a dictator (Score:2)
Brick every that US companies control (Score:2)
At the beginning of the war I hoped that all US software would stop working in Russia. Not just clouds but all Windows devices, Apple, Android could have been bricked at a snap. The war would have ended very fast. (Granted, Russia can make things work again, but it would take time and lots of engineering effort.)
I was so naive.
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I am disappointed that there wasn't a more full throated initial response. Ukraine should have been given whatever it needed on day 0. The intelligence services new that the war was about the start.
Considering Putin's recent attack on Ukraine (Score:2)
Obligatory .... (Score:2)
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Cut them off⦠(Score:2)
But Kim Yong Un said (Score:2)
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In Russia (Score:2)
Hoping for malicous compliance by Microsoft... (Score:2)
What if MicroSoft would this week decide: "ok. As per your request: Throttle it is, no more windows OS for Russa based IPs!" ?
My mate Putin (Score:1)
I have an idea (Score:1)