
Peak Energy Ships America's First Grid-Scale Sodium-Ion Battery (electrek.co) 105
Longtime Slashdot reader AmiMoJo shares a report from Electrek: Peak Energy shipped out its first sodium-ion battery energy storage system, and the New York-based company says it's achieved a first in three ways: the US's first grid-scale sodium-ion battery storage system; the largest sodium-ion phosphate pyrophosphate (NFPP) battery system in the world; and the first megawatt-hour scale battery to run entirely on passive cooling -- no fans, pumps, or vents. That's significant because removing moving parts and ditching active cooling systems eliminates fire risk.
According to the Electric Power Research Institute, 89% of battery fires in the US trace back to thermal management issues. Peak's design doesn't have those issues because it doesn't have those systems. Instead, the 3.5 MWh system uses a patent-pending passive cooling architecture that's simpler, more reliable, and cheaper to run and maintain. The company says its technology slashes auxiliary power needs by up to 90%, saves about $1 million annually per gigawatt hour of storage, and cuts battery degradation by 33% over a 20-year lifespan. [...]
Peak is working with nine utility and independent power producer (IPP) customers on a shared pilot this summer. That deployment unlocks nearly 1 GWh of future commercial contracts now under negotiation. The company plans to ship hundreds of megawatt hours of its new system over the next two years, and it's building its first US cell factory, which is set to start production in 2026.
According to the Electric Power Research Institute, 89% of battery fires in the US trace back to thermal management issues. Peak's design doesn't have those issues because it doesn't have those systems. Instead, the 3.5 MWh system uses a patent-pending passive cooling architecture that's simpler, more reliable, and cheaper to run and maintain. The company says its technology slashes auxiliary power needs by up to 90%, saves about $1 million annually per gigawatt hour of storage, and cuts battery degradation by 33% over a 20-year lifespan. [...]
Peak is working with nine utility and independent power producer (IPP) customers on a shared pilot this summer. That deployment unlocks nearly 1 GWh of future commercial contracts now under negotiation. The company plans to ship hundreds of megawatt hours of its new system over the next two years, and it's building its first US cell factory, which is set to start production in 2026.
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Likewise, nuclear needs grid storage to overcome electrical demand's intermittency.
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Actually it's hours to days because nuclear must run as close as possible to 100% production 24/7 to be remotely cost-effective.
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Can confirm here in Arizona as well: Palo Verde has 3 units and one is shut down in April and another in November with downtime lasting up to a month depending on maintenence requirements. That is, unless something bad happens, each unit runs continuously for 18 months between refueling (which only takes a week--they have a pool next to the pressure vessel for spent fuel so no need to wait too long for short-lived isotopes to cool down) & maintenance.
Fun fact: there are pads for 3 more units (6 total) b
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Does that include the weeks when it gets shutdown for maintenance and refuelling?
How does any advocate for renewable energy over nuclear fission believe this is any kind of effective argument against nuclear power?
How often does solar power have outages? Every single day, as we kind of define loss of solar power as the end of every single day. Then is the matter that not all hours of the day are equal in how much sunlight is available, that gives us a capacity factor from solar somewhere around 25%. Nuclear power in the USA has a capacity factor more like 90%. France sees nuclear po
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It to highlight the fact that nuclear is not the 100% 24/7 operation you nuclear advocates like to think it is. You always fail to mention its challenges like maintenance/refuelling times, shutdowns due to extreme weather (hot and cold), "In France, state-controlled EDF's nuclear output dropped by 30% in 2022, to 279 TWh, as more than half of its 56 reactors were taken offline for repairs which had been delayed due to the Covid-19 pandemic. In addition, the 16 reactors most affected by stress corrosion issues (four N4-series 1450 MWe reactors and twelve P4-series 1300 MWe reactors) were identified, 10 of which have now been or are currently being repaired.". Construction of nuclear plants is often only feasible thanks to public subsidies that mitigate risk. Then that risk gets shifted back onto government (tax payers money) [governing.com].
Renewable advocates know the issues with intermittency and hence the growth in various storage solutions.
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It to highlight the fact that nuclear is not the 100% 24/7 operation you nuclear advocates like to think it is.
Nuclear is 24/7 for 18 straight months. You can like that is a bad thing. Meanwhile solar never can't get close to 24 hours and wind has gaps of weeks to months every year with little production.
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Good job, morons.
These batteries are great news, both for renewable energy and for nuclear. Don't be a douchebag.
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It to highlight the fact that nuclear is not the 100% 24/7 operation you nuclear advocates like to think it is.
Who is claiming nuclear power is 100% 24/7? Nobody.
In the USA we can expect 90%+ capacity factor from nuclear power. France can see more like 70% because their abundance of nuclear power requires some load following with nuclear power than leave that to fossil fuels, hydro, or whatever.
While no single reactor operates 100% 24/7 we can see that a nuclear power plant with multiple reactors is not likely to stop producing some power 24/7. The routine downtime for refuel and repair is staggered so the plant
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Then, why are you not happy about this development? It would seem it is a needed stepping stone toward your nuclear vision ?
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Moronic response. Nuclear only needs minutes of storage essentially for load balancing. Solar and wind need days to weeks of storage to overcome intermittency.
Existing nuclear facilities (especially PWR and BWR reactors) rely heavily on natural gas peaker plants or hydroelectric power precisely because they're slow as molasses when it comes to ramping output. The whole "nuclear only needs minutes of storage" line is a deliberately misleading dodge that conveniently omits that nuclear operators outsource short-term load balancing to quick-start fossil plants (hello natural gas!) or hydro reservoirs. Grid-scale batteries aren't just a renewable play; they're a dire
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I'm guessing you are employed by one of those fossil-fuel burning, carbon-spewing peaker plants.
That's a bad guess from an antinuclear idiot. The fossil fuel industry funded the antinuclear movement. Methane companies love renewables because they can charge peaking prices every night.
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Being opposed to uranium/plutonium fission reactors does not make one anti-nuclear. These things are like a cone balanced on its tip; always on the brink of falling over, always having to be actively prevented to do so. I want nuclear technology that is like a cone placed on its base; stable by design, and even passively resisting attempts to tip it over.
Such technologies exists, like molten-salt thorium reactors for example, but I'm sure there are others. I want more research money poured in those kinds of
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Minute of storage(nuclear) vs days of storage(solar and wind). Huge fucking difference. Why can't antinuclear people understand simple arithmetic?
You call people a moron (in your post below), and yet it is you who has not crunched the numbers. Also from your quote above:
Yet it is still a long way away from producing the TWh's the world would need to overcome solar and wind intermittency. So we need to build a nuclear baseload as well
And yet this guy at https://x.com/DavidOsmond8 [x.com], who has run the numbers, says national grids need just 5 hours of storage to buffer renewables to keep stability and meet demand. Not "days and weeks" of storage.
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We don't have a national grid DF. Building a national super grid would be more expensive and more time consuming than building a nuclear baseload. Papers similar to this rely on magical thinking to overcome real-world problems. We can't even get texas to connect their grid with other states, and you think we can build a national super grid?
And we need at least 12 hours to get through a windless night.
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intertia
Yes. Grid inertia is a major issue that often goes ignored by antinuclear dweebs. Most people are incapable of understanding the concept. In fact most people don't understand electricity. It's kind of crazy the number of people who think solar works at night. It would be funny if it weren't so sad.
Even though you point to the need for nuclear power in addition to wind and solar you should expect accusations of opposing renewable energy
I'm used to it at this point. It's really a form of psychological projection. They oppose nuclear so they assume we oppose solar and wind. The math is my side. All they have is lies and half-truths.
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Yet it is still a long way away from producing the TWh's the world would need
Well, we're not gonna run out of sodium.
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Unnh....there must be a reason Japan was researching whether uranium could profitably extracted from sea water. I believe that it was because decent ores for uranium were becoming scarce. (I used to know whether that was the reason they gave, but I can't certainly remember any longer....I think that was it though.)
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Nuclear fuel will last us for 4 billion years [whatisnuclear.com]. ... We have plenty of Uranium.
According to your link, that relies almost entirely on thorium, which is 400 times more abundant than U-235.
If we rely solely on uranium, we'll run out in only ten million years. Then what?
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And we're not going to run out of uranium anytime soon either
Uranium used to power nuclear reactors has to be processed. Uranium 235 used for fission reactors is less than 1% of naturally occurring Uranium which is 99% U-238. Fission grade uranium requires increasing U-235 to be concentrated to be at least 5%. While the world still has lots of U-238, it is running out of U-235.
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Google Integral Fast Rectors and breeder reactors. We have enough to power all of civilization for longer than the sun will be shinning.
Integral fast reactors [wikipedia.org]: "At present, there are no integral fast reactors in commercial operation . . ." So none exist.
Breeder reactor [wikipedia.org]: "There are only two commercially operating breeder reactors as of 2017: the BN-600 reactor, at 560 MWe, and the BN-800 reactor, at 880 MWe.". The BN-600 requires 17-26% U-235 as opposed to less than 5% most other reactors use. The BN-800 uses mixed uranium and plutonium to deplete weapons grade stockpile. But remember weapons grade plutonium requires uranium as the base m
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We built an IFR and tested in the 80's.. See Experimental Breeder Reactor 2.
I highlighted the important words for you. Your IFR was tested. Many of them have been tested. However since none of them are in commercial operation any savings of the uranium supply is hypothetical. There are also many prototypes of 100mpg car prototypes. None of them are in commercial operation; therefore, any gasoline/diesel savings have not been realized and may not be realized.
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AI generated preview...The Hornsdale Power Reserve (HPR) is known for its exceptionally fast response time, particularly in Frequency Control Ancillary Services (FCAS) markets. It can deliver power within milliseconds, significantly faster than traditional generators. For example, it can provide 100 MW of power in about 100 milliseconds. This rapid response is crucial for stabilizing the grid during fluctuations and preventing potential blackouts.
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Running entirely on chemical based systems best thing. The primary drawback is the response time of the system. Chemical battery discharge alone has a seconds-to-minutes response time.
That is a weird hot take because that's exactly wrong.
"A while ago Australia installed what was at the time the worlds biggest battery [cefc.com.au]. Not long after a coal fired generator dropped out, as in one cycle the are generating megawatts, the next cycle 50ms later it was gone. I'm not sure what your definition of "instantly" is, but to a computer and an inverter the 50ms AC cycle is an eternity. The battery was in another state, but it had no trouble carrying the load for it's neighbour for long enough for a gas fired plant to fire up. Trying doing that with spinning turbines." - https://news.slashdot.org/comm... [slashdot.org]
"the reaction speed of battery based storage systems is so insanely fast and powerful that the AMEO had to create a whole new market so the costs get accounted correctly for battery based systems. Previous FCAS (frequency control and ancillary services) billed in intervals of minutes because that's how existing systems operated. Batteries and their inverters however have shown to be able to resolve frequency deviations on the grid faster than systems could account for them. Originally a new market was created for FCAS to be billed in 6 second intervals, but even that was too slow for battery based systems, and last year AMEO raised a draft proposal to change that to either 1 second or 50millisecond." - https://news.slashdot.org/comm... [slashdot.org]
Hybrid systems using flywheels have low fire risk and have 250ms response times.
250ms is slooow compared to batteries.
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"A while ago Australia installed what was at the time the worlds biggest battery.
But that's also completely wrong, or rather people blindly reporting Musk's bullshit without bothering to fact check. It was the largest lithium battery at the time, not the largest battery.
At the time the time the "world's largest 129 MWh" battery was installed in 2017, there was already a bigger one (300MWh) running in Japan. But Musk said so so the press blindly parroted that shit ad nauseum.
Anyhoo just sayin' though you are of course correct that battery response is fast, and certainly not seconds to minutes. And the OP is also wrong about flywheels being slow (250ms). Much like batteries they run at the speed of the control electronics.
And of course the other kind of flywheel (generators or synchronous condensers) offer power within a fraction of a cycle, based on the phase difference, so also have a very very fast response time, combined with a silly amount of instantaneous power, though not significant energy storage beyond timescales of a few seconds.
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But that's also completely wrong, ,,,
At the time the time the "world's largest 129 MWh" battery was installed in 2017, there was already a bigger one (300MWh) running in Japan. But Musk said so so the press blindly parroted that shit ad nauseum.
Maybe you are right but I haven't looked at exactly what Musk said. However, I do however see a few possibilities that may explain the claim:
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From what I remember, Musk didn't outright lie, but he was cunning with his wording and definitely helped the press to publish falsehoods which made Musk's system seem much more revolutionary than it really was. I think if you dig out posts from 8 years, you will probably find me ranting about Musk and how is real skill was being, well, a slick salesman.
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Well there you go. This would explain why "ras" called it "the worlds biggest battery".
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Running entirely on chemical based systems best thing. The primary drawback is the response time of the system. Chemical battery discharge alone has a seconds-to-minutes response time.
Minutes is a little pessimistic. When I switch on my flashlight, it doesn't take minutes for response (light appears) to occur.
Capacitors intrinsically have sub-microsecond response time. So make a hybrid system: supercapacitors for the first few seconds, with batteries for the longer period fluctuations.
Re:Other systems still needed (Score:5, Informative)
Battery based systems have response times measured in cycles. I don't know where you get seconds to minutes response times - because that's the response time for hydroelectric and natural gas plants - minutes.
And typically that's been more than adequate for the grid - there is generally enough inertia in the system that sudden loads coming online will not cause problems for the few minutes it takes to bring a peaker plant online, or to bring up a hydro plant (hydro plants have immense inertia - it's really hard to slow down flowing water so a sudden load is met instantly with a water pressure increase).
A grid battery system that can react in milliseconds (which all battery systems can do - even the super basic UPS you can buy will react within 2 cycles (33ms or 40ms). Grid batteries are just grid forming inverters so they're able to react rapidly. It's all fully electronic so the longest delay is probably the time it takes for the contactors to close to connect the inverters to the battery.
And these are sodium ion batteries. Water-based chemistry, super cheap electrodes, and extremely safe. Sodium ion batteries do not have the same problem as lithium ion batteries of catching fire.
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Running entirely on chemical based systems [is not the] best thing. The primary drawback is the response time of the system. Chemical battery discharge alone has a seconds-to-minutes response time.
LOL
Yeah, because everyone knows the batteries in drones, EVs, and laptops take minutes to react to changing electrical needs. If you request a drone or EV to accelerate, you must plan minutes ahead of time for the chemical reactions to happen. Using a laptop is so frustrating because starting a graphical intensive task takes minutes to wait for the battery to build up the required power. /s
Perhaps you are confused about the seconds to minutes reaction time when looking at redox flow batteries.
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Chemical battery discharge alone has a seconds-to-minutes response time.
It's still early, but this is the stupidest thing I've read so far today.
Have you ever actually used a battery?
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Chemical battery discharge alone has a seconds-to-minutes response time.
What? I can assure that chemical battery discharge systems are not new. Hospitals have employed battery systems since forever. I personally have worked in multiple plants that that had emergency backup power based on batteries that go back decades. They switch over immediately with a secondary gas/diesel system that kicks in within minutes as the battery system was not designed to run the entire site for an extended period of time. This is system mentioned is a large scale system that can handle the entire
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Chemical battery discharge alone has a seconds-to-minutes response time.
Tell that to your car battery that goes from virtually 0 amps to 300+ amps basically instantly.
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It would be nice for homeowners to have batteries like these (albeit on a smaller scale) to cope with power outages and prevent brownout even when still reliant on grid power.
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I get the impression these kinds of batteries don't scale down well, making them impractical for backup power on a single family home. I can expect this to be useful for backup power to multiple family housing, neighborhoods, and so forth. Maybe we can have batteries like these at most every substation for backup power, phase and power factor correction, and other grid stability services. But then perhaps keeping so many things synchronized could pose new problems.
I've seen Tesla and other companies get
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"I get the impression these kinds of batteries don't scale down well"
Go look at the picture in TFA and note that it is literally 8 individual packs tall and 4 packs wide in a box.
1/8 of this thing could sit in your garage and power your house for a few days flat.
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I get the impression these kinds of batteries don't scale down well
Why? Sodium-ion batteries come in 18650 cells just like lithium-ion batteries but they don't match the capacity. However, the difference isn't so significant that you can't simply have a larger version of a Tesla Powerwall that has the same capacity.
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You would want pouch cells though. 18650 is just not very space efficient, and only really needed in some very specific applications. That's why most home batteries and most EVs are using pouch cells now.
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Who said you can't? Tesla Powerwall [tesla.com] is a battery system that you can buy.
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That's with lithium, not sodium.
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There are much better options that Tesla Powerwall though. Better capacity, lower price, better reliability.
Such small batteries don't usually need any active cooling either. There isn't much benefit moving to Sodium-Ion, LiFePo cells are cheaper and pretty much ideal for home use.
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Sodium-Ion should be cheaper and have a longer lifespan.
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Eventually, not today. Maybe not ever, it depends if the economies of scale are enough. A lot of tech has failed to catch on simply because lithium batteries got so cheap so fast.
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Yeah. I think the most likely outcome is that we see sodium used for some applications where a business looks at the cost over the long term, maintenance, that kind of thing. For home batteries people will be buying mostly B grade or used cells. B grade are already cheap and completely fine for that application, and reuse of used cells is ramping up.
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Why would someone use different batteries for a home than they would at a business? Homes burn power 24/7, just on a smaller scale. And homeowners in areas that are prone to blackouts/brownouts want uptime just as badly as any business. Plus homeowners that agree to use such batteries can work with utilities to charge during low utilization periods (ala PowerWall) to help with load balancing. Sodium-Ion is more appropriate for routine charge/discharge cycles over the longterm.
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Because home owners are more sensitive to up front costs. You can see it with lightbulbs. When LEDs first appeared and were expensive, consumers baulked at the idea of a 30 year bulb that cost 5x as much, but businesses could see the long term cost saving from the lower power consumption and reduced maintenance.
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I'd agree that cost is an issue for many home owners, but since Na+1 batteries are already cheaper they're going to be more desired. Na+1 batteries also can do more cycles than LFP, and they have a greater temperature operating range. That they're a little bigger is really the only negative I can think of. That being said, for every *house* I've ever lived in, I believe each one had the space somewhere for a battery so the larger size really isn't an issue. A couple of the houses may have needed for the bat
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Why would someone use different batteries for a home than they would at a business?
1. Cost: Generally home owners are buying something for less that a business could afford. 2. Space: Most home owners have limited space for installation of a battery bank where businesses may have space allocated for utilities. As a homeowner, lithium ion are a better fit for smaller spaces so they are more energy dense. 3. Regulations: Homeowners and businesses may have different regulations on what/how they can install battery banks. With homes generally install much smaller banks, they probably have mor
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Why would someone use different batteries for a home than they would at a business?
1. Cost: Generally home owners are buying something for less that a business could afford.
Since Na+1 batteries are already cheaper than LFP batteries, cost isn't a problem here.
2. Space: Most home owners have limited space for installation of a battery bank where businesses may have space allocated for utilities. As a homeowner, lithium ion are a better fit for smaller spaces so they are more energy dense.
For every *house* I've ever lived in, there has always been space for something like this. Think about the HVAC unit outside, we have room for that and a Na+1 battery isn't any bigger than that. Yes, you can install these batteries outside, but I'd think an awning over them would be a good idea (perhaps even required). Their larger operating range means they can live outside for most of the US.
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For every *house* I've ever lived in, there has always been space for something like this.
Perhaps maybe not everyone has space. Remember I said "home" not "house" as not everyone lives in a house. Even people who live in houses may not have the space. For example, apartments, condoes, townhomes, etc .Did you think about that?
Yes, you can install these batteries outside, but I'd think an awning over them would be a good idea (perhaps even required)
You can put these outside. Just like I could put my bedroom outside. Technically possible but a stupid idea.
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You need to go price some of this out then and you'll be surprised. I did that few days ago when I read this article elsewhere. The 13.5KW of LFP *batteries only* for a Tesla Powerwall is ~$10K. The same 13.5KW of Na+1 (sodium ion) is ~$6K. Yeah, you need controllers, enclosures, etc for a complete system, but the batteries alone are already show a good savings ... and that savings will only go up as manufacturing scales up. So yes, Na+1 is cheaper today.
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Good point. Should be less of an issue during a housefire or other disaster as well.
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Yeah, I'm aware of such products. Sodium-Ion promises to make storage batteries cheaper and more-reliable.
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What's the storage *density*? I have the impression that grid scale batteries often use (relatively) low density storage, so they take up a lot of space. Lithium batteries are relatively high density (lots of storage/volume). Dense storage is, of course, part of what makes them so dangerous when they catch fire.
Perhaps it you wanted this to last through a blackout you'd need to give up your basement, rather than just part of it as with lithium batteries.
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Any engineer who says "eliminates fire risk" about something like a grid scale battery is either incompetent or lying. If they were honest they would say something like "greatly reduces fire risk" instead. Everything burns and high power, ionized fluid and reactive metal containing components and conductors burn more readily than average, especially when heat and current are flowing through them. Try getting a copper wire not to burn at high temperatures with lots of current flowing through it outside of a vacuum sometime. Superconductors would not eliminate the fire risk in the battery cells or flow zones either - not even close - probably not even in a vacuum.
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Sodium ion batteries don't use sodium the same way lithium ion batteries use lithium.
And experience should tell you sodium ions are rather boring. After all, they're one of the fundamental ions used in cellular signalling, as well as in most of the water on this planet. And you often sprinkle sodium io
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And you wouldn't use loose 18650's, you'd use pouch cells inside brick chassis, but that's actually even more energy dense. So this is probably somewhat cheap and the lack of
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People can still build out wind and solar if they want. They might receive fewer subsidies.
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LOL at Republicans in Congress raising taxes on anyone. He'd lose a lot of support (conditionally) from his Reps and Senators in Texas, for example.
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No, they really couldn't.
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Indeed. Of course, the left has been salivating for a VAT for decades. Why not consider a tariff a VAT? Personally given out of control federal expenditure, taxes will rise.
"The Left", huh? Who exactly is "the Left"? Most people on the left hand side of the centre don't like VATs or GSTs (depending where you are) as they're regressive. They hurt the poorest people the most because they have to spend more of their income, they don't get the chance to invest it and let it grow.
Given Trump's "Big Beautiful Bill", expenditures (mainly tax cuts for the rich) will be paid for by cutting medical coverage for those worst off, and firing most of the experts in government positio
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The same left the right is always getting upset by - the ones in their heads.
They are beyond stupid at this point. I guess you have to invent your own reality if you don't want to admit that the person you're literally worshipping harder than God is a con man and a Nazi who buggers underage teens.
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Knew some ignorant AC would assume that anyone that dares disagree with them even a teenie tiny bit is MAGAT.
Tariffs are (presumably) already in place on plenty of polysilicon and finished panels since most of both come from China these days. If you want to go down that road, it only makes your initial comment look even more-idiotic if you're going to regard these as taxes on solar/wind since the tariffs are already in place. Though who knows where they'll be next week or next month (or even next year).
Bu
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Battery storage is required when even coal is offline for months of the year for maintenance.
e.g. here in Australia, AEMO uses Tesla batteries in SA and Victoria to mitigate summer blackouts, since all of our coal fired power is at least 4 decades old.
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Battery storage is required when even coal is offline for months of the year for maintenance.
I've yet to see any kind of battery storage intended to last more than a few hours. Are you implying a battery storage system to make up for losing a coal power plant going down for months? That's a crazy amount of energy storage that is not likely to ever have enough charge-discharge cycles to pay for itself. Batteries make money when it can maximize the price difference between energy when demand is low and when energy demand is high. The more batteries on the grid the smaller that differential. The
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With trump shutting down solar and wind, who needs battery storage?
Plenty of people could find this technology valuable. I suspect this isn't useful for vehicles as it sounds like it contains molten metals. That still leaves this as valuable for on site backup power for vital infrastructure like hospitals, first responders, prisons, airports, seaports, maybe space ports(?), military bases, water and other utilities, and certainly more.
Burn this shit down.
It appears this is quite fire resistant technology, so good luck with that.
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