


Researchers Map Where Solar Energy Delivers the Biggest Climate Payoff (rutgers.edu) 58
A Rutgers-led study using advanced computational modeling reveals that expanding solar power by just 15% could reduce U.S. carbon emissions by over 8.5 million metric tons annually, with the greatest benefits concentrated in specific regions like California, Texas, and the Southwest. The study has been published in Science Advances. From the report: The study quantified both immediate and delayed emissions reductions resulting from added solar generation. For example, the researchers found that in California, a 15% increase in solar power at noon was associated with a reduction of 147.18 metric tons of CO2 in the region in the first hour and 16.08 metric tons eight hours later.
The researchers said their methods provide a more nuanced understanding of system-level impacts from solar expansion than previous studies, pinpointing where the benefits of increased solar energy adoption could best be realized. In some areas, such as California, Florida, the mid-Atlantic, the Midwest, Texas and the Southwest, small increases in solar were estimated to deliver large CO2 reductions, while in others, such as New England, the central U.S., and Tennessee, impacts were found to be minimal -- even at much larger increases in solar generation.
In addition, the researchers said their study demonstrates the significant spillover effects solar adoption has on neighboring regions, highlighting the value of coordinated clean energy efforts. For example, a 15% increase in solar capacity in California was associated with a reduction of 913 and 1,942 metric tons of CO2 emissions per day in the northwest and southwest regions, respectively. "It was rewarding to see how advanced computational modeling can uncover not just the immediate, but also the delayed and far-reaching spillover effects of solar energy adoption," said the lead author Arpita Biswas, an assistant professor with the Department of Computer Science at the Rutgers School of Arts and Sciences. "From a computer science perspective, this study demonstrates the power of harnessing large-scale, high-resolution energy data to generate actionable insights. For policymakers and investors, it offers a roadmap for targeting solar investments where emissions reductions are most impactful and where solar energy infrastructure can yield the highest returns."
The researchers said their methods provide a more nuanced understanding of system-level impacts from solar expansion than previous studies, pinpointing where the benefits of increased solar energy adoption could best be realized. In some areas, such as California, Florida, the mid-Atlantic, the Midwest, Texas and the Southwest, small increases in solar were estimated to deliver large CO2 reductions, while in others, such as New England, the central U.S., and Tennessee, impacts were found to be minimal -- even at much larger increases in solar generation.
In addition, the researchers said their study demonstrates the significant spillover effects solar adoption has on neighboring regions, highlighting the value of coordinated clean energy efforts. For example, a 15% increase in solar capacity in California was associated with a reduction of 913 and 1,942 metric tons of CO2 emissions per day in the northwest and southwest regions, respectively. "It was rewarding to see how advanced computational modeling can uncover not just the immediate, but also the delayed and far-reaching spillover effects of solar energy adoption," said the lead author Arpita Biswas, an assistant professor with the Department of Computer Science at the Rutgers School of Arts and Sciences. "From a computer science perspective, this study demonstrates the power of harnessing large-scale, high-resolution energy data to generate actionable insights. For policymakers and investors, it offers a roadmap for targeting solar investments where emissions reductions are most impactful and where solar energy infrastructure can yield the highest returns."
2050 is right along the corner (Score:2)
Nothing which is needed for net zero by 2050 is wasted, because a little more or a little less emission savings in such a short timeframe are irrelevant. New England, the central U.S., and Tennessee need to get to net zero too a cross nation HVDC network making the whole US dependent on a couple southern states is probably not how those states want to get there.
So build more solar, build more electrolyzers, build more storage (straight hydrogen, or chemically stored in some other form) everywhere. That's ho
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Net zero by 2050 is a pipe dream in trumpistan.
Net zero by 2050 is a pipe dream everywhere.
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Societal collapse will get you pretty close.
Maybe 2050 is a bit optimistic/pessimistic, but we're going to be net zero in a couple decades one way or the other.
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Societal collapse will get you pretty close.
Maybe 2050 is a bit optimistic/pessimistic, but we're going to be net zero in a couple decades one way or the other.
I hate it when people like you agree with me on the imminent collapse of modern civilization. I'd rather have credible arguments that tell me how I'm wrong, and that the situation isn't as bad as I think it is.
Sadly, even societal collapse won't get us to net zero, because the survivors will still be burning every hydrocarbon in sight.
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There's not a lot of surface coal any more and the amount of oil which could be pumped in an apocalyptical situation is minimal. Deforestation is self limiting.
Technologically advanced civilisation is also a luxury. If WMD, or epidemic, or demographic collapse, or ecological collapse drag down supply chains with them, we'll get pretty close to net zero.
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Deforestation is self limiting for emissions. Chop more and there's less to chop.
I don't wish for collapse, I just expect it ... and not because of global warming.
Question: How much is Rutgers contributing? (Score:3)
We should be asking Rutgers "How much of Rutgers' $2.058 billion endowment has been spent on directly building solar panel farms and wind generation farms to reduce pollution in the last 5 years?" and follow it up with "What is Rutgers' going to spend directly building solar panel farms and wind generation farms in 2026?"
In favor of research, though at some point, part of the money spend researching climate change for 50 years should be spent on directly building solar panel farms, wind generation farms and
Who knew? (Score:5, Funny)
... that the payoff of solar energy would be greatest where there is most sunshine.
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Not as cut and dry as you think. Solar panels that are hot, become less effective in turning solar energy into electrical energy. Where I live in South America, in summer, temps can go to 50 C. During those days the efficiency of the panels on my roof drop as those panels easily hit temps between 80 C and 100 C. Sun here is strong. As in really strong. Sun tends to be everywhere close to the Equator.
And this drop in efficiency is definitely noticeable.
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So maximum solar energy increases panel output, but the higher temperatures reduce panel efficiency.
But lower temperatures are associated with lower solar energy, and lower panel output.
Are you arguing we're damned if we do, and damned if we don't? Or just that we need to discount PV panel output and not assume we will operate them very efficiently, more likely at a slightly lower output overall?
Notice not much discussion of nuclear... Cause that wrecks the environmental movement.
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The world is full of counterintuitive crap (Score:2)
They are also some serious questions about whether the cities in those low rainfall areas are going to be around in 20 to 50 years because they're
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... that the payoff of solar energy would be greatest where there is most sunshine.
Also, for context, the US emitted something like 4.8 billion tons of CO2 (in 2022) so this is a 0.17% reduction. I suppose that's not nothing but it's also not a huge dent.
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I just skimmed through the article. It seems entirely focused on CO2 emissions once the panels are deployed. It ignores the CO2 emitted building and deploying the panels. We really need to include that before deciding on future plans.
This means there are actually two scenarios to consider:
First, if we're deploying new panels to replace existing generation. The existing plants already exist the the emissions constructing them are a sunk cost. What matters is "how much will we emit moving forward?" (and over
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In many cases, solar energy is now cost-competitive with, or even cheaper than, electricity generated from fossil fuels, particularly when considering the levelized cost of electricity (LCOE).
Does the LCOE for solar account for the cost of the backup power that is required for periods when the solar facility is not producing power (i.e., night), or otherwise producing power well below the facility's rated output (i.e., overcast or when the sun is low in the sky)? Does the LCOE also account for the cost of maintaining generators with sufficient inertia to cope with sudden shifts in the amount of solar power being delivered to the grid to avoid situations such as the recent power outage affecting
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The nice thing about solar generation is that it more or less coincides with A/C usage. Nuclear can't ramp up and down so quickly, nor is it cost effective to even try. So solar power complements nuclear just as nuclear power complement
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Spain and the rest of the world runs most inverters as grid following. That's not down to cost, but down to planning.
There is nothing magical about mechanical inertia which makes it impossible to do it electronically. Material wise any existing grid following inverter can move power arbitrarily across a single cycle, that's just the nature of a bidirectional DC/AC convertor. It's relatively cheap to add enough storage to give an inverter the same time-constant inertia as generator too ... what is lacking ar
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There is nothing magical about mechanical inertia which makes it impossible to do it electronically.
To a point.
https://storelectric.com/net-z... [storelectric.com] (these people are selling something but their facts are valid)
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The advantage of distributed solar in a net zero situation is that it will always have sufficient backup for a blackstart ... no sun at night any way.
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PS. there are grid forming electronic statcoms in commercial service, that is a fact. It's complete fantasy that an electronic control system somehow couldn't respond fast enough to a fucking 60 Hz sine. Grid following systems obviously are dog slow, because they are designed to be. Grid forming ones are instant relative to 60 Hz, limited only by the self resonance of the gate drivers, a millisecond or so. A msec distortion on the sine at the source is not a spike, it's irrelevant, it will be low pass filte
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PS. there are grid forming electronic statcoms in commercial service, that is a fact. It's complete fantasy that an electronic control system somehow couldn't respond fast enough to a fucking 60 Hz sine.
Nobody said it couldn't. One day the grid will work that way. That day is not today, but I'm glad there are no caveats and it will be a trivial thing to do.
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Did they do similar studies, simulations, or whatever for other energy sources?
Yes, they do similar maps for wind, although it's trickier, since wind can vary widely with local topography.
If so then why no mention of them?
Can't study everything at the same time, the report would be ten thousand pages long and somebody would still say "but why didn't they study X?"
I'm getting the impression that lowering CO2 emissions doesn't rise to the same level of concern that it used to. What I'm seeing as a greater concern is energy costs. Can we run this mapping to optimize for lowest cost? Then maybe put some kind of dollar value to CO2 emissions, or some CO2 value to energy costs, to get a map that is some weighted average of the two?
CO2 emissions decrease equals the solar energy output times the carbon intensity of the power grid at that location (ie, how much CO2 is emitted per kilowatt-hour generated by the utility. Highest for coal, lowest for hydro.)
You could do price, but that can
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You could do price, but that can be changed by the regulators.
That's problematic, because it is also the most important thing.
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CO2 emissions decrease equals the solar energy output times the carbon intensity of the power grid at that location
No, they don't.
They decrease relative to the carbon density of the power alternative removed from the grid at that time and location. Those are different things. If the grid has a mixture of coal power and natural gas, its likely the solar will displace the natural gas. The coal plant will keep churning out the same baseline power and same amount of carbon emissions. Depending on the load demand at that time of day.
This reads like academic theorizing portrayed as real world results. The reality is that th
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Solar is special in that there are has almost no limits on cost cutting material wise. The only relevant cost to solar will soon be land and backup.
Solar+hydrogen or nuclear, those are the options. Everything else will be niche (including wind).
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Solar is special in that there are has almost no limits on cost cutting material wise.
I'd like to see where you got that idea.
From what I've seen solar power is the most material intensive energy sources per unit of energy or power. Maybe that leaves a lot of room for improvement but that is hardly where anyone would want to start. Given that we have wind, hydro, geothermal, and certainly nuclear fission, with lower material requirements then we can do plenty to reduce material costs without raising CO2 emissions by choosing other energy sources.
The only relevant cost to solar will soon be land and backup.
How much land does solar power take compared
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Then maybe put some kind of dollar value to CO2 emissions.
How about $10 million dollars per gram. If that isn't high enough to make zero emissions economic, then we can put some higher dollar value to them.
How about a...map? (Score:3)
Neither the article, nor the study itself, seems to have produced an actual map. Sure, there are charts and graphs, but they aren't that intuitive. A map would have been nice, since the headline seemed to promise one!
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Can't you picture in your head where Texas, California and the Southwest are on a map?
Are you perhaps like some other people out there in our nation that don't have a map? Perhaps you uh, believe that our education, like such as in South Africa and, uh, the Iraq, everywhere like such as, and that they should—our education over here in the U. S. should help the U. S., uh, or, should help South Africa and should help the Iraq, and the Asian countries, so we will be able to build up our future, for our c
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The map is figure S1 from the Supplemenyary material
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Figure S1 is indeed a map, but it shows only "Average hourly solar generation," not the relative "payoff" of that generation that was the conclusion of the study.
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Neither the article, nor the study itself, seems to have produced an actual map.
This is a good start: https://www.nrel.gov/gis/solar... [nrel.gov] . For CO2 emissions you have to multiply by the carbon emission of the power you're replacing.
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Yes, those are maps of solar energy generation and usage. The study, however, makes the claim that it mapped the places where solar energy had the biggest "climate payoff". None of the linked maps show that metric.
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I think this is a case of the headline versus the study. From what I could skim the authors and the study itself make no claim of making a map and even in the headline they are using the verb form of map, not the noun. I think there is information in the study on how to build a map but the authors did not do it.
Not surprised. (Score:2)
The southwestern quadrant of the continental USA has some of the best climate conditions in the world for solar power. Much of Australia and lands along the Mediterranean Sea are the same way. Indeed, that's why there are large solar farms in Spain itself.
Wait a minute. (Score:2)
Its not gonna happen. Not this century. The most powerful country in the world is fixated on promoting crypto. We used a frikkin military plane to deport a hundred immegal
Brakes? (Score:2)
Whatever effects the excess carbon is gonna have, is gonna hit us like a freight train where nobody bothered to apply the brakes.
We not only aren't applying the brakes, we have been accelerating. We measure our "progress" by how much less we are increasing our acceleration.
But I think that analogy reflects an intellectual flaw in our thinking. The problem is not our annual emissions. The problem is the continuing changes from the carbon already in the atmosphere. Any new emissions add to that problem, but reducing emissions doesn't really help solve it. We are still making things worse, just not as much worse.
Net zero just means w
Info/Data/Graphics here: (Score:2)
The study is for the US only, not globally.
Research paper: https://www.science.org/doi/10... [science.org]
Here is a bar graph showing the impacts of installing solar by region [githubusercontent.com].
Data/calculations repo to generate graphs: https://github.com/NSAPH-Proje... [github.com]
While, I'm a bit disjointed that they didn't bother to generate a map, I do understand why. Without having detailed information about the conditions in each county, their map could easily be used to misinform people in leadership positions or worse, used by people in leader
haha (Score:2)
Haha. Drops in the bucket.
Biggest Climate Payoff (Score:2)
Caymen Islands Stock Exchange
Does this take into account.... (Score:2)
Does this take into account the immense amount of energy demanded from AI companies?
I love stories like these (Score:2)
"Expanding solar power by just 15% could reduce U.S. carbon emissions by over 8.5 million metric tons annually."
they mix units so you can't realy tell what's being said; 15% expansion represents 8.5 million metric tons... What percentage is THAT? 2%? 15% 45%?
No way to tell.
It's sensational clickbait and utter BS writing.
yack!
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0.175%
In California, with 1.83 million tons emitted, the total drop of 2855 tons works out to 0.156%.
So that's what, 100:1? Seems like a lot of resources thrown at a pretty insignificant improvement.
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Exactly!
And exactly the reason for the mixed units... To obscure that value
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