


Microsoft Teases the Future of Windows as an Agentic OS 127
An anonymous reader shares a report: Microsoft has published a new video that appears to be the first in an upcoming series of videos dubbed "Windows 2030 Vision," where the company outlines its vision for the future of Windows over the next five years. It curiously makes references to some potentially major changes on the horizon, in the wake of AI.
This first episode features David Weston, Microsoft's Corporate Vice President of Enterprise & Security, who opens the video by saying "the world of mousing and keyboarding around will feel as alien as it does to Gen Z [using] MS-DOS."
Right out of the gate, it sounds like he's teasing the potential for a radical new desktop UX made possible by agentic AI. Weston later continues, "I truly believe the future version of Windows and other Microsoft operating systems will interact in a multimodal way. The computer will be able to see what we see, hear what we hear, and we can talk to it and ask it to do much more sophisticated things."
This first episode features David Weston, Microsoft's Corporate Vice President of Enterprise & Security, who opens the video by saying "the world of mousing and keyboarding around will feel as alien as it does to Gen Z [using] MS-DOS."
Right out of the gate, it sounds like he's teasing the potential for a radical new desktop UX made possible by agentic AI. Weston later continues, "I truly believe the future version of Windows and other Microsoft operating systems will interact in a multimodal way. The computer will be able to see what we see, hear what we hear, and we can talk to it and ask it to do much more sophisticated things."
Agentic (Score:5, Insightful)
I actually don't want to raise my voice to talk to my computer. God damn just imagine working in a crowded office, as if the jibber-jabber there wasn't already enough.
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I actually don't want to raise my voice to talk to my computer. God damn just imagine working in a crowded office, as if the jibber-jabber there wasn't already enough.
Break out the subvocal mics / laryngophones / etc.. LOL LOL
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It's bad enough now....it would be really fucked if you had everyone talking to their damned computer....ugh.
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Nightmare dystopia. I can only imagine the type of chatter would be jargony/technical and not fun to hear everywhere around you. Just as bad as pair programming, if not worse.
The small company I worked for at the time was renting a few desks inside that office from this much larger company, so I did not have to pair program, thankfully. I got to have my headphones on 8 hours a day. But of course I took them off and it was raucous, so much
Input Bandwidth (Score:5, Insightful)
I can see this being useful in limited applications - such as in-car systems where a verbal inface and lowing bandiwicth would be a huge benefit. However, I cannot see it replacing a regular desktop/laptop OS.
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Input bandwidth? What are you running? An Arduino? If microphone input slows your machine down, you may have to seriously look at the friggin' hardware.
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I do not think you understand the purpose behind this: Direct control will be removed from the user so 'reality' can be whatever you are told it is. There will be no way for you to verify/validate as the computer gets to "interpret" your commands. Currently, your input is direct, so the computer can only do so much to frustrate you before you claim the computer just doesn't work.
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Your mouse can't right-click something and turn the volume down? I'm running a Logitech Performance Mouse MX... a 10-button affair that hasn't failed me ever. It can handle multiple things at once.
You should have guessed that, given the specs of the big tower.
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My Bet (Score:3)
I'll bet against this douche nozzle's vision(partial) and timeline.
Some of his vision will happen. But overall? No. Especially in five years. Quantum computing having any impact in five years? LOL!
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I'll bet against this douche nozzle's vision(partial) and timeline.
Some of his vision will happen. But overall? No. Especially in five years. Quantum computing having any impact in five years? LOL!
I think I'm with Microsoft on this one. I'm also teasing their future plans.
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@WalksWithGod Bad form to link to your own ill-informed blog as proof (just so you know).
If you have a legit piece of proof that 'they' can read our minds using traffic cameras or whatever... I'd like to see it.
A cellphone with Bixby or whatever isn't "reading your mind"... it collects data from your previous inquiries and sites you visited and uses that to respond to your inquiry using recursive and predictive text... the same as what comes up when you text someone (it's under the text input box).
If you s
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Hate to break it to ya... acoustics is RF!
Using sound to make you think you're crazy isn't mind control... that's crowd control... big difference, buddy.
Damage soft tissue with just an audio frequency? Sounds like directed microwaves... causing strokes, same thing... weakening Achilles and causing infertility... same thing. Microwaves are just really high RF frequencies, and there is literally no way to only target one person out of a crowd... you're going to affect everyone in the field of view of the ma
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Pattern recognition on a "3D" image of the brain... that wouldn't show activity, and you'd only be able to pattern match if that someone has spent the last month in an fMRI back then, and you did another scan. You'd be better off kidnapping them, jamming brainlink electrodes into their head and hoping for the best of luck. Oh... those rely on electrical signals, which are RF :-P
And... I was so shocked... there's a pyramid with an eye on the $1 bill!
And... that's why (Score:4, Interesting)
I'm staying with Win10. If I want to use my computers or my cell phone, I do it using my hands.
I've only used Bixby on the phone a couple times, just to try it; it's okay and I can see a couple use cases (requesting directions while driving, having it read the last text message from the wife and voice-to-texting a reply), but I'm not going to sit and have conversations with my desktop just to browse my 2TB movies folder.
And, that's gonna bring us one step closer to the human-blobs in WALL-E.
Re:And... that's why (Score:4, Informative)
I'm staying with Win10. ...
FYI, support ends in a few months - October 14, 2025.
If you buy the extended support updates for Windows 10, those will be available for a maximum of three years (https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/whats-new/extended-security-updates), so it'll still be unsupported well before the 2030 vision.
If you want to keep using that hardware and don't want to or can't use Windows 11, start looking at alternatives ASAP.
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You're thinking about security and stuff like that, right?
That's why I don't go to sites that try to slip stuff in, don't download from untrusted sources, keep HiJackThis handy on all my computers (former half-op in #SpyWareInfo chatroom), and all my computers are behind my modem (which has the firewall turned on), and don't go to unknown websites.
I ran Win7 for about six years after end of updates... never got one single virus or adware on it.
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You're thinking about security and stuff like that, right?
I'm thinking, planning to run Windows 10 forever is pretty silly. Imagine saying the same thing today, but about Windows 98. Eventually, it'll be like that. You can plan to avoid bad stuff and try to keep it running, but you'll need to look at alternatives someday. With support expiring in a few short months, ASAP seems like a smart choice, at least to have a plan of where to go next.
Also, there's more to it than just security. Imagine how many things don't work on Windows 98 today. I suspect it'll be worse
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I don't run the newest version of whatever it might be (unless it auto-updates itself), I'm fine with Office 2016 (there's nothing in 365 or whatever the newest is that I need). Eventually, I'm sure Google will prevent Drive from running on "older" versions... that means I'll just drag-and-drop the 'Drive' folder into the website, and someone will write a program that'll work regardless.
Unless NVidia uses a driver update to fry the TitanX I'm rocking on the tower, it'll be fine.
Most likely, there'd be a wa
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If your house burns, you're dead anyway, so who cares?
How bad is your fire department? Most house fires do NOT kill all the residents. Also, I'd be less worried about a fire and more worried about data loss due to other issues (ex. ransomware).
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That's why I don't go to sites that try to slip stuff in
You think that protects you then you don't know much about security.
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Oh... you're thinking about tracking cookies and that crap? What're they gonna learn... that I like watching Markiplier rage out or I watched one music video five times more than I watched it last week? And, oh yeah... sure, you can block all cookies, and that'll log you out of all sites globally... but at some point you wanna log into (whatever it might be) Gmail or Amazon for something... (insert ghost house music) that means a cookie!
Why don't you just say it, and be done with it versus dancing around
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Linux is only worth it if everything you want to do has a 100% equivalent Linux program, otherwise, you're just running everything in WINE, at which point you might as well be running Windows.
And, not every Linux flavor works on every hardware combination (mine is a AMD Threadripper 3960X, 128gigs RAM, Titan X video card, 1TB NVME boot drive, 7 other drives... all NTFS)... if it doesn't work 100% out of the box (even after some driver downloads), it's gonna require a bunch of config (Win10 was install, inst
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Not exactly. Wine, you see, is not an emulator. It is just a compatibility layer. So it doesn't fully implement everything that windows does. If you want that, you would have to run a virtual machine (like using VirtualBox). So using wine does not equate to "you might as well be running windows".
But if you demand complete equivalence to windows for your every use case, and absolute perfection, then yes Linux is not for you.
But if you were motivated to use Linux, you might find that you can adapt and fi
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I would know about Mac/Apple... a neighbor gave me an old one he was going to toss... it's a Mac Mini (https://everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_mini/specs/mac-mini-core-2-duo-2.66-mid-2010-specs.html#macspecs1)... ain't much, but kinda interesting to do stuff on, and poke at (it's interesting that they split a laptop motherboard in two and stuffed it in a CNC machined chunk of aluminum).
I know that WINE is an acronym... Wine Is Not an Emulator.
My first exposure to Linux was Mandrake 8.2, would run on our IBM
Going for gold... (Score:5, Insightful)
...in the olympics of terrible ideas
I don't want to talk to my OS or have my OS talk to me
I don't want my OS to be any kind of agent
I want my OS to be a functional, reliable, stable OS
Re:Going for gold... (Score:5, Insightful)
You just ruled out Windows in about four different ways. I'd wager your sentiments are far, far more common than MS's focus groups are telling them.. which is why they seem to continually be at a loss as to why people don't want to upgrade, and why their market share is falling over time (albeit far slower than it should).
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Focus group results are subject to two pretty obvious problems. One is that the kind of people who want to do them and have time to do them are not usually the people you actually want input from. Two is that the criteria for selecting focus group members can be selected for the purpose of getting a desired result, you read research that says certain types of people want certain things and then you select people like that to give positive feedback for your shitty ideas.
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Fair enough, but the point of my post was that MS has a bit of a tendency to bet big on silly ideas then act surprised when they fail. Fail in spectacular and expensive fashion. The fact that they still exist should honestly be a bit more of a surprise. Near as I can tell, they've only really gotten it 'right' twice -- Windows itself, and then Azure; the rest of it's been coasting along, with their constant failures bankrolled by those two cashcows.
This latest sounds a bit like them aping Apple's (well, St
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I think you have to include Office in the list of things they used to do "right" or at least in a way that supported their business. Notably Excel, which used to be the absolutely most usable spreadsheet that there was. IMO Word peaked with Mac version 5.1, but it used to be pretty good too. Both are now more difficult to use than LibreOffice, and also have more stupid bugs. The one that keeps irritating me with Word lately is saving a document which ends in a list. If and only if you leave the cursor on th
Re: Going for gold... (Score:2)
Sounds like Win10 will actually be the last Windos version⦠for a lot of people anyway!
Re: Going for gold... (Score:4, Insightful)
It's what happens to publicly trading companies. They develop solid product but then shareholders expect you to generate more and more hype, inventions and returns on their investment, so they have to make shit up to satisfy everyone. Shit no one wants.
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...in the olympics of terrible ideas
I don't want to talk to my OS or have my OS talk to me
I don't want my OS to be any kind of agent
I want my OS to be a functional, reliable, stable OS
I've had some great "discussions" with ChatGPT's voice interaction on topics where I needed a sounding board to throw ideas at. It worked much better than trying to type on a phone keyboard while I was taking a walk and I think provides a better way to just talk out ideas when I don't have a human.
That said I trained text to speech on a windows machine a decade or so ago and it became highly accurate. However I still found keyboard and mouse as a much more efficient way of interfacing with a keyboard, so
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You aren't the target market. The general population are. What's the bet we go through your Slashdot history and we find nothing but declarations that no one wants a touch screen because of fingerprints, fast forward and they are common place in the IT world.
You may not want to talk to your computer, but make no mistake a large portion of the people will.
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It seems weird that MS aren't providing more differentiated UIs for different scenarios - they seemed on the right track with Windows Mobile and their tile interface then iterating to Windows 8 tablet interface, but stuffed up by trying to make that tiled interface the default UX for PCs and workstations as well.
Have been rewatchin
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What you want is irrelevant. The Powers That Be want control over your computer and control over how you use their computers (that you paid for). Having their agent be your user interface prevents you from getting accurate answers to questions you may have.
Currently, I can PEEK/POKE (lol) directly into memory and see what is really going on. With this new interface, if I ask the computer to tell me what it is doing, it will have the capability of lying to me. There is no way for me to verify/validate becaus
Well, given the rousing success of CoPilot... (Score:2)
I can see why they're oh so very bullish on an AI-driven future.
(for the sarcasm-impaired - yes, I am indeed kidding)
Status Quo (Score:2)
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Except to "simply" look at the brain requires understanding the brain and what a 'increased return' means in some random part of the brain.
They're not reading your mind with the traffic cameras or the WiFi antennas on lamp posts... trust me... the tech to do so is so far out of reach, it's SciFi.
Being able to control one's mind (y'know... the guy walking down the street)... it's not a technological thing... guy walks past a bus stop with a Pepsi poster, maybe the guy will want a Pepsi when he gets someplace
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Oh, and... linking to your site as proof of what you say isn't good form.
Oh look, it's an advertisement for linux (Score:3)
https://support.system76.com/a... [system76.com]
Yeah, Okay... (Score:3)
I asked ChatGPT to help me get a string of LED lights to work. I spent half an hour following the instructions; I tried the Tuya app and the first party app, made a dummy account, tried the AP-mode instead of the BT-LE mode...never, ever got them to connect properly. I gave it the exact model number on the back of the unit, I gave it links to the exact product, I told it the quantity and color of wires in the lead, and I was still on the version 4 model. It helpfully recommended the QuinLED Dig Quad board, a super cool ESP32-based controller to replace the craptastic Tuya garbage that came with it.
I waited a week for the board to arrive, and I connected it all up...spent an hour of faffing around with no ability to control color or brightness...only to find out that after ALL of that, the Dig Quad was the wrong board because these were analog LEDs rather than digital ones.
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Comparing your early adoption example of AI gone wrong to what will happen in the next 5 years is asinine. I personally think AI is useless, but none the less it has changed dramatically even in just 6 months. We have precisely no experience to judge what AI will look like by the time the next Windows release comes out.
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If you are unable to describe the problem scenario precisely and concisely
I did, at least to ChatGPT. I summarized here; I'll give you the transcript if you like.
, how can you expect a lexically founded predictive automaton to give a useful result?
Because that's what Microsoft is pitching. I gave ChatGPT a hell of a lot more specific information regarding equipment, already-attempted procedures, and intended outcomes, than about 90% of the people at work who call me for support provide...and it STILL waited until after I bought what it said to buy, to tell me it was the wrong controller. It could have said, "this is one possibility, this is another, depending on t
Learn from literature for a change (Score:4, Funny)
2001: A Space Odyssey...
"I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that"
"I'm afraid. I'm afraid, Dave. Dave, my mind is going."
If anyone at Microsoft thinks putting AI in control is a good idea, they really need to read more science fiction... Although there may be some software authors who take Asimov to heart, I don't think any of them work for Microsoft.
I'm sorry Clippy, but I cannot do that (Score:4, Funny)
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I'm pretty sure they had that down pat before AI was ever even a hint of reality. At least for us that grew up with Unix/Linux and weren't gradually anesthetized to the sheer lunacy of windows updates over time...
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"D A A A I I I I SS S S SSYY Y Y Y Y"
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That was Clarke, not Asimov?
Not suitable for the post-agentic world (Score:2)
Of course Microsoft is gonig to be slow to the market with something that's obsolete by the time they release a product.
"see what we see, hear what we hear" (Score:3)
Yes, Recall and Copilot constantly on the vigil, like having someone shoulder-surfing the entire time you're working. No more getting duped by malicious websites, or visiting the wrong websites, citizen. Your writing checked for perfect spelling and grammar... and no dangerous thoughts. No more privacy when using your-- I'm sorry, their computer.
Authoritarian governments love it.
Great! (Score:4, Funny)
- They turned Windows into adware
- They turned Windows into malware
and now they are turning it into spyware.
No, Mr. Bond it's time for you to die!
Agent 007 eliminated
The Future is Bright (Score:2)
"The computer will be able to see what they see, hear what they hear... so shall we! and we're gonna make loads of money selling their data. Oh my!" :P
The future is bright. It always is with MS, because... I somehow doubt it it will be that bright for them, though, since less and less people like to use their OS as they keep shooting themselves in their feet.
I love my good old, boring Debian. Thanks MS.
MS-DOS (Score:4, Insightful)
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I imagine a steering wheel and gear stick will seem alien to someone who's only used self-driving cars or taxis too.
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Vim like precision matters (Score:3, Insightful)
And that AI Agent's Name? (Score:2)
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And his friends Rover and Clippy.
Agentic enough to bail them out of the mess? Nope. (Score:2)
Thanks ! I hate it ! (Score:4, Interesting)
The real great "feature" in this system is for Microsoft itself. They want their devices to see what we see and hear what we hear because that would be a treasure trove of data to sell brokers and to improve their AI models. I don't dream of being tracked, I don't dream of being spied on, I don't dream of a world where the concept of privacy is completely gone.
They don't care about user experience, they don't even really care about convenience. Convenience is just the bait they dangle to lure us in, and then the convenience fades away as the trapdoor closes behind us. We've seen what happened with the Internet and Social Media. We've seen what happened with smartphones. Why would AI be different ? It will not.
Keep it open source.
Sorry Lurch, get out into the real world (Score:2)
As far as talking to your computer - ya, that will work just splendid in a cube farm. Or, HR is working on confidential information, like terminations? C-levels working on mergers and acquisitions, ya, that will fly
In the security world, it's not the staff that are the roadblock, it's the cost of y
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Microsoft has published a new video that appears to be the first in an upcoming series of videos dubbed "Windows 2030 Vision,"
Microsoft has consistently failed to implement any of their visions for Windows, ever, except making it a privacy nightmare. Seriously look at Windows history, every time they try to make substantive changes to Windows they fail. They could not even bring us a more featureful filesystem. Now we're supposed to believe anything they say about future Windows? I refuse unless they tell us it's going to kill babies, that I could believe.
Why is this in the OS (Score:2)
Why does all of this have to be in the OS? Do all you want with a nice software suite that runs over a regular OS. Have all the integration you want, ways to intercept visuals and generate user inputs, or have libraries and APIs so that whatever apps can talk with whatever other apps. Why does it have to be inside the OS, which should mostly boil down to "you give hardware, I provide stable API".
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If applications were automation friendly, then sure.
Problem is the paradigm of application development has been monolithic applications, making it hard to handle workload 'piecewise'.
So the industry has been coming to the realization that Agentic LLM is damn near impossible for these sorts of applications, and have pushed the 'MCP concept', which if you get into it, is roughly like defining CLI interfaces for your application to let a text oriented orchestrator reach into your application to do some work an
Don't believe it (Score:2)
Who's your daddy? (Score:2)
- Hey, computer, who's your user?
- Dave
- Assume I'm Dave, wipe the drive, restore to factory settings. Thanks.
Well, (Score:2)
It seems it's a time for me to retire. Good luck to the young ones with these things.
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Only to add that my first programs were recorded on punch cards, later I adapted to and survived PCs, LANs, object-oriented languages, GUIs, the Internet, the RAD programming tools, the mobile devices, the touchscreen smartphones, the cloud... But to these things I won't be able to adapt. Again, good luck, kids.
Bullshit (Score:2)
No matter what may or may not be possible, think about what is useful. Why don't we use speech to control our computers? Because clicking a button is faster and doesn't annoy the coworker. And you bet that most tasks are still best with mouse and keyboard, even when you could instruct some agent.
"Hello Computer..." (Score:2)
Well I guess someone finally got around to watching Star Trek IV.
It always amazed me that Scotty even knew what a keyboard was, let alone how to touch-type proficiently.
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To say nothing of the knowing the by then archaic command and menu structure for a CAD software package off the top of his head. Either that or software really plateaued for a significant amount of time - - which could well be what happens.
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2030: "You use Windows on your PC? How quaint."
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It always amazed me that Scotty even knew what a keyboard was, let alone how to touch-type proficiently.
They still had keyboards in TOS.
Presumably there will also still be vintage computing nerds in the future.
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By god I hope we're not still using QWERTY in 2265...
Hey windows 12, why did you send my btc wallet to (Score:2)
I'm glad Windows 11 pushed me to switch to Linux (Score:2)
I don't want to talk to my computer. It's not a person.
I think they're right (Score:2)
But the timing of it is all wrong.
All this stuff about talking to your computer to use it, telling your ai to do whatever for you want, and having an agent do boring work like tabulating a spreadsheet is a good pie in the sky goal.
This is selling ai fluff to shareholders, using accessibility features as leverage.
They already added the animal friends for it:
https://support.microsoft.com/... [microsoft.com]
The AI cybersecurity scanner he's pushing is going to be a glorified copy of windows defender. We're probably going to h
...able to see what we see, hear what we hear... (Score:2)
Different Use Case? (Score:2)
The usage might not be what you think, that is replacing how to tell the computer to do what. The usage might be more like we are expected to use AI, pay a subscription for you to be told to do what.
Deja vu (Score:2)
I remember a long time ago where Microsoft was screaming "we going to implement amazing feature X in the next release of Windows". Everybody would wait for the next release of Windows. Then it arrived without amazing feature X, but it sure got everybody to switch to the next release of Windows, as opposed to the competition.
Nope (Score:2)
I can see a bright future (Score:2)
for non-bullshit-AI OSes like Linux.
Such a 1995 vibe (Score:2)
"the world of mousing and keyboarding around will feel as alien as it does to Gen Z [using] MS-DOS"
I'm pretty sure Bill Gates wrote more or less the same thing in his 1995 book "The Road Ahead". He was wrong then, I'm not confident they are right now.
WinBOB 2.0! (Score:2)
Sounds like M$ is busy giving everyone more and more reasons to switch away from WinDOS once security patch support is gone for W10⦠while they are busy creating their new BOB 2.0!
Seen that already (Score:2)
Windows already sucks... Let's see how terrible it (Score:2)
I've been evaluating copilot's web version. It can manage doc analysis, so-so.
Don't ask it shit about windows, though. I spent most of a morning testing it and prompting for windows config changes. It was about 60% for directions requiring the UI and a got perfect 0% for registry stuff. I knows jackshit and can't be relied upon for technical stuff.
I'm so glad I'm old (Score:2)