Trump Ban on Wind Energy Permits 'Unlawful', Court Rules (bbc.com) 139
A January order blocking wind energy projects in America has now been vacated by a U.S. judge and declared unlawful, reports the Associated Press:
[Judge Saris of the U.S. district court for the district of Massachusetts] ruled in favor of a coalition of state attorneys general from 17 states and Washington DC, led by Letitia James, New York's attorney general, that challenged President Trump's day one order that paused leasing and permitting for wind energy projects... The coalition that opposed Trump's order argued that Trump does not have the authority to halt project permitting, and that doing so jeopardizes the states' economies, energy mix, public health and climate goals.
The coalition includes Arizona, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Illinois, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island, Washington state and Washington DC. They say they have invested hundreds of millions of dollars collectively to develop wind energy and even more on upgrading transmission lines to bring wind energy to the electrical grid...
Wind is the United States' largest source of renewable energy, providing about 10% of the electricity generated in the nation, according to the American Clean Power Association.
But the BBC quotes Timothy Fox, managing director at the Washington, DC-based research firm ClearView Energy Partners, as saying he doesn't expect the ruling to reinvigorate the industry: "It's more symbolic than substantive," he said. "All the court is saying is ... you need to go back to work and consider these applications. What does that really mean?" he said. Officials could still deny permits or bog applications down in lengthy reviews, he noted.
The coalition includes Arizona, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Illinois, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island, Washington state and Washington DC. They say they have invested hundreds of millions of dollars collectively to develop wind energy and even more on upgrading transmission lines to bring wind energy to the electrical grid...
Wind is the United States' largest source of renewable energy, providing about 10% of the electricity generated in the nation, according to the American Clean Power Association.
But the BBC quotes Timothy Fox, managing director at the Washington, DC-based research firm ClearView Energy Partners, as saying he doesn't expect the ruling to reinvigorate the industry: "It's more symbolic than substantive," he said. "All the court is saying is ... you need to go back to work and consider these applications. What does that really mean?" he said. Officials could still deny permits or bog applications down in lengthy reviews, he noted.
Well, what a surprise. (Score:5, Insightful)
The candidate-king of trumpistan and his electorate don't care about law and order?
Wow.
Who'd have thunk it, given the experience so far - him legitimizing blatant corruption, the numerous violations of the laws and the constitution by his minions and the well-known attempts to gain/keep power by gerrymandering and outright coup attempts.
I'm so surprised, really.
Re: Well, what a surprise. (Score:5, Interesting)
Can someone calculate how much Trump cost american taxpayers with all these judicial processes? Must be into billions by now...not quite saving money, are we?
Re: Well, what a surprise. (Score:4, Insightful)
President Newsom will make sure he is prosecuted at both state and federal levels and his entire family and administration will wind up in prison, probably for life. If not federal 'pound me in the ass' prison, then a California supermax.
An example must be made of anyone that tries to turn the presidency into a monarchy.
Re: Well, what a surprise. (Score:2)
Every time he pardons someone, all the money that was spent on arresting and prosecuting that person was completely wasted. It absolutely is into the billions at this point.
It's about two billion just for fines that will no longer be paid.
Re: Well, what a surprise. (Score:4, Insightful)
Every time he pardons someone, all the money that was spent on arresting and prosecuting that person was completely wasted. It absolutely is into the billions at this point. President Newsom will make sure he is prosecuted at both state and federal levels and his entire family and administration will wind up in prison, probably for life. If not federal 'pound me in the ass' prison, then a California supermax. An example must be made of anyone that tries to turn the presidency into a monarchy.
I call bullshit. The Democrats traditionally pull their own hand when it comes to setting an example. They don't want to see "the other side" use the precedent of prosecuting outgoing administrations if they set it by prosecuting outgoing administrations. I look for Donald to see a lot of written histories released about his time in office condemning him, but I highly doubt we'll see any actual legal moves against him or his people. Perhaps a sternly worded letter of intent, stating that he'd best keep away from the wheels of government in the future, but I don't believe any Democrat, even those ramped up and steeped in rhetoric today, will actually go after Trump if he can be removed from office when his time is up.
The Democrats excel at two things:
1. Saying the right things.
2. Preventing themselves from doing those right things once given the opportunity. Perhaps, with the added point of making up incredible excuses why it was infeasible to even try to do the right things to begin with, and that anyone believing them must be some level of insane to have done so.
I'm not saying they're as corrupt and shitty as the Republicans have become, but it's not like they're paragons of virtue themselves. And believing any of them will actually prosecute the current regime is ignoring the entire modern history of the party and its movements once in power.
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I'm not saying they're as corrupt and shitty as the Republicans have become, but it's not like they're paragons of virtue themselves. And believing any of them will actually prosecute the current regime is ignoring the entire modern history of the party and its movements once in power.
I think the term you're looking for is "Corporate Democrat", and I completely agree.
Even though the term "socialism" is still almost poison in most of US politics, I think we need to embrace "social Democrat" to make clear the difference between status quo corporate Democrats and people advocating more of the progressive ideas of the early-mid 1900s and places like the Nordic countries. With some effort I think control of "socialism" as a damning label can be wretched away from the conservative pundits and
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I'm not saying they're as corrupt and shitty as the Republicans have become, but it's not like they're paragons of virtue themselves. And believing any of them will actually prosecute the current regime is ignoring the entire modern history of the party and its movements once in power.
I think the term you're looking for is "Corporate Democrat", and I completely agree.
Even though the term "socialism" is still almost poison in most of US politics, I think we need to embrace "social Democrat" to make clear the difference between status quo corporate Democrats and people advocating more of the progressive ideas of the early-mid 1900s and places like the Nordic countries. With some effort I think control of "socialism" as a damning label can be wretched away from the conservative pundits and restored to have legitimate meaning in the political discussion. Bernie Sanders made decent progress on this all by himself, and probably would have succeeded if he'd been selected as the Democratic nominee.
Even if someone disagrees with it, at least disagree on rational grounds.
You've got more faith in the current political landscape than I do if you think you can somehow shoehorn in "rational grounds" when it comes to any form of discussion around labels. Especially labels like "social" in the "Social Democrat" meaning. This country is filled with irrationality and the politicians have all learned to play to that irrationality for votes. Or at least for "engagement."
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Re: Well, what a surprise. (Score:4, Informative)
Trump is going to be like Brexit. You can make some calculations, and the numbers are eye watering, but the true cost is much higher. The decline of a nation, the loss of soft power, the social problems and the lives permanently blighted by it.
Re: Well, what a surprise. (Score:5, Interesting)
It was always a delay tactic and a signal that the government tap for wind projects had run dry, a forcing function meant to redirect dollars to nuclear. Nobody, Trump included, expected it would stand. And he got almost a year of what he wanted while it wound through the courts.
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Re:Well, what a surprise. (Score:5, Insightful)
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do you have any objective evidence that the nation's Red Voters regret the outcome of the election?
Search for Trumps approval ratings, apparently Ohio and Iowa now have net negative scores, and Trump has the lowest approval rating of any president at this point of term. You could look at the result of other elections for more objectivity, even in Miami the Trump backed mayor lost to the Dems.
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we can just be patient and wait for him to inevitably fade like a fart in the wind
He is just a symptom, and a recent one at that. Him dying will not solve anything as the infrastructure which brought him to us is still there and waiting to foist someone else upon us. This isn't about him, he is a just a useless fool who is easy to manipulate.
Re: Well, what a surprise. (Score:2)
Why don't y'all secede and leave Donnie to his hermit duchy of Florida?
There is no legal mechanism for a state to leave the Union. Whether this was an oversight by the framers or intentional is left to the reader.
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There is no legal mechanism for a state to leave the Union.
There's Constitutional Amendment as a mechanism. High bar but if enough other States agree, an Amendment stating State X is no longer part of the Union, that State has left.
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There is no legal mechanism for a state to leave the Union.
There's Constitutional Amendment as a mechanism. High bar but if enough other States agree, an Amendment stating State X is no longer part of the Union, that State has left.
This makes me wonder what would happen if the secession ammendment were later repealed by the remaining states. I guess it would be tantamount to a declaration of war at that point, like Putin deciding Ukraine is suddenly part of Russia again, but if done by a constitutional convention it would circumvent the fact that only Congress can declare war.
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Ukraine is not a good example because Russia still recognizes Ukraine as a separate country. North / South Korea and Peoples / Republic of China are better, though in neither case did any government recognize their opponent as sovereign, so they're all technically still in states of civil war.
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There was no EU provision for Brexit, either.
Article 50 of the Treaty of the EU has been the provision for withdrawal ever since there was a Treaty of the EU. Brexitannia chose to exercise it and left the Union in 2020 to a smashing success as evidenced by the prosperity that has enveloped that country since then.
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You mean ship him and his whole crew down there, then have Bugs Bunny cut off the state? Sounds good to me.
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DOGE for courts (Score:5, Interesting)
Have they started creating a standard template yet in the name of reducing cost? It could look something like this:
Trump {insert thing Trump did} is unlawful and against the constitution as can be seen by any idiot who has finished school. We therefore find in favour of {insert plaintiff's name}.
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Re: DOGE for courts (Score:2)
Welcome to the ugly side of bureaucracy: a sitting president can delay an industry or disfavored group long enough to crash their financial position and kill investment. Even though wind projects can continue, who would be crazy enough to build one now? Do they think the other federal roadblocks will be easier?
Re:DOGE for courts (Score:4, Insightful)
Yeah. Iâ(TM)m irritated at the arrogance of Trump. But Iâ(TM)m far more irritated with the blind fucking incompetence of American voters who created President Trump. Out of necessity.
Do please shut the fuck up, liar. Nobody who believes the second thing believes the first thing.
Re:DOGE for courts (Score:5, Informative)
If you’d like to see the actual corruption that lead up to this, ask yourself why (insert thing Biden did) was never questioned like that.
Probably because {insert thing Biden did} wasn't obviously illegal to any idiot who went through grade school. Your false equivalence demonstrates that the no-child left behind act once again failed a generation. So really you can blame Bush for that thing you think Biden did.
Re: DOGE for courts (Score:2)
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theyre a god damned american patriot is what they are
maga == subverting american values and attempting to destroy the nation from within
Re:DOGE for courts (Score:4, Insightful)
Re: DOGE for courts (Score:2)
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illegally banned
That's every gun law. But there's no "shall not infringe upon solar and wind rights"
But you leftoids don't follow reason so what's logic mean anyways. Liberal activist judges just rule then come up with any rationale that'll hold water.
When it comes to gun rights, I'm personally in favor of a strict originalist interpretation of the second amendment based on how someone in that time would interpret it, just like the right end of the Supreme Court claims to believe in.
You have the right to own and bear as many muskets and flintlock pistols as you want, so long as they are for use as part of a militia to defend the country.
Wait, what? You think the right to bear arms grants you the right to a fully automatic assault rifle of the sort that
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And do keep in mind that the AR-15 was designed for civilian use, but it was so
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The intent also was not to have a standing army as a standing army would lead to tyranny, making the militia that more important.
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The intent was for everyone to have access to military-grade weapons so that they could form militias. Early drafts specified they be the same sort of guns used in the Revolution, but that was removed, apparently for futureproofing.
There was a separate law passed in 1792 that defined what weapons should be available for people in a militia, but I can't find any evidence that the second amendment ever did that. It was based around similar laws in other states and in England, none of which specified such things, so it would be very surprising if they had considered doing so.
So, I wouldn't be surprised if the founders would have included select-fire (what you called automatic) rifles, had they known they would exist, as that's what you'd want your militia trained on.
Even if we assume that the intent was to protect the right to bear all future military-grade weapons, it was still intended for forming militias for the defense of
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And again, citizens cannot form a militia if they do not have weapons and the knowledge of how to use them. Obviously, they should be stored in citizen's homes! Do you think that the Minutemen rode into town to visit the local armory? No, they already had their weapons ready.
The whole point is that you have a gun, you know how to use it, and if the s-t hits the fan you can grab it and go.
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That's every gun law.
Is it though? I mean the laws to date have all been upheld in the supreme court. Turns out in the real world laws are not decided by your feelings but by a process outlined in the same document you are complaining about. But let me guess, the only line of the constitution you've read is the 2nd amendment, and even then you simply skim-read it.
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"Biden granted more oil and gas drilling permits than Trump"
https://www.yahoo.com/news/bid... [yahoo.com]
> Can't make this shit up. ...
Yet you do make shit up, all the fucking time. But hey, attention is attention
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Does that also apply to Biden shutting down the Canadian oil pipeline and freezing out new drilling and exploration and cancelling existing already issued permits?
Typical 2025 slashdot posting template:
Trump does $thing: worst thing ever, clear constitutional violation! Corruption! Orange Man Bad! +5 informative!
Biden does exact same $thing: brilliant! Saving the world one step at a time! Good honest Joe! +5 informative!
Can't make this shit up. No point in making a joke, the fruit isn't hanging low, it's on the ground.
Hobby needed (Score:3)
Re:Hobby needed (Score:5, Insightful)
This is his hobby. Think of it as the rich arsehole's coal rolling.
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Re:Hobby needed (Score:5, Informative)
This is his hobby. Think of it as the rich arsehole's coal rolling.
This is his vocation. Think of it as him paying back Putin for leading Russia to bank with him after it came out that he defrauded Deutsche Bank, which he will continue to do if he doesn't want him to release all the information on him Russia got from Epstein [politico.com].
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Krikey - all the old yarns rolled into one. You need psychiatric help.
What I need is for enemies and traitors to receive the prescribed legal penalties. My statement is well-supported. And traitors are well-supported by the neck until dead.
Re: Hobby needed (Score:2)
Make a specific objection or fuck off with your vagueposting.
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No.
And why are you clinging to the thoroughly debunked Russi
Re:Hobby needed (Score:5, Funny)
Trump blocked wind energy projects? He really should find a hobby.
Honestly I'm surprised. With the amount of hot air he and his administration generate there should be turbines at the White House ... :-)
Re:Hobby needed (Score:5, Insightful)
Trump is deeply malicious. Harming others is his hobby. All the better when his victims are even dumber than he is and do not understand what is being done to them. This group seems to comprise about 30% of the voter population.
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This group seems to comprise about 30% of the voter population.
I'd say it's more, because it's some significant percentage of nonvoters as well.
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No argument.
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at the judge understands (Score:5, Insightful)
'"It's more symbolic than substantive," he said. "All the court is saying is ... you need to go back to work and consider these applications..."'
No, the judge is saying a lot more. The executive order froze all existing permits, it did not merely halt consideration of new ones.
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"What does that really mean?" he said. Officials could still deny permits or bog applications down in lengthy reviews, he noted."
Please don't act surprised. This is what Obama and Biden did with projects and permits they didn't like.
New oil and mining permits were pretty much halted.
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New oil and mining permits were pretty much halted.
This is of course false. Obama cut the number of approved permits about in half. While this is a very steep reduction, you are overstating the case by approximately 100%. Meanwhile, Biden issued more permits than did Trump [biologicaldiversity.org].
You are a liar. Please fuck off with your lies.
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New oil and mining permits were pretty much halted.
This is an often-repeated rumor but the numbers say otherwise. The claim's origin is that Biden made a policy of not granting any new oil drilling licenses on federal land. But that didn't really change anything since there are plenty of wells, and it is difficult to open new wells on undeveloped federal land since it involves building roads, seeking permits, etc. Offshore drilling is generally easier, and we have a glut of offshore drilling wells that are still full.
The number of new licenses issued didn
94% of Trump's cases lose in lower courts (Score:5, Insightful)
The system of checks and balances designed to protect you have failed. All of them.
I don't care what your politics are, that is not going to end well for you. If you are old maybe you will die before the blowback hits you. If not, buckle up buttercup.
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And 94% of them are overturned in favor of Trump when they get to the Supreme court, usually on the shadow docket with absolutely no reason given.
The system of checks and balances designed to protect you have failed. All of them.
The lower courts getting overturned by a higher court is part of that system of checks and balances. Many people think it's the lower courts that are failing.
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And 94% of them are overturned in favor of Trump when they get to the Supreme court, usually on the shadow docket with absolutely no reason given. The system of checks and balances designed to protect you have failed. All of them.
The lower courts getting overturned by a higher court is part of that system of checks and balances. Many people think it's the lower courts that are failing.
Many of the lower court decisions seem pretty solid, reasonable and thought-out, but SCOTUS, especially Justices Alito and Thomas, is seemingly just making stuff up, or misinterpreting things from Medieval England, to support their agendas.
Alito's Roe attack betrays a medieval ignorance of ancient history [nbcnews.com]
Google: alito medieval england roe [google.com]
Many of their rulings that specifically favored Trump seem like stretches, like the near-total immunity for the President and limiting the application of the insurre
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And 94% of them are overturned in favor of Trump when they get to the Supreme court, usually on the shadow docket with absolutely no reason given.
The system of checks and balances designed to protect you have failed. All of them.
The lower courts getting overturned by a higher court is part of that system of checks and balances. Many people think it's the lower courts that are failing.
Many of the lower court decisions seem pretty solid, reasonable and thought-out, but SCOTUS, especially Justices Alito and Thomas, is seemingly just making stuff up, or misinterpreting things from Medieval England, to support their agendas.
And I think it's the other way around, the lower court rulings have often been completely baseless, which is why they are being stayed and overturned by higher courts often before it gets to the Supreme Court. As for the Supreme Court, to me Justice Ketanji Brown-Jackson's opinions are embarrassingly bad even to Sotomayor and Kagan.
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Seriously, you keep building straw men in your mind, and it isn't doing you any good. Are you any happier because you've imagined even worse attributes to assign to people you disagree with? Is your daily life be
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And 94% of them are overturned in favor of Trump when they get to the Supreme court, usually on the shadow docket with absolutely no reason given.
This really isn't accurate. Yes, SCOTUS has stayed a lot of injunctions, but I think most of the rulings on the merits -- where they actually do have to give some plausible reasoning -- will go the other way. I think the Roberts court wants to give Trump his way on basically everything, and I think they'll employ a lot of very twisty logic to justify what they can, issuing a lot of bad ruling along the way, but most of his actions are so wrong that they'll ultimately have to shut them down.
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Offshore wind is expensive and unpopular energy (Score:2)
The Trump order blocked offshore wind projects. These projects can only be viable if they have high subsidies and guaranteed high rates for the energy produced. It's also very unpopular with state residents and environmentalists. This court ruling will not change the economics that have caused multiple companies to walk away from these projects before the Trump Administration, for example: https://us.orsted.com/news-arc... [orsted.com]
This explains it in detail: https://www.cato.org/blog/unpa... [cato.org]
Save the Whales!!! (Score:2)
It's so weird that when I was a kid the Left had "Save the Whales!!" bumper stickers and now it's the Right-Conservationists.
They even dedicated Star Trek IV to the cause.
Maybe if the whale killers get reinstated we'll at least get case law to prohibit permitting denials for Integral Fast Reactors and that can at least clean up the Boomers' nuclear waste to protect the ecosystem long term.
led by Letitia James, New York's AG (Score:2)
That's gotta really torque Trump off. :-)
"It's more symbolic than substantive," he said. "All the court is saying is ... you need to go back to work and consider these applications. What does that really mean?" he said. Officials could still deny permits or bog applications down in lengthy reviews, he noted.
Sure, but companies only have to wait 3 more years ...
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Re:Dear president trump (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm pretty sure cats are more deadly than trees
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Re:Dear president trump (Score:5, Insightful)
Simply add a clause to the permit language that prohibits the killing of avian species.
If we add that language to all permit applications then nobody will ever be able to build anything, which fits in nicely with Putin's goal of destroying America, which is what he did business with Trump for. If you support this, you are an enemy of the United States. If you are also a citizen, you are a traitor. If not, any American who provides you aid and comfort is one.
But more relevantly here, doing something like that would simply be an end run around the law and equally as illegal. Judges aren't as stupid as you seem to think they are. Most people who think judges are stupid are very, very stupid.
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You have a weird hangup with Putin.
You have a weird hardon for Putin. You've come to defend him in multiple comments here. Why?
He is merely the annoying dictator of a medium size oil company with an army.
You don't seem to know what the word "merely" means.
Russia can only wage war successfully against very minor war lords.
That's accurate about Russia by itself, and it's why Putin is trying to build a new Soviet Union in his own image. It's also why they are attacking Ukraine. Ukraine was one of the most important Soviet states, responsible for much of the nuclear program and space program (which is also part of the nuclear weapons program obviously) as well as a very large percentage
Re: Dear president trump (Score:2)
What you are suggesting is a law. The executive branch does not have that power.
It goes to show why you Trump idiots never see anything wrong with what he does. You do not understand basic civics.
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I agree. Now go sell your car and hand in your drivers license. Also tear down your house. Buildings followed by cars are the number one and two biggest killers of birds by an order of magnitude.
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And in the real world, wind-power does not actually kill birds: https://tethys.pnnl.gov/public... [pnnl.gov]
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I guess we can't have buildings then either, since they kill about a billion birds a year. https://www.fws.gov/story/thre... [fws.gov].
Re:Dear president trump (Score:5, Informative)
All these green contraptions and inventions mostly are bogus, because producing them negates the benefits.
Basically, not true. There is, of course, an energy cost to making pretty much anything. Cars. Your shirt. A solar panel. But that cost is a one time cost.
Burning fuel to produce energy, on the other hand, incurs a continuous cost. Every day-- every second-- you are making energy, you must keep burning fuel. This results in a cumulative cost. Cumulative costs overwhelm the one-time cost.
And... the cost of making solar panels, and for that matter wind turbines, keeps getting cheaper as the manufacturing technology gets better. And, yes, that includes the energy cost.
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How much environmental cost does making a factory have? All that steel, concrete etc, gets forgotten if the factory cranks out windmills or solar panels. How about all the inputs to make the product?
Here you are pretending that only windmills or solar panels are made in factories which have attendant environmental costs. Only a complete clown would believe this. I don't think you are that stupid, though. I think you are a troll.
If I'm wrong, and you are merely stupid, feel free to point that out, but those are the only available options.
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Nobody can be this extremely dumb. But I have trouble understanding your satire. Can you explain?
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Whites need to be replaced because they are shitty and disingenuous stewards. White people invented racism to justify shitting all over everyone and everything they care about. You decided to be an existential threat to life itself and then cry about people wanting to replace you. White people doing white people things.
LOL I bet drinkypoo is a self hating albino.
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Go anywhere, literally anywhere else on earth and youÃ(TM)ll find out that racism is much worse and no one is even bothering to fight it. [...] What will really burn your grits is the fact that this attempt is based in a Christian anthropology
Christianity has always been racist. Otherwise the Christians could have just been Jews, which would actually make since since "Jesus" "said" "he" came not to replace "God"s laws, but to confirm them. Christians are just lazy-ass Jews.
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Christians are just lazy-ass Jews.
Whites need to be replaced because they are shitty and disingenuous stewards. White people invented racism to justify shitting all over everyone and everything they care about.
You seem to harbor deeply seated prejudices against people of certain ethnicities and religions. Do you consider yourself a racist?
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You seem to harbor deeply seated prejudices against people of certain ethnicities and religions. Do you consider yourself a racist?
White is not an ethnicity, it is an entire bundle of ethnicities. However, what all of them have in common is that they have made common cause in at least some periods to promote white supremacy. That's why the "racial" category of "white" exists when there is not one kind of pale-skinned people.
I am not prejudiced against some religions, I am prejudiced against all religions. I'll reconsider that when just a single religion provides some concrete evidence for its magical claims.
Racism was (again) literally
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White is not an ethnicity, it is an entire bundle of ethnicities. However, what all of them have in common
I will take this statement as a yes you in fact harbor deeply seated prejudices against entire groups of people.
I am not prejudiced against some religions, I am prejudiced against all religions. I'll reconsider that when just a single religion provides some concrete evidence for its magical claims.
The issue at hand has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not religions are fairy tales. The issue is your assertion "Christians are just lazy-ass Jews."
Racism was (again) literally invented by white people to justify abuse of brown people including slavery, rape, theft, genocide and so on,
Humanity is inherently tribal. Slavery, rape, theft and genocide all predate history itself. If you believe "white people" have some kind of predisposition to or exclusive hold on these concepts this is merely a reflection of your own raci
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I will take this statement as a yes you in fact harbor deeply seated prejudices against entire groups of people.
You're pushing a stupid agenda and seem to expect that everyone reading this is illiterate, which is also stupid.
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Simple people tend to confuse race and religion.
Many Jews literally insist upon this confusion. If you attack the Jewish faith, they insist you are attacking the Jewish people. This is especially true of Zionists, who then go on to insist that they were promised the land they have been illegally colonizing, by YHWH thousands of years ago.
Most Jews come from Central Europe
So you mean they don't come from the Levant? Agreed.
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Just please fuck all the way off and take your shit with you as you go.
I didn't have you being a little bitch on my bingo card for today.
Did those murderous arseholes in Australia this morning bother to check whether any individual jews they were shooting were observant or flat out atheists? No.
It's extremely antisemitic to conflate all Jews with Zionists, as Zionism is antisemitic. But...
It is absolutely 100% about race.
...most of the Zionists' ancestors weren't even semites, unlike the people they're genociding. Tell me again about how it's 100% about race. You're focused on this incident, I'm talking about the bigger picture, of which this incident is only one piece. Was it anti-semitic? Yes. Is Israel's genocide promoting anti-semitism? Also yes. Does that just
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I didn't have you being a little bitch on my bingo card for today.
Better that than whatever the hell you are. Idiot on the internet? Anonymous loudmouth wanker?
Tell me again about how it's 100% about race.
It's 100% about race. Did the shooters bother to check the religion of any of the individuals there first? No? Well then it's not about fucking religion.
You're focused on this incident,
Oh yeah this is a completely isolated incident and no one else in history has ever decided to have a crack at the Jews reg
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A significant number of Jews insist that their ethnicity and their faith cannot be separated, which is only true to the extent that some of their sects refuse to consider you to be a Jew unless your mother is a certified Jew — another practice which both limits the growth of their faith, and alienates them from everyone else. It's not universal, but it's universally harmful, because the people who do this insist with their fundamentalist fervor that it's the only valid way to be a Jew.
You don't understand Judaism. They don't proselytize. They don't expect people to convert. They just want to be themselves. At the same time, they believe all people have the capacity within them for righteousness, and they believe that foreigners living among them should be treated as one of them. It's in the torah:
https://www.sefaria.org/Leviti... [sefaria.org]
You've obviously never noticed how no Jewish missionaries go around preaching damnation at one of your fecophilia conventions. And the reason they never knock at
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Oh yeah this is a completely isolated incident
Now do Israel oppressing Palestinians.
Ah yes just what I needed today: some asshat trying to explain the Jews to a Jew.
Apparently you did, because equally apparently you don't understand as much as you think you do. You also seem to think you're the only descendant of Jews around here.
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Better that than whatever the hell you are. Idiot on the internet? Anonymous loudmouth wanker?
Oooh...almost. The correct answer was fecophile.
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Now do Israel oppressing Palestinians.
That's a nice bit of racism right there: all Jews are really responsible for Israel.
Re:Is there a better way? (Score:5, Interesting)
Different tastes... I love driving past the skyline with windmills on the ridge. Makes me proud of living here in both a beautiful nature and a sci-fi eutopia.
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Soooo, you prefer climate catastrophe to "eyesores"? You seem to be a malicious person that does not care about the welfare of others.
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You seem to be on drugs. Maybe fix that instead of posting insane ramblings?