New Tesla Video Shows Tesla Semi Electric Truck Charging at 1.2 MW (electrek.co) 178
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Tesla has released a new video showing a Tesla Semi truck charging at a massive 1.2 megawatts (MW), finally giving us a clear look at the charging speeds that will enable long-haul electric trucking...
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Tesla claimed the Semi would be able to charge 70% of its range in 30 minutes. For a truck with a 500-mile range and an estimated battery pack of around 800-900 kWh, that requires an incredibly high power output, well beyond the 250 kW or even 350 kW we see on passenger EVs in North America. Today, the official Tesla Semi account on X released a video showing exactly that. In the video, Tesla engineers are seen monitoring a charging session where the power output climbs to a peak of 1.2 MW (1,206 kW).
This is consistent with the capabilities Tesla announced for its new V4 Cabinet architecture earlier this year. The V4 cabinets are designed to support 400V-1000V vehicle architectures and can deliver up to 500 kW for cars (like the Cybertruck) and up to 1.2 MW for the Semi. There is some information missing from the video. For example, we don't see the state-of-charge of the truck, so we don't at what battery percentage Tesla Semi can achieve and maintain this charge rate. Peak speed is one thing, but sustaining that power without overheating the pack or the cable is the real challenge. The liquid-cooled charging cable and the immersion-cooled connector (part of the Megawatt Charging System or a high-power proprietary Tesla solution, though Tesla has been leaning toward MCS compatibility) seem to be doing their job....
This comes just as Tesla is gearing up for volume production of the Semi at its new factory expansion near Gigafactory Nevada. The automaker is targeting a start of production in the first half of 2026 and a ramp up to volume production in the second half.
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Tesla claimed the Semi would be able to charge 70% of its range in 30 minutes. For a truck with a 500-mile range and an estimated battery pack of around 800-900 kWh, that requires an incredibly high power output, well beyond the 250 kW or even 350 kW we see on passenger EVs in North America. Today, the official Tesla Semi account on X released a video showing exactly that. In the video, Tesla engineers are seen monitoring a charging session where the power output climbs to a peak of 1.2 MW (1,206 kW).
This is consistent with the capabilities Tesla announced for its new V4 Cabinet architecture earlier this year. The V4 cabinets are designed to support 400V-1000V vehicle architectures and can deliver up to 500 kW for cars (like the Cybertruck) and up to 1.2 MW for the Semi. There is some information missing from the video. For example, we don't see the state-of-charge of the truck, so we don't at what battery percentage Tesla Semi can achieve and maintain this charge rate. Peak speed is one thing, but sustaining that power without overheating the pack or the cable is the real challenge. The liquid-cooled charging cable and the immersion-cooled connector (part of the Megawatt Charging System or a high-power proprietary Tesla solution, though Tesla has been leaning toward MCS compatibility) seem to be doing their job....
This comes just as Tesla is gearing up for volume production of the Semi at its new factory expansion near Gigafactory Nevada. The automaker is targeting a start of production in the first half of 2026 and a ramp up to volume production in the second half.
Impressive (Score:2)
If 1.2 is the peak, I speculate (disclaimer, I don't know any shit about it) they would probably limit it to 1 MW due to safety factor and things like that. Even 1 MW is very cool. Now if they finalize autonomous driving (China already has https://www.youtube.com/shorts... [youtube.com] ) and autonomous charging .. truck driving jobs will be like vacation.
Truck drivers will still be required (Score:4, Informative)
"truck driving jobs will be like vacation"
Not for a long time. Driving in a straight line down a highway and turning corners is the easy (for certain definitions of easy) part. The hard part comes when it gets to the yard and the driver needs to chat to the foreman about which docking ramp to park it at or whether to wait for N minutes or go to park over there for now or sorry we can't accept your load yet or there is a complete jumble of trucks with no obvious route though unless you ask someone.
Good luck getting a computer to manage that and its these situations the tech bros ignore.
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This is one yard management system away from being fully autonomous. It's already done in parts of Europe and China.
Re: Truck drivers will still be required (Score:2)
Youll have a link for that then.
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I'll do better. Searcg fir large shipping ports in PRC and how they work. Those are almost infinitely more complex in terms of logistics than just mere truck hubs.
And they're rapidly approaching near total automation at this point.
Americans wouldn't know about this because you have longshoremen union that keeps your ports utterly archaic.
Re: Truck drivers will still be required (Score:2)
A) I'm not american
B) Ports are very organised in nice neat rows of containers that can loaded and unloaded by lifts. A small messy private business yard? Not so much.
But thanks for proving you have no clue.
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Besides, while it's certainly possible that all the loading docks might be in use, if you have a "complete jumble of trucks", then that's a fairly major yard design failure and
Re: Truck drivers will still be required (Score:2)
Yeah, good luck getting every small company that has deliveries by truck coughing up for some automated system. Isnt going to happen, and if a driver needs to be paid to be on hand manouver the vehicle around the yard then he might as well drive it all the way.
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There are a ton of ways to cheaply solve this last mile problem -- such as trucks stopping in a designated spot (parking lot? gas station?) where a contracted human gets on it to babysit the last mile and argue with the foreman. They may not even need a CDL .. just some training on using the truck's touchscreen interface.
Will there be certain locations that are edge cases? Probably. The semi has room for a person, so those can be handled .. until the edge case scenarios have an automated truck handling and
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then you just need someone at the yard to use a remote control to dock the truck
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If for some reason the computer can't do this, the foreman or a helper can get in the truck and drive it to the correct location manually. Or (more likely imho) some kid in Korea will drive it remotely. In any case, the long-distance trucker is out of a job.
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The peak charge is nice, but what matters more is the whole charging curve -- which they don't show you. If it only holds 1.2MW for a few minutes then slacks down to 800KW until 80% then dives further, it's not as impressive.
Tesla won't be "finalizing" autonomous driving any time soon, at least if we use their FSD for cars as a guide. FSD works well in many cases and then does a critical disengagement when you need it most. (Note that they still have to have a safety driver in their faux-autonomous ride sha
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" it's not terrible if you don't need to scale the number of trucks you can charge at once"
if you're not scaling, you're not replacing a significant number of ICE semis
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Why wouldn't it scale? They will have a big grid connection and batteries for smoothing.
Almost as crazy as storing thousands and thousands of litres of explosive fuel on site in giant tanks, that need to be topped up every day.
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Aircon (Score:3)
The good thing about aircon, is the need is greatest when your rooftop PV cells are generating the most.
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Get your own solar panel, and they can't mess with it. The good thing about aircon, is the need is greatest when your rooftop PV cells are generating the most.
Actually, I've thought about it. The problem is that it just doesn't seem economical. By the time I pay for buying it, getting it installed, and then replacing it when hail or something blasts the crap out of it, it doesn't make a lot of economic sense. I have a neighbor who invested in this, and the first hail storm (we have them every year) that happens is going to make it nonviable. On the other hand, I do fully support people who have a "solar generator" (I hate that term) that they can unfurl if the sh
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when hail or something blasts the crap out of it, it doesn't make a lot of economic sense.
Can't you have that included in your house insurance?
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Maybe 1000 window ACs. But my 2 central ACs consume easily 4kW each. I rarely have to run both at once, though.
Re: Impressive (Score:2)
It is not an insulation issue. I had an insulation specialist inspect it before I bought it. He said the insulation was so good there was nothing that could be done to improve it. Honest contractors are out there.
The reason there are 2 central ACs is that it's a mansion. And I use zoning - 6 zones on one system, 4 on another, so that we only heat/cool the rooms we actually use, when we occupy them. The AC energy use is actually minuscule, relative to other things like electronics, hot tub and EV charging.
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If you assumed the typical home was 2,000 sqft with a 35,000 BTU central AC, it's closer to around 500 homes, or basically a medium-sized neighborhood.
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If you assumed the typical home was 2,000 sqft with a 35,000 BTU central AC
This is why imperial is wretched as a measurement system. Sure, feet are not inherently better or worse than meters, but why have weird units of power? Imperial makes anything that isn't the simplest of linear measurements a pain in the arse.
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Unless you just happen to know what size of AC you need for any given size of home, the unit conversions don't really mean anything. I happen to know this because I have a home roughly this size, and I know how much my AC uses. The amount can vary, (I actually have it measured in real-time) but it's typically around 2.5kw. However, my house is also in Phoenix where we tend to use more powerful AC units, but on the other hand mine also happens to be a relatively energy efficient split SEER 16 unit. I don't k
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Unless you just happen to know what size of AC you need for any given size of home, the unit conversions don't really mean anything.
The entire context was conversions though: charging power in MW, vs home air conditioning. I'm assuming the imperial units for power for charging wouldn't be thermal like BTU, so Imperial is really awkward here.
which that alone is, medically speaking, total nonsense
If your BMI comes out as obese, statistically you have a 95% chance of being obese if you're a man, and 99% if yo
Electric semis are not viable (Score:5, Interesting)
The only way it would have made economic sense to have electric semis is with the previous administration investing hundreds of billions of dollars in developing the infrastructure needed to keep these trucks charged and on the road and with tax incentives for buyers.
Trump has completely destroyed all renewable incentives and development for the next 3 years. Nobody is going to sell a single electric semi in that time. No new massive charging stations built. No fleets converting to electric.
Even when we were on track for all the investment, there still were no buyers for electric semis. It just doesn't make economic sense. Forget about the cost of the truck, which is half of the problem. The other half is all of the problems and time delays and costs and complications and lack of resources and infrastructure.
Tesla semis weren't even good electric semis. Other semi manufacturers have better trucks built on established platforms with fewer problems.
I don't understand why they're still pretending Tesla is going to sell these to anybody. You will see "pilot programs" and "evaluations", but it's just using budget allocated to Green ventures to make corporations seem more environmentally friendly. They aren't serious.
Re:Electric semis are not viable (Score:5, Interesting)
Well, truckers who have driven EV trucks have preferred them - they are much easier on the body than diesel engines. The smoothness and quietness of EVs mean their backs and joints don't hurt as much after a long day of driving.
Their instant torque also make them much nicer to drive in city traffic.
Sure the incentives might no longer exist, but the quality of the experience is such that it's likely to be something in demand.
What's likely to happen is hybrid trucks with fully electric drivetrains - so they get the advantages of EV driving, but currently compatible with infrastructure today. The diesel generator can be optimized to run smoother and quieter (like modern generators used for backup power) so they won't affect the ride quality.
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There’s interviews with Chinese semi drivers online, and there’s a guy called the Electric Trucker who talks about his experiences in Europe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
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Yes. In fact the company he works for, Nano Janssen runs a fleet of electric semis across Europe. He's driven across all of Europe, including a 5000 km trip to Central Turkey. Fascinating stuff. Shows that with a little bit of infrastructure, ev trucking is viable. And if you coordinate charging with mandatory breaks, it works out well even at just 300 kw charging.
Some people on slashdot think that Europe is smaller than the United States for driving distances. It's not. Europe is a vast place. The differen
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This is especially good. It's a bit out of date, but still very relevant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
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I can imagine that going uphill and downhill is also much easier in an electric truck.
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“problems and time delays and costs and complications and lack of resources and infrastructure.”
Can you spell this out? What problems? When you say time delays, are you talking about on the road? Or in the infra buildout?
Re: Electric semis are not viable (Score:5, Interesting)
As a rule of thumb, 500 miles is about the max a driver can move in a day before running out of hours, so if they can build up a network on the interstates to support, it could work. In addition to long haul deliveries, local deliveries (LTL) are daily loops going a couple hundred miles max per day and ending back at the point of origin. That would be a great use case for these.
Infrastructure isn't the problem (Score:2)
EVs can make sense for consumer vehicles because when you charge at home heavily subsidized electricity makes it super cheap to do so. Combine that with a bunch of additional government subsidies and it becomes economically viable.
All the government subsidies in the world don't fix the cargo capacity problems. Those cargo capacity problems completely screw up the ultra-tig
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You are aware that EV semi's are allowed to carry an extra 2000 pounds that a diesel truck can't, right? They also take the same trailers, so the same volume. So cargo capacity isn't the issue you think it is.
Re:Infrastructure isn't the problem (Score:4, Interesting)
Doesn't seem to be an issue in Europe and China, where EV trucks are popular for haulage. They make a lot of economic sense, and drivers like them.
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Perhaps they aren't ready for "long haul" routes yet, but ~40% of trucking is regional and last mile. EV semi-trucks are very capable of doing that. They would only need chargers at their destinations and use them either overnight, or during loading & unloading. Let's change those trucks over first and we can worry about long-haul later.
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just build in an grappling hook to clip on to the power lines.
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From the title I was fully expecting the grappling hook to clip onto a passing diesel semi.
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just build in an grappling hook to clip on to the power lines.
Bumper Trucks! [wikipedia.org] :-)
Tesla catching up (Score:3)
Truck charging with 1.2 MW is not exactly new: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
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But although it is a significant development, MCS will probably not replace the old CCS standard simply because not everyone needs it, and CCS is more cost-effective. So we will likely see a choice bet
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So we will likely see a choice between the two at charging stations.
You'll only find these in specific locations where trucks typically stop to refuel. Most people won't see a pump with an MCS option, just like most people don't see a pump with a high-flow diesel dispenser (which are everywhere at highway truckstops).
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Idk about that. I think people would really appreciate ultra fast EV charging options that let them get in and out in 5 minutes.
Electric grid (Score:4, Interesting)
That kind of requirement is going to kill an already over burdened grid in many places.
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*grabs popcorn and a cooler of beer for the show*
Of course, there will probably be a bunch of comments about using renewables for powering the charging stations (solar and wind)... I wanna see how big the field of solar panels is to power one of these chargers.
And, yeah... the heavier the load (or, if you prefer, the total weight), the harder the electric motor has to work, the more amps it draws. So, are they just going to have a football stadium-sized charging station every 200 miles along every highway?
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I'm a pessimist... sure, it might work, but I'm looking at the downsides to everything.
What parking heaters? I'm in the US here.
1/4 of average grid load for what? The current (as of January) amount of electric semis?
And, for the charger field of panels... that's for one charger... I suspect that there's gonna be more than one truck needing a charge at a time. So, say 5 football fields x 1 football field = one charger... that's a lot of land for one, let's say one charging park has 15 chargers... where ar
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If all current trucks are replaced by EV trucks, it would increases the demand on the grid by about 25%, ballpark number. Or to look at it
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Oh, yeah... a heatpump on a (or would it be 'an'?) EV semi truck that's sitting in a parking lot overnight? Where's the heat coming from?
I do not understand your sarcastic skepticism. Most heat pumps (including the cabin heating systems for most EVs these days) source heat primarily from the ambient air - same as the heat pump for a home. It's really no different than the car's AC system, just that the hot and cold sides have been swapped around. And, yes, such systems for an automobile opportunistically pull heat from the battery, inverter, and motor coolant loops, which have the typical antifreeze blend in them.
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I'm a pessimist... sure, EV semis might be great... but, you have to look for every failure point to see the big picture.
There ain't much ambient air temp in the Northern US during winter, so strike that.
What about when the driver is sleeping (as in... the truck isn't driving)? Not much heat to scavenge from a cold electric motor, battery, and inverter, so strike those too. So, the driver has to sleep in an Arctic-temp cab?
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FFS Tell Us Drain Time With Full Cargo Weight (Score:4, Interesting)
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I seriously doubt a Tesla semi can drive even 200 to 300 miles with a full cargo load of 40,000 pounds.
I doubt this too because they have already shown in tests that the Tesla semi drives 390 miles with a full cargo load. The videos are there, from multiple truck manufacturers. Tesla currently beat out Volvo who only achieved 375 miles on the FH Electric. DAF XF achieved only 310 miles.
Is this the whole EV thing over and over again? People having "doubts" about technology that is in use and has demonstrations already in place?
Re:FFS Tell Us Drain Time With Full Cargo Weight (Score:5, Informative)
And after 4.5 hours of driving, the driver must rest for 45 minutes (by law), and during that time charging can take place, so 600 km is more than enough. Note that not everyone needs MCS and will be completely happy with the old CCS standard. Finding the right truck for the right usage should be the whole point, not just getting a wide range.
I have seen projections that estimate that the electric truck market will grow from $39.3 billion in 2025 to $193.4 billion in 2033.
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In Europe there are quite a few electric semis on the road, with gvw up to 48 tonnes. Real world range of about 500 km. So Tesla s numbers are realistic. In Europe the average seems to be about 1.2 km per kwh fully loaded. And as long as you come back down there other side with regenerative braking, you can get that same efficiency going up mountains.
It's nice that a big diesel can hold fuel for 2000 miles but no driver is going to or be allowed to drive that without stopping for breaks. In Europe cha
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With proper charging infrastructure, which Tesla has shown they are willing to help build, these could be viable for long hauls with negligible impacts to recharging/refueling times if paired with rest facilities. What I envision is a rest stop with charging stations set up next to each parking spot that can charge bac
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On the other hand, do you have any evidence for your serious doubts? Or is it all based on thought experiments in your own head?
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zap you're dead (Score:2)
How long before the high voltages needed to sustain that power flow end up killing someone?
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How long before the high voltages needed to sustain that power flow end up killing someone?
Can you explain the mechanisms by which this would happen? Just having 1000 V in the vicinity of a person doesn't mean a thing - you need to somehow have a circuit through a person to kill them. Something like: someone touches a bare conductor with one hand while touching exposed metal on the chassis with the other. (I wouldn't trust my life to it, but automotive paint is generally not conductive.) So: how would you access an energized conductor? All the conductors are heavily insulated. Given the la
How do power grids handle 1MW load swings? (Score:2)
Power grids are interesting in that at any given moment the power being consumed needs to match the power being generated; in theory every time you or someone else turns on or off a light, a generator somewhere needs to spin a little faster or slower. In the time lag between the light turning on and the corresponding generator speeding up, the frequency of the grid slows a bit until the corresponding generator speeds up. Realistically no single light (or small load) being turned on or off has impact because
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I am not a grid engineer :) but the easy answer to your question is to install a Tesla Megapack (or equivalent) and charge from it. Then refill the Megapack from solar panels on top of the warehouse, or from the grid but at times of lower prices or just trickle it in. The destination will know how many trucks are coming in at what times and so that can be planned.
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Unless you are genuinely designing for it, a 1-MW load can't easily get turned on and off instantaneously. If nothing else, the inductance of the wires will limit how quickly you can ramp the current up/down. EV charge equipment doesn't instantly start charging at its maximum rate - a modest ramp is employed. There are relatively small facilities, called "frequency stabilization services", whose job is to rapidly (almost instantly) respond to modest changes in su
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I believe our Volvo was made in China, but yeah. Good car.
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Yeah, I say I believe it was made in China because there's a sticker on it saying it was assembled in China.
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The Chinese advantage is certainly partially comprised of automation and innovation for manufacturing. But it's also that their battery makers are pushing fast with new chemistries eg CATL and sodium, and that they have now gone beyond parity in cabin quality on a like-for-like basis. So they can provide a better consumer experience.
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The Chinese have invested in manufacturing and infrastructure for the past 30 years, and the United States has been hollowed out by the owner class with the blessing of the Boomers and Silent Generation.
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But for 7.5 minutes.
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You'll end up burning gas anyway.
And cheap gasoline from Venezuela... Any day now.
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Sure. Now consider your statement in terms of an oil field and tell me if it is any less insane. Besides, what other use do you have for the reactor power when the demand is low? Power variation of a nuclear plant is notoriously unpleasant.
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Yes, trucks are a moronic solution to long-haul, high volume transportation, whether electric or diesel. Railroad is the way where there is civilization. Once in the hub, electric or fossil fuel doesn't make whole lot of a difference in the final few miles.
But we were discussing something else.
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Fossil fuel trucks lower local air quality.
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You're just being unserious, you haven't even bothered to do a quick google on this.
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You seem confused. The GP was talking about a claim that the range reduces to 200 miles when there is a trailer and cargo. Which is bogus.
Your like is just a confirmation by Grok that 833 of these plugged in at once will use all the power of a typical nuclear reactor which I suspect he agrees with.
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Man are you going to be amazed when you find out how much power is needed to get gasoline to where it needs to be.
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Last time I checked supertankers are not very useful on roads.
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You've got entirely the wrong end of the stick with your maths.
If you can use the power of a nuclear reactor to charge 833 EV semis in 7.5 minutes, you can charge 6,664 in an hour, and 160000 in a day, and 58.38 million in a year.
However, the US doesn't have 58.38 million semis. It doesn't have 10s of millions of semis, either. It has under 3 million. See https://truckdriversus.com/how... [truckdriversus.com]
So that means every semi in the US could be charged 20 times a year if it were electric, with the power of just a single
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Your grok discussion is based on a complete straw man. You asked it to comment on the "Feasibility of a 100% Electric Vehicle Transition in the US by 2035". Absolutely no-one has proposed a 100% EV transition in the US by 2035. No-one. What *has* been talked about, but is no longer policy in the US, was a transition to 100% *NEW SALES* being EV. It would have been at least 15 years beyond 2035 before the US fleet would have approached 100% electric.
Do you not understand the difference between new sales and
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Also, you could probably have got the 1.6 figure down to about 1.2 by rolling out solar & storage at some reasonable scale. Given how costs are falling for both panels and batteries, esp with the advent of at-scale sodium from next year, that would have been totally feasible. But none of this matters, now you are pursuing your stupid batshit route with Trump instead.
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This is just more hype.
It's been 10 years since he announced the Semi and still no mass production.
It's nice that one of the prototypes can charge fast but pretty much useless in the whole scheme of things.
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I mean those are all legit things I *don't* trust Musk on. Again I do trust him on any claims he makes about a fancy new technology... when that technology exists and is in place elsewhere already (fun fact there are 12 MCS chargers in the EU already). At this point Tesla just needs to copy the design spec from IEC63379 and be done with it. Trivial.
Now if only there was an IEC spec for sending someone to Mars of having cars that increase in value because they can go do taxi runs while you don't need them...