Work From Home and Drive More Slowly To Save Energy, IEA Says (bbc.com) 152
As energy prices soar from the Iran conflict, the International Energy Agency is urging governments to cut energy use by taking up measures like remote work and reduced speed limits. The group warns the energy security crisis could persist for months, even if supply routes stabilize. "I believe the world has not yet well understood the depth of the energy security challenge we are facing," said IEA's executive director, Fatih Birol. "It is much bigger than what we had in the 1970s... It is also bigger than the natural gas price shock we experienced after the Russia's invasion of Ukraine." The BBC reports: Thirty-two countries are members of the IEA, including the US, the UK, Australia, Canada, Japan and 24 other European nations. Its role is to act as a global watchdog, providing analysis and recommendations on global energy problems, such as energy security and the transition to clean energy. The IEA's other suggestions for governments, businesses and individuals include:
- Promoting use of public transport
- Giving private cars access to city centres on alternate days
- Encouraging car sharing and efficient driving habits
- Avoiding air travel where possible, especially business flights
- Switching to electric cooking
It also said there should be a focused effort to preserve liquid petroleum gas for cooking and other essential uses, by switching bio-fuel converted vehicles onto gas and introducing other measures to reduce its use. Birol said these proposals were in addition to action taken by IEA member countries earlier this month, when they agreed to release 400 million barrels of oil, 20% of its emergency reserves. Several countries in Asia have implemented emergency four-day workweeks and work-from-home mandates as they have been hit particularly hard from the conflict. Fortune notes: "Asia is particularly dependent on oil exports from the Middle East; Japan and South Korea respectively source 90% and 70% of their oil from the region."
- Promoting use of public transport
- Giving private cars access to city centres on alternate days
- Encouraging car sharing and efficient driving habits
- Avoiding air travel where possible, especially business flights
- Switching to electric cooking
It also said there should be a focused effort to preserve liquid petroleum gas for cooking and other essential uses, by switching bio-fuel converted vehicles onto gas and introducing other measures to reduce its use. Birol said these proposals were in addition to action taken by IEA member countries earlier this month, when they agreed to release 400 million barrels of oil, 20% of its emergency reserves. Several countries in Asia have implemented emergency four-day workweeks and work-from-home mandates as they have been hit particularly hard from the conflict. Fortune notes: "Asia is particularly dependent on oil exports from the Middle East; Japan and South Korea respectively source 90% and 70% of their oil from the region."
Work from home? I'm all in! (Score:2)
Drive more slowly? What does that mean? What country do they think this is, anyway!
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Drive more slowly? What does that mean? What country do they think this is, anyway!
I think the country they think this is is one of 29.
That said, I confess to being more than a little bit smug, already owning an EV and living where basically all of our electricity is either hydro-electric (natural waterfalls, not dams) or nuclear.
While the price of everything is going to go up because trucks & everyone else aren't.
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That said, I confess to being more than a little bit smug, already owning an EV ...
I do too, but I'm fully expecting utility rates to be jacked up just because they can. I've got a hedge against that though, too. Awhile back I got an e-scooter for short trips and for taking on the train to avoid the expense of parking downtown. It's certainly not something that works for every trip (especially with Florida's weather being what it is), but the energy costs to ride it are basically a rounding error.
Re: Work from home? I'm all in! (Score:5, Insightful)
You have no reason to be smug. Most of the fossil fuels anyone uses comes from the products they buy, not their own travel. Do you make all your own food from scratch or are they shipped by plane/boat/truck like everyone else's?
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Unfortunately the south facing (UK) part of my house roof has three dormers on it so it is impractical for solar panels. The north side might be a possibility but there are three Velux windows and a hedge/trees/etc that shades it and there is a road the other side, so I don't want to lose the hedge because it deadens the noise and staves off some pollution.
Here I can charge my EV at night at 7p/KWh my usual eleccy charge is 29p/KWh. There is also a daily "standing charge" of 44p/day. That 7p rate is val
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Lots of BlackAdder fans in New Zealand?
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It means wind resistance increases non-linear with velocity through atmosphere.
i.e. the faster you drive, the more fuel it takes to get to the destination.
This isn't hard to figure out.
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LOL Yeah I'm aware. My point was that Americans don't know what driving "more slowly" means.
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LOL Yeah I'm aware. My point was that Americans don't know what driving "more slowly" means.
If they drive a Surbaru or a Honda CR-V, yes they do. Under no circumstances do they drive the speed limit and if they go down short hills it is guaranteed they'll put on their brakes.
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They do. The last time the US broke the world's oil system... okay, the time before, uh, well, a few times ago, they set their national highway speed limit at 55 miles/hour. It seems a lot of people actually did slow down, at least until oil got cheap again.
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I was there when the speed limit was 55. Literally *nobody* drove 55 mph, except for maybe retirement age people. If you drove less than 65 mph, you were being passed left and right.
You are right about one thing: this oil crisis was a self-inflicted problem. I'm sorry it is also inflicting pain on all the other countries in the world.
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Funny how all this "return to office" mandates is now blowing up in those companies faces.
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You haven't been to Texas, have you!
Most major city streets in Houston have a speed limit of 45, and traffic actually flows at 55.
Houston freeways have posted speed limits of 60-65, but you'll get run over if you go that slow (outside of rush hour, at least). Even during rush hour, most freeways are heavy, but still flow at high speeds.
Two-lane country highways in Texas typically have posted speed limits of 75.
Some interstate highways in Texas have a posted speed limit of 85.
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I've liven in Houston my entire life, well-documented in my 20 years of Slashdot posting history, and I can say confidently you are either lying, or have been lied to.
Freeway traffic is bumper-to-bumper from 3 to 7 PM, Monday through Friday. Every single freeway, and way beyond the city limits, stretching deep into Katy, Conroe, Baytown, and Sugarland. That's every cardinal direction, for those of you who've never been.
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Except that you can't ride a bike (or other micromobility device) on the highway. You have to ride on regular roads and follow all the same traffic signals that cars do, so only in very specific situations does it end up actually being faster than driving a car. Like for me, around the holidays I can certainly get to the Walmart near my home much faster on my e-scooter than in my car, but that's mostly because there's a route I can take on the scooter that entirely bypasses any traffic and I don't have to
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Yeah, if you were going to put in a dedicated bike trail that paralleled the highway, that could be something, but at that point you may as well just put in rail and run a train instead.
Apart from the fact that riding next to a highway is a bit grim: why not do both?
Perhaps the president should take note (Score:2)
And stopping flying down to Florida each week for a round of golf.
As president, his home is the WH.
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Many roles can't work from home, given the nature of the role. So, they get a free pass. That makes it even more important for those of us who can work from home to do so (and for employers to allow and encourage this).
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Is it really saving electricity when everyone is running their individual ACs as opposed to going into a central office that runs it's AC (which it runs regardless)? Be interesting to see the numbers.
Of course working from home will save gasoline, so that's a good enough reason.
Regarding the neuron surgeon, he could possibly work from home. With the advancements in robotics and ultra high speed Internet, I think s/he could very well work from home. https://www.bbc.com/future/art... [bbc.com] is an example of it in t
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Homes are often occupied anyway during the day, and even if they aren't, most of them have the AC set to something below 80. It not generally energy efficient to recool a house that's been heated to 100 degrees during the day back to the low seventies.
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Electricity source (Score:2)
"Electricity isn't something that needs to be conserved - it's not shipped around the world in any significant quantity and generally is made as it's used"
Wrong
In much of the world the main source of electricity is Natural Gas.
Which is fine if you live in North America, but for EUrope and Asia it has to be imported. Because of damage to the LNG facilities in the Gulf, production won't be back to full capacity for years, even after the Strait of Hormuz is reopened.
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It's March. The earliest AC season starts is the end of June. We had snow on the ground last week.
Obviously this sort of depends on where you live, but the heat pump will be in heating mode for at least another month.
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There is currently a high pressure "heat dome" sitting over the western United States that extends down to Mexico and up to about southern Idaho. It's been sitting there for about a week though Monday we're suppose to get some relief. Temperatures have averaged about 95F for the past week. I'm 20 miles from the beach in San Diego.
It's unusual weather for us but what are you going to do. I'm hoping the reports of a potential El Nino happen, as that drives lots of wet weather towards my region in the fall and
Re: How are these workers to WFH? (Score:2)
Work from home so that you aren't creating traffic congestion and slow down these people with real jobs.
P.S. I write drivers for AI accellerators, I don't have a real job anymore.
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Here is a remote job opening for neurosurgeon:"... is seeking a BC/BE Neurosurgeon to provide telehealth consultations for patients with neurological and spine-related surgical conditions."
https://www.indeed.com/viewjob... [indeed.com]
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"Police snipers"
if they're very, very good
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Maybe not for much longer. The AC will get set to 30C and the the thermostats will be behind locked covers. What are you going to do, QUIT?... No, you have to pay homage to the landlord or mortgage god.
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30 is a bit warm, but 27 is normal in my house during the 8 weeks of summer.
Energy Crisis (Score:5, Insightful)
By "energy crisis" do you mean petty asshole starting a war in the middle east like the last two republican presidents?
Re:Energy Crisis (Score:5, Insightful)
And invading another country. And treathening to invade two other allied countries and NATO members.
But what's the point ? The only rebuttals you'll get from the resident trumptards will be something about Obama or Biden, or some emails or some laptop. Oh, and TDS. Let's not forget TDS.
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It may have still been ultimately misguided but any real opportunity to get rid of those awful clerics can't be taken lightly.
If you think the one chance we had to offer women in that region a chance at real freedom was not worth taking? You may simply lack humanity.
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Actually I think this is one of the worst timing.
You attack them in the middle of the Islamic Holy Month (Ramadan, fasting month). I think that makes it more difficult for the surrounding Islamic nations to get involved.
Not only that, everyone knows that the Straits of Hormuz will be closed if Iran is attacked by the US. And the US did not have a plan to handle that. And Iran has supplied drones / licenced Russia to make drones based on Iran designs for the Ukraine war. So you will at least have learnt how
Re:Energy Crisis (Score:5, Insightful)
We're saving the women now? How are those Afghan women doing today, 25 years after the invasion?
Yeah, I considered saving the Iranians, and determined we couldn't.
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- We really don't want Iran to have nukes, I think that goes without saying, and it's hard to argue that this conflict hasn't set back that program.
- It's likely that taking out Iran's ability to manufacture drones and missiles will result in a net saving of
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Pretty much standard operating procedure then.
Yep. (Score:2)
(Can you imagine what fun the press would have had with a President Hillary going on about the drapes?)
And then goes on to be a trashy asshole [cnbc.com] to the Japanese PM. Although that could "just" be dementia-driven disinhibition instead of intentional. And when he's gone, remember that this is what Republicans value - this incompetent, boorish, demented piece of t
Silver lining on a very gray cloud. (Score:5, Insightful)
I am happy about renewed interest and political pressure in favor of working from home. Such events help to persuade business leaders who still (selfishly and ignorantly) insist that people should work from an office even when their role does not require it.
Of course, I would never wish for something like the Iran conflict in order to create this political pressure. It would be much better if public awareness and acceptance of the environmental consequences of widespread business travel (including driving to work every day) would create the necessary political pressure.
But, that's not the world we live in, unfortunately.
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Lots of things will never happen in this country without a world war. It's the only chance to bring back rail, for example. There's also a lot of towns which weren't [freeway] bypassed decades ago when it would have been affordable due to a combination of worrying that the town would dry up and blow away (if that happens, it's because the town fucking sucks, every single time) and being unwilling to use eminent domain. And the irony is, eminent domain used to be feasible back then, you could actually do it.
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Sounds like commercial property owners that can't lease their commercial space might want to look into converting into residential housing. Seems there's still a booming market for that, especially if they compete on price.
But that's just me, thinking of solutions rather than just whining about it. Time to adapt or die.
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That's not cheap to do though and in many of the places with these office buildings, there are really tedious permitting processes that take place. If it were even close to a solution, we would see a whole lot more of it.
Not saying it's not something that could be done but so far, it hasn't been a major thing.
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Perhaps now (Score:3)
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I understand that emotionally you want this to be the answer. But being overtly emotional is exactly how we ended up here, with magas electing trump.
Better tell (Score:2)
Better tell the folks from (to start with):
California
Illinois
Texas
These folks think that every road in the country is the Autobahn and can drive at unlimited speeds.
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Clearly you've never been to Utah, Montana or Idaho. Long stretches of nothing and the legal posted limits are 80, so of course people will push that to 90.
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Having billionaires telling me to work from home (Score:2, Insightful)
Donald Trump still has a 40% approval rating and all I can think of is who the fuck approves of Donald Trump? Like I get the quarter of the country that would do anything for the Republican party but for every
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Look on the bright side, at least they didn't say "cut out the avocado toast."
At the end of the day, expensive gas is just something most Americans will just complain about and then just deal with it. There has been the option to buy more efficient vehicles for quite awhile now, and yet the best selling models are still ginormous gas guzzlers. Hell, even my younger brother just did that right before the war started - he bought a used Volvo SUV with a giant V8. I told him to get a Chevy Bolt before the ta
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This. Even though it affects me as well, I personally don't care if the gas price goes up to $10. The idiots deserve to suffer and that's a surefire way to see it happen. It would be especially nice if we could some how keep diesel down but let unleaded go up.
Of course, I drive a hybrid, plan my route and don't tend to make extra trips to the store when it can just wait until tomorrow before or after work. As you mentioned, people have had DECADES!!! to buy more efficient vehicles and they decide to buy gin
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At the end of the day, expensive gas is just something most Americans will just complain about and then just deal with it.
Meanwhile the rest if the world pays the price for the wholly predictable actions of Americans ...
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It wasn't just to maintain value for their corporate properties, it's because they love seeing people in the office, doing their bidding. They'd be able to save so much on capital expenditure if everyone worked from home, but they keep people in the office because they looooooove to see who they're oppressing.
It's just temporary (Score:2)
Once this war is over, not only will oil & gas traffic resume: Iranian oil too will be back on the markets. At which point, it'll be like it was at the end of Covid
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So the bombing of oil facilities has no impact on their future production? I heard a figure of 5 years to repair the current damage the LNG storage. That does not include the delays from future damage.
This isn’t ending anytime soon, everyone is going scorched earth, and nuclear war is looking like a possible outcome. The strategic oil reserves should last at least a few weeks. How long does it take to rebuild the entire Middle East oil infrastructure?
In an employer's market with all the layoffs... (Score:2)
It will likely be "Work at the office or be terminated for cause". If the market was the other way around, then it energy shortage would have the desired effect, but that's not the market dynamic at this point.
Now, if the energy shortage persists, then an employee's market would turn to an employer's market due to a recession caused by the high price of energy.
I'm thinking that a recession due to energy costs is coming. Once it does, and we get though the other side, maybe electric vehicles and solar panels
Hormuz has frozen 20% of the oil and gas (Score:2)
Gas prices go up a tad. People drive slightly less. Industrial chemicals get slightly pricier. People telecommute a bit more. None of this is good (except the telecommuting) but it shouldn't be gri
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The problem is that most of that oil was destined for a few countries, mostly in Asia. So when they can't get their oil, they offer higher prices for oil from elsewhere. And of course, that raises the price for everyone because oil producers are going to sell to the highest bidder.
Another problem is that about one-third of the world's agricultural fertilizer passes through the strait. That's going to cause enormous food production problems and make food prices spike even higher than they would have if t
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1. Fertilizer is made from methane, so that's also stuck there. This is a HUGE problem for countries like India.
2. Poor countries are already switching to 4 day work weeks to save fuel.
3. Iran is letting ships whose balances are settled in Yuan leave. That means the power of the petro-dollar is under serious threat.
4. Countries that can no longer get Iranian oil are now buying non-Iranian oil, which drives the price of ALL oil up. There's speculation that it will hit $200/barrel. That's more than 3x what it
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20% of the world's supply of the stuff most transportation runs on is a rather big deal.
20% of the world's supply of the stuff we use to grow food is also a rather big deal, but that one won't bite for a bit.
So here's the question (Score:2)
Why do employers and bosses demanding return to office hate America so much?
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Because they can. The employees cost of energy doesn't confront them. They know the voters won't elect someone who will put teeth in the labor laws, because the voters will never see a candidate who will take on that challenge. It would be political suicide, because the monied interests would open the floodgates on the money for attack ads.
Hey, Detroit! (Score:2)
How attractive do you think your gas-guzzling SUVs and "light trucks" are going to be with the era of $5/gallon gas approaching?
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If people didn't love them they wouldn't sell them. People around me are obsessed with giant trucks.
Federal workers (Score:3)
Behaviour doesn't change until it's forced to. (Score:2)
Americans are predisposed to use energy wastefully. They aren't alone, of course, but when national symbols include huge homes and big trucks, and their president hates windmills, non-incandescent bulbs, and low flow toilets and showers, their collective behaviour won't change until a plea to conserve comes with financial pain and an honest-to-goodness shortage.
Watch how a populace fields a request to not water lawns in a drought region to see how they move.
I have solar panels and drive an EV (Score:2)
I have solar panels and drive an EV. I don't really care what happens to the price of oil. When winter comes I'll care about the price of natural gas (haven't replaced the gas furnace with a heat pump; I'll definitely do that when the furnace reaches EOL), but that that hasn't gone up much.
I highly recommend this strategy.
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I highly recommend this strategy.
It gets extremely cold where I live, and in ground heat pumps while expensive are a better option than air based exchangers especially in my case. Problem is that an “environmental group” the watershed district, creates extreme red tape and you cannot get permitting for installation because it’s too close to “wetland”. You can file for an exemption which can take months with no guarantee at success. I’d have considered the 20k+ cost, plus 10k for ripping out ceilings a
Get Back to the Office! (Score:2)
First though... (Score:2)
Ok, shut down data centers and AI farms first. Then I'll consider it.
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The AI data centers mostly run on natural gas burned in on-site turbines, this could hasten the AI bubble popping.
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If affects us to some degree. Petrol - for those that use it - is a bit more expensive, and it probably will disturb still fossil-sources industrial supply chains after a while. There is still natural gas dependency, we don't want to buy from the invading dictator in Russia, and the supply may also diminish.
But we generally have more sensible cities, where it's rather easy to ride a bike or even walk to services, kindergarten and often to work. And public transit is much more abundant, even if of course peo
Re:The sky is falling....? (Score:5, Insightful)
Just wait.
The fuel price hikes we are seeing today are the result of the futures market pricing in a lack of crude production for contract delivery.
Nobody has even started pricing in scarcity, which will hit when those futures contracts do not get delivered, and there is less refined petroleum distillates available than orders. That's when we're gonna see a spike in prices that is going to make the last two weeks look like Fischer-Price "My First Petrowar" pricing - when demand outstrips supply.
We are only at the beginning of this thing. And LNG exports worldwide are going to follow due to this week's crippling of one of the biggest natural gas fields in the world.
The oil shocks of the 70s were not caused by war and destruction. Those were simply a political argument among countries, which could be ended in a day with negotiations and verbal agreements.
There's no verbal agreement that can replace 20% of global oil deliveries, or 20% of global natgas production. This is going to get a whole lot worse before it gets any better.
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It is an input to urea production [wikipedia.org]. As in fertilizer. As in a major farming input.
So you can thank Mr. Peace President for you impending food bill, too.
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this hasn't affected my life so far in the least.
Yea, I remember the 1970s and the carless days due to fuel shortages. It was a huge PIA at the time. Now we have a four level plan and when it reaches level 3 carless days will be back. As an EV owner charging from solar panels the effects for me will be indirect cost increases, which are already happening. I was lucky and predicted the cost of my August holiday flights would go and brought the tickets just 1 day before the price went up NZD $180. My mum is somewhat ok as I helped her to buy a cheap BE
Re:The sky is falling....? (Score:5, Insightful)
That's a personality trait I see a lot among conservatives in general and Trump supporters in particular:
"If it doesn't affect me personally then I don't give a flying fuck."
Trump has thrown a lighted match into a dry hay bale. Now the fire is going to spread everywhere. Bombs will start falling on every country in the region. Infrastructures will be destroyed, civilians will lose everything and live in terror everyday. Refugies will flood other countries and live in miserable conditions. Men, women and children will die. By the hundreds. By the thousands.
But none of that will probably "affect you personally", so you won't give a flying fuck.
What a wonderfull human being you are.
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Yeah, there was just fuel rationing and it FUNDAMENTALLY changed the car industry for decades? Big cars went out of style and Japanese econoboxes became a thing because people wanted to spend less on gas?
I get it, you were a KID in the 70s, so you didn't really understand what was going on and what the challenges were. But you could go and read about them now if you want--you're probably north of 50, I think you're ready to learn the truth.
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when gas was expensive during covid
Dunno what happened in your neck of the woods during Covid, but here in central FL, gas got extremely cheap during Covid because almost no one was driving anywhere.
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Same in Southern California. It was pretty awesome having reasonably empty freeways and cheaper gas. It even went under $4 (unheard of for Californians). Oh and our insurance dropped as well because fewer people driving means fewer accidents. All and all, it was a decent time for anyone that was essential and had to go to work.
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wow really? you must look so intimidating in your leotard. Bet that driver is petrified until the signal changes then their truck, about 2ton heavier than you, can push you off the road with almost zero effort. Cool!
I'm a cyclist and morons like you are why drivers hate cyclists.
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"I'm a cyclist and morons like you are why drivers hate cyclists."
By the tone of your post, I'd say you're more a liar than a cyclist.
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Considering it's 95F 20 miles from the beach in San Diego as I type this, cycling is out. Maybe along the coast line, but our bicycle infrastructure is terrible here. Possibly the worst part of it is, where are you suppose to put your bike where a homeless won't steal it? I've never seen a bicycle locker in person. Also, my work doesn't have showers, so I'm not showing up covered in sweat.
Believe me, I love the IDEA of cycling for transportation, but it's not practical in Southern California at all. To many
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"Believe me, I love the IDEA of cycling for transportation..."
I don't believe you. Everything is excuses, not experiences. You don't know about bike locks? Take your BS elsewhere.
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A bike lock, even those U bars, won't save the whole bike from San Diego homeless. I've had multiple bikes stolen despite having a thick wire mesh that went through both tires and the frame. Fucking thing was chopped off with bolt cutters and left on the ground. So please, tell me again where am I suppose to store my bicycle when there is no designated safe spot for it?
I hear in countries that take this stuff serious, such as the Netherlands, they actually have public bicycle lockers. Now that's awesome. Of
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"A bike lock, even those U bars, won't save the whole bike from San Diego homeless."
Sure, they may be homeless but they carry around grinders, right?
I'd say you know nothing about cycling or cycling security.
"I've had multiple bikes stolen despite having a thick wire mesh that went through both tires and the frame."
A thick wire mesh? Wow, that sounds just like what cyclists use!
"Fucking thing was chopped off with bolt cutters and left on the ground."
Yeah, those bolt cutters homeless carry around.
"So please
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You just don't get it, do you. You think homeless are only bums laying on the side walk with a bottle in a brown paper sack. You literally don't seem to understand that many of them have cars and RVs and frankly, they ride around on bicycles quite a bit. Many of them also have jobs as well. There are different categories of homeless.
Thing is, anyone that comes along and reads our discourse will quickly realize you are just being a troll and that I'm just wasting my time even responding to you.
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Whatever you say. I see it every single day. I work at a grocery store near the coast in San Diego. I'm not exaggerating anything. There really are numerous categories of homeless and all of them could use some help at different levels. Some really just need help securing housing. They are the working homeless that fly under the radar because they are still driving cars and going to work.
You have lots of late middle age folks (~50-60s) that have RVs. They tend to use our parking lot for overnight parking. T
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Not a fan of the BBB, but it could have been much worse. There could have been an annual tax on EV's and hybrids, but it didn't make it into the final version. No doubly they'll try if the do another reconciliation bill this year or next year.
They want you to have to buy that "motion lotion" from them for transportation energy, not manufacture it your self with a one time purchase of solar panels and an electric car. Why do you think they tried to push H2 fuel cell powered vehicles over BEV's?
You are to hav
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There could have been an annual tax on EV's and hybrids
My state already has this. This year it was about $430, despite EV charging being about the same price per mile as using gasoline, triple the residential rate and quintuple commercial prices. This means people who can’t charge at home not only pay more for an EV, they also pay more per mile for fuel. If the goal is to pollute the planet then it’s working quite well.
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It is impossible to regain control of the strait of Hormuz without a ground invasion of Iran.
No matter how many patrols you have, it just takes one lucky missile or drone to scare commercial ships from traversing the strait. I'm sure the US military has known this for ages, and I'm also sure Trump didn't listen.
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Or build more solar + wind with storage so that we could almost be powered by moonbeams and unicorn farts and not have to wait decades for a nuclear plant to finish construction or pretend that producing a little more oil locally would meaningfully affect global prices.
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instead of pretending that we'd be powered by moonbeams
You could instead opt for sunbeams which have about 500,000 times more power.