Netflix Must Refund Customers For Years of Price Hikes, Italian Court Rules (arstechnica.com) 46
A Rome court ruled that several Netflix price hikes in Italy were unlawful because the company's contracts didn't adequately explain or justify future pricing changes. As a result, Netflix has been ordered to issue refunds that could total roughly 500 euros for some long-term subscribers. Ars Technica reports: The lawsuit was brought by Italian consumer advocacy group Movimento Consumatori, which alleged that the price hikes violate the Consumer Code, Italian legislation that aims to protect consumer rights. The Consumer Code says it's unlawful for a "professional to unilaterally modify the clauses of the contract, or the characteristics of the product or service to be provided, without a justified reason indicated in the contract itself," according to a Google-provided translation.
The court's April 1 ruling determined that Netflix's contracts were required to explain in advance why prices or other terms might change in the future. Because the price hikes were found to be imposed without providing customers with valid justifications, the court ruled that the new prices are invalid and ordered Netflix to refund affected subscribers. This comes despite Netflix reportedly providing a 30-day advance notice of the higher fees and allowing customers to cancel their subscriptions to avoid price hikes.
The court gave Netflix 90 days to inform millions of current and former customers via email, mail, its website, and Italian newspapers of their right to refunds or else face a penalty of 700 euros per day, Italian newspaper Il Sole 24 Ore reported today. Per Italian law, price increases that Netflix has issued or will issue beyond April 2025 are legal. At that time, Netflix adjusted its terms to state that contract terms could one day change due to technological, security, or regulatory needs, to clarify clauses, or to provide changes to the service, Il Sole 24 Ore reported.
The court's April 1 ruling determined that Netflix's contracts were required to explain in advance why prices or other terms might change in the future. Because the price hikes were found to be imposed without providing customers with valid justifications, the court ruled that the new prices are invalid and ordered Netflix to refund affected subscribers. This comes despite Netflix reportedly providing a 30-day advance notice of the higher fees and allowing customers to cancel their subscriptions to avoid price hikes.
The court gave Netflix 90 days to inform millions of current and former customers via email, mail, its website, and Italian newspapers of their right to refunds or else face a penalty of 700 euros per day, Italian newspaper Il Sole 24 Ore reported today. Per Italian law, price increases that Netflix has issued or will issue beyond April 2025 are legal. At that time, Netflix adjusted its terms to state that contract terms could one day change due to technological, security, or regulatory needs, to clarify clauses, or to provide changes to the service, Il Sole 24 Ore reported.
"unilaterally modify the clauses of the contract" (Score:1)
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Yes, it is, since Roman times. Modifying a contract in ways not envisioned by the contract itself is frowned upon in literally every place that adopted these basic "Italian" concepts of law.
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See Americans? (Score:1, Insightful)
This is what actual consumer protections look like. A company can't just jack up prices to appease the suits and shareholders.
Re: See Americans? (Score:3)
This is Italy just fleecing an America tech company because they tried to fleece italians first.
FTFY.
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How can a totally optional, extremely easy to cancel, no contract required service fleece anyone? If netflix just vanished tomorrow, so what. Next to nothing of value is lost and 10 other services already exist that could easily pickup anything unique they had to offer.
If this were about a monopoly OS or phone vendor, I could understand, but a streaming service that no one needs at all? Sorry, I just don't agree with this at all.
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Not even close. First, ignore the totally optional, extremely easy to cancel, no contract required part, it's irrelevant. There is a contract, it was agreed by two parties, and the terms must meet the standards of Italian law.
(for Americans who have never visited Italy, the laws over there are highly codified and complex. Italy doesn't follow the English/American Common Law, it follows the modern European standard based on Napoleonic Law. Anything you think you know about the law based on American customs
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Re: See Americans? (Score:5, Informative)
The thing with most countries that aren't america is you cant just unilaterally change a contract even with "30 days notice", you need to get the customer to actively consent, click a button that says "I acknowledge this nonsense" or whatever. Netflix was fined for breaking Italian law, in Italy.
Netflix are absolutely NOT in the right, and that should not be controversial to anyone
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Whoosh. If the contract only lasts 30 days, you can change the terms for a future contract.
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Whoosh. If the contract only lasts 30 days, you can change the terms for a future contract.
I don't know about Italian Netflix contracts, but my US one does not expire after 30 days. There is no clause in the contract that says that. In fact the contract makes it pretty clear that it lasts until I cancel, and that if I stop making the monthly payments I am in breach.
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In any case, it doesn't affect the ethics, and Netflix gives ample time for a customer to cancel renewals.
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If they don't want to do this, they can simply cancel and leave the country.
There's no force or deceit, just the law.
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I'll concede I don't know about Napoleonic Law as I'm most certainly an America and as you suggest, follow English/American Common Law.
The issue for Netflix HQ is simple: 1) stop telling the Italian subsidiary what to do, they know better than you. 2) pay the fines, unless you want to leave money on the table by leaving the country. 3) if you leave Italy, you will have to leave all of the EU countries too, because the way that the common market works it's all mixed up.
I'm sure they will pick one of these but I still think it's a bunch of BS. It's a month to month plan. Don't like the new price? Then don't remain a subscriber. It's pretty simple. No protection from anything needed. Especially considering it's optional entertainment that exist in a realm with many competitors.
Still, you are correct that if a business wants to offer service
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There's no overarching EU law. There are EU regulations and directives, and the member states (who each have their own state laws) must fold those directives into their own state laws in a way that fits. The regulations tend to be very targeted.
So in a manner of speaking, it's all state laws, no "federal" law, just local interpretations of "federal" directives and some common standards. And contracts in each state have to follow state law. If someone objects that a "federal" directive is broken, then they
Re: See Americans? (Score:2)
You can't refer back to some judge such-and-such who said something was ok in a similar lawsuit, so therefore it must be ok going forward in all future lawsuits.
It's not that clear cut.
Yes, the precedence doesn't have a strong a binding character as in yhe US, but treating everyone equally is a basic principle of law that goes back millennia, to thw verge beginning, long before there was even EU or America.
Therefore decisions in European courts, in particular higher ones, tend to have a "strongly suggestive" character. If lower courts go against the grain, the decisions get reversed.im revision courts at higher levels.
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I'll concede I don't know about Napoleonic Law as I'm most certainly an America and as you suggest, follow English/American Common Law.
IANAL, but I think it is actually Roman law: "Pacta sunt servanda" - contracts must be honored. Netflix is free to sever the contract (if they adhere to the applicable cancellation period), or maybe even to adjust the price according to the rules set by law, as laws supersede contracts. However, unilaterally changing a contract to the other party's disadvantage is usually not permitted in Europe, especially when consumers are involved.
I'm sure they will pick one of these but I still think it's a bunch of BS. It's a month to month plan. Don't like the new price? Then don't remain a subscriber. It's pretty simple. No protection from anything needed. Especially considering it's optional entertainment that exist in a realm with many competitors.
That's the American model - why should it apply in Italy? It's not like N
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It is a contract, totally subject to Italian law that the Italian subsidiary of that particular American company signed with its customers knowingly, reviewed by a court that the said company chose to be a subject of voluntarily.
Any "fleecing" here happens only in the limited imagination of ignorant imbeciles.
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This is Italy just fleecing an America tech company because they can.
I just checked my cable operator; Like Netflix, increased my subscription by 1 euro last January. But contrary to Netflix, they did follow the law, and included a 8 line paragraph that goes:
* "we keep investing in the quality of our services, our 5G coverage now reaches 97% of the population"
* "we will update the prices in agreement with the contract, and after publication of the inflation values [https LINK] for year 2025"... "increase your package monthly rate by 2.3%"
* "this will help us bring you faster
Pause on Hike (Score:5, Interesting)
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Now I hear you, but just think about what happened in the food industry when they found out customers would not pay higher prices, but would gladly eat shit if it came in the same box as their childhood reward foods.
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but would gladly eat shit if it came in the same box as their childhood reward foods.
They might actually get away with that if they did it with Space Food Sticks.
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Now I hear you, but just think about what happened in the food industry when they found out customers would not pay higher prices, but would gladly eat shit if it came in the same box as their childhood reward foods.
To what are you alluding?
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It is a lot easier to scam the customer if the price hike is automatic and the process to appeal it is difficult and expensive for the consumer.
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I've always wondered how willing companies would be to hike prices if subscriptions would automatically pause on a price increase, and the consumer would need to approve the new price for the subscription to continue.
Probably very. The issue is still one-sided, even if an approval is required. There's this idea that consumers don't notice the price increase or don't realise it's happening, but in reality consumers are somewhat captive. What you going to do paybitch, suddenly stop watching that thing you're enjoying in the middle of the season? Spotify prices increase, do I a) go buy new hardware that supports some other service, or b) just pay the $1 per month.
And that is the justification too. It's not $15 / month, it'
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"if subscriptions would automatically pause on a price increase"
Press this button before $DATE to continue at $NEW_PRICE with no interruption.
Press this button after $DATE to resubscribe at $NEW_PRICE+1 if you experience an interruption in service.
If there's one thing they'll like more than a silently recurring charge, it a penalty for being slightly late for a silent deadline
"To keep up with inflation"? (Score:2)
Do they only have to state a reason or does somebody have to adjudicate whether that reason is validly "justified"? We have a Public Utilities Commission here that pretends to do such things.
Or is this one of these, "you can't know, so try it and a judge will tell you what the law was" sort of things?
Maybe somebody who understands Italian jurisprudence can clarify their theory of law.
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You can't really equate public utilities (water, power, sewage) which are required things for living in a major city to entirely optional entertainment that has numerous competing options. Netflix, last I checked, doesn't even lock you into a contract. You can literally cancel after a week and you'll have access for the 30 days you paid for.
This is just Italy fleecing the tech company because it can. They should start their own streaming service if they are so unhappy with the America options. Don't they ha
Re:"To keep up with inflation"? (Score:5, Informative)
This is just Italy fleecing the tech company because it can.
No it's not. It's not "Italy" (as a country, as a government) that brought the case. It's a consumer union and the lawyers they paid; not "Italy".
What it is, it's a megacorp not competently reading the law of the country they operate in. It was just as simple as writing "to keep up with inflation". They just had to write that to be in the clear. Just like one has to say "yes I do" when getting married, otherwise it might not be valid.
This is really standard stuff. I'm not in Italy, but I have seen reports in other news of, say, a decision of a district to change the name of a street to be cancelled by a Court because the district forgot they have to justify the reason for the name change (which is just as simple as to write "to honour the name of a local citizen"); and a criminal sentencing cancelled by a higher court because the lower judge forgot to justify something. This sort of mess up happens, it's fair game for someone to bring the case to Court and win.
Now get them for no-more-sharing! (Score:1)
Finally, some push-back! Now get them one more time for promoting, then suddenly banning the sharing of family accounts among friends!
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You can hardly blame a streaming service for not wanting multiple households from using one $20 account. Then friends, give me a break. You cheapskates need to pay for it if you like the service so much.
I'm sure even after this, it will be profitable for Netflix to operate in Italy, but I'm sure there is some calculus to be done that says, nope, screw this place, we're out. Let them get their own streaming if they don't like what Netflix has to offer.
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Let them get their own streaming if they don't like what Netflix has to offer.
They like what Netflix has to offer. Netflix if #1 in Streaming in Italy with 27% market share https://www.vogon.today/econom... [www.vogon.today]
What now? (Score:2)
Unless I'm missing something, this ruling is just plain weird. Does contract law work differently in Italy?
This is not a long term contract. If Netflix was offering a price for, say, a two year commitment, then I get the objection to arbitrarily changing the terms. But to my knowledge, they are month to month, meaning the contract is for the month, and by agreement a new contract is created each month
Going back to those previous contracts seems like nonsense.
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Re:What now? (Score:5, Informative)
But to my knowledge, they are month to month, meaning the contract is for the month, and by agreement a new contract is created each month
No, it's not: it's a subscription contract that lasts until one of the parties terminates it. This means the contract lasts effectively indefinitely but can be terminated or in some aspects modified during its course without having to agree to a full new contract agreement, which the consumer would have to actively accept every time.
The issue is that for these contracts the law does allow for modifications without requiring a full new contract agreement every time, but the clauses in the contract need to be specific about what can be changed and why and cannot give the provider too much unilateral power. The clause Netflix was using from 2017 to April 2025 were instead very generic, giving Netflix basically unlimited power to unilaterally change the price without justification.
In the Italian system clauses like these, which give a party significant unilateral power over the other party, are called "vessatorie" (vexatious) and are void unless individually accepted and signed by the other party on top of the contract containing them. In case of online contracts this might require a separate digital signature for each individual clause.
Note that a proper digital signature would otherwise not be required for an online contract not containing these type of clauses, which can be accepted by a consumer by simply clicking on a consent box. This means having these clauses makes an online contract much more problematic to accept.
Since the clauses Netflix was using to increase prices were found to be "vexatious" and were not accepted with individual signature, they were found to be void. Since they were void, Netflix could not use them as basis to increase the prices. After April 2025 Netflix introduced clauses that were considered not vexatious and Netflix can increase prices based on them.
as if it's limited to Neflix (Score:2)
700 eur per day (Score:1)
OK then... (Score:2)
How much will it cost Netflix to "inform millions of current and former customers via email, mail, its website, and Italian newspapers of their right to refunds." If doing so would cost Netflix more than $700/day, then they'll just pay the fine. My guess is Italy just gained a new penalty subscriber.