Are Checks Sent Through the Mail Vulnerable to Theft? (nytimes.com) 178
The New York Times tells the story of a 63-year-old retiree who wrote a check for several thousand dollaras to pay her taxes. But she discovered much later that her taxes were never paid because that check had been intercepted and then altered to be payable to someone else:
In some cases, thieves may pilfer one or more checks from local mailboxes. Adam Rust, director of financial services for the Consumer Federation of America, said thieves sometimes "fish" for checks at free-standing drop boxes, using long tools with sticky pads on the ends to grab letters. In other cases, more sophisticated criminals may steal large batches of checks, copy them and then sell them on the internet. Often, the purloined checks are chemically altered in what's known as "check washing" to remove the name of the recipient. The thief replaces it with a fraudulent name, and often increases the amount of the check, before cashing or depositing it.
The 63-year-old retiree's bank told her she'd waited too long to recover the funds: Schwab's "security guarantee," outlined on its website , says that "Schwab will cover losses in any of your Schwab accounts due to unauthorized activity." But fine print at the bottom of the page notes that reimbursement "requires your timely reporting of unauthorized activity to Schwab," and that Schwab "will not be liable for additional or increased losses resulting from a failure to report unauthorized activity in a timely manner." It notes that more details are available in account agreements... Notify your bank as soon as possible, said Scott Anchin, senior vice president of strategic initiatives and policy at the independent bankers association. Banks generally allow at least 30 days and sometimes up to 90 days from the time your statement is made available to you to report suspected check fraud, he said.
So how can you avoid check fraud? Adam Rust, director of financial services for the Consumer Federation of America, just suggests that "No one should ever mail a check." If you must write a check, he said, try to deliver it in person or take it inside a post office to mail rather than relying on your own mailbox or public drop boxes. The American Bankers Association recommends using permanent "gel" ink pens when you do write checks to reduce the risk of tampering... And if you don't already, consider using your bank's online bill payment service.
The article notes that even the U.S. federal government "has been moving away from paper checks for things like benefit payments and income tax refunds, saying digital payment methods are more secure."
The 63-year-old retiree's bank told her she'd waited too long to recover the funds: Schwab's "security guarantee," outlined on its website , says that "Schwab will cover losses in any of your Schwab accounts due to unauthorized activity." But fine print at the bottom of the page notes that reimbursement "requires your timely reporting of unauthorized activity to Schwab," and that Schwab "will not be liable for additional or increased losses resulting from a failure to report unauthorized activity in a timely manner." It notes that more details are available in account agreements... Notify your bank as soon as possible, said Scott Anchin, senior vice president of strategic initiatives and policy at the independent bankers association. Banks generally allow at least 30 days and sometimes up to 90 days from the time your statement is made available to you to report suspected check fraud, he said.
So how can you avoid check fraud? Adam Rust, director of financial services for the Consumer Federation of America, just suggests that "No one should ever mail a check." If you must write a check, he said, try to deliver it in person or take it inside a post office to mail rather than relying on your own mailbox or public drop boxes. The American Bankers Association recommends using permanent "gel" ink pens when you do write checks to reduce the risk of tampering... And if you don't already, consider using your bank's online bill payment service.
The article notes that even the U.S. federal government "has been moving away from paper checks for things like benefit payments and income tax refunds, saying digital payment methods are more secure."
Really? (Score:5, Interesting)
By 2026, mobile money in sub-Saharan Africa has processed hundreds of billions of dollars annually across dozens of countries. Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda, Ghana, Senegal, Côte d'Ivoire, all have thriving mobile money ecosystems where a market trader, a farmer, a domestic worker, anyone with a $15 phone can send and receive money instantly, securely, with a transaction record, no check, no bank, no signature, no piece of paper traveling through an unlocked box.
The richest country on earth, with the most sophisticated banking system, the most advanced technology companies, and essentially universal internet access, is still moving money by writing account details on paper, signing it, putting it in an envelope, dropping it in an unlocked metal box, waiting for a government employee to physically transport it, having it scanned at a processing centre, and clearing it through a multi-day settlement system.
A Kenyan goat farmer with a Nokia from 2009 completes the same transaction in four seconds.
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I was about to post a glib hypothetical question about which millennium this story was from, but I think you got it just about covered right there.
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dumb.
reduced payment methods is loss of freedom (Score:5, Insightful)
If we lose a method of paying for something, there is a loss of freedom.
Importantly, there is a loss of decades of pre-internet, pre-finance tech laws and court cases which protect the parties and individual citizens using that form of payment.
Forcing everyone to move to a "more convenient" form of payment lets the financial top 1% rewrite the laws and regulations to benefit them at the expense of a loss of freedom and protection for average citizens.
Removing the forms of payment lets big banks, the federal and state government, regulators, hedge funds, wall street, private equity and global NGOs get closer to tracking and having the power to "veto" any payment which disagrees with the politics, agenda or lobbyist favorites of the 1% and financial firms.
There are decades of VISA and Mastercard credit card payment systems allowing and profiting from credit card purchases at certain types of stores, and now that it is convenient and fits a political agenda, they cut off those stores from accepting VISA or Matercard credit card purchases.
We do not want a loss of freedom where every purchase is tracked, has a micro-tax/fee added to it, is used to profile the sell and buyer and to feed into a larger mass watching of each person.
It someone says "more-convenient" the first question should be "Who profits from this?" and the second should be "Which loss of freedom is this?".
And, when there is a natural disaster, electronic hack, or loss of freedom due to a military invasion of a country, how will people purchase food and water?
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I love the part where will4's reason to hang on to cheques rely on the fear of foreign military invasion of the country, and how cheques are going to save the USA when that happens.
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Then why did the US give up paying in cash?
Regulations rewrite (Score:4, Informative)
Rewriting the regulations from the beginning to the end for the new payment methods allows the current crop of top of the finical and banking industry, lobbyists, NGOs, government agencies to get the new laws and regulations to favor them over the individual citizen's rights.
Reduced number of payment methods gets into the negatives of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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I can make a bank to bank transfer that clears in an hour to any bank account in my country from my phone and there's no additional fee. I haven't seen a cheque in 35 years. Our banks don't accept them as a form of payment, just as we can longer take a horse and cart to the mall.
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I haven't seen a cheque in 35 years. Our banks don't accept them as a form of payment, just as we can longer take a horse and cart to the mall.
I love how you assume your entire country must work the way YOU do. You assume that because YOU haven't written a cheque that banks must not accept them.
Newsflash. He/she may not be from the same country as you. The situation described in the post IS the reality in most of the developed countries.
Read e.g. about Finland here: https://www.expat-finland.com/... [expat-finland.com]
"Top Tip: Forget about using cheques / checks in Finland! Checks have not been in use for over 25 years."
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In my country (Denmark), you can not use checks.
We have more than one pay electronic, and can still use cash.
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I don't know why people think banking is free.
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who you work for?
Re:Really? (Score:4, Insightful)
The funny bit is where you assume you have to pay a fee. Not in the rest of the world. For example, in the UK, I can make a payment to any other UK individual or institution without no transaction fee, and it happens instantly.
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> I don't know why people think banking is free.
Because you've been brain washed into thinking so - over decades. The US banking system is one of the worst there is - you pay fees for everything, everything is slow, requires unnecessary in-person or with-some-specific-artefact activity, and you get paid no interest on anything useful. Even opening an account is an exercise in self-harm. Things get even worse (by a significant amount) if you try and set up a business bank account.
Elsewhere in the world, w
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anyone with a $15 phone can send and receive money instantly, securely,
eSims. We got your phone number. Didn't even have to steal a physical thing.
Re: Really? (Score:2)
I don't need a sim for money transfers, all I need is a network connection, even via wifi.
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because that it not what the security is based on.
2FA. Everyone asks for it. Some demand it.
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It's amazing how people in the US are so committed to the bit that they dream up these theoretical objections to how something will work despite having had no actual experience using it, while ignoring the actual lived experience of people who do use it. There's no fees. It's secure. Sit down and stop self-soothing in public, it's uncouth
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But since i can't send cash in the mail, ...
You can, it's not illegal, but you really, really shouldn't.
Re:Really? (Score:4, Insightful)
What are you *talking* about? Why would a check not be "captive to regulations that change" where an electronic transfer would be? Fees don't get charged in the civilised worlld outside the US for electronic transfers. There's no exorbitant interest rates on unpaid balances, the transfer is instant. There's no late payments, the transfer is instant. Quite the opposite: a check can get lost in the mail, an electronic transfer can't.
It's incredible watching Americans talk about systems they know nothing of.
Re:Really? (Score:4, Insightful)
I agree with all of nospan07's comment, except for the "most sophisticated banking system".
I can only assume that, like most Americans, they are unaware of how primitive the US banking system actually is compared with most of the rest of the world.
It's also bizarrely splintered along state lines, afaik.
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I agree with all of nospan07's comment, except for the "most sophisticated banking system".
I can only assume that, like most Americans, they are unaware of how primitive the US banking system actually is compared with most of the rest of the world.
It's also bizarrely splintered along state lines, afaik.
I took "sophisticated" to mean "needlessly complex" and it's deliberately kept so to keep out competition. Such complexity is also why it's primitive in comparison to all other developed economies and many developing ones.
Also, isn't "facilitating interstate trade" the purview of the US federal government? If so, they seem completely unwilling to do anything.
Re:Really? (Score:4, Informative)
Any American who believes this should try living overseas for a year or two. The US banking system is insanely backwards. Numerous aspects of the US medical and government systems as well. It's hard to explain it to you unless you experience it.
Checks are just one symptom (in Iceland, 15 years ago bank tellers would look at you weird and have to get the manager if you had a personal check, and 10 years ago, stopped taking them altogether). For like 15-20 years, we've had free instant bank-to-bank money transfers (no third party involved), everyone on the same service, to the point that if someone is collecting money for a gift for a coworker's birthday, it's always been, they just send an email with their bank details, instead of going around and collecting cash. All your bills - all of them - just show up in your bank's inbox. On and on.
I mentioned the medical system. Let me give a random example. In the US, you go to a doctor and they determine you need a prescription. They or their receptionist have to ask what pharmacy you want it at. It gets routed through SecureScripts (before that, it was all phone based!), and depending, you may also need to also call into the pharmacy before you go there - and if you need it "transferred", it's a multihour process. Here? The doctor just jots it into their computer, that's it. You can literally just walk out of the doctor's office into the pharmacy next door (or any other pharmacy), tell them your name, and they go grab your order.
Everything is connected. Everything is interoperable. All keyed to your kennitala (ID number) . And the kennitala is only a key, not a password. The fact that a SSN in the US is treated as both a key and a password is insane, from a security standpoint; by contrast, you can just post your kennitala online, it's fine. We have multiple actual authentication methods. The most convenient is the Auðkenni system. Our SIM cards store credentials in a separate cryptographic chip. When we need 2FA, for any business or government agency (all on the same system), it sends a special SMS that the phone routes to the SIM card to process, and then (at the OS level) pops up an authentication dialogue, so we have universal 2FA, linked to our kennitala, in all of our phones. It's been this way for like 15+ years.
Or let's talk taxes. You all know what it's like in America, so let's explain what it's like in Iceland. I get an email letting me know it's tax time. I go to the tax office website. I get 2FA login via my phone. My tax forms are right there. They're already filled out, with all of the information already collected. For like 90% of the population, it's just click through, verify it's correct, and submit. Some people may have some things that weren't logged, such as overseas investments or whatnot, but for most people, it's like a five minute process.
On and on. It's been so weird seeing America getting things 1-2 decades after us and acting like, "wow, we're leading in banking technology!", etc. No, you're an aged dinosaur, way behind the rest of the world because none of your systems work together and you're so slow to adapt to change.
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And I want to be clear in the above: I fully acknowledge the irony, in that the US tech industry has been a powerhouse. There seems to be a massive disconnect in the US between tech innovation and tech infrastructure. The US is a world-leader in the former. It's consistently a deep laggard on the latter. The reasons why the US has so much trouble getting its act together on infrastructure and systems are complex, but it is remarkable to see, as someone who has spent their life in a mix of the US and Ic
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(One also needs to realize the scale and size of the US - the complete European continent is about 10% larger by area than the US - and I'm sure your systems don't work seamlessly from the UK through Russia and Turkieye and the Stans. And in some ways, a smaller country is easier to standardize - because Canada has some standard ways of sending money because that's all we had and by the time the US got interested it was too late to beat e-transfers.
The US has a single centralised government with a single currency, Europe is not. The closest thing it has is the EU which covers a significant portion of the continent and then the eurozone inside that which covers most of the EU.
Despite that the EU does have centralised payment systems that let you send money instantly and without fees throughout the euro zone.
The *stans are mostly in asia, with only a very small part of kazakhstan considered to be in europe.
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Re: Really? (Score:5, Informative)
This is just ridiculous cope. The UK has this, with a population of 70m, as does Germany with a population of 84m, and France with a population of 70m. It's nothing to do with size, or any other random factor you can think of. The UK's banking system is much older than the US's, and yet has managed to drag itself into the era of instant free electronic payments.
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Explain SEPA then.
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Being big is an advantage, not a disadvantage. It means that the costs to develop a system are spread across a much larger population. Everything we have had to be developed on a comparably minuscule budget.
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Also, we're not a "homogeneous population", you can stop with your pro-racism stereotypes. Immigrants are 20% of our population.
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The richest country on earth, with the most sophisticated banking system,... is still moving money by writing account details on paper, signing it, putting it in an envelope,
Wait until you hear about their measurement system. And how about the Electoral College that appoints the president?
Their healthcare system still uses fax machines. And ask an American how much fun it is lodging income tax returns.
Pennies and dollar bills. Magnetic stripes on credit cards.
Its mind-boggling how the country that leads the world in new technologies, can also uniquely among developed nations, still be living in last century with some important technologies.
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The thing is, paper checks are more secure in two specific scenarios:
- Transferring a large amount of money between two businesses with no prior relationship (Keep in mind that this is primarily a problem with US small businesses)
- Transferring any amount to a foreign individual. Because all the f**king banks want to keep like 30% of it. Even Western Union wants to keep like 10% of it.
So the best way to make sure the intermediatory isn't eating the funds up in fees is to make sure you get the check in the h
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It is so obvious that many smug posters have zero real-life experience. Just because you read about something on the internet does not mean that you understand it.
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By 2026, mobile money in sub-Saharan Africa has processed hundreds of billions of dollars annually across dozens of countries. Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda, Ghana, Senegal, Côte d'Ivoire, all have thriving mobile money ecosystems where a market trader, a farmer, a domestic worker, anyone with a $15 phone can send and receive money instantly, securely, with a transaction record, no check, no bank, no signature, no piece of paper traveling through an unlocked box.
The richest country on earth, with the most sophisticated banking system, the most advanced technology companies, and essentially universal internet access, is still moving money by writing account details on paper, signing it, putting it in an envelope, dropping it in an unlocked metal box, waiting for a government employee to physically transport it, having it scanned at a processing centre, and clearing it through a multi-day settlement system.
A Kenyan goat farmer with a Nokia from 2009 completes the same transaction in four seconds.
Complexity is the problem with the US banking system, it's being deliberately kept that way to keep outsiders out. There aren't any US based challenger banks [wikipedia.org] and the big bois have been killing off the old local banks and building societies.
The US government isn't powerless, but gormless to stop it and do what other countries have done and create a seamless system for interbank transfers. They're quite happy to turn a blind eye to it to keep the donations from the big banks coming through.
I can send mo
Re: Really? (Score:2)
Leap-frogging technology (Score:2)
Speaking of cell phones, I understand this is precisely what happened regarding land-line phones in developing
US bank account (Score:5, Informative)
I'm not in or from the USA but I have a bank account at a US bank for the purpose of paying US based suppliers.
I interact with that account through the bank's website and can transfer money directly to it from my main bank account and make payments from that account through their website.
When I initially set up the account I assumed that those payments would be some kind of an electronic funds transfer.
Nope.
You enter the mailing address for each payee, and they print and mail a physical cheque to them from the bank.
Really.
Everything about the transaction is through their website right up to the point that they print and mail a cheque. And I still find that amazing.
Re: US bank account (Score:2)
I find it depressing that the US is so much behind
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Maybe you should read "Huckleberry Finn". I think that Samuel Clemens also found that the US was backward in his time.
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It is even worse. The USPS doesn't even guarantee delivery, contrary to their own regulations.
Even if they do deliver it, the "standard" is now 5 to 14 business days to deliver 1st class (standard) mail.
They are supposed to scan every email so they can track it from the source. They don't. She scan it at Outgoing side from the processing center. Even then it may take days before it gets postmarked. The system is failing. Fast.
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You enter the mailing address for each payee, and they print and mail a physical cheque to them from the bank.
This is called Online-to-Offline (O2O), I heard that Japan have this to perfection, e.g. you register for an event on their website, they email you a QR code, you would think you should this QR code on your phone to enter the event? Nope, you need to print out the email and hand in the physical paper with the printed QR code to enter.
Not to mention entering data into a spreadsheet then print it out to fax to the recipient.
I think US banks have a lot to learn from the Japanese, LOL.
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You might want to consider wiring the money from your non-US bank directly to the recipients. However, even this can be fraught with problems.
Some US banks cannot accept incoming international wires, instead it has to go though an intermediary. In one case, I sent some money to a relative in the US from my UK bank. I tested the setup by sending $100, then sent a larger amount. The $100 that I sent was credited to my relative's account, then a couple of days later (after I had sent the larger amount), they t
Unfortunately (Score:5, Insightful)
That was the neighborhood advice going around our area 1-2 years ago. I myself was skeptical that mail theft was going on as I had dealt with the Postal Police when managing an e-commerce site and I knew they are very good at finding things like this. Unfortunately it turned out (1) I was wrong: there was mail theft going on in our neighborhood but (2) everyone else was wrong too: the mail wasn't being stolen from blue boxes; it was being lifted from the bins behind the slot in our postal service center. The perps were eventually caught but it took far longer than I would have thought.
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Yup. Talked about this before.
Company I distribute products for used to use FedEx. There were issues. Other distributors, and - I assume - customers complained about them. Owner ended up talking to USPS and I think DeJoy, who sold him on a bunch of promises. Lemme tell you things got worse before they eventually, kind of, got better. Things still aren't perfect, but apparently there's been enough complaints that we got an email last week that there's a "test run" using Amazon logistics. We'll see how that g
Yes. (Score:2)
This happened to us a couple of years ago - check to the IRS intercepted, washed, and redirected. Nearly cost us a fortune. We caught it in time, and were able to get the IRS paid and get the fraud reversed.
Never pay the IRS with a check. Credit card, ACH wire transfer, or EFTPS for us from then on.
Re:Yes. (Score:5, Funny)
Betteridge just shit his pants.
Since The Dawn Of Time (Score:2)
Check fraud has been around since the dawn of time. Well, since the dawn of checks anyway.
Whether it's forgery, fraudulent deposits, check washing, theft from mailboxes... These have all existed for centuries. Literally nothing new. But, much more importantly, these events are such a small percentage of overall check processing that there is no incentive to change the system or process. Neither form the banks nor the check users.
Those banks that are pushing digital transactions aren't doing it because of ch
Key Fact Left Out of TFS (Score:2)
TFS neglects to mention it, but in the article it's clear why the 63-year old retiree didn't get their money back: they waited 10 months(!) to report the problem.
What is a "Check"? (Score:3)
And what is "the mail"?
Seriously, last time I held a "check" was some 20 years ago and it was from an US organization. My local bank here (Europe) told me after some confusion that they had an expert that knew how to get these cashed and a partnership with an US bank. They did not even bother to charge extra for the work, because this apparently happened very rarely.
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You are so awesome!
Yay!
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Being deeply stuck in the past is not something to be proud of.
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So you're trying to be not awesome in the future?
Awww.
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Yeah, but do you have AC?
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Yes. I do not share the irrational fear of AC. I do note that the mobile ACs I have (redundancy is an engineering way-of-life) are currently all sold out. I got mine very cheap in the winter, dynamic pricing and foresight for the win.
What I do not have is an apartment where I can do a non-improvised installation. On the plus-side, because my apartment is minimum-energy, I can delay running AC by a few days when it starts to get hot and according to the usual estimates, the AC takes about half the energy it
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Lucky for you. My employer now charges a 2.9% fee on all Credit and Debit card transactions. We are seeing more and more checks because people don't want to pay that fee. Businesses especially.
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No surprise. You probably had to find an intermediate bank that had some agreement with another bank in Europe. Although with Canada growing closer to Europe, that problem might go away in the future.
An entire syndicate got busted (Score:2)
Even the bank tellers that were in to cash those checks
Ah paper checks (Score:2)
A time which has come and gone (At least, outside of the USA).
The United States has a bunch of banks with vested interests in payment systems. They all want those juicy transaction fees on all payments. They couldn't eliminate paper checks so they let them slide (Remember when some banks used to charge per-check fees as a profit center?).
We we ever have a near-instantaneous payment system similar to what the European Union has? Probably not. There's too much profit in those transaction fees.
Fed Now was supp
Didn't checks disappear before the turn of the cen (Score:2)
Six of one... (Score:2)
100% of every thousandth payment taken, vs. 3% of every single payment....
Checks are for??? (Score:2)
The only time I have written a physical check in the past 5 years is for a present. You write it, stick it in a card and hand deliver it.
I cannot see any reason not to use some form of electronic payment for anything but a birthday/Christmas present.
Venmo, Zelle, ApplePay, Paypal, login to your bank account and wire the money,
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5 years? I did get a checkbook when I opened my first bank account around 1990, but I have never used one. At the time I couldn't believe they were actually giving me checks. I mean, not in 1990?
How many checks? (Score:2)
I remember a story a while back, diamond couriers were losing too many packages due to theft. Their solution? Send the diamonds via regular mail.
Losses in the mail were tiny compared to targeted thefts.
I wonder if it's mail that's the problem, or if it's banks cashing checks they really shouldn't and trying to blame their customers for the banks own negligence.
Bill pay is an option (Score:2)
For recipients that require checks, such as some government agencies, bill pay is better than regular checks. This is true even if the bank prints and sends a paper check, because the bank guarantees delivery of the money.
Rollover checks. (Score:2)
My former employer's 401(k) custodian won't do an EFT for rolling over my 401(k). The ONLY option is a snail mail check sent through untracked first class mail. It's like they WANT you to lose your money. Imagine getting what most people would consider a large fortune of money in your unlocked mailbox that anyone can take out and doesn't have to be signed for on delivery.
There's already a case where someone doing a rollover lost their funds because of washing of an intercepted rollover check and the last I
You guys still use checks? (Score:2)
I thought you did innovation and stuff. Lol
Of course, not! (Score:2)
Those checks are impossible to be intercepted and are the most secure way of sending money.
Europeans are totally crazy by using those so-called "wire transfers".
Why do you still use checks? (Score:2)
Why on earth does the USA still cling to the use of checks?
"Here, I'm going to write down an IOU on this piece of paper to pay for the thing" - uh, yeah, sure, and now I have to trust that the check (that has nowhere near the security features of actual currency) is legit, and that you are going to have money in your account at the time I try to deposit it.
Like, seriously?
What's wrong with electronic funds transfers? They're instant, don't have any fees and I can see the money in my bank account within seco
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No fees? In the US 90+% of all banks and credit unions charge a fee, per transaction and a percentage, of all transfers. Many businesses roll it into their pricing, but now with these fees changing every 6 months or more, business are breaking the fee out to show people their cost. Besides "fees" are less regulated than overall pricing. You can add fees for just bout anything and get away with it, so the processors do. "Electronic cost recovery fee", "Processing Fee" (the original cost per transaction
Okay for smaller amounts (Score:2)
I did mail checks to pay utilities, like my electric & phone bills. Automatic withdrawals didn't work due to irregularities on when I might get the money, so that's what I did
But for taxes, I'd never mail a check. I'd do an electronic money transfer, supervised by the tax preparer (I used H&R Block until my tax consultant retired some years ago). Essentially, if the amount is too big, I wouldn't use a check
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>"In some cases, thieves may pilfer one or more checks from local mailboxes."
This is one reason why I drop all my outgoing mail (mostly bills) into a locked US Postal Service box at work, rather than mailing from home.
The US still has checks? (Score:3)
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Remember the per-check charges banks used to have on some checking accounts before electronic transactions were widespread? These could come back. Also stores could start charging a fee to accept cash as it is a logistical headache.
All of this points to a severe need for a zero or low fee transaction system. FedNow was supposed to be this, but the big banks refuse to adopt it.
Online bill pay also fails (Score:2)
consider using your bank's online bill payment service
Which is fine until the financial institution eff's that up. I've had checks get lost in the mail so I avoid sending them where possible and do most payments on-line. One of my utilities won't let you pay on-line unless you agree to stop printed statements, which I don't want to do (plus their web site sucks...) So I thought I'd try on-line bill pay through my credit union. A month later I received another statement that failed to show my payment. I asked my credit union for any data they had on the tr
The DOJ says so (Score:2)
Apparently some of the mail they recovered was from when I was dealing with my mom's estate. Probate courts usually order that everything is paid by check so that there is a paper trail.
The DOJ were not amused when I called and asked if they could do an NFA transfer of the machin
Checks can be be useful. (Score:2)
Handed directly to recipient institutions or individuals they serve as a firewall against online account compromise.
Checks have use when internet is interrupted during natural disasters and I have so used them. I've never had a check problem in my many decades on the planet because I think before writing. I bank locally and those I pay are protected thereby.
Redundant payment methods including cash come in handy. I keep a couple thousand (small enough to lose, large enough to be useful) bucks handy because b
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Ballots? No. Just do it.
Don't worry. The current regime has plan in place to simply not deliver mailed ballots in states that have any chance of going against your desired outcome.
To paraphrase the apocryphal Stalin: Altering one ballot is a felony. Shitcanning a million ballots is a statistic.
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And sometime, in the distant future, the Nazis on the Supreme Court will also care about the Constitution. Until then, we're all screwed.
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At least 90% of everything the Federal government does is obviously unconstitutional
And how do you know that?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postal_Clause [wikipedia.org]
Article I, Section 8, Clause 7, of the United States Constitution, the Postal Clause, authorizes the establishment of "post offices and post roads"[1] by the country's legislature, the Congress. As one of Congress's enumerated powers listed in the Constitution's first article, the clause has been invoked as the constitutional basis for the United States Post Office Department and its successor, the United States Postal Service.
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Re:Checks? Yes. Just don't do it. (Score:5, Insightful)
It's my understanding that there's almost no ballot fraud happening at all through any means.
At least nobody has ever shown any actual evidence that it's a significant or consequential issue.
That is absolutely not true (Score:4, Informative)
Oh you meant those dastardly (or was it dumbocrats, I don't remember the results of the presidential poll)
And yes the president of the United States held a poll to determine whether he should call Democrats demoncrats or dumbocrats. I will remind everyone that we are at War. Also that the price of gas is on track to shoot to $15 a gallon if that dumbass in the oval Office doesn't hand the 300 billion dollars to the Iranian government. I guess he could also do a draft and send 2 million of us to die.
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At least once a week a republican gets caught altering a couple of ballots. So there's lots of Republican ballot fraud.
While those are generally funny and ironic stories, even they are not examples of any fraud that has any affect in any meaningful capacity even in districts with the narrowest of margins.
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The real fraud is county level voter suppression. Look up who your county recorder is and tend to one they are a republican. You will have to do some digging to find that out because they are actively trying to hide their party affiliation and most counties do not make the recorder a partisan race even though it is an extremely partisan race.
Wit
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*Citation needed
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No.
Re:Checks? Yes. Just don't do it. (Score:5, Informative)
Almost all ballot fraud happens through the mail.
Almost all misinformation about ballot fraud happens when republicans are trying to disenfranchise voters. Registered democrats outnumber registered republicans in this country, so preventing people from voting is a key strategy of the GOP.
Re:Checks? Yes. Just don't do it. (Score:5, Informative)
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Which means nothing because there are a LOT more registered independent voters than either Democrat or Republican. And when figure in way the independents "lean" the majority flips back to Republicans, although its very close.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/6... [gallup.com]
Re:Checks? Yes. Just don't do it. (Score:5, Informative)
The Republicans and the Trump administration are the ones working to disenfranchise voters right now.
They are demanding state voting lists so that they can target the areas where there are more Democrats.
And there's this blatant plan to have the USPS block mail-in ballots in some situations:
https://www.reuters.com/world/... [reuters.com]
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Yeah, but it's $10 or so while a letter is around $0.80.
Were the check for $20 it wouldn't be worth it until you know that checkwashing is a thing.
Our Boomers wrote checks in 1960 so they write checks today.
And the banking sector is lousy with fiscal parasites who are all trying to extract rents from everybody so there is no smooth banking payment system.
Third parties like Paypal are notorious for seizing accounts without due process sp they are avoided for anything substantial.
Where I live Bitcoin Cash is