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Motorola's 2027 Flagships Will Officially Support GrapheneOS (gsmarena.com) 69

Posted by BeauHD from the going-mainstream dept.
Motorola is working with GrapheneOS to officially support the privacy-focused Android alternative on its 2027 flagship phones, starting with a non-folding model and later expanding to the next Razr Fold and Razr Ultra. "These will ship with Motorola's normal Android skin, but you will be able to switch to GrapheneOS later if you want to," notes GSMArena.com. GrapheneOS says the devices will "meet or exceed" its hardware and update requirements, and will include seven years of "proper updates." Interestingly, Motorola will be doing much of the porting work itself.

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  • WTF /.? An autoplaying AWS ad just showed up!

    PRICKS!

    • I can recommend Ublock Origin, Privacy Badger and NoScript used together, they sure quiet this place down.

      • Drinkypoo gave me a filter setting that fixed up UBO for a while, but then I tried to block one of the new banners. Ever since, I have to turn it off or I can't see the comment reply page. Same result if I block scripts. Though I haven't tried that with NoScript. I've been sticking with just UBO and PB.

        I can put up with some ads, but a popup video? Bridge too far!

  • Looking for new markets (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Qbertino ( 265505 ) <moiraNO@SPAMmodparlor.com> on Tuesday August 25, 2026 @11:24AM (#66306190)

    This is Motorola looking for new markets in mid- to upper range phones. It's not the dumbest move to go after opinion leaders that know what GrapheneOS is and how to install it. Good for reputation too.

  • My phone pin and my wipe pin are only one number off. I must have forgotten. Oopsie! ;-D
    • No, don't do that! First, turn off biometrics (face/finger), because they can make you use those to unlock it. Then, just say you forgot your PIN and were going to call support about it when you got home. Note that this may not work if they just saw you using it.

      The wipe code is best saved for when you're already screwed - being arrested anyhow, someone is hitting you with a wrench, etc.

      Come to think of it, the only real use cases I can come up with is when you're in custody and what's on your phon

      • Better Idea. Open source = Mod the device to show an alternate partitioned OS when a certain PIN is entered, filled with nothing but cat memes, grocery lists, and texts to your mother ;-D

        • My idea exactly... or, dual-boot it, have both boots look identical but your main user partition is undetectable by the alternate (and its setup to look like a normal used phone).
          Although, I like your idea.

      • Type your wipe pin on a label and glue it on the back of your phone. "Hide" it in a very obvious, idiotic way, e.g. below the shock absorbing cover.

        Or be particularly "smart" about it, scratch it into the cover.

        Some wannabe hacker law enforcement idiot sooner or later is bound to try it out.

        Not your fault they've destroyed evidence.

      • IANAL, but don't lie and say you forgot your PIN/password. It is a crime to lie to a cop. Instead, just refuse to give it to them because you don't have to.

        • Yes, you're correct. That said, they have to prove you lied and won't be able to. So long as you don't immediately unlock your phone while they can still see you.

  • Apps that break from using it (Score:3)

    by DrXym ( 126579 ) on Tuesday August 25, 2026 @11:33AM (#66306208)
    Anything that uses the device integrity / attestation services of Play won't work - banking apps, digital keys, government apps, crypto wallets, transit / ticketing apps etc.

    • Re:Apps that break from using it (Score:5, Informative)

      by sabbede ( 2678435 ) on Tuesday August 25, 2026 @12:03PM (#66306238)
      The you're probably interested in this: https://grapheneos.org/article... [grapheneos.org]

      There's a list of specific applications that ban Graphene, with links so you can complain about it. There aren't actually that many, and the only one I use is Authy.

      • Outright ban is one thing, but Graphene OS signing keys are not cross-signed by Google which means that you'll never meet strong integrity, which is completely different from some apps selectively banning Graphene OS as an OS.

        Forget about your banking apps, Google Wallet, and all the other categories mentioned by the parent post. Even some parking apps refuse to work without strong integrity these days.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        Macdonalds banned Graphene OS? Okay Ronald.

        Aegis is a better alternative to Authy. Open source.

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by DrXym ( 126579 )
          If some shitty McDonalds app is broken then that's a minor inconvenience. But if your bank / payments don't work, or you can't board a plane because of the app's protection then that's a serious problem. And while people might moan than apps use attestation, they have their reasons which are obvious in most cases.

          We could argue that Google should provide attestation for "curated" forks and I'd be favourable to the idea. But until it happens, GrapheneOS is not something normal people should use. It breaks

          • Well, there is another attestation API already built into Android, and that's the one Graphene uses. The page I linked discusses it and says it is the better one. I can't attest to that though.

            I did a quick search and there are a number of banks that support Graphene. And apparently, you can have a sandboxed version of Play that will let most of the rest work.

            Oh, and for whatever reason it's only the international version of the McDonald's app that doesn't work. The US version does.

        • The international version of the McDonald's app. The US one works on Graphene. Why? I couldn't possibly say.

          I don't consider open source to be an inherent advantage. Especially since it's running on an iPhone (not going to alter, recompile, and sideload it). Is there some other way in which Aegis is better?

          • Re: (Score:2)

            by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

            I don't know if Aegis if available for iPhone. It lets to backup and export to the destination of your choice, so you can use your own cloud or just do it offline.

            • It is available for iPhones, looks pretty much the same as all the rest. I guess it's probably a personal preference thing.

        • How will they ever catch the Hamburglar if he's running GrapheneOS?

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by DrXym ( 126579 )
        They're not "banning" Graphene, they're using a convenient device / app attestation as a security mitigation and Graphene happens to break it.

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by bn-7bc ( 909819 )
          You're technically right, but the practical result is the same, the phone is morevor less useless ( ti the user) whirhout app x ( be it banking, digital id or whatever ) if that/ those app(s) refuse to run on Graphene ( or the backend refuses to authorise the device ) Graphene might as well be banned for all the user cares.
      • The real worry are government applets: According to user reviews, Australia's MyGov applet is shit and no-one is using it. I see their log-on web-page can install/access a passkey on the phone.
        • Worry in what way? That they won't work, that they exist at all, or that they suck?

          And are you saying that it is a problem that it can create a passkey, or that creating the passkey (presumably through the Play API) is what won't work on Graphene?

          • ... that they exist at all ...

            Web-pages and chat-bots are much cheaper than employees. The worry is, being forced to use a phone that is compliant with government applets and spying. That also happened in Australia where phones that don't support emergency location-pings were disconnected from the network.

            ....won't work on Graphene?

            Yes, and since Passkey passwords are available in the browser, the government doesn't have to force an applet onto every resident's phone. Such a demand suggests the government is more interested in surveillance than providing easy

            • Elaborate on emergency location pings. In the States, phones have to be e911 compatible so that when you call for emergency services you get the right cops/firefighters/ambulances. Europe has the same thing. Is that what you mean?

              On my phone, I think I have to give it my thumb to use a passkey.

              I don't know much about what's going on in Australia, but I do hear the occasional report of rights going away. People punished for speech, that sort of thing. That seems to have been happening a lot in the

              • Yes, Australia recently implemented a similar system but permission is not needed.

                During the War on Terror, both sides of government approved over 60 laws restricting the freedom (rights) of people, allowing the government to plant 'evidence' or spyware, and enabling "civil forfeiture" robbery. As a commonwealth nation, individual rights are a matter of precedent not written acts, so it was easy for government to declare once permissible actions (Eg. right to protest), a crime. While removal of people'

  • Not only is Motorola the company that's still putting in all the old features I still care about, but they are very very willing to let you unlock the bootloader to install custom firmware.

    • Everyone is always amazed when I casually bust out the "twist for camera" or "tap for flashlight" features. I wonder if Moto has somehow copyrighted or trademarked it, because otherwise it makes no sense that Google hasn't copied them into base Android by now.

  • The same Motorola that has cozy relationships with law enforcement? The sector that makes a significant chunk of their bread and butter?

    Yea.... I'm not sure they're to be trusted with the porting....

    • Re:Motorola...? (Score:5, Informative)

      by mrclevesque ( 1413593 ) on Tuesday August 25, 2026 @05:59PM (#66306910)

      > The same Motorola that has cozy relationships with law enforcement?

      The original Motorola, Inc. was split in two.

      Motorola Mobility (The Smartphone Company) is the consumer phone division that was spun off during the 2011 split. It was briefly bought by Google in 2012 and was subsequently sold to the Chinese technology giant Lenovo in 2014. Today, Motorola Mobility is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Lenovo.

      while

      Motorola Solutions (The Law Enforcement Tech Company) is the direct legal successor to the original company. It is an American-owned, publicly traded corporation based in Chicago. It focuses exclusively on police radios, body cameras, surveillance systems, and government software. It does not make consumer smartphones.

    • Did you mean Chinese law enforment ( offices in USA ). The CCP owns/controls Motorola just like their sock-puppet LENOVA owns IBM-PCs. Oh yeah BTW: enjoy that CCP  bacon ... even with the bat+dog after-taste.

  • What good is a phone supporting Graphene OS id the operating system itself doesn't support strong integrity in Play Integrity API and won't allow you to run your banking, wallet or other sensitive apps? Even some parking apps outright refuse to work if you don't meet strong integrity.

    • Maybe try knowing what you're talking about first. My bank's app, Paypal, Venmo, and all of the major MFA apps work fine on Graphene.

  • I've had a Pixel 6 for a while but haven't screwed up the courage to install LineageOS because I bricked the last Pixel I tried it on. So it's just been gathering dust - I won't use it with stock Android. I plan to take the plunge when I'm on vacation in a few weeks; fingers crossed...

    So my personal phone - the one I most care about - is still a Samsung A5 from 2017, with LineageOS. And the truly ancient Samsung I was using as a business phone died, so my wife handed me her old iPhone. I swear at it every t

  • EU (Score:3)

    by nicubunu ( 242346 ) on Wednesday August 26, 2026 @01:38AM (#66307368) Homepage

    To have a chance in the EU, this upcoming Motorola-GrapheneOS combo must be able to run the upcoming EUDI Wallets, so far it doesn't.

  • ... doing much of the porting work itself.

    Samsung started doing this for TizenOS and it was brilliant. As Android got bigger and the Samsung cloud was ignored, Samsung lost interest and restricted TizenOS to the locked-down smart-Tv. eco-system.

    As much as I want to move away from Google's enshittification, the available replacement OSs have some large caveats before one worries about device compatibility.

    • Sony still has their 'Open Devices' platform, focusing on Sailfish? They exited the Australian market some years ago, so I haven't seen an Xperia in many years.

      Pinephone is all but dead [pine64.org], so the era of open handsets appears at an end.

      But Lenovo going above and beyond here might have flow on effects for other projects through documentation.

  • If there is not a headphone jack, I do not want it. Choices are getting MIGHTY slim nowadays.

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