British Firm Develops Invisible Speakers 82
somebody else
writes "According to this AP article on Yahoo!,
a British firm has developed a loudspeaker that can be heard,
but not seen. It uses glass or plexiglass panels that emit
sound through subtle vibrations. See-through speakers
should enable better sound on laptop computers, and use a
car windshield/windscreen to double as a stereo speaker"
Vorgon technology (Score:1)
Since when... (Score:1)
Inefficient as hell (Score:1)
Think I'll stick with traditional technology.
So What? This already exists... (Score:1)
"Transparent speakers" being revolutionary? I don't think so. This is just some company making a big media splash about electro-static speakers, that have been around since the 1940's. In fact, I have three "transparent" speakers at home already, the Martin Logan Cinema center speaker, and the reQuest mains.
i dunno (Score:1)
Actually it's sortof been done. They are electrostatic, or Magna-planar speakers. One of the largest manu. is Martin Logan, http://www.martinlogan.com . Basically it's the same concept, but with a sheet of metal.
Heh (Score:1)
It won't work. (Score:1)
Trust me it works (Score:1)
I was lucky enough to goto a seminar given this morning by Dr. Graham Bank, one of the chief design engineers at NXT, (one of the few perks of doing an Msc at Essex university in the UK).
The speakers are seriously impressive. He showed us a laptop that had a pair of the DML speakers as slideout panels behind the LCD. They were about 4 inches by 4 inches and the quality of sound is MUCH better than the usual tinny little things that are usually tacked onto laptops. You could play Quake/QuakeII and actually enjoy the sounds for a change.
They're basically a honeycomb like panel which resonates in a random manner when excited at one of it's modal points. Due to the resonance being uncorrelated the resonance of the panel doesn't effect the load the amplifier sees. It's dispersion characteristics are also a damn sight better than the normal cone. I'd expect them to take off in the home theatre area most, but you never know, car windscreens.....
Just my 2p worth
Iggy
Project sounds in all directions (Score:1)
How do i know this, cos' i've seen them working and talked to the designer, Dr. Graham Bank. I saw a DML panel of about the same size as a 19" monitor reproduce a music signal over a roughly 200Hz to 20KHz bandwidth. Pretty impressive if you ask me.
Terrible in-car sound (Score:1)
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Terrible in-car sound (Score:1)
Hmm - it'd be interesting as a noise reducer though...
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Using for a screen (Score:1)
Besides... (Score:1)
I think you missed the point of the story... (Score:1)
Daniel
Douglas Adams! (Score:1)
Now they need to figure out how to do this with rusty tin cans, and when the Vogons, come visiting, we can outshout them!
21" monitor (Score:1)
Hmmm.. Something sounds dangerous (Score:1)
Sounds nice.... BUT!
Under close magnification, the speaker surface resembles a three-dimensional map of mountainous terrain, with each peak punching the air to help
create sound waves.
Imagine getting in a car accident, and having your face smash into the three-dimensional map of a mountainous terrain. It may be small, but it's probably enough to cause some damage.
Hmmm.. Something sounds dangerous (Score:1)
As an upside... I guess i would be cool to be able to say "I got into a car accident, and flew through the speaker."
Electrostatic speakers (Score:1)
I have heard from these membrane speakers and it is a real experience. They are costly due to the voltage multipliers, the rack mounted amplifier, and the source of the music.
But its worth it if you have the money and the space to put these works of art in your living room. If you are tired of the sound heavy diaphrams of speakers produce and tweaters seem to resonate harmonics, these are a godsend.
"Sound with Subtle Vibrations" (Score:1)
Heh (Score:1)
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directionality & frequency (Score:1)
Silly audio industry...AMEN (Score:1)
History (Score:1)
About "72 to '75 Fisher offered flat panel speakers, some of which looked like pictures (oil painting, not photograph) in a frame and were designed to be hung on the wall. I used to sell them, they weren't bad for the money if you allowed for a 10-15% "novelty factor" in the price and cut them a little slack for their space saving virtue. Fisher made speakers for lots of other companies in those days. About that same time another company (Magnaplanar?) was also offering flat speakers in two or three rectangular sizes. They looked like flat white pieces of plastic, at least in the magazine ads, never saw them in person.
In Home application (Score:1)
Uhh...don't these already exist? (Score:1)
Hmmm.. Something sounds dangerous (Score:1)
I think it will (It won't work) (Score:1)
-Laxative
Fahrenheight 451 (Score:1)
-Laxitive
I think you missed the point of the story... (Score:1)
-Laxative
Talk about Surround sound! (Score:1)
i dunno (Score:1)
Dynamic and Microscopic (Score:1)
Visual effects (Score:1)
Project sounds in all directions (Score:1)
From the article
This makes me a bit skeptical. Even if they project in all directions at once (unlikely with a flat panel?), they still must have a source (esp. at higher frequencies). If they still have a source, then one still must face the speaker for the proper image. By analogy, if I wave my hand in a pool of water, the ripples will project in all directions at once, but my hand is still the one creating the waves.
Also, to get any decent low-end response, the panel would have to be quite large. All they say is "wider frequency," which in audio terms means jack.
Jason Dufair
"Those who know don't have the words to tell
It Might Work. (Score:1)
second. who's to say they'd put the speaker as the viewing surface for a tv or whatever ? seeing as it just cuts down weight and size, they could just make it the cover over the LED's for the tv, or the panel on the side... of course, they'd have done that with the opaque ones by now i'm sure.
then again... wouldnt that be trippy ?
ElecMoHwk
An Idle Speculation (Score:1)
But of course we already know some people are very classified/restricted access, so it wouldn't hurt for this to be done.
On the other hand, I can see Get Smart!'s 'cone of silence' being done with this...
AS
AS
Visual effects (Score:1)
Yes, there may be real effects we can't figure out right now, but I don't know that these distortions are any worse than what is already acceptable today.
Of course the car doesn't have some weird fixed refresh rate to deal with either...
The eyestrain study is a good idea.
AS
AS
Speculations. (Score:1)
An idle disagreement with idle speculation (Score:1)
Of course, you wouldn't do anything like play back a recording on the windows, would you? You'd generate white noise using a random number generator that was regularly re-seeded by way radioactive decay. Still, you'd have to get the spooks to trust that you were doing that, and to not record the noises played on the window. Perhaps you could cover the windows with plywood; that would also defeat a laser mike.
Shoot Me Now. (Score:1)
But on the bright side, I can take out their speakers with a rock while walking by. This may be a good devlopment after all.
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An Idle Speculation (Score:1)
Say, you know what someone should do? Get some of this glass and use it as the windows for their restaurant or café. Then mention that fact to members of the intelligence community.
They'll all want to eat and meet there. It would make using a laser mike impossible. :-)
Around Washington, DC or some other city with a lot of spook activity, such a thing might fly, financially.
Not recommended for certain operas... (Score:1)
Wouldn't the glass be at risk of shattering at certain frequencies? (eek.)
I think, if this technology is real, that it could be used quite effectively for noise-cancellation. Interesting idea. If the sound is really any good, it could be used to lower manufacturing costs quite a bit; Many speakers already sound better than I can hear, I just can't justify paying the prices asked for them.
But if you could retrofit a house or apartment in a noisy area with windows that would reduce invasive noise levels, I'll go buy a cheap house out near the airport...
Visual effects (Score:1)
Project sounds in all directions (Score:1)
http://www.nxt.co.uk/
Stereo Glasses (Score:1)
Instant multimedia.
The DVD would be a bit uncomfortable
Using for a screen (Score:1)
Jon
not really new (Score:1)
Dangerous? (Score:1)
Electrostatic speakers (Score:1)
It Might Work. (Score:1)
Transparent skrs...been done (Score:1)
This was done already...there was a company (forget the name) that used to sell little
transducers that attatched to glass/plexi/etc
and made sound. It was tried in audio for stores,
as in the glass windows would be speakers...
Sounded really, really bad.
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