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Mozilla M3 Release Available Now 205

Posted by CmdrTaco from the maybe-this-one-won't-crash dept.
Makali writes "Just took a quick peek at the Sunsite FTP mirror of ftp.mozilla.org and Sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk is up and contains tarballs for several platforms. Fetch! " Downloading my copy now, now considering how badly screwed up my machine is right now, the odds of it actually running is about 1 in 12 *grin*.
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  • Monkey business (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward
    I'm using the latest "SeaMonkey" release right now.
    Fresh install on 'Doze.

    Observations:

    1. Looks pretty, but what does it do better than
    Netscape 4? Slow as molasses to update display,
    jerky scrolling. Almost unusable. I've checked
    several sites with different layouts to make sure.
    The only improvement in performance seems to be that
    pages aren't reloaded when main the window is
    resized. The beginning stages or primate intelligence,
    perhaps.

    2. Seems very stable. At least it hasn't gone under
    within the first hour of use. That's the problem. If this
    grarbage scow would just quiety go down to Davey
    Jones' Locker I wouldn't have to wait 30 seconds for
    the window to close after issuing the order. Who's captain
    of this ship, anyway?

    3. I'm not eager to install the Linux version. The
    binary and support files are almost 3 times the
    size of the Doze version, but will give it a try.

    Well, time to put this cpu-staller away and get out a *real*
    browser for WinDoze so I can read you all's comments
    about this wonderful new product.

    I got a feeling it's putting a strain on my video
    card as well (ughh!) moving this Plain Old Text around
    in this edit widget, like a pixel weighs a ton.

    Don't send a monkey to do a man's job.






  • Everything compiled like a charm, it was the third time that I compile it and I was really impressed with what was done. Freshmeat.net renders perfectly, altough slashdot has a small problem with the text on the left side, and the buttons of the poll are kind of fscked up.. but who cares, I found it very fast, and the Gtk-themes work. *grin*

  • Could someone provide us with a more complete list of mirrors? Hey, even a clue as to where such a list exists would be fine. Seems lame of us to be hammering the hell out of one site, and, more importantly, I can't download because of the number of users already on.

  • The browser needs work, everyone knows that..
  • Well, according to mozilla.org you need MSVC 5.0 or newer and Windows NT 3.51 or newer to build Mozilla for Win32s. So if you were able to somehow get it to build on a Watcom compiler I'm fairly sure that there wouldn't be a problem in that regard.

    -SegFault
  • Try using WordPerfect 8 for Linux (free in cost).

  • Try compiling your own. If you're still having trouble, profile it and find out just where all the time's being spent -- it's probably in one place.

    Anyhow, that most certainly shouldn't be happening.
  • Posted by xomox:

    If you have a socks[45] firewall, try using either runsocks (for *nix) or sockscap (Wintendo). You can obtain it from

    http://www.socks.nec.com

  • Posted by Moritz Moeller - Herrmann:

    >no ftp support either (last time I checked)
    When did you last check? 1997 ?

    KFM:
    ftp support is working. It scrolls menu elements a bit slow and Javascript support is not complete.

    It renders most sites just fine, with the exception of some buggy infoworld sites....
    And it is GPL, so if you want a good HTML browser, just take the khtml libraries, don't mess with mozilla/ gecko yet.
  • Posted by NJViking:

    The FUll-Circle win32 version is super unstable. I get a Dr. Watson error every time I try to run it.

    When I get home I will try it on the REAL OS.

    -= NJV =-
  • Posted by FascDot Killed My Previous Use:

    Toast the Win95 partition.
  • I tried to find docs on mozilla.org to read what milestone 3 is, and what it will take to reach milestone 4, but the information isn't on the development roadmap. Does anybody have a link to a current description?
  • They're redoing (almost?) everything from scratch. They stuff that's there is excellent, but it'll be a while yet before it's all there.

  • Now if they could just post a version of 4.51 for
    glibc

  • Given that neither IE5 nor Communicator 4.5 can pass a standards test, it's about time a browser was made to adhere to the standards. That's why they're there in the first place! It isn't really a step back for web developers. They will finally be able to design their pages according to the true standards (i.e. those that have been approved by W3C) and not have to screw around with this or that browser's little eccentricities.

  • I assume you submitted these bugs to mozilla.org, right? :)

  • Every time I click on something in Gecko, my walkie-talkie goes staticy on me.

  • Viewer works much nicer.

  • Then, the fact that IE5 can't even properly render plain HTML is going to hurt.

    But, oooo, this is something that we would never normally see, now isn't it. We have the release that would normally only be used inside Netscape. Gee....

  • Microsoft says that IE is the most standards-compliant browser. They say that nothing renders more to the standards than IE.

    Now, shit for brains, do you get to play with pre-alpha copies of IE5? Did you compare NS 4.51 to the pre-alpha copy of IE5? No, of course not. Gee, that would be terrible to do because it would disadvantage IE.

    No, I don't look at the code. I've never even compiled it. What Open Source means is that users who chose to can submit bug reports to get things fixed faster with more liklihood of them actually getting fixed.

  • [...]
    the rotating mobile-type thing [...]

    I guess that had to go when MCOM disappeared -- didn't the logo have a big `M' on one of the panels? I'd have to agree though: apart from the purply colours it was a great spinner. In fact, that must be where the name `spinner' comes from: none of the other logos exactly spin, do they?

    wavy lines of reminiscence

    Ah, the good old days -- who remembers mcom.com [mcom.com] now..? There's a web site somewhere with a large collection of old Netscrapes: I occasionally spark up one of the old ones to check pages look OK. Hey, and that's an interface widget I miss -- what about the button you could press to load images? That's come in very handy when I'm on the dialup.


    --
    W.A.S.T.E.
  • That little "N" logo is mesmerizing. I've been watching it for a few minutes straight and I think I'm going to hurl!
  • Most of the functionality is hidden at this point - or not even finished. However at least Mozilla passes the basic CSS and DOM and XML tests, unlike IE5...

    Bah - IE5 can't even do XML right, and MS helped write the spec...

    For those interested in the cool stuff in M3 - try editing the .xul files in res/samples - these define the entire GUI for the app. I did some playing around here and had the other web guys drooling...

  • Proxy (Score:1)

    by Matts ( 1628 )
    I copied *.js and proxy.cfg from my old netscape settings to the public/bin dir. That was NT though - don't know about Linux.
  • (Back in Netscape now - Mozilla doesn't like resizing too much :))

    It was really just the simple ability to build applications with full functionality with some simple lines of XML. Like a toolbar is defined using <toolbar>...</toolbar> and the buttons in there do all the bits like auto-raise when you hover the mouse over them - no more hacking Javascript to get that to work (of course you hack JS to get the rest of the app working).

    I think this is going to turn a lot of IS/IT departments on - they can have their own version of netscape with their own buttons/menus and stuff like that, even completely remove the prefs menu, or just parts of it. Customisation that goes beyond the basics that IE5 provides.

    /me wipes drool from chin...

  • Huh? (Score:2)

    by Matts ( 1628 )
    Well something must be seriously wrong on my NT box then:

    http://slashdot.org
    Viewer.exe takes 6928k mem + 4980 vmem
    Apprunner.exe takes 8828k mem + 7092 vmem
    netscape.exe takes about 12M + 15M

    Better, but is it good enough??? I guess no matter what you do, building tree structures and displaying pages of gfx is always going to use up gobs of memory....
  • ...this is for small values of "fast"?

    Daniel
  • I didn't have problems with the Win32 Version.. I just copied all the .dll's to the \windows\system directory and all was well.. It was extremely fast in my opinion and resizeing windows was EXTREMELY better than 4.x

    Brian
  • FullCircle is Netscape's bug reporting software.. if it crashes, it sends a bug report to netscape.

    For me at least, I copied the dll's to the system dir and things went a lot faster..

    Not sure though....
  • I know....I experienced the same thing....ya know why? they didn't strip the precompiled binaries...they're full of debugging symbols (apprunner went from 4M to 800k)....it runs alot faster (than ie NN4.5 or the unstriped version) afterwards...
  • Getting 100KBytes/s instead of 200KBs... (connecting to Sunsite NE normally max's our internet connection)

    The link is probably being rather saturated.

    Can anyone remember the international connection speed of SuperJanet? Last I remember it was 8Mbits, but I have this vague memory of it being upped to 30-40Mb, or something.

  • Heh... (Score:1)

    by marcus ( 1916 )
    Someone did this for me just the other day. That is, they had /. send me an email containing my password. I wonder if they know that the IP of the requesting box is sent also, and that they are not on a dynamic IP address...
  • Huh? There is a core for Mozilla, what do you think new-layout was? I'm not comparing M3 to Navigator 4.5... I'm comparing M3 to builds from a few weeks ago. It certainly is backtracking if something that's been working for weeks or months isn't after a codefreeze.

    Given the constraints of HTML tables (setting borders to 0, cellspacing to 0 and cellpadding to 0), the interior size of the table should match the exterior size.

    It seems whats changed in Mozilla, after some other testing, is settings on tables are no longer inhereted from tables they might be within. Up until now (and this might be a bug in Mozilla, I'm not sure...) nested tables (or for that matter any nested tags) took on as defaults the setting from the element they're nested within. Setting "cellspacing=0" on a table passed that setting onto tables it contains. Same with font tags, or other tags.

    Only some settings on elements seems to be inhereted... border, for example, seems to be inhereted, but cellspacing and cellpadding don't. Or at least don't consistantly get inherited.

    Adding them manually to the table fixes the problem. I looked that the HTML spec, and its not really clear IMHO on this issue.

    Maybe I'll submit this as a bug at the risk of looking dumb when its not. :)
  • Sorry, this seems to be a step back. Sure, the browsing window has some (ugly, nonfunctioning) UI elements wrapped around it, but the core of the browser -- the renderer -- seems to have taken a significant step back. The nightly build from mid-february I was running layed out most pages I looked at fairly well, 90% of the time they were correct as far as I can see. Now half the sites that worked before no longer lay out properly.

    Some things I've noticed that are broken now:

    Tables inside of tables where the width of the inside table is the same as the width of the cell its in -- no longer fit. The inside table for whatever reason starts to wrap cells. Very strange...

    Frames. (I can't honestly remember if the other one had frame support at all, but I get a lot of frame content showing up in the wrong frame...)

    Although it *says* its got editor support built into it, the editor doesn't work at all. That's a step back. Opening editor pages just opens up new browser windows (which cause it to blow core when you close them...)

    Javascript -- working just enough not to work. :) Unfortunately it blows core when I try to open the console window, so I can't see exactly whats not working...

    The widgets... I thought this was GTK? What version of GTK is it using? Themes don't work -- and the widgets themselves don't look like any of the GTK ones I've got installed. Where's it getting them from? Either way, I get toolbars showing up in the scrollbars, although once a page is loaded they usually go away.

    Resizing the window doesn't work...

    Forms don't seem to work, whereas they did before.

    I couldn't get any background images to display. Some JPG's were not displaying either, and the ones that don't display seem to badly mess up table rendering. (IE, a 200 pixel wide image aligned left in a table cell with text around it will push the table 200 pixels wider...)

    Of course, most of the people getting all worked up about the release think "M3" is some official release or something, its just a development milestone. No promise or guarantee it'd be better than what was there before, its just a point to freeze the code and take stock on whats done and what needs to be done.

    I'm just suprised that the core of it seems to have backtracked so far...
  • Had you read the whole article you'd have seen that "in 1996 [he was awarded] an honorary doctorate from the Royal Institute of Technology in Sweden."
    --
    Aaron Gaudio
    "The fool finds ignorance all around him.
  • Aaargh, how could they be so cruel?!?! Must I reboot into Windows 95 to try Mozilla? Would a libc5 binary be too much to ask for?

    Before anyone flames me, I don't have enough disk space to upgrade to glibc2, or to compile Mozilla from source. So I'm screwed, basically.

  • Toast the Win95 partition.

    Oh yeah, why didn't I think of that? But I don't think my sister, who's doing her dissertation in Word, would appreciate it.

  • NT 4 (Score:1)

    by timw ( 3483 )
    Anyone have any luck with running it on NT 4? I get a window frame and that's all. No title in the title bar and no refreshing content (the window contains a snapshot of what was there before).
  • It is definately an improvement. There is some new irritating sluggishness which makes me feel like I'm working with a Java applet or something, but I can hope for all that to dissapear in the final release. I like the "Translate" button and some of the implied features.. some very very neat (old and unoriginal, but neat) ideas. IE5 still beats it for redrawing speed on win32, just turn on full window dragging and start moving some corners to see how fast it can keep up. IE is so smooth that it is fun to watch lines wrap. So far Commmunicator 5, is a flickering sluggish pain, but it keeps everything infront of your eyes and readable. Which is more than I can say for Communicator 4. I hope the final is faster, but it meets my minimum requirements: I won't be afraid of touching the border of my browser and waiting five seconds for a redraw. Wow, do I hate Netscape 4. Some of the new, not so visible features are very exciting. It is a good sign, I hope they get this one right.
  • patent stuff, I figured. they moved away from that logo when "mosaic netscape" became just netscape.
  • Methinks they have tied filtering in with a search bot and are dropping in to party with us. :-P

    I've never seen so many trolls. You can tell which trolls are Mickeysoft and which ones are real /. users just logged in as AC. The /. trolls generally can put a sarcastic twist on a message, and generally know what they are talking about.
    The other folks think "computer literacy" is guessing which menu Microsoft has hidden the "Preferences" under (duh.. File? Edit? Options? cough... sputter.. VIEW??)

    Anyone have the URL of that hacked ("cracked?") German WWII poster where they superimposed Bill Gates face on? Windows deleted it (really - crashed while resizing...)
  • ... you don't HAVE to use GTK themes... :-D

    Choice is good. It's my favorite thing about X windows... apps are not tied to the window manager or desktop...

    Theming eats up RAM though. I'll stay away till I get more memory for the old PC..

    Sleepy
  • Yes, I used to filter at 1, but then on the linux.com story, my ON-TOPIC, yet at the same time both critical and *civil* comments were deleted. Or is it more accurate to describe such a thing as "Microsofted"?0=

    Other like minded comments were deleted (LOTS of "hey, where did my post go?" comments) and many more were set to -1 or -2 priority.

    I'd be naive to think that moderation had anything to do with whose ad is running at the top of my web browser. Sure. Really. I'm sure "the board" of linux.com will have elections someday, too.

    [cough]
    "You'll have to lite it again... pipe went out"
    [cough]
  • just a thought, but could it be the debugging info that it spews plus the assertions thoughout the code that slow it down? maybe?
  • how are you folks reporting it's "fast"? I've just installed the rpm, and it took about 2 minutes to render a local page! slashdot loaded for about 10 before stopping altogether, and I'm on a T1 here... And thats not mentioning the graphical glitches all over the screen, especially after resizing the window. I'm running on a p200, and netscape 4.51 works just as fast as it's windows counterpart, but the only speed improvement I can see with mozilla is in loading time. I hope I'm doing something terribly wrong?

  • Someone want to explain why when I click the Ftp: link that I get sent to ftp-proxy.apple.com?

    Is Apple hosting a bunch of stuff for them?
  • The win32 version is using 450k, while NN 4.5 is using 9MB to display the same thing.
  • Replace it yourself, just overwrite the files in the res/throbber directory. When I first got gecko I replaced those files with my own.

    - George
  • unzip it and run apprunner.exe
    Stan "Myconid" Brinkerhoff
  • > give it 1 years improvement in computer power, and you've lost the slow down.

    Your on the Windows 2000 development team aren't you?

    Stan "Myconid" Brinkerhoff
  • ditto. i did try the win32 version to see what it was like though. I was impressed. I dont like the interface as it was not very nice looking but i'm sure thats more like temporary etc. it does render stuff pretty fast tho. overall i think mozilla just rocks.

    just my 2 cents

    -doobman
  • yeah thats a cool feature that opera had that i really liked. It would also be pretty sweet to have a html type footer where you could create your own hot list time bar. that would be cool ...
    just a couple more cents =)

    -doobman
  • if you are having troubles getting in try:
    ftp://csociety-ftp.ecn.purdue .edu/mozilla/releases/m3 [purdue.edu]
  • sure looks like it.

    i'll bet they come up with a snazzy new one for release time though.
  • sure looks like it.

    i'll bet they come up with a snazzy new one for release time though.

    hmm... does it make me an old-time web surfer to have actually used netscape 0.9 before? (not to mention various versions of Mosaic...)
  • What's the executable called?
  • Umm... hello? Of course it has a long way to go yet. This isn't anything more than a pre-pre-pre-alpha release with all the debug flags turned on, nothing in the way of optimization turned on.

    Have you read what this is? It's a release for the developers, so they have something usable from day to day with a max failure rate of once per hour. You do the math.

  • It crashed twice on me in 10 minutes (well hung, not crashed) One of the things it crashed on was the included sample #13!

    The rendering also did not seem faster than 4.0 to me,
  • Isn't that the Same "N" logo that Navigator 1.0 used?
  • It's cool, but not very compatible with newer web standards.
  • How about a 128-bit strong version for libc6?
  • M3/Win32, which ran perfectly well yesterday, crashes on start (apprunner.exe and viewer.exe). The 03-20 Win32 build seems pretty solid, though, and I can receive email with its version of Messenger. Still can't send, tho (it says it's sending, but apparently doesn't) -- time to muck around with the prefs file some more, maybe.

    Wheeee!

  • Even if M3 is foobar, give the 1.0 release a chance. All my experience with browser builds is that they get slow and flaky towards the end of the development cycle, and then suddenly get way better on (or after) the due date.

    It's a fact of life. People hold off posting bug fixes until it looks like they are gonna miss the release. It's called schedule chicken.
  • There really was no core of Mozilla. At least nothing version 5 would want to use. It was a tag-soup "parser" (gee, here's a - let's start making things bold). It's a miracle that they could tack on as much JS and CSS crap as they did. I'd imagine almost everything is being re-written, so you can't really call it backtracking.

    I'd imagine the table-in-table "bugs" you're talking about make assumptions about the box-model that aren't necessarily true. (e.g., that the contained table's box is the exact size of the container)

  • I think this may depend on the implicit (well, not implicit with M3 - it's in res) UA-stylesheet. The cascade of preferences is, I believe:

    1. Implicit UA style
    2. HTML specified formatting (e.g. cellpadding=0)
    3. User style
    4. Author style
    5. User-important style

    I'm imagining that the HTML specs don't say that tables should inherit properties of parent tables, and M3 is interpreting this correctly, and applying the UA style to the child tables.

    But I really don't know anything...

  • Opera doesn't even support 95% of CSS1.
  • ...and the better option is?
  • (PRISONER reference, for those at home)

    Look at the title of the Mozilla Milestone page mentioned above (and linked here [mozilla.org])

    >TITLE<Microsoft Project Exported Information>/TITLE<

    Which actually raises an interesting question: are there any decent replacements for MS Project that have a minimal learning curve for people used to using it? (Trying to wean people here off of Micros~1)
  • Those libraries come with the nspr package. You need to download nspr and install it before building Mozilla. You can pass the parameter to the libraries location to configure.

    See the building instructions at mozilla's site.
  • Something tells me he's not talking about DSSSL (or even XSL :-)

  • It's about standards (Score:3)

    by HRbnjR ( 12398 ) <chris@hubick.com> on Monday March 22, 1999 @06:33AM (#1969271) Homepage
    Gecko is the first good web browser the world has ever known.

    HTML was designed from the ground up with several goals in mind, that seem to have been completely forgoten by most people over the years. The whole basis was to separate structure from style enabling a document to be viewed on any system. XML finall takes this concept to it's conclusion in a manageable fashion. HTML was about using structural tags such as H1 rather than hard coded font tags, because a heading will look much different on an 1600x1200 monitor than it will a cell phone.

    So with the growth of the web you get a billion traditional media people designing web pages, that have no concept what the word _dynamic_ means, all writing pages that _must_ be viewed at 800x600, because they only know how to create pages for fixed paper mediums, and because they never bothered to actually learn what HTML was about. How many web designers even know what SGML is let along understand that HTML is an application of it? Admitedly, this only includes about 99.99% of the web designers out there. Traditionally the browser makers have been just as bad. It seems Netscape has finally got a clue. Netscape was the pioneer in adding proprietary style based tags to HTML, if they get Gecko right, which they are, I may actually forgive them, even though thanks in part to them, the whole web is a mess.

    So now, x years later, everyone finally learns HTML and runs across all these problems in browser compatibility and site management, and they start looking for a solution, can you say "What's a style sheet?". They discover that style sheets were supposed to be part of the web since day one, and that in fact they are much cooler than all the proprietary hacks they have been clamoring for from the browser makers. The sad thing being, even those web designers that knew about the One True Way from the beginning have not been able to do anything about it due to lack of browser support.

    Enter Gecko, the first web browser to actually give a web designers the ability to design a page the way it was meant to be. Gecko is not about small. Gecko is not about fast. Gecko is about HTML, CSS, XML, and DOM. Gecko is actually including a real parser (Expat) for the first time. We should have been able to use SGML features for years now, if browser makers had actually done it right and included SGML parsers. Gecko is including real DOM support, so now we can write JavaScript that may actually work in more than one place, and not only that, but that does a hell of a lot more for creating dynamic content. Gecko includes XML support, the most important document format since ASCII, finally giving the world a standard for creating documents with actual structure, and a way for bringing those to the masses. Gecko includes full CSS1 and a good chunk of CSS2, so my documents can actually look clean for a change, and be 1/5 the size at the same time.

    People who make comments how all the web pages don't load any faster, and how IE has better bookmarks or something like that, these people have obviously never tried any serious HTML work, browser programming, or managing a _large_ site. Gecko is not for the users, they will look at it and ask what it gives them over version 4. Gecko is for the designers, who will bow down at it's feet screaming FINALLY, and will now be able to die (mostly) happy. And for that, Gecko is the best piece of software to hit the web, _ever_.
  • While you're at it try the web browser built into kfm! While I don't use KDE, I love their web browser (Konquerer?)! Who needs netscape???
  • I am running kfm in WindowMaker with no problems...
  • Actually I'm not sure what it was but my password it self worked like always I just couldn't login last time I tried. One thing was I was trying with mozilla might not have liked it somewhat
  • 'Scuse me if you have tried this, but from the user page you can request that slashdot send you the password to the email you signed up with.

    -Redwraith
  • It makes a good light weight browser. It doesn't render most sites correctly, but if I just need something to startup and view a page quickly it's great.
  • Would you have any screenshots? That would be cool.
  • Whatever it was that had the other web guys drooling, of course. :-)
  • I've still got a floppy with NS 0.7 on it (for windows 3.x). That was one with the rotating mobile-type thing for an animation. That was the best animation that NS ever had. Don't kow why they ditched that for the pulsing N.
  • Excuse me, but shouldn't you be reporting this to mozilla.org(possibly straight into BugZilla?), so that they can fix this bug, rather than reporting it to /. readers, who if they really want to know all the current bugs in Mozilla can go read the bug database at Mozilla? -- Kevin
  • I'm not so sure about tables inheriting their parent's attributes. I assumed it was the case for quite a while but recently they've stopped doing it (I'm talking 4.08 here at the moment).

    Anyway ... just lately I've noticed that I had to specify cellpadding & spacing to 0 even on a table that's inside a pad/space=0 table. I agree, the table spec isn't clear on this too - and the answer varies according to who you ask. Time to figure out what is, isn't, should be and shouldn't be... I may need to get the author of Voyager (An Amiga web browser, folks) to change it.

    I don't think that it's a huge major problem or anything though... I suppose it makes us all a lot more specific really with our table definitions :)

    Oh yeah .... my first post. Yay. :)

  • According to top, it takes Netscape 4.5 26.6% of my Mem to display this page I'm typing on (out of 128MB; wow, that's inefficient). It said Seamonkey was taking 10.5% to do the same thing. And that's with a statically-linked binary. I'm also running GNOME, so it would help if I had compiled it. Oh well. A 2-fold improvement is enough for now.

  • NT 4 (Score:1)

    by sharkey ( 16670 )
    I gave it a try in passing. NT4 SP3 here at work. It renders /. well, but locked up when I tried to login.
  • Interesting, there seems to be a readable 360K core file in the root directory of ftp.mozilla.org...
  • This is PRE-Alpha. I don't think it's quite fair to be comparing it to released programs at this point. Also, it's not about feature count. One of the highlights of this browser (From what I've heard, at least) is that it is NOT going to be an 80 MB bloatware web browser..... If you like having browsers that are bigger than entire OS's, enjoy. As for me, I'm eagerly awaiting Netscape 5.0.....

  • On the win32 version, it's apprunner.exe. I'd presume on the other versions it'd be some variation of Apprunner, but that would be rather presumptious of me. =)
  • The passwords are VERY case sensitive. Once you log on, you can go to your own account/preferences page and change it to something easier to type.
  • Read my lips. at this point MOZILLA is not intended to even be Netscape Navigator 1.X, let alone 5.X

    This pre-release is for the rendering engine, [code named Gecko], not the bells and whistles version many of us are working toward or hoping for. So of course IE5 (and even NN 4.51) are presently 'better' in terms of functionality.

    However, I would suggest that before you say that it sucks, try running IE 5 for Linux. Or IE 5 for any SA-110 platform. Or IE-5 for -- get the point?

    Mozilla is about the Internet programming community developing a top-notch browser, etc. for B>any platform. Including Win32s.

  • Can't use kfm much on KDE 1.1. It seems to cause the X server (not kfm itself) to leak memory. Besides, it is hard to figure out where to get the latest kfm without going through the CVS + rebuild routine. Regular RPMing of updates would be nice.

    Chris
  • I stopped reading AC posts a while back by setting my threshold to one. Yes, you miss some interesting posts, but you also save a lot of time, and you also filter out a very high percentage of the posts that are pure garbage.
    One thing that jumped out at me right away was the change in tone: suddenly the posts seemed much more rational. Best of all, when the trolls rear their ugly heads, they usually don't cross the threshold.


  • libstdc++.so.2.8: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

    Why in God's name wqould you link to a specific vrsion number of libary like that?!?!?!? -- Unless you _want_ to break all forward and backward compatibility. THe boys at ID Software are equally guilty of this as well.

    A much better way to do it would be to link to libstdc++.so -- that's what the symlinks on a standard Linux system are there for -- then write a REQUIREMENTS file containing the following:

    This program packages requires the following shared libraries (or later except there noted):

    libc.so.6 (Glibc version 2.0.4 or later)
    libjpeg.so.61

    PLEASE check these version numbers before asking for help if strange things are happening!
  • One word: Opera. It even supports CSS2 (OK, 95 percent of it).

    Someday we'll exact revenge on the ones who perpetrated the war on standards in the first place.

  • CSS1 isn't worth supporting.
  • Havn't seen any problems...I ran a Feb. binary on my Win95 box here at work (HP Vectra, PII233, 32 megs), and it was _slightly_ faster than the final IE 5 that I downloaded.
    Picked up the new one today, so I havn't done any speed tests, formal or informal, yet. I have noticed that the interface seems to be more busy, but it's also highly configurable, so I'm not sweating that too much!
    For those having speed troubles -- are you running Win98? Just an innocent guess...(pulls on abestos undies)
    For the crashing guy -- it's warned that this is, indeed, not even a beta release. No promises. Heck, you should read the warnings that come with the nightly builds if you want a scare....
    For those who prefer and support IE5 -- variety is wonderful. That's what all the Mozilla and Linux stuff is, for some people, really about, the freedom of choice. I personally use IE just to render the MS site, and when Netscape is showing it's buggy side -- maybe twice a week.
    I personally think it's going to rock, but I'm also aware of how much is aganist it. It's not the moon, just a piece of software.
  • The fixed version is apperantly on the ftp site. I recommed ftp'ing directly to the site, as the links from the http://www.mozilla.org/projects/seamonkey/release- notes/ page don't seem to work. Try ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/releases/m3/mozi lla-i686-pc-linux-gnu-Se aMonkey_M3_BRANCH.tar.gz [mozilla.org] to get the Linux version. Of course, it's a little tough to get to, right now...
  • When I tried this last night the gzipped file for linux was corrupt. From the date on the file in the ftp site it doesn't look like it has changed. Anyone else have any better luck?
  • Looks nice and crisp but I think I'll stick with Opera. It's fast, quick to install and very compact. Have a look:
    http://www.operasoftware.com/
  • Seems to work ok on NT 3.51. Can't find anywhere to configure the proxy tho' which means I can't get past our firewall.

    This is going to be a very nice browser tho'.

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