How to Build a Clear Computer Case 134
Mikey LeBeau writes "Geeknews has a story right now on how to build a clear computer case, and just looking at the pictures, I'm quite impressed. Anyone up for mass-marketing these suckers? "
"The pathology is to want control, not that you ever get it, because of course you never do." -- Gregory Bateson
Re:All I want... (Score:2)
- Eric
Re:RF Interference (Score:1)
Re:RF Interference (Score:2)
If he's using a stock CB radio - that is, 4 watts deadkey / 7 watts peak, the police can call it a domestic disturbance and tell him to knock it off.
Re:pretty cool (Score:1)
RFI shielding (Score:3)
I believe there are conductive transparent plastics or films that may work for shielding transparent cases, so please do some research.
CmdrTaco just Slashdotted Geeknews :/ (Score:1)
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Re:RF Interference (Score:2)
That all depends on what kind of a radio it is and what kind of licenses he does or doesn't have.
He is being pretty rude, and ought to buy a low-pass filter. Maybe you should buy one for him?
If he's using a stock CB radio - that is, 4 watts deadkey / 7 watts peak, the police can call it a domestic disturbance and tell him to knock it off. But they can't take away his radio.
If he is using an outlawed CB or 10 meter ham equipment mofidied to use the 11 meter range (the CB range), he is breaking the law. Unfortunately, the FCC is brutally underfunded, and in 1997 couldn't even get funding to write letters to manufacturers expressing concern over the illegal uses of things like 10 meter linear amplifiers that work just as well on 11 meter. Again, the police can treat this as a domestic disturbance. Unfortunately, only a federal marshall can legally take away his radio. (Tho the cops may do it anyway)
If he is a licensed ham using ham radio equipment that is broadcasting on bands his license doesn't allow, or is transmitting with greater power than his license allows, the FCC won't be happy about it. Your local FCC rep might come out and order him to turn over or destroy his transmitter.
If he is a licensed ham using ham radio equipment that is within the allowable ranges of his license, the police can treat it as a domestic disturbance, but other than annoying you he is breaking no laws.
Most people don't take the time to read the definition of a class B device. A "Class B" electronic device is required to accept any interference caused by other devices. To put that another way, if your neighbor is using legally licensed amateur bands and your TV is picking up his signal, it's *your* fault. He's being a bad neighbor, but it's your fault that your tv is picking up his perfectly legal transmission.
So, you've got a few options.
(1) Offer to buy him a "low pass filter" - anyone who works at a radio equipment store will know exactly what you mean if you ask them for one. it may cost as much as $20, more if he's running a heck of a lot of power out the back of his radio. he puts this in-line on his coax before it reaches the antenna. I would not recommend going to RadioShack for this. Try looking through the yellow pages for a business that sells or leases business radio or ham equipment. A low-pass filter tries to clean out the ranges of transmission that will interfere with A/V equipment. It shouldn't interfere with his fun.
(2) Call the police and have them treat it as a domestic disturbance. They'll come over and give him a talking to, maybe scare him a little. If he's got illegal radio equipment, the most they can legally do is tell the FCC. Some cops will take it away anyway on the chance that the person in question knows it's illegal and won't complain to the feds.
(3) Buy some high-pass filters to put on your tv and stereo to filter out his transmissions. This might not work, if, like you say, anything with a speaker repeats his voice.
(4) Stick a pin through his coax. This will make his radio's finals explode the next time he tries to transmit. This is, of course, destruction of personal property, 100% illegal, and I don't condone it. But some people can be real pricks, and the other three might not work.
Overall, don't assume that he's doing it maliciously. He might not know that he's causing you a problem. He may have some high-pass filters for you to install on your TV and stereo. Maybe he has a low-pass filter that's simply stopped working and he doesn't realize it.
Ham's are generally gregarious people who like to share their hobby with anyone who's interested, much like any other class of geek.
pretty cool (Score:1)
Box detailing.. (Score:1)
Bowie J. Poag
RF Interference? (Score:2)
IANAP, though, so I could be way off.
The other problem is that everyone would see how messy the inside of my case is. It get embarrassed when I have to go into it when people are around.
-awc
Clear Case (Score:1)
In-Win [in-win.com] A500. Plexie(sp) glass and I will use the chassis
from the A500. No neon lights (what is that about anyway?),
and all of the awesome benefits of the A500. These cases
rule! Everyone should have an A500.
Re:pretty cool (Score:1)
As far as I can tell, case design for most computers hasn't changed since my TI 8086 in 1984. Some easy to use clasps on the side would be nice!
I like the idea of it glowing, also.
Don't you just love it when you read an article... (Score:1)
=p
Re:Clear Case (Score:1)
Clear PC Cases (Score:1)
My old drummer in my band made me a pleiglass computer case years ago.
Just to give you a time frame on this, it ran Slackware 2.0 on my kicking 386dx40
whooo!! (Score:1)
Re:Wrong again, Slashdaughter. (Score:2)
Of course, you would have to show that you'd exausted your other options and that the person in question didn't care that he was causing you problems.
Clear shielding options.. (Score:1)
Since then, I've seen "clear" calculators and other things that lead me to believe that clear substances can be made fairly conductive.
Combine that with a network of ultrathin copper wires embedded in the plastic to "drain" anything caught by the clear coating, and we might have a winner. Come to think of it, the wire could be inlaid in patterns and used decoratively?
Let's not stop there! Forget the ceramic cases on chips, make them out of glass. And embed LEDs into the chip at interesting points. Hey where do I go to patent this?
I like the Q500 better (Score:1)
A larger case will always be cooler than a smaller one, equally equipped
oh, and people, remember to have some fans REMOVING air. When air is compressed it heats up
Re:RF Interference? (Score:1)
Hahahahaha (Score:1)
Re:this other /. story had better ones (Score:1)
Re:RF Interference? (Score:3)
Re: holes in your case;
Radio waves have a physical size, if the hole is too small the wave can't get through (see: mesh satellite dish). A good case has a metal shield over any unused drive slot.
Not sure I like clear cases (Score:1)
TheGeek
http://www.geekrights.org [geekrights.org]
Re:I like the Q500 better (Score:2)
Just don't over do it. Remember that convection cooling comes from air-FLOW -- think "wind chill factor". Creating a vacuum in your case reduces the amount of air available to transfer the excess heat to.
Just moving the air around inside your case doesn't do any good, you have to move air _through_ your case.
Why make your computer look like an Imac? (Score:1)
TheGeek
http://www.geekrights.org [geekrights.org]
iLinux (Score:1)
www.napnet.com/iLinux
Re:RF Interference (Score:2)
If he's actually transmitting enough power to cause you to hear it with the amp turned off, he's most likely operating outside of FCC rules. Talk to your neighbor first, he may not realize it's happening.
Re:More for black (Score:1)
Apple (successfully) cheated in this regard. On their blue and white G3 minitowers, the CD/DVD drives are generic beige, but behind a blue trapdoor.
Re:RF Interference (Score:1)
Re:Box detailing.. - are you loony? (Score:1)
I really hate it when people brag of having X many coats of (laquer no less!) paint on their custom car, so don't start on computers!
Wanting to have that many coats of paint on anything is asking to have it crack on you. Never mind that Laquer is a crappy paint, most likely to oxidize, crack, and is a huge enviromental hazard in application.
Re:RF Interference (Score:1)
(1) Offer to buy him a "low pass filter" - anyone who works at a radio equipment store will know exactly what you mean if you ask them for one. it may cost as much as $20, more if he's running a heck of a lot of power out the back of his radio. he puts this in-line on his coax before it reaches the antenna. I would not recommend going to RadioShack for this. Try looking through the yellow pages for a business that sells or leases business radio or ham equipment. A low-pass filter tries to clean out the ranges of transmission that will interfere with A/V equipment. It shouldn't interfere with his fun.
(3) Buy some high-pass filters to put on your tv and stereo to filter out his transmissions. This might not work, if, like you say, anything with a speaker repeats his voice.
Here are a few other ideas:
* Buy a package, or two, of 0.01 uF bypass capactors, and connect them across the speaker treminals. The bypass capactors act as a short circuit to RF, but won't do anything to power and audio.
* Try putting an AC line filter between the device being affected, and the AC line. It is possabile that the interferance could be comming in through the AC wiring.
* Switch to shielded cable, if you have that option(some manufactures mold the cable pernamently to thier speakers). This will make a big differance(it will cut down on alot of crosstalk, and other interferance), and you really should use shielded cable on your audio/vidio, speaker, data, and antenana(RF) conections anyways.
BTW, one inportaint FYI: ham radio operators can legealy operate radio equment that they've built or modified without having that equiptment type-accepted, as long as it's for personal use. For expample, If a ham builds his own radio, or modifies his radio, and he's useing it for his own use, his doesn't have to get it type-accepted. If he's building or modifing radio equiptment comericially, however, he still needs to get that equiptment type-accepted for it to be legal.
altering the ol' beige box to make it cool (Score:1)
QRO@Whisky-land QRP@8Papa-land (Score:1)
Also, I don't dim my own lights and crash my server.
QRO: Last resort of the LID!
73, de Gus, Eight Papa Six Sly Mongoose
Re:RF Interference (Score:1)
That might not be a good idea:
In the ARRL Handbook (for the Radio Amateur) 1999, page 28.12, it says:
"Warning: Bypassing Speaking Leads:
Older amateur literature might tell you to put a 0.01-uF capacitor across the speaker terminals to cure speaker-lead interference. *Don't do this!* {emphasis in book} Some modern solid-state amplifiers can break into a destructive, full-power, sometimes ultrasonic oscillation if they are connected to a highly capacitive load. If you do this to your neighbor's amplifier you will have a whole new kind of personal diplomacy problem! -- Ed Hare, KA1CV, ARRL Laboratory Supervisor"
Re:whooo!! (Score:1)
screw the box, i want that nicole chick (Score:1)
[OT] Re:this other /. story had better ones (Score:1)
Sorry to be a pedant, feel free to moderate this down!
Greg
Clearcases are available (Score:1)
Check this site out for a really nice clear colored case!! And there only $80.00
The Q500 sucks. (Score:1)
I can't remember which vendor it was that I want a case from... Had a 4-digit part number, thou... Something like 6890 or something. (It wasn't PC Power and Cooling - great cases but WAY too expensive!)
Re:RF Interference (Score:1)
Here's an idea...
Why not box up your POS stereo equipment and ship it back to the manufacturer with a demand that they fix it so that it isn't susceptible to RF interference. It isn't your fault, but most consumer electronics equipment is designed by penny pinching morons who would rather save a dollar or two by not adequately shielding and filtering their products.
Those of us who legally operate radio transmitters get blamed for the design faults of the crap they sell to consumers. Even when our transmitters are in perfect condition. I have been blamed by neighbors for all sorts of problems, even when I haven't transmitted a signal for weeks. Any glitch in their TV or stereo gets blamed on the nearest CB or amateur radio operator. It's easier than thinking.
If you are experiencing interference in audio equipment, it is caused by poor shielding and filtering in your equipment.
If you are experiencing interference with TV or radio equipment, it is probably due to design defects in the front end (RF input) or shielding of your TV or radio.
Interference problems that are caused by transmitter defects are relatively rare. The vast majority can be traced back to design shortcuts in the equipment experiencing interference.
Congress and the FCC have been too chicken (read as coopted by the consumer electronics industry) to issue standards for interference susceptability in consumer electronics equipment.
There's lot's of neat alternatives. (Score:1)
How about:
- Use an old VCR case.
- Inside an old monitor/tv. Stick some plexiglass where the CRT used to be.
- A desk drawer. I know a guy who did this for a voicemail server. He'd pull the drawer out to service it.
- Three words: wall mounted motherboard.
- An old microwave. Use the op interface for server functions ("clear" will properly reboot, the number keys will set a runlevel. Fun!)
- Bend up the sheet metal from an old microwave, etc to make your own funky case.
- Flying V case
- Modify an old Compaq suitcase computer. I had discussions about this with a boss who was a cad guy, hated tiny notebooks, and had a couple that were wasting away in the storage room near my office.
- Merge the motherboard with your monitor, Mac style... orrrr merge with you keyboard.
- For those concerned about heat: stick it in your vacuum. Actually that's a very bad idea, RF-wise.
- The knapsack PC! Everybody wears one and simply connects to the nearest monitor.
- Surgically implant behind your breastplate. Even better, use nanotech to *build* it behind your breastplate.
Oh the possibilities are endless.
cases shmaces (Score:1)
clear harddrive. That would look sweet.
Get an IBM S70... (Score:1)
So what if it takes 3 lines of 220V 3 phase power; you can stuff 32GB of RAM into it and it can go up to 114 PCI slots. Not to mention the 12 processors. Too bad it doesn't run Linux yet...
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Re:RF Interference (Score:1)
Bad idea. In some parts of the USA that might result in getting shot as a prowler/trespasser.
Re:Box detailing.. (Score:1)
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Re:[OT] Re:this other /. story had better ones (Score:1)
fishtank case (Score:1)
now THERE'S geek factor!!!
These cases exist! (Score:1)
geeknews down (Score:1)
Re:RF Interference (Score:1)
I think what you're discribing is an AC line filter. If that's the case, you have to be the one to use it, since it's your equiptment that's being interfered with.
It looks like the interferance is comming in through the AC line, although I'm not ruleing out poor or badly shielded A/V, speaker, and antenna conections, or a bad ground somewhere in your house wiring.
Does the FCC notice on your electronics look like this: This device complies with part 15 of the FCC rules. Operation is subject tw the fowwing two conditions: (1) This device may not cause harmful interferance, and (2) this device must accept any interferance recieved, including interferance that may cause undesired operation?
That lable's on every electronic device, form your stereo, to your computer. What it basicly says is if your device starts putting out interferance, and the interferance proves harmful, you are leagelly obligated to stop using it until you get it fixed. But, if something is interfering with your device, even if it is causing problems with that device, you have no leagel protection from the interferance, you're on your own.
Re:RF Interference? (Score:1)
Re:pretty cool (Score:1)
Re:The Q500 sucks. (Score:1)
Slashdotted (Score:1)
ahhh!$%@$ (Score:1)
Grounding?? (Score:1)
components in a machine connect themselves to common
ground via the metal case? I'm sure that major problems
would occur if differing charges were allowed to build up on
components. I can almost see the hard disc arcing across the
motherboard... Maybe some investigation into
grounding would be useful too...
Yeah, the prison industry... (Score:1)
this other /. story had better ones (Score:1)
plus just get yourself some allen bolts, drill through the panels at various places, and you've got yourself the mounts for the internals. break out the dremel, and round the edges (or a bandsaw if you have one), and dip it in a chemical like acetone to give it a frosted look. instead of static flourescent lights, hook 'em up to the hard drive, or scsi bus, so they blink on and off. you'll win the most-annoying prize for sure.
hrm...I think I have my next case.
-lev
All I want... (Score:1)
I'd even use a Rock City case, after I paint over all the funky squiggles over the front. Too bad you can't buy those seperately.
Is it possible to mod a Next cube to take PC internals?
--John Riney
jwriney@awod.com
Re:Clear Case (Score:1)
w/r/t some previous comment about screws -- we don't need no stinking screws!
Re:Clear Case (Score:1)
Re:RF Interference? (Score:1)
A lot of computer cases are made of plastic these days.... look at your average Packard Bell. No comment on the quality, though.
Steve
Clear cases: Macintosh '99 = Compaq '84 (Score:1)
clear-cased demo model of the original
Compaq luggable gracing the cover of
one of the PC magazines circa '84.
It attracted a lot of interest, which
merely prompted Compaq to announce it
was a one-off and that it had no plans
to put clear cases into production. Kind
of funny since Apple is always claiming the
PC world is ripping it off....
Re:All I want... (Score:1)
Of course ideally it would be built into the desk...
Re:All I want... (Score:1)
Re:All I want... (Score:1)
But the dealer sold it to me for much less: £130.
(1£= approx 1.5$). Which is a good price considering the size of the case.
Probably the prices you're getting from YY are way higher than actual retail prices.
Re:More for black (Score:2)
If one wants to pay a lot of money for a black system, they can always call IBM.
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Re:this other /. story had better ones (Score:1)
Re:Clear cases: Macintosh '99 = Compaq '84 (Score:2)
As a historical note, there were demo clear case Apple ][s and Macintoshes, and if you really look, there were probably 'clear case' IBM mainframes, washing machines, and automobiles going way back. Don't believe the hype.
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clear case vss FCC (Score:1)
I agree. (Score:1)
Time to start USING the case (Score:1)
Re:Box detailing.. (Score:1)
My uncle managed a company in the late 70's/early 80's that painted phones for AT&T. He tried to talk the owners of the company into approaching IBM about painting their new (at the time) XT desktop machines. No matter how bad he tried to talk them into it, they kept saying that it was a bad idea, and that no one would ever want a computer in any other color. If he had pressed harder, maybe we wouldn't be in this blah beige world.
I don't really want any funky designs, anyway. I just want a seven foot high rack case filled to the brim with quad Xeon III's and a couple hundred gigs of storage!
Re:Clear PC Cases (Score:1)
Re: Black Cases (Score:1)
Back in the '70s most 35mm cameras came in a brushed silver finish, perhaps with a little faux leather (i.e. textured plastic) to provide a little grip. The ``Professional'' black finish always cost more.
On computer cases, I think that most of the places I've visited lately on the Web offer at least some of their cases in black.
Clear Cases? (Score:1)
After having worked on computer systems for too long, all I can say about anyone wanting a clear computer case is:
Any computer equipment after it's been running for a month or so is going to be filled with a fine dust that's going to make your clear case look absolutely disgusting. Electronic equipment has a tendancy to attract superfine dust that's nearly impossible to clean off unless you want to completely disassemble the entire thing and dip the case in some industrial cleaner.
Unless you have a clean-room environment to place one of these systems, do yourself a favor and avoid these cases.
Re:cases shmaces (Score:1)
Digital used to show off their new disk drives at the trade shows using versions that had clear cases (at least the tops were clear). They'd have them running off some system that sat there and accessed them randomly so you could see the heads seek. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if that was a working drive connected to an old VAX and moving mail back and forth between Maynard and the folks at the trade show. Anyway, it was pretty cool at the time.
Re:Box detailing.. (Score:1)
They were really expensive ($300 or more) but looked really cool.
I remember seeing several woodgrain patterns and a 'black granite' option.
I don't know if a business like this would work now-a-days.
It's one thing contemplating a $300 custom case finish on a $4000 computer than a $200 case job on a $800 computer.
Ah well, at least it's one less thing for me to squander money on.
Re:[OT] Re:this other /. story had better ones (Score:1)
Everyone clear now?
Greg
Faraday problem? (Score:1)
created with just a clear case? I have heard
of people coating plexi with wire mesh, but damned if I know if that would solve the problem.
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Re:Plastic PB's (Score:1)
Cobratek
Re:All I want... (Score:1)
Suggestion for a poll (Score:1)
Re:Suggestion for a poll (Score:2)
Re:RF Interference? (Score:2)
Re:Suggestion for a poll (Score:1)
Re:pretty cool (Score:1)
Re:RF Interference? (Score:1)
A clear computer case would have to be certified as meeting at a minimum Class A and probably Class B requirements for interference (Class B is more restrictive, for places where your neighbor is likely to want to listen to the radio, watch TV, etc.).
Individual computer enthusiasts can run their hardware unshielded and get away with it, because it most often probably isn't bothering anybody (or at least it isn't bothering anybody who has the means to figure out who the jerk with the unshielded PC is...) When it becomes a matter of mass marketing such things, the FCC will step in and you'll be dumping a lot of plastic in a landfill somewhere if you didn't plan your design properly.
Re:Clear Case (Score:1)
I typically will spend almost any extra amount needed to get the best case for a system. Since my cases traditionally get used for four or five generations of motherboards, it just makes sense.
Re:RF Interference? (Score:1)
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they're already out there.. (Score:1)
i came across an january article that had a link to Colorcase.com [colorcase.com] which sells colored translucent case, as well as a number of other realy cool looking cases.. no neon lights though.