Azureus Decentralizes Bittorrent 672
BobPaul writes "While the eXeem project to decentralize Bittorrent remains in open beta, the Azureus Java Bittorrent project has recently released a major update that, among other things offers 'a distributed, decentralised database that can be used to track decentralised torrents. This permits both "trackerless" torrents and the maintenance of swarms where the tracker has become unavailable or where the torrent was removed from the tracker.' It doesn't contain the search functionality of eXeem, but it's also not a beta product and is licensed under the GPL. Could this and compatible clients be the replacement to SuprNova and Lokitorrents, or does the lack of search negate its effectiveness?"
A step in the right direction... (Score:4, Interesting)
does the lack of search negate its effectiveness?
I'd say it "limits" it's effectiveness, not negates it. It's not really de-centralized if you still have to rely on sites like suprnova in order to search for stuff, is it? This is a major reason why BitTorrent hasn't completely dominated eMule yet.
But since this removes another potential point of failure in the network (the tracker), it is still a good thing(tm).
Re:A step in the right direction... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:A step in the right direction... (Score:5, Insightful)
The truth is, you are a liar and a child molestor and you eat babies. How do I know this? I don't, but, like you, I will assert it to be true without providing any supporting information.
Though I cannot refute your assertion with solid numbers (as the only info I can find is either procured by pro-gun nuts or anti-gun nuts), I can refute it with simple logic.
The local rod & gun club gets about 50 people per day, averaged out across a seven day week. The reality is that most of the business is on the weekend, but an average is sufficient for this exercise.
Using your statistic, that means that, in my town alone, there would need to be 5000 shootings DAILY.
Let's assume the traffic at my local club is average. Since there are approximately 10000 US cities (link [google.com]), even if only 50% had a rod & gun club, that would mean there would be 250,000 recreational gun uses each day. Assuming this is the 0.01 minority, this means that there would have to be 25 million gun shootings in the US each day. Each year, every one in the US would have been shot... twelve times.
Now, getting back to BitTorrent. I would tend to agree that BitTorrent is analagous to gun use in that its primary use is recreational in nature. The difference here, however, is that BitTorrent's recreational use is more likely to be illegal in nature than not.
Re:A step in the right direction... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:A step in the right direction... (Score:5, Funny)
I'm sorry but sex was not invented for recreational use. It was invented as a method of procreation to create more people. You think sex was created so people can have sex clubs and kinky orgies? Oh dear god I hope not. The vast majority of the times sex is used in the world is not for fun. Unless you consider making a woman fat for 9 months just to create a new person fun then yes sex is recreational.
Re:A step in the right direction... (Score:3, Insightful)
It's also used (quite effectively, even according to the FBI) as a means of defense against violent human predators.
I have no problem if you don't want to carry or use a gun. Go ahead, be prey - your safety isn't my problem. It isn't even the problem of the cops, according to recent court rulings. But you don't have any business trying to turn me into prey just because you can't stand the notion that I may not be as spineless as you are.
Max
Re:A step in the right direction... (Score:3, Insightful)
My kid has a far better chance of drowning or dying in a fall than getting shot. You won't, however, see me campaigning to outlaw swimming pools or ladders.
Unlike you I see an actual value in gun ownership: self defense.
I'd have to say the number of citizens who've SUCCESSFULLY fended off a burgler/rapist/murderer with a gun is MUCH lower than the number of people that use guns to go shoot up schools/stores/people, etc.
According to the FBI somewhere between 200,000 and 800,000 violent crimes are prevented every year because the intended victim was carrying a gun. The gun is actually discharged in less than 1/10 of 1% of these cases, and most of the time the discharge doesn't result in an actual injury. So you're dead wrong in your assumption.
The FBI no longer publishes the study in question, but there are plenty of others that support these statistics. One of the most scientific and widely-reknown is "Firearms and Violence: A Critical View" by the National Research Council of the National Academy of Sciences; you used to be able to get a pdf version of their report online and I have a copy of it myself. Unless you're going to go completely whacko and contend that these folks have a huge pro-gun bias I suggest that you use this study (along with all the others cited in the paper) to educate yourself on the actual defensive use of guns in the U.S. and its efficacy in preventing violent crimes.
Max
Re:A step in the right direction... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:A step in the right direction... (Score:4, Insightful)
I'm sorry but the gun was not invented for recreational use. It was invented as a weapon of war to maim and destroy people.
It really makes no sense to talk about "the gun". Although the first guns were weapons of war, they have fairly little in common with modern firearms. During the long (and continuing) evolution of guns, many different uses impacted their development, and some of them had nothing to do with war. For example, one very significant advance -- the long, rifled barrel -- was quickly adopted by armies after its military capabilities were demonstrated during the US Revolutionary War, but that advance was developed to produce a better tool for gathering food. There are many other such examples.
Guns today are designed and built for many different purposes, and their designs reflect it. Some are primarily designed for killing or wounding people. Military arms and many handguns fit this category, with many subcategories for particular environments and goals. Some are designed solely for supported target shooting, using very small bullets and enormously long, thick, heavy barrels. Some are designed for hunting, with widely differing designs based on the characteristics of the animal to be hunted and the environment in which it is hunted.
And, yes, the analogy between guns and BT is very misleading, except insofar as they're both tools that can be applied to many different purposes. But that is such a large category that it would be wise to pick a different, less inflammatory tool than the gun for the comparison. Like a hammer. Or a car. Or a TCPA Trusted Platform Module ;-)
Re:A step in the right direction... (Score:4, Insightful)
Of course, this also renders the grandparents claim meaningless:
Even if BitTorrent was mostly used for illegal purposes (which is impossible to know for certain), this would in no way invalidate the fact that it is used for legal ones (such as distributing Linux distributions) as well.
BTW. I can't help but notice that every time there's some kind of argument, it will turn into a debate about firearms sooner or later.
Re:A step in the right direction... (Score:3, Interesting)
Guns were built to kill things, software was written to distribute content. Killing things is usually best left to a (legitimate) government who has the monopoly on legitimate use of force. Content is up to the members of society to be done in good taste and within the norms of such society.
doesn't, by nature, break the rules, perhaps the problem lies not in the distribution medium but between the chair and the keyboard.
Re:A step in the right direction... (Score:2)
shh... don't say that too loud, they are everywhere.
Re:A step in the right direction... (Score:3, Insightful)
So there is still a fairly just debate over the fact that guns are by nature evil
Bittornet is designed to take the load off of server , and by its nature is good
However there is an argument that it can be used to help people download infringing materials.
So Guns are designed to kill , Torrent are designed to aid.
many people use guns for legitimate reasons such as Hunting for food or to cull an animal population.
Guns are also used by murderers to murder people
Many people use bittorent for legitimate reasons such as downloading files that are not copyright infringments in their country!
Torrents can be used for a slightly negative reasons, IE Infringment by those scurvy Infringers of the High seas.
So to sum it up
at best , guns kill for food at worst guns kill.
At best torrents help the internet , at worst they potentialy infringe some copyright.
Re:A step in the right direction... (Score:5, Insightful)
Bittorrent was designed to download. The analogy to the gun is stupid ad best. You can't threaten a download with azureus. "I MIGHT USE SOMEBODY ELSE'S BANDWIDTH TO DOWNLOAD YOUR FILE! FEAR ME!"
Then again, I could be completely wrong, because, as I recall, sport utility vehicles were designed for offroad driving, not taking up 4 parking spaces at the fucking Krogers, you fucking asshole. How are those keytip-sized scratches looking?
A few notes (Score:3, Informative)
A significant portion of the vs-person use of guns is justified and legal and occurs every day all around the world. Self-defense and apprehension of criminals being the two most common examples.
Using extreme exaggeration as an appeal to authority is self-defeating. Easpecially when you attempt to lay down 'the truth'.
My signature may be of some help in this matter.
Re:What? (Score:2, Insightful)
I agree with Parent, why do
Re:What? (Score:3, Insightful)
Whatever your stance on copyright issues and such, the fact of the matter is that the technological revolution that has put a PC in most any home in the so-called developed world COULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED without piracy. What we call "p2p" today is just a relatively new way to do the same thing that has been going on since the floppy disk became standard.
I used to swap floppies via snailmail, long before any normal person had a modem at home. Which was perfectly cool, since neither RIAA, MPAA, BSA or whathaveyounot were legally allowed to inspect mail. I used to get thick envelopes full of floppies from Iceland, Finland, Germany, England, Italy, all over the place. And sent full floppies back. Chock full of warez from such fine groups as Pompey Pirates, Automation, Bad Brew Crew and others. I'm sure there are representatives for the "I used to bang rocks together to get ones and zeroes"-crowd out there who are getting ready to jump in right now and claim to have been trading fortran code written with a quilt pen for making punchcard nudie pics decades ago, or whatever.
Where would the PC be today without warez? Would 200GB hard-drives would be standard in workstations at this moment, if it weren't for good old warez? Would "Doom" have been a success if almost every kid on the planet with a computer had a pirate copy? Would people buy graphics cards twice the price of a standalone games console if they had to buy every title they wanted to play? Would the PC so completely dominate the computer games industry if it weren't for piracy? Would CD-burners ever have gotten into the home?
I can't say. Probably not. What I do know is that digital piracy has had a significant impact and has made all of us "consumers" spend our money differently. We have for instance neglected to buy as many copies of Britney Spears' ".. baby one more time" as we did Michael Jackson's "Thriller". Which you can interpret together with estimated downloads on p2p networks and say "kids aren't buying music any more, they're downloading it for free instead". Or you can try to grep reality and see that most kids spend their money on a lot more things now than they did. There are more shiny objects of desire to aquire than yesterday. The stars are standing shoulder to shoulder where before there were only a few, and when a star fails to sell any records, a new one is there before you can say "overhyped musically insignificant crap". Not only music artists and cinema tickets and rentals are avaliable any more. DVDs, cell phone content, handheld games, computer games, console games, online games, and so on.
I bet a good portion of the people who fail to show up at the screening of whatever "kung fu cop" movie is screening at the moment are at home watching something really good that they would have NEVER heard of were it not for piracy, like for instance this really good Thai martial arts/action movie which you would probably have never come across if I had not given you a tip: Ong-Bak.2003.DVDRip.XviD-VALiOMEDiA
(if you're l33t you'll know how to find it, if you're n00b you'll have to make some friends who can teach you how to be l33t. An excellent way to make l33t friends is to host an FTP server with loads of disk on a fast static link.)
The freedom of piracy means that people are able to experience the state of the art, even if they aren't aware of the product, can't afford it, can't find it, or maybe even are too stingy to buy. But so what, because through this sharing of data people are discerning the crap from the useful. People are recommending things to each other. Quality prevails in piracy, because it is natural selection. As people discover the new possibilities of various pieces of technology, they start to desire it. This sort marketing cannot be bought. For the companies that have good products at affordable prices and with good avaliability
Re:What? (Score:4, Insightful)
I'd have to venture a guess that 95% of gun use is against targets, 4.9% is against animals, and less than
Re:What? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:What? (Score:3, Interesting)
As to target's I think more people shot at targets learning how to hit people than shoot at targets learning how to hit animals.
Re:What? (Score:5, Insightful)
Shooting can be FUN. Not violent. It's an activity that takes a lot of skill to do right. Learning windage adjustments. Learning the temperment of your weapon. Recording datasets and adjusting your loadings to shrink a target group. Bedding the action or recrowning a barrel. There is a lot of work to shooting accurately, and a lot of people enjoy that activity just as an activity, with no ulterior motive (no more than any basketball player, football player, or golfer has).
That's where I think the gap exists. There's a large group of people out there that have the unwaivering belief that guns are out there only to kill people. Target practice? Oh yeah they're training to kill people. Hunting? Yeah they're just satisfying a violent streak. They'll break and kill people eventually. Self defense? They're just looking for an excuse to kill people.
Despite so much evidence to the contrary you still have people with the severest case of tunnel-vision I've every seen.
Some statistics (Score:4, Informative)
Good point, you should have done it rather than posting about it.
Here are some statistics for your hungry little minds.
From the Illinois Council against Handgun Violence [ichv.org]
Digging a little deeper, from the Department of Justice [usdoj.gov]
And from the Burlington Free Press [burlingtonfreepress.com]
Not a direct comparison, but it's hard to find numbers detailing the number of times a gun was discharged at a person versus discharged at an animal or target. Nevertheless, it's pretty apparent the original poster was incorrect. The vast majority of shooting in the US is not at people, but at animals and targets.
So, back on topic. The analogy was not a good one. A closer analogy could be made for handguns (handguns are not designed for hunting, but a lot of people do use them for target practice), but it still wouldn't be a good one.
Re:A step in the right direction... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:A step in the right direction... (Score:5, Funny)
Kent: Mr. Simpson, how do you respond to the charges that petty vandalism such as graffiti is down eighty percent, while heavy sack-beatings are up a shocking nine hundred percent?
Homer: Aw, people can come up with statistics to prove anything, Kent. Forty percent of all people know that.
Re:A step in the right direction... (Score:3, Interesting)
Porn is illegal now?
Not illegal, just copyrighted with all rights reserved. Take the example of Eyes Wide Shut, probably among the best written erotic films in existence. Yes, Warner Bros. Pictures is going to have a problem if somebody puts up a rip on Demonoid.
Re:A step in the right direction... (Score:5, Insightful)
Before you say 'wah wah bit torrent is faster', etc, it is only like that because it is centralised and so a tracker can make sure everyone is seeding, there are statistics which encourage people to seed, and most importantly, there are far less files, and so the bandwidth isnt spread out as thinly.
The more these guys work on decentralising BT, the closer you get to just being a less efficient and less established clone of emule. Whats the point?
As far as 'warezing' is concerned (99% of traffic), BT is a terrible protocol. The trouble is, these kids see the speed of BT and think thats the way to go. They realise the centralisation is a problem, and so try to fix that. Without realising they are just reinventing the wheel. They think they are going to get the best of both worlds, because they are just warezing kids and don't know any better.
How is eMule... (Score:2)
How is eMule any better? It certainly doesn't protect your anonymity. The eMule server acts in much the same role as the BT server, except the speeds are better on BT. Remove the tracker, and you got a "flash mob" of peers. Each dumpsite could just point to one member of the swarm, making it ten or a hundred targets instead of one lone tracker. BT has always been about security in numbers, except the users have been many and the sites many, but the tracker only one. How do you stop a hundred sites giving a hundred leads to a swarm of thousands of users? You simply don't.
Kjella
Re:How is eMule... (Score:2)
eMule eliminates this need for a 'dumpsite', it also has support for 'flash mobbing' or swarming. Basically, each peer is the tracker. The need for a 'dumpsite' is the biggest problem with BT as far as warezing is concerned - it is the weak point in the chain, and makes it more difficult for anyone to upload content.
For everything they are trying to do, it can just as easily be achieved by starting a seperate eDonkey network which limits the number of files you can share. But, 'oh no, what about people that connect to servers which allow more files' etc. This is going to be a problem with any p2p app, as bandwidth is shared between networks as hybrid clients emerge.
Basicaly, they don't realise it, but they are coming full circle, and the outcome is just going to be a another eDonkey network. Which means, why not just use the existing one.
Re:How is eMule... (Score:5, Interesting)
Here goes one reason: 9500KB pieces
Another: MD5-class hashes
The eD2k network uses oversized basic blocks and weak reference block hashes. Wasting up to 9.28MB because someone sent a bad bit is somewhat wasteful. So far, I have yet to see a torrent with >1MB pieces. Since MD5 is EOL, it is very likely that undetectable corruption exploits will appear in the near future (ViralG?). Killing legacy eD2k would be a good thing - those oversized blocks need to go, hopefully to be replaced by a scalable recursive tree hash.
Re:How is eMule... (Score:3, Interesting)
Seriously every time I have tried to use that network I have quit the download after a day or so of waiting in queues. This is before getting anything at all of the file. It sould be faster to just go down to Germany or whatever by car and copy the file to a CDR and go back.
I know I'm supposed to be online for a while before the eDonkey style queues start working in my favour; but I just can't be bothered.
Also note that BT isn't like a typical P2P as you can't really search for files. This is in fact a "good thing" as it protects you from " Nbr_of_files * Loads_of_cash = You_are_bancrupt" type lawsuits.
AFAIK RSS+Bittorrent type functions aren't available in other networks. (Not that it'd be impossible to add; but it's quite natural in BT.)
All that said, networks like eDonkey, DC et al certainly have their uses. So does BT (even if they add some distributed functionality to it).
Re:A step in the right direction... (Score:3)
Hell, why not use a Gnutella2, as Shareazaa does ?
Gnutella2 is a smaller network but is still pretty large, and it has the advantage of much shorter queues. Edonkey is cool for very large files which you don't mind waiting for, or for rare files. Gnutella2 is ideal for smaller files which you want to download quickly.
The more these guys work on decentralising BT, the closer you get to just being a less efficient and less established clone of emule. Whats the point?
Swarm management in Bittorrent is much more advanced than in edonkey/gnutella clients. The latter do have "swarming" possibilities in that you can download from multiple sources, but seem to have only primitive "retribution" system, etc.
If someone could set an Edonkey/Gnutella-like system and incorporate Bittorrent's efficient swarm management in it, that would make a killing p2p network. The question is: why do these people insist on developing their own isolated software instead of using established protocols and systems ? Just merge Bittorrent and gnutella/edonkey and be done with it.
Thomas-
mldonkey (Score:3, Informative)
Plus, there is no official support for non-Windows platforms.
The eMule client itself is not official. If you want official, look at eDonkey Basic for Linux [edonkey2000.com]. Or just use mldonkey [berlios.de] like everyone else does.
Re:A step in the right direction... (Score:3, Informative)
All work fine. No they're not "official" eMule, but eMule itself isn't official. It's just client for a P2P network for which eDonkey2000 is the official client (and it DOES have official versions for non-Windows platforms).
Yeah, but where's the Spyware (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Yeah, but where's the Spyware (Score:5, Funny)
It's recording everything I do!
Torrent distribution (Score:4, Informative)
(Cant access the linked sites due to company policy (they allow
Re:Torrent distribution (Score:5, Interesting)
No we don't. This (java) version works perfectly already. Why does this _need_ to be ported?
Re:Torrent distribution (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Torrent distribution (Score:3, Informative)
Correct me if i'm wrong. I start to doubt as well now (not that it's bloated - only an (minimalistic) irc client doesn't make an app bloated) wether or not it can be removed/disabled.
Re:Torrent distribution (Score:5, Insightful)
It doesn't _need_ to be ported. There are at least two possible reasons to do so anyhow, one "moral", one pragmatic:
* It's difficult to distribute the Java runtime environment for some Linux distributions due to licensing issues. That means that for some of the most popular distros, installing Azureus is decidedly non-trivial for someone that's not fairly familiar with non-standard installation.
* If you are using no other Java app on the system (I don't), the footprint of Azureus + JavaVM is very sizeable. Having something run under a VM that's in use anyhow makes the app use much less resources.
Bonus reasons is that more alternative clients will shake out bugs and issues with the system, and will encourage further experimentation and exploration of the system and the UI.
At the same time, porting it (or reimplementing in another client) takes away exactly zero from the Azureus developers or users. It's a win-win situation.
Re:Torrent distribution (Score:2)
Newbs can't download or install anything (Score:3, Funny)
You obviously have neither parents nor an Uncle Bob who "knows computers" but who is always ringing you up for advise.
Re:Newbs can't download or install anything (Score:2, Insightful)
You obviously have neither parents nor an Uncle Bob who "knows computers" but who is always ringing you up for advise.
I do, several.
None however run Linux, (nor use bittorrent). With OS X, Java is already there. With Windows it is really simple to install. Will.
Re:Newbs can't download or install anything (Score:2)
Do your parents or Uncle Bob really need BitTorrent? :)
Re:Newbs can't download or install anything (Score:2)
I always say "how good are you with using MS-DOS?". If the answer is anything like "What's DOS?" or "Not really", i tell them to stick to windows. Saves both them and me a lot of frustration.
Re:Torrent distribution (Score:3, Insightful)
For all intents and purposes, if it can't be pulled down and installed automatically as part of the application install process, that precludes the use by the large majority of users.
Re:Torrent distribution (Score:2)
If your distribution limits your choices according to some religious view of software you might not share, then change distribution.
Re:Torrent distribution (Score:2)
I don't buy into the logic that creating competing open source projects automatically is a win-win situation. I can in fact come up with several negative consequences (this applies to all projects, not just Azureus).
Many projects means developers will be spread thin, negating the old "Many eyes make all bugs shallow". Developers for Azureus will have to work harder to implement new things and fix bugs, since developers who could have helped them are working on other projects.
More projects gives more choice to the users, but that also means they have to invest time in researching which best suit their needs.
Re:Torrent distribution (Score:5, Informative)
No, JamVM (although extremly small ~200kB) isn't anywhere near as fast as the Sun JRE. JamVM is an interpreter, not a JIT VM. But it's fast as far as VMs go.
If you want a Classpath-based VM which is fast you should look at Jikes RVM [sourceforge.net] or Kaffe [kaffe.org], or perhaps consider compiling to native with GCJ.
Azureus uses native GUI widgets by way of the Eclipse SWT so if JamVM supports the required communication methods between VM and System alright, then it won't be too hard to run.
JamVM handles native calls without problems. I've run Eclipse and other SWT apps on it myself.
However, Azureus doesn't run on Classpath yet. It's very close to it.. But there's still one or two small issues with the Classpath libraries. If someone wants to help out with this, email the classpath list (classpath@gnu.org) or drop in on #classpath on FreeNode. You'll be 'liberating' Azureus and helping free java at the same time.
Re:Torrent distribution (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Torrent distribution (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Torrent distribution (Score:3, Informative)
Everything updates just a little slow. You can be downloading via torrent something and have like 18%.
Then, go to another workspace and then later when I click back onto the Azureus workspace, it still shows 18% for about a second, then bam, all the values update. It's not my machine (p4,3.0ghz, gig ram).
Azureus, as an application, totally rules. It would be excellent in C or even python.
Re:Torrent distribution (Score:2)
Then why isn't there a corresponding application in C or Python? How do you know that re-implementing them in another language doesn't create new bugs (security issues for C, for instance) that using Java has eliminated?
Re:Torrent distribution (Score:2)
em.. (Score:5, Informative)
These days, and since the year 2000 with the release of Java 1.3, Java UI's have been very usable. And Java is much faster than Python; it's comparing mixed mode dynamic compilation (Java) vs. interpreted (Python)! Pysco's JIT release in 2003 may have sped things up somewhat, but it's far from mainstream.
As for running on a 266Mhz machine, what's "plenty" of Python apps? Were they all graphical? I think you'd find graphical Python to be pretty pokey (pyGTK or what have you). Command-line Java is pretty fast.
Re:Torrent distribution (Score:3, Informative)
By contrast, BitComet (or multiple BitTornado instances) can do that and I don't even know it's running.
If all you're doing is leeching, then Azareus is great. I do recommend it to people. But BitComet is more scalable. I also use BitTornado for a day or two on new torrents, because BitComet doesn't super-seed.
You'd be crying anyway. (Score:3, Insightful)
If you were doing all of that on a 2GHz with only 1GB RAM, you'd be crying even if you weren't running Azureus.
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Need Referals? The ref stops here [refstop.com]
Re:Torrent distribution (Score:3, Interesting)
Erm... because you can't run it in the background over SSH session on another server through 56kbit link? Or just choose any other reason...
Re:Torrent distribution (Score:2)
Oh please, why that ? I have not much against py but I do have against py-written apps. I had so much trouble with such apps, that I avoid anything related to it if I can. You can call this FUD spreading, but that was not my intention, it just what happened. If you want so much to port the stuff, make it c+gtk or c+qt or c# based, it still would be multi-platform. I don't have anything against the java client, still, I always used other torrent clients (like bitcomet) because of speed and/or stability.
Downloaded using these new torrents (Score:3, Funny)
Whatcha want, watcha want
Whatcha gonna do
When sheriff RIAA come for you
Tell me
Whatcha gonna do, whatcha gonna dooo
Yeaheah
CHORUS:
Bad Pirates, bad Pirates
Whatcha gonna do, whatcha gonna do
When the RIAA come for you
(Repeat)
When you were twenty
And you had bad traits
You go to College
And learn the golden rule
So why are you
Acting like a bloody fool
If you get hot torrents
You must get cool
CHORUS
Using it now (Score:5, Interesting)
I've used it for a long time now, but the latest itteration just seems to go beyond the call of duty.
Re:Using it now (Score:3, Interesting)
I'd love to see Win95/98 try to handle that
Waiting for netstat to finish it's output could be fun, too.
Re:Using it now (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Using it now (Score:3, Informative)
It's UDP so there's no sockets anyway. Datagrams are connectionless and have far less overheads.
76,000 would still kill most apps though...
Will.
Re:Using it now -- Danger Will! (Score:5, Interesting)
Exactly how long does this decentralized system take to recognize that someone is no longer connected, don't want to talk and (especially) has perhaps handed the DHCP IP address to the next person? I think I'll give it another try, but if I get results like last night I'll either disable that feature or give Azureus the boot.
Why not ANts? (Score:5, Interesting)
Completely different market (Score:5, Insightful)
That means
a) helluva lot more complexity in terms of making it work
b) lots of complexity in making it actually anonymous
c) massive loss of bandwidth due to proxying data around
Judging by the website:
"NOTE: The only way to speed up the ANts connection system is to let the net grow. Only with a reasonable number of high speed peers (i.e. peers that handles up to 30 connections) properly configured (firewall, ip etc.) initial connection can be easy and fast. So don't care about connection speed by now... let your node run and it will find peers or they will find it! DON't ASK TOO MUCH TO A NET MADE UP OF 20/30 peers..."
I call shenanigans. The demand will scale with the supply, in fact you start running into MORE problems with finding content on a large network, not less. See Freenet. Oh, and I hope the actual number of nodes is higher. With that few, you can map out the entire network and analyze it apart almost no matter how brilliant the software is...
Kjella
Kind of been done... (Score:4, Informative)
Shareaza has support for Gnutella, Gnutella 2, Edonkey and Bittorrent. As it provides a "bridge" between these networks, it means I am able to search for torrents from the two Gnutella networks, and edk. When I have this torrent, I can open it using the bittorrent part of Shareaza, and if that torrent is down, Shareaza will still hash the torrent and attempt to download the appropriate files from the Gnutella and eDonkey neworks. It's a nice idea, and really unites all the various p2p methods, using each method's strength to give an all round solid result.
I'm surprised that it's taken Azureus this long to catch up, and I'm sure we'll start to see a lot more bittorrent clients either offering their own solutions to this issue, or as in the case of Shareaza, using existing p2p networks to give backup to the Bittorrent protocol.
Re:Kind of been done... (Score:2)
Catch up? You don't seem to understand what the new features in Azureus are. From what I can see, they are nothing like what you mention. Different solutions for different problems.
Re:Kind of been done... (Score:2)
Perhaps the stability issues are related more to the operating system it's used on, and how that operating system handles network sockets?
Azureus is fast (Score:5, Interesting)
Making it easier to get to torrents is all well and good, but let's keep in mind that most of the *legal* stuff available through bittorrent is easy to find as it is.
Trackerless & bittorrent sites with login (Score:3, Interesting)
Lack of search... (Score:5, Insightful)
No the lack of search is exactly what differentiates the BitTorrent network (though its not really a network is it? It piggy backs off webservers) from other P2P apps.
This is not anything new. (Score:5, Informative)
Simply what it does is shares lists of peers between clients for matching infohashes...
It dosn't nessecerely decentralize it or remove the need for a tracker, as you need to get at least 1 ip from a member of the swarm (who has a compatible client)
It can help to get new peers if a tracker fails half way through, but you still need the initial peers ips from a tracker or similar.
Tor (Score:5, Interesting)
When the **AA see an IP address downloading from an infringing torrent, they direct their lawsuits towards the account holder for that IP. This puts people running Tor at risk of being sued. Is "It wasn't me, it was another Tor user" a valid defense? Are people going to be held accountable for the traffic that passes through their Tor server?
Re:Tor (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Tor (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Tor (Score:2)
IANAL but I think we're back to the 'substantial non-infringing uses' arguement again. Unlike P2P software, Tor has wide ranging uses covering a multitude of applications and protocols. I doubt the RIAA can sucessfully bring it down.
OTOH I doubt Tor can afford to defend itself unless the FSF comes to the rescue.
Bitcomet problem? (Score:2)
Java 1.5 (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Java 1.5 (Score:2)
JPC (Score:5, Interesting)
Given that torrents are supposed to account from anywhere between 30-70% of all internet traffic, depending on who you believe - this could go a long way towards easing bandwidth consumption issues. Of course, I have no idea how many ISPs are actually using this, the website http://www.joltid.com/index.php/peercache/ [joltid.com] is rather limited in it's information, and a google for the name reveals that there is still some question over the legality, so a lot of ISPs are keeping their heads down and using it on the quiet.
For flash traffic, such as a new game demo being released - or even torrented anime, which often sees in excess of 10-20 thousand people downloading it within 48 hours for the more popular series, this could save ISPs a lot of money.
eXeem (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:eXeem (Score:2)
Haven't updated the OSX port. (Score:2, Interesting)
Looks like a useful set of improvements (Score:2, Interesting)
Breaking file share ratios at private sites (Score:2, Interesting)
But what about the sites where a ratio is enforced so people seed and not just leech? This might break it as the clients might not talk to the main tracker anymore.
Is it even possible to enforce share ratios with distributed tracking?
I don't understand... (Score:3, Insightful)
Why the need for decentralized trackers? I don't get it! Bittorrent is supposed to be a haven for law-abiding citizens to trade Linux ISOs and Project Gutenberg text files.
Hide the senders IP address. (Score:2)
I gotta say... (Score:5, Insightful)
BitTorrent is great. p2p is great, in general. But continually highlighting how great it is for piracy (yeh, regardless of how lame the RIAA/MPAA are) just puts more negative attention on it and further affixes the concept of "p2p is bad" in people's minds, rather than what they should be thinking.
I don't know if slashdot editors actually are willing to edit posts rather than just put them up (I can see reasons for doing it and reasons for not doing it), but this post would have been just super without the last sentence.
OMG pretty (Score:4, Interesting)
(Karma bonus turned off because this is OT, but damn, I just had to say that.)
Reputation Management in BitTorrent (Score:5, Interesting)
clenfest@yahoo.com
Finally... (Score:3, Funny)
I don't see the point of this.. (Score:3)
Could this and compatible clients be the replacement to SuprNova and Lokitorrents, or does the lack of search negate its effectiveness?"
ignoring the fact that Lokitorrent and Suprnova would still be in business if they had trackers to legal files (like Linux distros) instead of illegal pirated music/movies/software.
All of the pirates can go fcuk themselves. The more you hide, the worse the penalties will be.. and the more inclined content creators will be to use draconian measures to protect their intellectual property.
I2P technology (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Distributed Bloat (Score:2)
I run azurus with a P3 500 w/ 168 MB RAM. I use it for lots of other thigngs too. I notice when it sucks up bandwith, but not resources.
Re:Great! (Score:2)
The link is from the Azureus site.
Re:Great! (Score:2)
Re:This is great (Score:3, Informative)
Why would you have to shut it down for other things? You realize you can throttle the up/down torrent bandwidth within the application, don't you? In Azureus, you can change the values without having to restart the app, too.
Re:Bittorrent killed Enterprise! (Score:5, Interesting)
I doubt it. Look at Battlestar Gallactice, which was downloaded left/right/up and down around the globe. It still managed to get renewed.
Nah, I think it's because Enterprise didn't know what direction it was going.