Azureus Decentralizes Bittorrent 672
BobPaul writes "While the eXeem project to decentralize Bittorrent remains in open beta, the Azureus Java Bittorrent project has recently released a major update that, among other things offers 'a distributed, decentralised database that can be used to track decentralised torrents. This permits both "trackerless" torrents and the maintenance of swarms where the tracker has become unavailable or where the torrent was removed from the tracker.' It doesn't contain the search functionality of eXeem, but it's also not a beta product and is licensed under the GPL. Could this and compatible clients be the replacement to SuprNova and Lokitorrents, or does the lack of search negate its effectiveness?"
A step in the right direction... (Score:4, Interesting)
does the lack of search negate its effectiveness?
I'd say it "limits" it's effectiveness, not negates it. It's not really de-centralized if you still have to rely on sites like suprnova in order to search for stuff, is it? This is a major reason why BitTorrent hasn't completely dominated eMule yet.
But since this removes another potential point of failure in the network (the tracker), it is still a good thing(tm).
Using it now (Score:5, Interesting)
I've used it for a long time now, but the latest itteration just seems to go beyond the call of duty.
Re:A step in the right direction... (Score:1, Interesting)
just a side note...i heard that bt traffic is over 50% of all the internet's traffic.....or does did it meant p2p traffic is over 50% of all the internet's traffic?
Why not ANts? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Torrent distribution (Score:5, Interesting)
No we don't. This (java) version works perfectly already. Why does this _need_ to be ported?
Azureus is fast (Score:5, Interesting)
Making it easier to get to torrents is all well and good, but let's keep in mind that most of the *legal* stuff available through bittorrent is easy to find as it is.
Trackerless & bittorrent sites with login (Score:3, Interesting)
Tor (Score:5, Interesting)
When the **AA see an IP address downloading from an infringing torrent, they direct their lawsuits towards the account holder for that IP. This puts people running Tor at risk of being sued. Is "It wasn't me, it was another Tor user" a valid defense? Are people going to be held accountable for the traffic that passes through their Tor server?
Re:Using it now (Score:3, Interesting)
I'd love to see Win95/98 try to handle that
Waiting for netstat to finish it's output could be fun, too.
Re:Using it now (Score:3, Interesting)
JPC (Score:5, Interesting)
Given that torrents are supposed to account from anywhere between 30-70% of all internet traffic, depending on who you believe - this could go a long way towards easing bandwidth consumption issues. Of course, I have no idea how many ISPs are actually using this, the website http://www.joltid.com/index.php/peercache/ [joltid.com] is rather limited in it's information, and a google for the name reveals that there is still some question over the legality, so a lot of ISPs are keeping their heads down and using it on the quiet.
For flash traffic, such as a new game demo being released - or even torrented anime, which often sees in excess of 10-20 thousand people downloading it within 48 hours for the more popular series, this could save ISPs a lot of money.
eXeem (Score:3, Interesting)
Haven't updated the OSX port. (Score:2, Interesting)
Looks like a useful set of improvements (Score:2, Interesting)
Breaking file share ratios at private sites (Score:2, Interesting)
But what about the sites where a ratio is enforced so people seed and not just leech? This might break it as the clients might not talk to the main tracker anymore.
Is it even possible to enforce share ratios with distributed tracking?
Re:A step in the right direction... (Score:3, Interesting)
Guns were built to kill things, software was written to distribute content. Killing things is usually best left to a (legitimate) government who has the monopoly on legitimate use of force. Content is up to the members of society to be done in good taste and within the norms of such society.
doesn't, by nature, break the rules, perhaps the problem lies not in the distribution medium but between the chair and the keyboard.
Re:Trackerless & bittorrent sites with login (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Torrent distribution (Score:2, Interesting)
These would be developers who really know and like working in Python - rather than Java - to begin with. If they didn't do a Python reimplementation, they would do another Python project, not help on Azureus.
And as I wrote, doing a reimplementation does help shake out bugs and mistakes in the protocol and implementation.
Re:How is eMule... (Score:5, Interesting)
Here goes one reason: 9500KB pieces
Another: MD5-class hashes
The eD2k network uses oversized basic blocks and weak reference block hashes. Wasting up to 9.28MB because someone sent a bad bit is somewhat wasteful. So far, I have yet to see a torrent with >1MB pieces. Since MD5 is EOL, it is very likely that undetectable corruption exploits will appear in the near future (ViralG?). Killing legacy eD2k would be a good thing - those oversized blocks need to go, hopefully to be replaced by a scalable recursive tree hash.
Re:How is eMule... (Score:3, Interesting)
Seriously every time I have tried to use that network I have quit the download after a day or so of waiting in queues. This is before getting anything at all of the file. It sould be faster to just go down to Germany or whatever by car and copy the file to a CDR and go back.
I know I'm supposed to be online for a while before the eDonkey style queues start working in my favour; but I just can't be bothered.
Also note that BT isn't like a typical P2P as you can't really search for files. This is in fact a "good thing" as it protects you from " Nbr_of_files * Loads_of_cash = You_are_bancrupt" type lawsuits.
AFAIK RSS+Bittorrent type functions aren't available in other networks. (Not that it'd be impossible to add; but it's quite natural in BT.)
All that said, networks like eDonkey, DC et al certainly have their uses. So does BT (even if they add some distributed functionality to it).
Re:This is not anything new. (Score:2, Interesting)
The way AZ is doing things, a tracker is not required at all. If you can find one peer, you'll be able to find the entire DHT tree. Btw, this is currently an azureus only thing -- you won't learn of any non-az clients this way.
Re:Trackerless & bittorrent sites with login (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Bittorrent killed Enterprise! (Score:5, Interesting)
I doubt it. Look at Battlestar Gallactice, which was downloaded left/right/up and down around the globe. It still managed to get renewed.
Nah, I think it's because Enterprise didn't know what direction it was going.
Re:Torrent distribution (Score:1, Interesting)
I really don't understand people like you. What difference does it make whether someone reimplements something in another language? It takes nothing away from you.
Gnutella + BitTorrent (Score:2, Interesting)
Seems to me that the most obvious way to decentralise bittorrent would be to just have a separate gnutella network solely for .torrent files, along with a hack in the client that automatically runs bittorrent on the downloaded files.
Gnutella has progressed over the years, and is the fastest P2P app I know for small files. It would handle searching etc. too, and if you've tried a client like gtk-gnutella, you know that high-quality filtering is no problem.
Re:Torrent distribution (Score:3, Interesting)
Erm... because you can't run it in the background over SSH session on another server through 56kbit link? Or just choose any other reason...
Re:Using it now -- Danger Will! (Score:5, Interesting)
Exactly how long does this decentralized system take to recognize that someone is no longer connected, don't want to talk and (especially) has perhaps handed the DHCP IP address to the next person? I think I'll give it another try, but if I get results like last night I'll either disable that feature or give Azureus the boot.
Re:A step in the right direction... (Score:3, Interesting)
Porn is illegal now?
Not illegal, just copyrighted with all rights reserved. Take the example of Eyes Wide Shut, probably among the best written erotic films in existence. Yes, Warner Bros. Pictures is going to have a problem if somebody puts up a rip on Demonoid.
Re:What? (Score:3, Interesting)
As to target's I think more people shot at targets learning how to hit people than shoot at targets learning how to hit animals.
OMG pretty (Score:4, Interesting)
(Karma bonus turned off because this is OT, but damn, I just had to say that.)
Reputation Management in BitTorrent (Score:5, Interesting)
clenfest@yahoo.com
I2P technology (Score:3, Interesting)