poundhard writes "Some two years ago, it was mentioned on TorrentFreakand Slashdot that The Pirate Bay team were working on a YouTube competitor. At the oral proceedings of the Spectrial, I believe it was Peter Sunde, aka Brokep, who said to the prosecutor that it was one of those side projects that failed. A few days ago though, he appeared over Skype at the Open Video Conference in New York, and apparently said that they were about to launch something new. It has been speculated in Norway that it will be the IPREDator. But I checked out The Video Bay, and hey, it is about to go live! This is what they write: 'To stay in the spirit on which TPB was founded and using the Latest Technology, TVB aims to use the new HTML5 features, more specifically the <video> and <audio> tags with the ogg/theora video and audio formats. This site will be an experimental playground and as such subjected to both live and drunk (en)coding, so please don't bug us too much if the site ain't working properly.'"
So now private beta websites that don't really do anything new get to the front page of slashdot? The only thing I can see is the front page, everything else requires a username and password. Let me know when they do something notable.
The whole idea is that you can't get in, but certain people can. What's the use of having access to a private closed beta unless you can tell the world? There's not much point in having the privilege unless others are denied it...hence the link to a login-only page. It's not for you, but it's OK if you still lust after it.
This is great. I was looking for somewhere that I could make videos in Ogg Theora format and upload them. I had tried a combination of archive.org and theorasea.org but it was quite terrible really.
Hopefully this will help to increase support for Ogg Theora. I'd like to see wikipedia start using Ogg Theora too, they used to have some videos on articles like the Wright Brothers flight at Kitty Hawk which was a neat little addition, but they seem to have disappeared.
While technically your post contains information that is news to many, and is therefore informative, I worry about the person who felt it was important enough information to merit this moderation.
But you must first get into their elite cult circle of demigods, passing trough several levels of introduction tests and approvals, to be able to upload everything. (Wait for this to be true for every page on that site too. Partially it already is true right now.)
I know that you can upload it to youtube and it'll convert it... But to watch it you need flash, or to use a script to download the video files or something other things... I want to avoid using a site that requires you to use non-free software for it to work properly.
It is not free software. Free software has a very specific meaning. When it is spoken on, especially in a community such as slashdot it refers to software that you have freedom with. So software under the GPL, BSD, MIT, etc licenses. http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html [gnu.org]
I was looking for somewhere that I could make videos in Ogg Theora format and upload them. I had tried a combination of archive.org and theorasea.org but it was quite terrible really
Have you tried using tinyvid.tv [tinyvid.tv]. It uses Ogg Theora, using HTML 5 video, will fallback to the Java Cortado applet to play the video if the browser doesn't support HTML5.
There is a fundamental difference between Youtube and something like The Pirate Bay or The Video Bay. Youtube isn't about piracy, the initial purpose of it was social networking and it continues to try to strive for that. People may use it to upload movies, etc. and split them into parts to get around it, but Youtube does what it can to remove copyrighted material so its not at fault.
So when they say that they are trying to make a competitor to Youtube, I can see that they are very misguided.
Social networking between people that are not content creators (most people) inherently includes massive use of other peoples creations. Saying that a social networking video site is not the same thing as a pirate site is pretty much semantics.
Dude, have you actually been on Youtube recently? More than half of it is illegal content. And a good deal of it is private and shared amongst closed groups, so probably even more.
People don't even care much for the social aspects of it. Most people register just to leave comments, or at least keep track of favorite videos.
TVB is a DIRECT competitor to Youtube, considering most people WANT to upload content that is copyrighted! (well, not now, but when it does come out) The people in
Youtube isn't about piracy, the initial purpose of it was social networking and it continues to try to strive for that.
Er, it may not have been about piracy initially, but anyone other than a casual observer today will see that YouTube hosts a lot of illegal (as in not copyright cleared) material. In fact I'd estimate that perhaps half the content is pirated in some form (either video or audio).
I use Youtube as my music jukebox at work. I search for just about any song that pops into my head and someone has uploaded a "video" of it to Youtube, so I listen and minimize the browser. It's nice.
Yeah, it's where people (or "ppl") go to tell each other ("ur") that they are homosexual ("fags"), and that this sucks ("blows"), and that they are most amused at their own witticisms ("lolz").
Some related news: Peter Sunde, one of the convicted(and appealing) men behind The Pirate Bay is right now at 'Fórum Internacional Software Livre' in Brazil where he among other things got to meet the brazilian president Lula. Here [trezentos.blog.br] is a picture of the meeting. Peter Sunde himself talks a bit about it in his blog [brokep.com].
So what now Joe Biden? Time to invade Brazil for fraternizing with the enemy?
The "linking defense will not work" in my original message wasn't limited to a particular country (or law, even). It is the entire argument that somehow Google are the Pirate Bay are the same things in that they only provide links. That they never did anything wrong or broken the law since they are not the ones uploading the actual files. That is that the users are the ones responsible, not TPB/TVB. Now that they will be hosting this, the pro-TPB crowd will kill their own defenses in IP debates, be it ethic
Incredible - is there anything the IPHONE can't do?
(Although the question of whether it works on the Iphone will likely be "No, because that's just featurism, you don't need that feature. We'll only do it when most other phones have done it first, and then claim credit for being 'first'".)
The one smart PR move that renegade countries like Iran, Zimbabwe or North Korea don't ever make is hosting other renegades, from the other side of the pond (like tpb or tvb). They'd score a major coup by showing that there are excesses and abuses perpetrated by their critics as well, and rather than having to perform the filtering and censorship themselves, they'd be forcing the West to do it for them, allowing themselves to be painted as the good guys.
....But they won't do it. In case you hadn't seen it a few days ago TPB changed their logo to be "The Iran Bay" with links to materials helping protesters get their message out. The idea was even used in an April Fools gag a while back on their site about moving to North Korea.
About all that will go to these countries would be shady porn sites or for-profit warez groups. The rest will simply refuse because they care more about these issues than being "legal".
If this is going to get mainstream use with any kind of revenue stream, they'll need ads, and they'll need ads that aren't too offensive. Many of TPB's ads are for shady porn sites.... that'll have to go if this will be the sort of place I tell my family view my videos at.
They're trying to compete with Youtube?... Compete for what? The privilege of losing $1.65 million per day [slashdot.org]? If the MPAA was smart they would help The Pirate Bay set this up!
Javascript's same origin policy [wikipedia.org] would prevent such a thing from happening. On the other hand, I see no reason why browsers could not support magnet: URIs [wikipedia.org] for <video> sources on p2p, possibly passing them off to an external program to download.
What are we replacing it with this week? Silverlight or something else? Maybe realplayer? Hah. This is a semi-legitimate question on my end as I really don't keep up with this.
So we use HTLM5, how do we get around flagrant abuse that we've seen with flash and java? I'm just running with a thought here, not sure what it is quite yet.
Wooo! (Score:5, Funny)
Good for them, though.
I have to ask... (Score:5, Funny)
Private, Beta and Useless (Score:5, Insightful)
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TVB aims to use the new HTML5 features, more specificly the and tags with the ogg/theora video and audio formats.
Youtube's html5 test page didn't use ogg, last I checked, and Wikimedia's content has limited entertainment value.
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Awesome stuff (Score:4, Insightful)
Hopefully this will help to increase support for Ogg Theora. I'd like to see wikipedia start using Ogg Theora too, they used to have some videos on articles like the Wright Brothers flight at Kitty Hawk which was a neat little addition, but they seem to have disappeared.
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But you must first get into their elite cult circle of demigods, passing trough several levels of introduction tests and approvals, to be able to upload everything.
(Wait for this to be true for every page on that site too. Partially it already is true right now.)
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you are free to write your own plugin for flash conent playback.
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I've uploaded tons of stuff to YouTube that was Ogg Theora. You're not looking hard enough.
You can upload Ogg Theora videos on Youtube, but they will be automatically transcoded to FLV and viewable only as such.
The OP obviously looks for a site that allows viewing of ogg theora videos, thus getting rid of Flash lameness.
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It transcodes to H.263/H.264.
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http://v2v.cc/ [v2v.cc] ?
Your own web host, perhaps?
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Helpin out (Score:3, Interesting)
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They just don't get it, do they? (Score:2)
There is a fundamental difference between Youtube and something like The Pirate Bay or The Video Bay. Youtube isn't about piracy, the initial purpose of it was social networking and it continues to try to strive for that. People may use it to upload movies, etc. and split them into parts to get around it, but Youtube does what it can to remove copyrighted material so its not at fault.
So when they say that they are trying to make a competitor to Youtube, I can see that they are very misguided.
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Dude, have you actually been on Youtube recently?
More than half of it is illegal content. And a good deal of it is private and shared amongst closed groups, so probably even more.
People don't even care much for the social aspects of it.
Most people register just to leave comments, or at least keep track of favorite videos.
TVB is a DIRECT competitor to Youtube, considering most people WANT to upload content that is copyrighted! (well, not now, but when it does come out)
The people in
People may use it to upload movies
is actually quite a sign
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Youtube isn't about piracy, the initial purpose of it was social networking and it continues to try to strive for that.
Er, it may not have been about piracy initially, but anyone other than a casual observer today will see that YouTube hosts a lot of illegal (as in not copyright cleared) material. In fact I'd estimate that perhaps half the content is pirated in some form (either video or audio).
Youtube is my jukebox at work. (Score:2)
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Yeah, it's where people (or "ppl") go to tell each other ("ur") that they are homosexual ("fags"), and that this sucks ("blows"), and that they are most amused at their own witticisms ("lolz").
Peter Sunde of TPB meets the Brazilian President (Score:5, Informative)
Some related news:
Peter Sunde, one of the convicted(and appealing) men behind The Pirate Bay is right now at 'Fórum Internacional Software Livre' in Brazil where he among other things got to meet the brazilian president Lula. Here [trezentos.blog.br] is a picture of the meeting.
Peter Sunde himself talks a bit about it in his blog [brokep.com].
So what now Joe Biden? Time to invade Brazil for fraternizing with the enemy?
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A username and password are being requested by http://thevideobay.org. The site says: "The Vidoe Bay"
That's a great idea. Make a 401 website that looks interesting, and collect passwords. Get it on slashdot -> Jackpot!
So now they're going to start hosting . . . (Score:2, Insightful)
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iphone (Score:3, Interesting)
If this works on the iPhone, it's going to force youtube to adopt HTML5.
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Why? YouTube already works on the iPhone.
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Incredible - is there anything the IPHONE can't do?
(Although the question of whether it works on the Iphone will likely be "No, because that's just featurism, you don't need that feature. We'll only do it when most other phones have done it first, and then claim credit for being 'first'".)
Ahma's gr88-st opportunity (Score:4, Interesting)
The one smart PR move that renegade countries like Iran, Zimbabwe or North Korea don't ever make is hosting other renegades, from the other side of the pond (like tpb or tvb). They'd score a major coup by showing that there are excesses and abuses perpetrated by their critics as well, and rather than having to perform the filtering and censorship themselves, they'd be forcing the West to do it for them, allowing themselves to be painted as the good guys.
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About all that will go to these countries would be shady porn sites or for-profit warez groups. The rest will simply refuse because they care more about these issues than being "legal".
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Legitimacy (Score:5, Insightful)
Legitimate videos == legitimate ads.
If this is going to get mainstream use with any kind of revenue stream, they'll need ads, and they'll need ads that aren't too offensive. Many of TPB's ads are for shady porn sites.... that'll have to go if this will be the sort of place I tell my family view my videos at.
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I'm glad I didn't expect anything to work...
Good luck with that... (Score:5, Insightful)
They're trying to compete with Youtube?... Compete for what? The privilege of losing $1.65 million per day [slashdot.org]? If the MPAA was smart they would help The Pirate Bay set this up!
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They're trying to compete with Youtube?... Compete for what? The privilege of losing $1.65 million per day [slashdot.org]?
Well, it's a great privilege. Not everyone can do that.
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Not likely (and luckily), IMHO, seeing how many other browsers they suggest .
OTOH all of those browser also got nice Javascript speedups lately...perhaps enough to implement something "bittorrent-like" there?
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So Flashsucks...but... (Score:2)
What are we replacing it with this week? Silverlight or something else? Maybe realplayer? Hah. This is a semi-legitimate question on my end as I really don't keep up with this.
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So we use HTLM5, how do we get around flagrant abuse that we've seen with flash and java? I'm just running with a thought here, not sure what it is quite yet.