Transparent Aluminum Is "New State of Matter" 406
Professor_Quail writes with this interesting excerpt: "Oxford scientists have created a transparent form of aluminum by bombarding the metal with the world's most powerful soft X-ray laser. 'Transparent aluminum' previously only existed in science fiction, featuring in the movie Star Trek IV, but the real material is an exotic new state of matter with implications for planetary science and nuclear fusion."
This is a great breakthrough... (Score:5, Funny)
This is a great breakthrough. This means that we can now wear full face tinfoil hats for even more protection without risking to bump into something anymore. Thanks that tinfoil hats are actually made of aluminum nowadays ! ;-))
Imagine the progress for this brave user:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_JVVaXmiE24g/RuYklvXfUqI/AAAAAAAAFDo/ES8XpC4bcbg/s400/tinfoil2.bmp [blogspot.com]
Tinfoil hats are made of aluminum:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin_foil_hat [wikipedia.org]
Re:This is a great breakthrough... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:This is a great breakthrough... (Score:5, Funny)
A "keyboard"... how quaint.
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I mean, don't they still teach Assembly, COBOL and basic tube processor design in the good schools even though we've gone way past these "quaint" technologies?
Re:This is a great breakthrough... (Score:5, Interesting)
A "keyboard"... how quaint.
So why was he so good with it? Punch cards are quaint from my perspective but I wouldn't know where to start with them. Is he also proficient with using a morse code transmitter?
Maybe using an "old style" keyboard had become something of a game, something that engineering students would compete on to prove they were hard core.
Or maybe, just maybe, it is only a piece of entertainment. If you are going to fail to suspend disbelief at the moment Scotty is able to use a keyboard proficiently how did you get through the previous scenes like the time travel thing, the whales communicating with aliens, and so on.
I will go shoot myself now, for being sad enough to post the above!
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In the same way the Russians still use thermionic valves for aircraft and spacecraft, and indeed high-end audiophiles use them for sound systems, there may be contexts in 25th century engineering where a mechanical keyboard is safer/superior to a touchscreen panel. In that case, Scotty would certainly have needed to be proficient with them.
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In the same way the Russians still use thermionic valves for aircraft and spacecraft, and indeed high-end audiophiles use them for sound systems, there may be contexts in 25th century engineering where a mechanical keyboard is safer/superior to a touchscreen panel.
You're overthinking this. There would still be needs to input text manually in certain situations. They do use touchscreens... why wouldn't QWERTY have survived on a touch surface? The difference doesn't need to be as exotic as telegraph to telephone; it might just be manual typewriter to electric typewriter.
Re:This is a great breakthrough... (Score:4, Insightful)
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Maybe using an "old style" keyboard had become something of a game, something that engineering students would compete on to prove they were hard core.
Or maybe, just maybe, it is only a piece of entertainment. If you are going to fail to suspend disbelief at the moment Scotty is able to use a keyboard proficiently how did you get through the previous scenes like the time travel thing, the whales communicating with aliens, and so on.
Actually, I think it's more (as I heard before) that it's OK to expect audiences to believe the impossible, but not the improbable. So it's fine that the crew of the Enterprise just time-travelled back to 1986 on a Bird of Prey, but it's not fine that a 23rd century engineer is able to touch type and operate a mid-80s Mac like he'd done this all his life.
It may not be completely logical, but since when is the human mind completely logical?
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I find his expertise with a keyboard a bit unlikely, though perhaps plausible.
What I find *totally* laughable is not that he type like a daemon, but that he not only knows a 20th-century (hundreds of years old, to him) CAD program, he knows it so well that he even has all the keyboard shortcuts memorized and can create a highly complex engineering document without even touching the mouse. In about 30 seconds.
Re:This is a great breakthrough... (Score:4, Interesting)
A "keyboard"... how quaint.
So why was he so good with it? Punch cards are quaint from my perspective but I wouldn't know where to start with them.
Think of it as in-depth engineering. Some of us can handle WIMPy interfaces and languages (AJAX should be a swear word), but still be proficient with earlier generations of technology. I've used vast quantities of punched cards (mostly FORTRAN-66 garnished with IBM JCL), and miles of paper tape (yay PDP-8/e). And if you're really interested, I can send and receive both Morse and semaphore - the real kind of semaphore where you hold flags in your hands. Never learned much beyond basics in smoke signals, however.
Re:This is a great breakthrough... (Score:4, Funny)
But can ye tell the young'uns about that nowadays? Noooo...
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A "keyboard"... how quaint.
So why was he so good with it?
Because he's Scotty.
Punch cards are quaint from my perspective but I wouldn't know where to start with them.
You, sir, are no Scotty.
Is he also proficient with using a morse code transmitter?
Yes. The Starfleet Engineering program is a thorough motherfucker.
Re:This is a great breakthrough... (Score:4, Informative)
Re:This is a great breakthrough... (Score:5, Funny)
A "keyboard"... how quaint.
So why was he so good with it? Punch cards are quaint from my perspective but I wouldn't know where to start with them. Is he also proficient with using a morse code transmitter?
Because he's Scotty. He's bad ass!
Don't you watch the show?
P.S., yes, he is proficient in morse code. Even lowly captain picard knows how to write long instructions in binary! :D
And we all know the engineers know waaaay more than the officers, in any time period
(Two more stamps on my geek card and I get a free sandwich!)
Re:This is a great breakthrough... (Score:4, Funny)
But can we be sure that this is the guy who actually invented it?
I know what you mean! I invented the time machine, then it turns out my wife had already patented it a year earlier! Guess that means she's going to find out I've been tapping her sister...
Re:This is a great breakthrough... (Score:4, Funny)
Guess that means she's going to find out I've been tapping her sister...
Only after you find out that her sister is also your own great-grandmother.
Re:This is a great breakthrough... (Score:5, Funny)
Tin foil hats are made from tin foil. If you're using aluminum foil, you're making an aluminum foil hat.
Incidentally, aluminum is not very effective at blocking the government's mind control rays. Why do you think they replaced tin foil with aluminum foil? Luckily I stocked up decades ago, but anyone who thinks aluminum foil will protect them is playing right into the government's hands.
Posting anonymously for obvious reasons.
Re:This is a great breakthrough... (Score:5, Funny)
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We've just tangented from one meme to another so seamlessly it's almost INCONCEIVABLE!
Re:This is a great breakthrough... (Score:5, Funny)
So, you're saying that NEITHER tin nor aluminum is effective?!?
That's right. The only thing you can do is spend a year building up an immunity to government mind control rays.
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It requires a [CENSORED BY NSA] number of alternating layers to be effective.
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He's right; researchers at MIT confirmed [mit.edu] that aluminum foil actually amplifies, rather than blocks, the government's mind control rays.
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Fantastic! Now all we have to do to avoid the government pummeling our heads with powerful X-ray lasers is to... uh... pummel our heads with powerful X-ray lasers.
Re:This is a great breakthrough... (Score:5, Informative)
I saw this at New Scientist [newscientist.com] yesterday and almost submitted it, until I actually read the article. The bombardment that makes it transparent only lasts for fractions of a nanosecond before the foil is comlpetely destroyed. A few commenters there pointed to some wikipedia articles with other transparent metals. One commenter said
Then there's Aluminium oxynitride [wikipedia.org] which comes far closer to the Star Trek windows:
Transparent ceramics: [wikipedia.org]
The value of the work described in TFA isn't that they made transparent aluminum, but
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The bombardment that makes it transparent only lasts for fractions of a nanosecond before the foil is comlpetely destroyed.
Then how did they know it was actually transparent and not destroyed?
They just assumed!
I guess it could be compared to Cosmo Kramer's cold cut slices that were so thin he couldn't see them.
Re:This is a great breakthrough... (Score:5, Funny)
I saw this at New Scientist [newscientist.com] yesterday and almost submitted it, until I actually read the article.
Oh you newbies, reading articles before submitting them.
Re:This is a great breakthrough... (Score:5, Funny)
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Frankly (Score:5, Funny)
I just can't see it.
"Tansparent" (Score:5, Informative)
If I got TFA right, it's only transparent to ultraviolets, through a tiny hole, and for a few femtoseconds. I'm sure it's great news but it's a bit over my head, and it's definitely nothing as cool as I was picturing.
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That's my read too.
This part of the summary was particularly misleading:
"but the real material is an exotic new state of matter with implications for planetary science and nuclear fusion.""
it should be changed to this:
"but the real material is an exotic new state of matter with implications for research into planetary science and nuclear fusion."
Re:"Tansparent" (Score:5, Informative)
Basically this was a HUGE hurdle - they were able to show this is possible. Now they will get more funding and they can continue...hopefully we will see (or in this case not see) invisible alumnimum in the future and eventually other items.
BTW - similar systems (recent article) was the Green diode laser. Now with green diode lasers we will eventually have TVs using lasers to draw our images.
Re:"Tansparent" (Score:4, Insightful)
I would say that a microscopic hole that is transparent for a few femtoseconds to a small slice of the magnetic spectrum is more of a proof of potential possibility than a proof of concept of what the phrase "transparent aluminum" brings to mind.
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See, your comment is a perfect example of the cancer that is "science" journalism. This experimental result is in no way something that could ever be made into windows or body armour. This was a misconception due to certain words (like transparent) having rigorous meanings in the scientific community.
A suitable analogy: Journalist reads wikipedia page on the stanford Z-Machine, sees "wires move fast". Could this be the next step in automatic cheese-slicing technology? No.
Another analogy: The superheated pla
I must say... (Score:2, Funny)
Thats a whale of a claim.
Temporary (Score:5, Informative)
Not to diminish their accomplishments, but from TFA:
This turned the aluminium nearly invisible to extreme ultraviolet radiation.
Whilst the invisible effect lasted for only an extremely brief period - an estimated 40 femtoseconds - it demonstrates that such an exotic state of matter can be created using very high power X-ray sources.
So this doesn't quite have as broad a nerd appeal as the summary would lead us to believe.
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Star Trek's transparent aluminum [slashdot.org] has already been realized [slashdot.org] by heating aluminum but Oxford scientists claim to have found a new state of matter [ox.ac.uk] while making transparent aluminum. The laser in use is the FLASH laser, based in Hamburg, Germany and each brief pulse of X-Ray energy it releases is 'more powerful than the output of a power plant that provides electricity to a whole city.' Although the new state only lasts about 40 femtoseconds, Oxford Professor Justin Wark has high hopes for this research, "Transparent aluminium is just the start. The physical properties of the matter we are creating are relevant to the conditions inside large planets, and we also hope that by studying it we can gain a greater understanding of what is going on during the creation of 'miniature stars' created by high-power laser implosions, which may one day allow the power of nuclear fusion to be harnessed here on Earth."
I think they're excited about the strange fusion capabilities this new state may allow them to harness. Nothing conclusive yet though.
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Tag this: sensationalslashdot
Doesn't look that way. (Score:4, Informative)
Nothing in the article makes it sound very transparent in the way we'd imagine transparency. Extreme ultra-violet? Maybe, but it sure looks from the image like that transparent aluminium is at best translucent for visible spectrum light -- look at how much that laser is diffused.
Re:Doesn't look that way. (Score:4, Funny)
As long as you can see whales through it, that's really all we need. Don't over-engineer things so much.
Fashion (Score:2, Offtopic)
with implications for planetary science and nuclear fusion.
And don't forget about the possibilities this will open up in terms of fashion for the foil hat crowd.
Al2O3 is transparent (Score:5, Informative)
Sapphire glass has been common place for many decades. It is by weight a little more than half Aluminum and very transparent.
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Probably relatively brittle though? I can't imagine it to deform first the way aluminium would.
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I remember watching years ago (early 90's?) on PBS some show (NOVA or similar) where researchers were growing rubies in a bowl of "ruby soup" with a shard of a ruby as a starter, uh, crystal I guess. Apparently you would pop this recipe in the microwave for a half hour or so on low power and end up with a a chunk of material you could break up and grind down into a couple of 1 carat "rubies". The voiceover said they couldn't give away the recipe since it would tank the ruby market. I've googled for this mag
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If you're looking to experiment, ceramic stores (i.e. pottery craft supply sto
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The voiceover said they couldn't give away the recipe since it would tank the ruby market. I've googled for this magic recipe, but nothing's come up.
Sounds like the kind of BS you'd see advertised in spam.
http://www.answers.com/topic/synthetic-ruby [answers.com]
The "ruby market" was tanked (at least the first time) in 1885.
Re:Al2O3 is transparent (Score:4, Informative)
"Transparent" (Score:2)
Only at certain UV spectrum, according to the article.
It notes "core electrons" have been knocked out. I assume it's certain non-valent inner electron? Any one(s) in particular?
Oxford (Score:4, Funny)
Since the researchers are at Oxford, shouldn't the new material be "Aluminium"?
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How many times... (Score:2, Funny)
Have you wondered if that soda can over there is empty or full?
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Have you wondered if that soda can over there is empty or full?
Or has a cigarette butt in it?
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Adjectives and YOU! (Score:5, Funny)
world's most powerful soft X-ray laser.
Really, unless you're talking about bathroom tissue, you really shouldn't use the term "World's most powerful" and "Soft" together.
Repost? (Score:3, Informative)
How is this different from http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/08/23/1141217 [slashdot.org] ?
Re:Repost? (Score:4, Informative)
The previous story was about a ceramic, this seems to be more of a particle physics experiment which yielded something neat for 40 femtoseconds.
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I see it now that I finally got through to TFA :)
Cool physics experiment, indeed
Not a Repost (Score:2)
Two different technologies to create two different materials that happen to share the same description. The 2004 story you linked to is about a product that is in production, with real world tangible benefits, and is actually transparent in the visual spectrum. The one in the current story can't claim any of that.
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Old news (Score:2)
Just heat aluminium to 2500+ÂC and it becomes transparent.
Before jumping to conclusions, read the article (Score:5, Insightful)
This does not mean this process can be used to make transparent armor or other applications for super-strong glass. The article states that the x-rays wereï focused to a spot with a diameter smaller than a human hair's, the aluminum was transparent to ultraviolet, and the state lasted 40 femtoseconds. Details left out of the summary.
Nonetheless, this is incredibly cool. The new state of matter that is being boasted about is one where a non-valent electron is removed from atoms. Very cool.
pr0n (Score:2)
There has got to be a use somewhere... boots, S&M wear, something...
this is proof (Score:5, Informative)
meh (Score:2)
Transparant metal (Score:2)
This would be amazing in military applications and other defense applications. Watching the movie The Hurt Locker last night one of the guys (in the hum-v) was manning the machine gun. The top 1/3 of his body is exposed on the top of the hum-v which makes him prime pickings for incoming fire. If I was him I would want some defensive there - even very thick plexiglass (lined with metal wires)...given that is not available, this could do the trick. It may not block everything but
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they already do this in some vehicles but it's not practical in all applications.
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No, they didn't make transparent aluminum. (Score:5, Interesting)
short pulse from the FLASH laser 'knocked out' a core electron from every aluminum atom in a sample without disrupting the metal's crystalline structure. This turned the aluminum nearly invisible to extreme ultraviolet radiation.
..."Whilst the invisible effect lasted for only an extremely brief period - an estimated 40 femtoseconds..."
OK. so they took a really powerful soft X-ray pulse source and hammered an electron out of most of the atoms in a sample of aluminum. In 40 femtoseconds (!) the electrons were replaced, but for a brief period, the material would pass "extreme ultraviolet radiation". This isn't a "new material"; it's an old material in a very transient state. They were able to do this without blasting the aluminum apart, which is the new result. On the other hand, metals can be forced into electron-deprived states without too much trouble. Ordinary vacuum tubes do this.
The terminology here is puzzling. "Extreme ultraviolet radiation" and "soft X-rays" are in the same part of the spectrum. Does this mean that after being zapped with the giant X-ray pulse, some of the soft X-rays made it through? Or did they have two different illumination sources?
Also see "Extreme Ultraviolet Radiation Transport in Laser-Irradiated High-Z Metal Foils" [aps.org], from 1981, where someone seems to have come close to the same phenomenon.
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> On the other hand, metals can be forced into electron-deprived states without too much
> trouble. Ordinary vacuum tubes do this.
Ordinary vacuum tubes do not remove electrons from inner orbitals. They just knock the valence electrons off. This process removes inner electrons without disturbing the outer ones.
Re:No, they didn't make transparent aluminum.EXIST (Score:2)
Do "ordinary vacuum" tubes even exist any more?
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Ugg - /. Summaries! Yuck. (Score:2, Redundant)
2. It's not anything like what was described in Star Trek
3. It's only "invisible" for milliseconds.
Neat stuff for physicists, but not for anyone else, at the moment, as far as I can tell.
there is a LOLTREK for this already: (Score:2)
kulakovich
But where is it? (Score:2)
I don't care what it's made of. All I want to know is where this new state is located.
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It didn't need to be transparent!!! (Score:2)
Flash laser? (Score:2)
First we get a story about green lasers. Then something about security problems with Flash.
And now a story about a FLASH LASER?
Is that a huge coincidence or what?
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Article wrong, we already had transparent aluminum (Score:2, Informative)
If it has blue impurities, we call it a sapphire. Red impurities we call it a ruby.
Morevoer, we know how to make artificial rubies and sapphires, so this is not even the first man made transparent aluminum.
How many times now? (Score:5, Informative)
please tell me: How many time has transparent aluminium been discovered by now?
I think about five to six times... E.g. in 2005 [arstechnica.com]
Please don't wake me up the next time someone discovers it
CU, Martin
Star Trek fans will not be pleased (Score:2, Funny)
Cat's Cradle (Score:3, Funny)
Sounds cool, just as long as we don't accidentally create ice-nine while making these "new states of matter".
Missing an important point. (Score:4, Funny)
To say nothing of whale transport.
BBQ implications (Score:3, Funny)
I can now see what the status of my tinfoil wrapped dinner is without unwrapping it for a status check!
Hallelujah!
Why I do remember crap like this? (Score:5, Informative)
Dupe!
"Transparent Aluminum a Reality!"
http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/18/0337213 [slashdot.org]
From Tuesday October 18 2005.
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''What we have created is a completely new state of matter nobody has seen before,'"
How is this statement justified? So far, all I hear is "I pissed on a rock and it turned to mud - it's a new state of matter!"
Actually. if you think about their statement "created...new state of matter nobody has seen before"...give it's in the ultraviolet spectrum, and in that spectrum it is invisible...nobody has yet to see it.
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See, this is where you fail. Colloquail definitions and scientific terms by no means always mix.
Re: TFA (Score:4, Informative)
The last time I checked, the colloquail definition of "transparent" means "passes visible light".Glad to know those scientists can see in the UV range - sounds like evolution is moving apace.
UV light borders the "visible light" spectrum (much like IR light does), and any material that blocks one of those ranges almost always blocks the others. Transparency in a normally non-transparent material in any one of these ranges is important for 3 reasons:
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That's why Star Wars is better! (Score:2)
That's why Star Wars is better. Transparisteel!
Transparent aluminum. Bah! Might as well use plexiglass. That's Star Trek for you...