OLED Film Could Provide Cheap Night Vision For Cars 120
thecarchik writes "Night vision systems are already available in the higher-end luxury sedans from companies like Toyota, Volvo, BMW, and Mercedes-Benz. It's expensive technology that few drivers can afford, and at $4,000 for the system without a display, it's a pricey upgrade. That may all change soon, as DARPA-funded scientists have developed a cheap way to turn any infrared light into visible light with a thin film."
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And any links to more substantial coverage on this project? The article is just a blurb.
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If you KNOW deer are a problem, then drive more slowly at night during the times of year
when the deer are most mobile. I live a an area with a huge deer population, and this strategy
has saved numerous collisions. What I am talking about is driving the speed limit or slightly
below the speed limit. And BTW, a FLIR system won't help when the deer jumps
out of thick brush directly into the path of your car. Such thick brush would prevent the deer
from being seen even in daylight.
Some problems don't require tech t
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Also, on sufficiently low traffic roads, it can be safer to drive down the middle at night as the odds of a deer, horse or cow jumping in your path at the edge of the road is vastly higher than someone coming the opposite direction without headlights.
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When driving remote interstate roads in the middle of the night (like when even the truckers have stopped for the night), I always sit in the left lane. Well, unless a car comes up behind me, which is very rare at those hours. It's been to my advantage quite a few times. I've seen animals wander out onto the road, and I've had more time to react because they've been more visible.
A friend of mine wasn't so lucky on a 2 lane country road years ago. A deer jumped out and landed perfectly t
Better solution... (Score:1)
If you KNOW deer are a problem,
Reduce the deer population: buy a gun, get a hunting license and a stand freezer.
Re:Toyota (Score:4, Interesting)
based on the exceptionally short article - and a random guess ..
i wonder if this isn't done by energizing the OLED array so that when IR hits them they energies (taking from their vacuum tube comment i see this acting like the phosphorus layer on a CRT)
if that is the case.. this is nothing more than a way of receiving IR on one side of the film and illuminating on the other - so more of an IR screen instead of an object detection and alert system
if that is true this would be useful and far cheaper - but given the expectational short story.. i doubt any of us will remember it when the tech hits the market.
also would mean you could blind passing drivers with an IR transmitter.. something only drivers with this screen would see/notice..
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that is kinda the point.. if it is supposed to be a supplemental overlay on the windshield for night driving.. having it white/green out would be a serious hazard - blocking view and disrupting any sense of night vision they would have.
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Agreed, I'm sure they'll prevent wash-outs. Besides... I can could blind you with a sufficiently bright flashlight TONIGHT... and yet there doesn't seem to be a huge problem with people running around blinding drivers at night.
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I've looked at this for a variety of applications. I'm currently building out an RV myself, and wanted to have all the bells and whistles that you can't get anywhere else. I wanted three cameras facing forward. FLIR, light intensifying, and normal color/IR illuminated.
FLIR is simply way too expensive. I wanted it for the advantage of being able to see well beyond the illumination of the headlights for possible problems ahead. It's one thing to stop or swerve in your 3,300 pound
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FLIR won't be that useful... It's a nice idea limited by the practical application and usefulness of the technology. It can actually be unsafer to have, given the problems with background noise.
On the other hand, IITs (Image Intensifier Tubes) provide a much more useful view and you can get IIT's fused with LWIR (Long Wave Infra Red) if you really want and you can turn your headlights off...
Why? Because it's the headlights that actually draw the animals into the road in the first place... Because they get
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But even if it's safer, I'd love to see someone try to explain it to a LEO why they were driving at night with the headlights off...
But they can't see you from Low Earth Orbit if your headlights are off !
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Forget the cops. Try explaining it to the oncoming car that didn't see you because you were driving dark. Headlights are a safety device in more than one way.
Night Vision Systems for Seeing in Darkness (Score:5, Funny)
Night vision systems are already available in the higher-end luxury sedans from companies like Toyota, Volvo, BMW and Mercedes-Benz, but it's expensive technology that few drivers can afford, but at $4,000 for the system without a display, it's a pricey upgrade.
Sometimes I will proofread my comments, and sometimes I will read them over again just to make sure there are no mistakes.
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I don't care how cheap it is; it's still going to make vehicle maintenance expensive.
If you want a device like this, chances are you're either a) out and about on back roads and want animal detection and/or b) spend a lot of time on the highway/interstate/lonely stretches of road where hitting animals or having a HUD would be useful - like a roadtrip. These are scenarios where you're more likely to get rocks thrown at your windshield, causing a crack.
A windshield repair costs, what... $150? And a new one co
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And sometimes I try to get my facts straight, like that Toyota [google.com] and Volvo [google.com] does not offer Night Vision at all (only on concepts), and Mercedes and BMW just started offering it in 2006, but Cadillac offered Night Vision 10 years ago on the 2000 DTS [theautochannel.com]
"on the DTS, and options include a better-than-average navigation system and the "Night Vision" system, which features the first civilian use of infrared thermal-imaging technolog
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If I could get underpriced labor by making pension promises I wouldn't have to keep, I could have pretty innovative products too.
This little foray into cool night vision for a few ultra-rich came out of the hide of workers who had nowhere to go when the benefits they were promised got pissed away.
Fuck GM. Fuck GM long, fuck GM hard. (Don't forget to mod this troll.)
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It's not troll, it's flamebait.
The unions forced their absurd terms on the car companies. The failure of GM and Chrysler is more the fault of vicious unions than cowardly management. The idea that it's malicious action by management is absurd.
More to the point, expensive high-tech systems like night-vision are more cost-driven by development costs and low volume constraints than by the wages and benefits of production line workers.
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Well?
Were there any names, or was he just pissed that people rarely show up to his meetings? :)
What night-vision goggles could look like (Score:1)
What night-vision goggles could end up looking like
http://www.fixandweld.com/images/SSP11.jpg [fixandweld.com]
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What night-vision goggles could end up looking like
http://www.fixandweld.com/images/SSP11.jpg [fixandweld.com]
Why not just coat your spectacles with this thin film of OLEDs?
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Because with that, they cover your entire field of vision.
Besides, not everyone wears glasses.
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Despite what the article pretends, it fundamentally can't work that way.
In essence this film is a a CCD with a LED display the back ... like a CCD you still need a lens in front to get an image, and the image is only 2D.
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Is there a typo in TFA here?
"The result is a monochromatic green-tinted view of the area in front of it."
But the image caption under the green-tinted rendering is "Conventional night vision image, via David Kitson, Creative Commons 3.0". Plus, it looks pretty grainy/low-res compared to the newer BW rendering which is captioned "New 7-series to feature high-tech night vision system".
Regardless, if the IR image is overlaid onto the screen (HUP) display, mightn't oncoming traffic lights be blinding and actuall
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I doubt it's a typo. Neither picture uses the OLED technology. The 7 series has a high-tech night vision system, but it's not OLED. If you read on...
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As others have mentioned, the second image isn't of the new tech, which isn't scaled up enough for a prototype yet. The top image is from the 7-series, as you've already noted. The reason it's so crisp is that it uses Active Illumination Infrared. This works by having headlights that are so bright, they would be illegal if they were emitting any visible light. As it happens, they are absurdly bright, but only in the near-infrared band (NIR). Then, an infrared CCD device records the NIR levels, and con
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Actually, most car headlights throw out phenomenal amounts of near-IR energy - usually far more than is visible ( unless they are LED headlights ) - I built an IR driving system into my Starion over a decade ago as a project.
However, what is important is how sensitive the receiver/camera/tube/film etc is to the IR light and at what frequency.
Also, the green image in the picture is grainy because:
a) It was taken through an ESI Inverter tube, such as was invented around 1970... Sensitivity 270 uA/lm.
b) Most o
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If you have an OLED overlay, you also have a dynamic brightness blocker that can tint itself to dim blinding objects.
What they don't mention is how they'll introduce focus to the system. I suspect we'll see see another filter layer of millions of tiny tubes or tiny lenses.
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I suspect we'll see see another filter layer of millions of tiny tubes or tiny lenses.
So you're saying that the technology requires a nano-Internet?
Not only Night Vision (Score:3, Interesting)
If the OLED is already there, you can use it to display all kind of virtual stuff:
GPS
Ads
Traffic Info
Hookers
Create beautyfull landscapes in polluted areas
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It sounds like this is not an actual display, just a film that translates infrared light into visible light when it is supplied with power.
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Wouldn't you be blinded by the hood?
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Please, just because the buildings may be out of repair and the sidewalks covered in graffiti doesn't mean it's blinding. /badpun
It is a good question though. Is infrared generated by the heat of an engine or are you referring to the reflected light from other sources? If reflected, I would imagine it would be no worse than a sunny day.
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I was referring to engine heat.
And that was a fun pun, by the way.
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I suspect that the actual infrared sensors would be mounted in front of the vehicle and telemetric computation would be performed to put the thermal image up in a representative fashion.
Of course, it would still be almost useless during warmer months, particularly in more developed areas. The ambient temperature of a road can remain well over 100F throughout the night, and the air a similar temperature, even if it drops into the 70s. I have no doubt it's worth in the South. Any critters on the road would be
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If it's just pixles glowing in the presence of incident IR, it would be worthless. You lose the whole concept of what direction the IR came from and end up with the equivalent of major glare on a smeary windsheild.
A GPS upgrade would be really nice (Score:2)
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In order to really work well, something like that would also have to have head tracking in order to draw in the right place, and ideally the positioning system and the map itself would be extremely accurate (more accurate than they currently are). Not at all impossible, but I'm not sure it would work well enough to be worth doing quite yet.
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With the current upcoming game console wars is the technology that does just that. It's actually been around for some time and only needs a camera facing the driver that can extrapolate facial features in a very easy "low tech" way of video filtering.
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I would hope it was a transparent arrow and didn't cover the entire screen...
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Traffic Info
Hookers
Create beautyfull landscapes in polluted areas
Spell-check Slashdot postings composed while driving
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Cars produce IR, including halogen or incandescent headlights.
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How could this be used for cars, unless everyone drives around with their headlights off at night? Besides the headlights, the heat from the cars' engines would also produce a very bright result in IR, no?
OLEDs, like all display technologies, have a limited range from brightest light to darkest dark. It wont simply "amplify all light by 100X" - it can't. at some point, highlights will get clipped. It's just like lens flare on a camera. Looking at a picture of the sun won't blind you, even though the real thing will.
Oncoming headlights might wash out the screen temporarily, but real headlights can do that, too.
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How could this be used for cars, unless everyone drives around with their headlights off at night?
Depending on the time of day, weather, etc. headlights aren't as useful as they could be. And even under the best of circumstances there's a limit to just how much is illuminated by your headlights. Anything that can increase your visibility is a good thing.
Besides the headlights, the heat from the cars' engines would also produce a very bright result in IR, no?
You've got to put the camera somewhere. It would probably be possible to place the camera far enough to the front of the car that you aren't seeing the hat coming off of the hood.
Or you could maybe do some digital processing to block out that heat sou
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It would probably be possible to place the camera far enough to the front of the car that you aren't seeing the hat coming off of the hood.
But if I left my hat on the hood, I'd want to see it go flying off, so I would know where to pick it up!
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The authors of TFA (and the source article they based it on) confuse the issue by assuming that all infrared is the same thing. Based on the "green glow" look and the "830nm illumination" mentioned in another post, this system is working with near-infrared light (like conventional night vision systems), which is completely different from thermal infrared systems.
This system will not function as a thermal imager. If something is very hot (just below the point of glowing incandescently in visible light), it w
Liking it, but... (Score:1)
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Don't the regular bulbs spray a lot of light in the near IR field anyway? Are these sensors operating on a band of IR that regular headlights aren't pouring out? Yeah, I know, some idiot is going to get lights that dump on the same band the sensors use and it will nullify the usefulness of said sensor system in some situations, I get it.
Better get a mop, all that spraying and pouring and dumping sounds messy...
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I think GP was saying it could replace the high beam. The infrared imaging system can be switched off when the infrared high beam is off as well, so that when you're driving towards me with your infrared brights, I'll still only see your normal headlights so long as my infrared brights are off.
And because in suburban and rural areas, you can turn these up without bothering people inside a building, you can have them project farther, to the point where you can spot that deer headed straight for the road from
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Affordable for civilians to spot undead. (Score:1)
Glasses (Score:1)
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x-ray specs! that's what more.
Journal Article (Score:3, Informative)
Organic Infrared Upconversion Device [wiley.com], Do Young Kim, Dong Woo Song, Neetu Chopra, Pieter De Somer, Franky So. Advanced Materials 2010, 22, p.1-4. DOI 10.1002/adma.200903312 [doi.org]
The abstract is:
This is good development, to be sure... but I think TFA exaggerates by saying that the device can be so thin that it can be placed on a windshield. In order to be used for something like night-vision, you'll need some kind of lens/optics as well. This material will not maintain the directionality of light as it is converted (from IR to visible), so you can't just "look through" it and see a night-vision version of the world. But you could use a lens to focus an infrared image onto the film, and look at the visible-light emission from the film. Still, this technology should be able to help make night-vision systems smaller and cheaper.
It's also disappointing how media reports of new sci/tech developments insist on focusing on one possible application. It obscures the real potential. For instance, lighter/cheaper IR-to-vis conversion would not just be cool for night driving, but also for emergency workers, home security systems, scientific instruments (the journal article also lists "semiconductor wafer inspection"), optical computing, and so on...
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This is good development, to be sure... but I think TFA exaggerates by saying that the device can be so thin that it can be placed on a windshield.
Yeah, I don't know what's up with the car angle. I see what they did and I think "night vision goggles that are just goggles! Finally!" (as opposed to the bulky getup currently available).
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Since each "pixel" on
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There is actually a very simple way to capture/replay wavefronts for which this technology is ideally suited, integral imaging.
You simply put an exactly aligned integral lens array in front and at the back and you're done. You need very high resolution of course, but because the pixels are so simple and completely independent that's not a problem. You would probably want to use diffractive instead of refractive lenses so you can get a decent viewing angle, but again that is no problem here because you are o
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On second thought ... the image could look great ... from outside. From the inside the direction of travel of the light is mirrored around the center of the integral lens. I guess you need one more lens to flip it back.
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It's akin to a frosted piece of glass or translucent plastic. Light enters the film but directionality is not preserved because OLEDs cannot choose where the light goes, they just emit in all directions at once.
It doesn't seem like this would be much of an issue. I can think of two solutions. One solution is to separate the OLED elements so they form a halftone screen. Each OLED element would be a point source of light so the directionality of its output wouldn't matter so much. Another solution is to put a
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...a third solution is kind of the inverse of the second. If you are worried about lateral light from the OLED making everything a blur, just coat the film in material that doesn't let lateral light out, but instead directs it out of the film's edge using internal reflection.
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I overemphasized the importance of the OLED's ability to emit light in a specific direction. As you know, OLEDs emitting light in all directions are perfectly fine for TVs and such, so they are absolutely capable of creating an image. And yes, there exists technology to make that image only viewable under a small range of viewing angles. This technology is probably not advanced enough to restrict the viewing to only the driver of the
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Ah. I was thinking in terms of a HUD or an augmented reality display, not redisplaying an infrared image in visible wavelengths. I assumed there would be a scanning IR beam to light up the OLED elements.
From the article, it sounds like each OLED element includes its own IR sensor,
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The incoming light from a light source at 50 meter at different points on the window is going to vary in intensity by less than 1%.
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As far as the second paragraph, what you're talking about definitely works, but only when the lights are up close. In this case, the light right on top of an element will illuminate that el
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The light doesn't just have to be directional ... you have to do something similar to holography. The angular spectrum of the outgoing light has to be the same as the incoming light at a given point on the window (although it can be quantized a bit, like with integral imaging).
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What's an "angular spectrum?"
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angular_spectrum_method [wikipedia.org]
It's a way to describe a propagating wavefront, probably not a good choice of words.
What I meant to say was that for any given point on the window the intensity of light coming from any given direction has to be output at the same intensity and in the same direction on the other side. For all positions and directions at the same time ... you can quantize the spatial and angular resolutions a bit, but simply using a directional LED doesn't cut it.
As I said
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I don't see what's the point really ... the optics are the bulkiest parts. Instead of focusing an image on a tiny CCD it would have to cover the entire display. A normal camera plus LCD display or HUD projection on the windscreen make a lot more sense.
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For instance, lighter/cheaper IR-to-vis conversion would not just be cool for night driving, but also for emergency workers, home security systems, scientific instruments (the journal article also lists "semiconductor wafer inspection"), optical computing, and so on...
Essentially any digital camera sensor (including webcams) can pick up the type of infrared light that this device does (~1000nm). I'm a little confused about how it could get any cheaper. If this device could also pick up mid- and far-infrared
sunglasses (Score:1, Funny)
Screw night vision windscreens. I want some night vision sunglasses!
No, this won't work (Score:2)
If they are OLEDs, they emit light relatively isotropically. So infrared light hitting the film would be turned into visible light, but it would be completely diffused -- like if you had a piece of translucent plastic. The only way it could work if the light was transformed in frequency but kept the same direction.
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what about cheap boobies ? (Score:2)
Kind of like these (Score:2)
People who work with non-visible IR or UV lasers can use special tools that fluoresce visibly when contacted by a laser of the appropriate wavelength.
There are specially coated cardboard cards, as well as small disks that can be placed in lens holders on an optical breadboard.
http://thorlabs.com/NewGroupPage9.cfm?ObjectGroup_ID=296 [thorlabs.com]
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Cheap or inexpensive? (Score:2)
There is a difference.