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Exciting Kinect Stuff Already Coming Out

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  • this is cool and what's going to happen is M$ is going to take the code and use it to add new features to Kinect in future releases. just like apple does with iphone jailbreak code and JB'd features

    • Like WGA?
    • by Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) on Monday November 15, 2010 @10:30AM (#34230468)

      what's going to happen is M$ is going to take the code and use it to add new features to Kinect in future releases

      No they won't. Microsoft is notoriously unable to reuse free (as in libre) software that can't be repackaged into a binary that they can sell for $$$ without releasing the source code for. It's just impossible for them because of their very nature as a closed-source software vendor. Any GPL code out there will not be touched by Microsoft with a 10 foot pole.

      Also, if Microsoft wants to create high-tech apps for the Kinect, they have all the available R&D resources to do it on their own. There are a lot of very very smart people working for Microsoft, and if a bunch of unpaid hackers can turn the Kinect into something useful in a matter of hours, so can the Microsoft PhDs and code monkeys.

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by alen (225700)

        only if you use the same code

        once iOS 4.2 comes out it's going to have brightness control outside the settings app, similar to SBS Settings. Doubt apple will release the code since they made a lot of changes. all you have to do is take the code, change enough of it to make it look like your own and release it

        • by Goaway (82658) on Monday November 15, 2010 @10:41AM (#34230564) Homepage

          Or, you know, just write it yourself. You think a brightness control is so hard to write that you absolutely have to steal it?

          • by Lumpy (12016)

            Well many "programmers" and companies have patented far simpler things because they are so unskilled they though it was hard.

            • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

              by Razalhague (1497249)
              Companies don't patent things because they're hard, they patent things so that they can control their use.
              • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

                by dmmiller2k (414630)

                Companies don't patent things because they're hard, they patent things so that they can control their use.

                Which boils down to "they patent things so that they can generate revenue from them". Follow the money.

          • by hedwards (940851)
            Generally, Apple reimplements other people's work. It's not a matter of ability, it's a matter of creativity. Very little of what Apple does is legitimately innovative. It's usually taking the next step after somebody else has done the hard work of creating a market.
            • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

              by Belial6 (794905)
              I don't know... I think that using a green plus symbol to indicate a screen will be shrinking, and a garbage can to indicate that you want to take that prescious data out of your computer to keep it safe is pretty darn "creative".
      • by houghi (78078)

        and if a bunch of unpaid hackers can turn the Kinect into something useful in a matter of hours, so can the Microsoft PhDs and code monkeys.

        It's not if the code monkeys can turn it into anything usefull, it is if the Marketing department can.

      • by vegiVamp (518171)

        The hackers aren't encumbered by a bloated management structure.

      • by Chyeld (713439)

        Microsoft can, and has, incorporate open sourced code into their products, and sometimes they've even done it legally.

        A good portion of the original TCP/IP stack, and it's attendant utilities were based on BSD licensed code simply ported over. And while they later replaced the stack with their own code, the utilities for a long time were (and probably still are) essentially open source ports.

      • lol, as if Microsoft is going to give a shit about the license on the code.
      • by 3vi1 (544505)

        >> Microsoft is notoriously unable to reuse free (as in libre) software that can't be repackaged into a binary that they can sell for $$$ without releasing the source code for.

        Yeah, that'll *never* happen: http://port25.technet.com/archive/2009/11/13/update-on-the-windows-7-download-tool-or-microsoft-to-open-source-the-windows-7-download-tool.aspx [technet.com]

    • this is cool and what's going to happen is M$ is going to take the code and use it to add new features to Kinect in future releases. just like apple does with iphone jailbreak code and JB'd features

      What makes you think that MS is going to do this in this case? Apple might add in these features to prevent people from jailbreaking phones; it won't stop people from using the Kinect on other platforms even if MS added in features. Also Apple makes a decent profit on every iPhone sold. MS might make a small profit on every Kinect but their larger strategy was dependent on the licensing revenue that exclusive Xbox games would provide.

      • by alen (225700)

        apple's iOS is usually jailbroken before release, Apple doesn't care. they take the ideas and code that jailbreakers come up with and add them to their products. like the upcoming iOS 4.2 and changing the brightness without going to settings. it's a rip off from SBS Settings on jailbroken iphones

  • by lemur3 (997863) on Monday November 15, 2010 @10:26AM (#34230440)

    The amusing and quite cleverly done telescreen kinect as an advertising tool jokes I read here on slashdot were quite fun to see!

    But.....I was very bemused to see this today, reported elsewhere:

    "Microsoft's Dennis Durkin voiced an interesting idea at an investment summit last week -- the idea that the company's Kinect camera might pass data to advertisers about the way you look, play and speak. "We can cater what content gets presented to you based on who you are," he told investors, suggesting that the Kinect offered business opportunities that weren't possible "in a controller-based world."

      And over time that will help us be more targeted about what content choices we present, what advertising we present, how we get better feedback. And data about how many people are in a room when an advertisement is shown, how many people are in a room when a game is being played, how are those people engaged with the game? How are they engaged with a sporting event? Are they standing up? Are they excited? Are they wearing Seahawks jerseys?

    http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/15/microsoft-exec-caught-in-privacy-snafu-says-kinect-might-tailor/ [engadget.com]

    yay?

    • by Chrisq (894406) on Monday November 15, 2010 @10:31AM (#34230478)
      I know how we can make this announcement look bad

      "Microsoft's Dennis Durkin voiced an interesting idea at an investment summit last week -- the idea that the company's Kinect camera might pass data to advertisers about the way you look, play and speak. "We can cater what content gets presented to you based on who you are," he told investors,

      Microsoft adds support for racial profiling!

    • by netsharc (195805)

      Why just data about the people.. it's got cameras, it can look at the whole room. What sort of cereal do they like? What paintings/posters of celebs/movies are on the walls, what magazine is on the coffee table, what brand is the condom wrapper the guy just pulled out as he's about to get it on with the girl on that sofa? And a few minutes after the condom was spotted the device might well conclude, he could use some "performance"-"enhancing" drugs!

    • by sherriw (794536)

      Am I the only one who thinks this is BAD? It better be opt in... because I really don't want an MS eyeball in my living room sending data back to whoever. Kinect data better stay in my local machine unless I give them permission...

    • by DrXym (126579)
      "We can cater what content gets presented to you based on who you are," he told investors, suggesting that the Kinect offered business opportunities that weren't possible "in a controller-based world."

      Microsoft would be skinned alive if they did that. It's disconcerting enough when a Kinect / PSEye game takes a picture of you. Now imagine it sends that picture off to a remote server for analysis with or without the person's consent. For all MS know, people are standing there naked, or having sex, or their

    • Well they are free to direct advertise zit cream, condoms Billabong clothing to my teenage son. He needs some style
    • by Chyeld (713439)

      I guess that means I should turn it off when we start Orgy Fridays back up.

  • I am sure it will be coming out, but the coolest thing to do would be to make immersible sports games where your body controls the motions of the player and you get a workout in return.

    Baseball would probably be the easiest to start with.
  • by ledow (319597)

    So we have depth data, and webcam imagery of the same place. Where to go now? That's the problem - the field of image processing isn't actually that well developed that we can do things really useful with it. Sure, the hand-waving paint demonstration is cool but you could do that with a webcam ten years ago if you had the right algorithms. The Kinect only adds the depth-map through some (admittedly clever) physics but that just adds a third dimension that needs to be analysed, filtered, recognised and i

    • by samjam (256347)

      I wanna see a bench of 4 drivers playing supertuxkart with cardboard cut-out steering wheels.

    • by martas (1439879)

      we can't push image processing hundreds of years into the future

      exaggerate much? really, you think it'll take hundreds of years to solve the vision problem?

      • by ledow (319597)

        47 times a day.

        And I think computer vision is something too simplistic at the moment - it's image filters, edge detection and tweaking of tolerances. Useful for counting sperm to the nearest half-million, but not something that'll approach human-levels of interpretation of the image until, well, the computer is convincingly human. If the Turing Test were to comprise of questions about "what's in this image", it'll be solved in the same time that the plain-line-of-text Turing Test will fool most people int

      • by vlm (69642)

        we can't push image processing hundreds of years into the future

        exaggerate much? really, you think it'll take hundreds of years to solve the vision problem?

        We will always be able to move the endpoints.

        Can your new camera interpret a scene like an artist or a professional photographer so as to give correct advise? Not just bring the camera lens into focus but now provide framing, make up, clothing, and posing advise?

        Oh you did that in 2030, well, I've decided its freaking useless unless you can select a specific artist or pro photographer, perhaps Salvador Dali or Ansel Adams.

        Oh, you did that in 2040, well, I've decided its freaking useless unless it has virtu

        • If you can do that in 2030 I'll be impressed.
        • by tepples (727027)

          I've decided its freaking useless unless you can select a specific artist or pro photographer, perhaps Salvador Dali or Ansel Adams.

          Software to turn a photograph into the style of a specific artist already exists. See: GIMPressionist. I also seem to remember a web site to which one can upload a face shot and it'll turn a white man black, turn a young girl older, turn a photo into manga style, etc., but Google is failing me as to its name.

  • No. (Score:4, Insightful)

    by AcidPenguin9873 (911493) on Monday November 15, 2010 @10:58AM (#34230694)

    Um, how about the fact that Microsoft came out with the Kinect in the first place? Isn't that pretty innovative? We wouldn't have a headline that reads "Exciting Kinect Stuff Already Coming Out" if not for a previous headline that read "Microsoft Releases Exciting New Input Device That They Spent R&D Money On For The Last Couple Years".

    Sorry, but just because MS didn't fully develop and support everything someone in a dorm room can think of at the launch of their brand new hardware product doesn't mean they lack vision or innovation or whatever. Anything they release has to be supported in SDKs, APIs, be tested, etc., and that costs money and time. It's great that people are hacking it and coming up with new things to do with it, and I don't know why they tried to lock it down, but it's not locked down anymore, so who gives a crap?

  • Targeted Ads (Score:5, Interesting)

    by kenp2002 (545495) on Monday November 15, 2010 @11:04AM (#34230776) Homepage Journal

    For many who loath the idea of targeted ads I would assume many, if not most of those people are single. As a married old fart I can attest that A little intelligent ad targeting is nice. I for one get tired of feminine product advertisements because the wife uses my computer occasionally for shopping. Please, feel free to use the Kinect to determine if I am in fact: Male, Fat or Skinny, cheerful or pissed off. Because:

    A: If I am male, I don't need tampon ads
    B: If I am fat, don't advertise Big Macs, advertise weight loss because last I checked, fatties know where BK and McDs are. And no it's not your genetics, it's because you are irresponsible with your health. A predisposition just means you have to work harder. Thermodynamics proves this; your lack of responsibility, low self esteem, and discipline does not change the laws of physics.
    C: If I am in a good mood try selling me a Beach Boy's collection. If I am pissed off Rammstien might be a better choice.

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by vlm (69642)

      You're crosswatching too much. Crosswatching is not some psuedo-christian thing, its the TV watching equivalent of cross dressing.

      They already target advertising extremely aggressively. We have DVRs so I only see flashes of commercials, but it seems my wifes soap operas don't advertise many video games and I don't see many feminine products advertised on the embarrassingly named syfy channel.

      There are entire genres of TV shows I don't see ads for, don't know that exist (at least from my TV viewing), such

    • by Splab (574204)

      Wouw, you should spent some time reading up on subjects, and perhaps think about your posts before putting your head so far up your arse.

      If B applies then why does A apply? In A you say cater to those who needs it, in B you say don't? Also, have that tiny little brain of yours ever wondered why the ladies in tampon commercials are so pretty? Those commercials aren't targeted at your wife, they are for the men, we have no idea what to buy, so when the shoppinglists says tampon, your brain will serve up prett

  • I wonder (Score:4, Interesting)

    by PinkyGigglebrain (730753) on Monday November 15, 2010 @11:47AM (#34231206)
    How long it will be till TVs come with Kinects built in, and can't be turned off. It would be an advertiser's wetdream, and then the DHS could use it to monitor those who might be a "threat to national Security" (everyone).

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    • Re:I wonder (Score:4, Insightful)

      by vlm (69642) on Monday November 15, 2010 @12:07PM (#34231426)

      Thats too much of an upgrade to keep calling it a Television. How about... a "telescreen" ? There is some prior art, err, literature...

    • Re:I wonder (Score:5, Insightful)

      by BobMcD (601576) on Monday November 15, 2010 @12:26PM (#34231612)

      How long it will be till TVs come with Kinects built in, and can't be turned off.

      I dunno, how long until they outlaw electrical tape?

      • by shadowmas (697397)

        Better yet point the thing at a picture of goatse ;)

    • by Brobock (226116)

      How long it will be till TVs come with Kinects built in, and can't be turned off. It would be an advertiser's wetdream, and then the DHS could use it to monitor those who might be a "threat to national Security" (everyone).

      One word: Tape.

  • The flood of innovative stuff that's coming out could serve as prior art to upcoming patents surrounding this technology... Perhaps this will lower royalties and increase freedoms if we can figure out all the cool stuff first before it becomes patented.
  • I can't be the only one who sees that this device could bring us Minority Report like interface interaction?

    • The early "concept videos" for Kinect (then still Natal) demonstrated precisely that idea. But it needs to become more precise to be actually usable for that.

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