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Testing Old Tapes To Save Them 62

JMarshall writes: Recordings on old audio tapes won't be worth much in another 20 years, and some are already too degraded to play. A team including members from the Library of Congress report that infrared spectroscopy can noninvasively separate magnetic tapes that can still be played from those that can't, without risking the tapes by sticking them in a player. Unplayable tapes can sometimes be rescued by heating, which can make them playable for long enough to digitize. This method could help archivists identify which tapes need special handling before they get any worse.
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Testing Old Tapes To Save Them

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  • by TechyImmigrant ( 175943 ) on Tuesday September 08, 2015 @04:54PM (#50482061) Homepage Journal

    We can read back the hippie mix tape Richard Nixon prepared for Howard Hunt.

  • What digital medium is presumed to be readable 20 years hence?

    • Digital tape!

    • Re:To What Medium (Score:5, Interesting)

      by ledow ( 319597 ) on Tuesday September 08, 2015 @05:19PM (#50482295) Homepage

      Memory chips.

      The ROM's on early-80's consoles are still, on the whole, perfectly readable (as evidenced by MAME), and they don't even TRY to use error correcting codes to ensure resiliency.

      I have CompactFlash of some vintage and it's all still perfectly readable. Even hard drives are quite readable if stored properly and not live for a long time.

      I imagine if you really wanted to make something last 20 years and still be readable, a basic EEPROM with I2C-like serial interface will be readable, and you could probably describe a circuit/timing to read from it on the casing of the chip itself with one diagram.

      • by tlhIngan ( 30335 )

        Memory chips.

        The ROM's on early-80's consoles are still, on the whole, perfectly readable (as evidenced by MAME), and they don't even TRY to use error correcting codes to ensure resiliency.

        I have CompactFlash of some vintage and it's all still perfectly readable. Even hard drives are quite readable if stored properly and not live for a long time.

        I imagine if you really wanted to make something last 20 years and still be readable, a basic EEPROM with I2C-like serial interface will be readable, and you could

      • Re:To What Medium (Score:5, Informative)

        by _merlin ( 160982 ) on Tuesday September 08, 2015 @09:58PM (#50483877) Homepage Journal

        The ROM's on early-80's consoles are still, on the whole, perfectly readable (as evidenced by MAME), and they don't even TRY to use error correcting codes to ensure resiliency.

        As a MAME developer, I have the sad duty to inform you that this, sadly, is not the case. ROMs for early video games are gradually succumbing to bitrot. EPROMs used in arcade games eventually leak their trapped charges, and mask layers oxidise in mask ROMs. Flash ROMs from newer arcade games can degrade in as little as 15 years. If you're lucky you can get a good read by heating the chip up or cooling it down. But in many cases the data is permanently lost.

        • This is disconcerting. I have a very large collection (1500+) of games for all manner of consoles. Do you have any suggestions for how I might maintain them for as long as possible?
          • by _merlin ( 160982 )

            I think the best bet is spinning disks with some filesystem that stores data redundantly and does block-level checksums (e.g. ZFS). Then you need to routinely buy new disks to replace the disks, copy your data across, and verify the new copy. Not just when they fail, on a regular schedule every five years or so.

            • So your saying rip them to start with. That sounds ideal, but there is no way I can afford to do it. Apart from anything else, I'd need 20 different cartridge readers. thanks anyway.
              • by Anonymous Coward

                Then just download the ROMs for your games and if anyone ever asks, just say you ripped them yourself.

          • by Agripa ( 139780 )

            For test equipment the solution is to either copy the ROM into a pin compatible EPROM or convert the pinout to 2764 and use a modern EPROM.

      • Your confidence is proof of your inexperience. Data... dies. Sorry, that's just the truth.

        If you've ever tried to do a data recovery on years-old data, whether it's audio tape, film, HDD, flash, CD/DVD rips, whatever. They all have an error rate that increases over time.

        The only way to preserve data long term is to actively manage it. Keep redundant copies. Use error correcting code to identify data errors and correct them. Media must be periodically re-read and written to ensure "freshness". Non-digital da

      • by Agripa ( 139780 )

        The ROM's on early-80's consoles are still, on the whole, perfectly readable (as evidenced by MAME), and they don't even TRY to use error correcting codes to ensure resiliency.

        Not if they are Mostek mask ROMs with the 2763 pinout. In test equipment and arcade machine those all seem to be failing. Anti-fuse programmable logic from that era is also failing. The fuses seem to be "regrowing".

    • What digital medium is presumed to be readable 20 years hence?

      The cloud of course. It is the end-all-be-all. Haven't you heard?

    • It doesn't need to. Once you have the data in digital form you can keep migrating it to whatever the best storage device of the day is without incurring any further quality loss.

      • 100% agree. Regular backup and migration is the way to go, preferably with the data in multiple places. This is daunting for large-scale applications, but if the data is that important, it's worth doing right.

    • Print it using MIME on paper, OCR and convert back to digital at your convenience. With the right storage conditions, paper and toner it should be readable in 100 years. Extra luddite points for using a daisy-wheel printer.
    • by marciot ( 598356 )

      What digital medium is presumed to be readable 20 years hence?

      Etch QR codes on stone tablets.

    • What digital medium is presumed to be readable 20 years hence?

      Paper tape

  • If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire the A-Team.

    They are wanted in the UK.

    There rap sheet is a long list of 10 year sentence for copyright for each song / piece of work.

  • Save Our Sextapes
  • Nothing like nostalgia of tape media to make one feel old.

    • by hawkfish ( 8978 )

      Nothing like nostalgia of tape media to make one feel old.

      Except maybe vinyl!

  • Minimally Invasive. (Score:2, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward
    The abstract actually says "Minimally Invasive," not Non-Invasive (the goal) Aparently the technique analyses small sections of tape to see if the physical media has degraded. Not sure how that tells us *anything* about the magnetic state of the media.
    • The magnetic state is not likely to be a significant issue,provided the tape is not exposed to excessive heat or strong magnetic fields (like from lightning currents in a nearby structural element or having the storage box sitting on the floor next to an industrial-scale waxer's drive motor).

      While really small domains can be "squeezed out" by their neighbors (perhaps eventually attenuating really high frequency material and/or resulting in a bit of cross-talk between layers in the tape as wound for storage)

  • One cannot discuss tape degradation with mentioning The Disintegration Loops [wikipedia.org] by William Basinski.
  • by grep -v '.*' * ( 780312 ) on Tuesday September 08, 2015 @06:53PM (#50482891)

    Recordings on old audio tapes won't be worth much in another 20 years, and some are already too degraded to play.

    Looks like the RIAA was right all along -- THAT's why you should rebuy all of your music, because soon your original license to listen will have vanished.

    "The palest ink is better than the best memory" -- but not when the ink seperates from the paper!


    Wait -- does that mean my 8-track RAID array is in danger!?!

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Buy vinyl it lasts the longest. Recall that 78s from over 100 years ago are often playable. 50-60 year old 33s still play well and 33 rpm players are still made. In particular if you keep the vinyl in a cool place.

      • You can listen to sound recovered from old 78 r.p.m. shellac discs at the Library of Congress National Jukebox [loc.gov]... but you cannot download them! Recordings made well over 100 years ago are still under copyright according to the LoC:

        Rights & Access This recording is protected by state copyright laws in the United States. The Library of Congress has obtained a license from rights holders to offer it as streamed audio only. Downloading is not permitted. The authorization of rights holders of the recording is required in order to obtain a copy of the recording. Contact jukebox@loc.gov for more information.

        Of course the question who these "rights holders" are, and if anything was given in return for this "license", is unknown.

      • Buy vinyl it lasts the longest. Recall that 78s from over 100 years ago are often playable.

        And there are new turntables that play vinyl (and other disk) recordings without touching the groves, using laser light rather than a needle.

  • I can't tell you how many times my backup tapes come back from cold storage unreadable....
  • Couldn't they read the tapes using a frikkin' laser and the Faraday Effect [wikipedia.org]?

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