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Reporter Posed as Cambridge Analytica To Run Political Ads on Facebook. Facebook, To No One's Surprise, Failed To Catch That They Were Frauds. (businessinsider.com) 81

From a report: Facebook's new political ad transparency tools allowed Business Insider to run adverts as being "paid for" by Cambridge Analytica, the political consultancy that dragged Facebook into a major data scandal this year. The investigation demonstrates that political advertising on Facebook is still open to manipulation by bad actors, even with greater efforts at transparency. This is despite commitments from chief executive Mark Zuckerberg to solve the company's misinformation problem. Vice first reported last week that the Facebook political ads tool could be manipulated, with the publication securing approval to buy fake Facebook ads on behalf of US Vice President Mike Pence, terrorist group ISIS, and 100 US senators. Business Insider carried out a similar test, setting up false political ads that were captioned as being "paid for by Cambridge Analytica," the defunct political advertising firm which harvested Facebook data and weaponized it during the 2016 US election. Cambridge Analytica is banned from Facebook and has gone into administration.
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  • Oddly this finally an on topic comment

  • by 110010001000 ( 697113 ) on Wednesday October 31, 2018 @09:10AM (#57567955) Homepage Journal
    Big tech companies do not have humans monitoring anything. That would cost too much money, and they want to make everything as frictionless as possible. I'm pretty sure the "solution" they came up with was that the ads needed to be displayed with a "paid for" name on the ad. The name itself can be anything.
  • by mysidia ( 191772 ) on Wednesday October 31, 2018 @09:15AM (#57567985)

    Facebook is not law enforcement.

    This is no different from most businesses... If you place a pickup order under your neighbor's name, then go to the restraurant to pick up your order and tell them it's your neighbor's name and pay for cash; there's nothing gonna detect that you used a fake name.

    If you get caught doing this, then they may cancel your order or close your account, but that's about it.

    • by rickb928 ( 945187 ) on Wednesday October 31, 2018 @09:27AM (#57568067) Homepage Journal

      "...Facebook's new political ad transparency tools..."

      It would seem that Facebook developed these 'transparency tools' for a purpose. If that was to ensure greater transparency, well, they are in the business of enforcing something, just not law. If not, well, was this an exercise in avoiding criticism and responsibility?

      If indeed this is an example of the impossibility of guaranteeing the identity of these advertisers, well, stop pretending and drop the pretense of having 'new political ad transparency tools'. they either have none, they are ineffective, or they are playing us. Or some combination thereof.

      • by mysidia ( 191772 )

        If that was to ensure greater transparency, well, they are in the business of enforcing something, just not law.

        This is not enforcement, but Transparency. Sharing the information Facebook received

        The burden for actually enforcing could be very high, since Facebook could not say for sure a person
        signing up for an Ad is not an agent or 3rd party company working for the named person, politician,
        or entity. Also, there is the matter of free speech, and persons have every legal right to conduct busin

      • It would seem that Facebook developed these 'transparency tools' for a purpose. If that was to ensure greater transparency, well, they are in the business of enforcing something, just not law. If not, well, was this an exercise in avoiding criticism and responsibility?

        The purpose was to avoid further government scrutiny. The situation kind of reminds me of this old Simpsons bit [youtube.com].

    • Facebook is not law enforcement.

      This is no different from most businesses... If you place a pickup order under your neighbor's name, then go to the restraurant to pick up your order and tell them it's your neighbor's name and pay for cash; there's nothing gonna detect that you used a fake name.

      Maybe so, but what if the business is in the business of relationships?

      Facebook's entire plan is to make money off of peoples' presentation, providing a platform for self-promotion and interconnection. Doesn't it become encumbent on Facebook to validate peoples' identities? Do you want to find out that your "Aunt May" that you've been sharing baby photos with is actually some middle-aged guy you don't even know?

      If you agree with the above, then I believe it follows that advertisers should be held to the

      • by mysidia ( 191772 )

        Do you want to find out that your "Aunt May" that you've been sharing baby photos with is actually some middle-aged guy you don't even know?

        This is in theory very possible to happen. Facebook is on the internet, remember.... and they have no way of challenging your "Aunt May" to prove that she's really your real Aunt May --- besides that, multiple people have similar names.
        What Facebook DOES provide to enforce their real names policy is when you find the Aunt May is fake, you can use a Report link to

        • Users figure out the account is fake (usually after some attempted scam) and report, Or Facebook's bot catches some outlandish names and automatically bans them.

          Well, sure. The question is, should this be the limits of Facebook's responsibility? If their business is representing people, should they be held to a higher standard?

          • by mysidia ( 191772 )

            If their business is representing people, should they be held to a higher standard?

            What do you mean "held to a higher standard"? The only standard you are entitled to hold a provider to is what's in the contract.
            Or in Facebook's case the "user agreement" --- which, when you signed up for Facebook; you acknowledge and agree that --
            Facebook themselves represents nothing about the accuracy of content or profiles you may find on their platform; If you
            rely on that information and it turns out to be inco

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      Bad example. If you are a billboard owner and you allow people to run illegal campaign ads under the name "Vladamir Putin" then you will very likely end up in court answering questions as to why you didn't question it.

      Considering they signed up as Cambridge Analytica, Facebook's arch nemesis that recently cost them until millions of dollars and forced them to run an international advertising campaign trying to recover people's trust, at the very least it looks pretty bad for them.

      • by mysidia ( 191772 )

        Considering they signed up as Cambridge Analytica.... at the very least it looks pretty bad for them.

        Naw... It's surely kind of funny, but it's not illegal on FB's part. Again, Facebook has automated systems, where users sign up for their own accounts, and there's no requirement for Facebook to have systems that flag or require manual review or block or blacklist a new account based on name, even being the same or similar name as a company Facebook banned.
        Anything that slows down advertiser signup wo

    • Ads for political purpose are a different animal, as there are a series of laws that must be followed. If FB aides others in the violation of law in exchange for money, well, there are laws for that.
      • by mysidia ( 191772 )

        Ads for political purpose are a different animal, as there are a series of laws that must be followed.

        Bullshit. The only political ads that are allowed to be limited by the government are those ads actually commissioned by a political candidate Or donations directly to a political candidate, and compliance with the campaign financing rules are the responsibility of that politician's campaign.

        From anyone else, Political advertising is protected speech: Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission [britannica.com]

        And und

  • by sacrilicious ( 316896 ) <qbgfynfu.opt@recursor.net> on Wednesday October 31, 2018 @09:15AM (#57567989) Homepage

    Reporter Posed as Cambridge Analytica To Run Political Ads on Facebook. Facebook, To No One's Surprise, Failed To Catch That They Were Frauds.

    This on the heels of previous slashdot article Reporters Posed as 100 Senators To Run Ads on Facebook. Facebook Approved All of Them [slashdot.org]. Tiny bit of irony there.

  • With all the focus on using social media s a political tool and the social media companies' efforts to increase transparency, I understand why the media is interested in seeing how successful those efforts are at achieving their stated goals. however, I think using the name of a real company, even one in receivership, to test the effectiveness is wrong. It asserts an opinion that may or not be the current one of the organization and is, IMHO, fraud. News organizations would be up in arms, and rightly so, i
  • by fortythirteen ( 5606969 ) on Wednesday October 31, 2018 @09:30AM (#57568089)
    It's more concerning how many people have their worldview shaped by Facebook ads and posts than by how those ads can be gamed.
    • Not just FB, but also Twitter and Instagram.

      I call those people InstaTwitFaces.
    • That's begging the question a bit. I don't think I've seen more than a handful of online ads that have shaped my decisions in any way, and none of them were political. I don't believe that most of the other posters here would say anything differently and if they did, would probably lean more towards no online ads influencing them.

      I think that companies have realized that ads aren't worth nearly as much as they once thought they were, or that there are far superior alternatives. If you look at what compan
    • by Anonymous Coward

      If advertising didn't work it wouldn't be one of the world's largest industries. That people don't think it works on them isn't a problem; in fact it works better when you don't think it's influencing you at all...

    • Everything you see, hear, touch, or interact with shapes your world view. Not always in ways that are obvious, but none the less: always.
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    • Re:Don't care (Score:4, Insightful)

      by drinkypoo ( 153816 ) <drink@hyperlogos.org> on Wednesday October 31, 2018 @09:45AM (#57568169) Homepage Journal

      At least in the case of political ads, I don't care if the advertiser lies about their true identity unless the validity of the message itself depends on it (most often, it doesn't).

      The attribution is part of the message. If the identity is misreported, then that's fraud.

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        • The attribution has to be a prominent part of the content for that to matter,

          That is the case for every single political ad. Arguably, for all content ever produced, but that's another discussion.

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            • How can this be true? Consider any political statement you find true and imagine an ad that contains just this statement and nothing more.

              Because intent is always relevant. The Russians spent money to show ads specifically to people who would not be receptive to them in order to get them riled up, because their purpose was not to influence political thought directly, but simply to sow discord because they believed that would have a specific effect.

              We place additional controls on political advertising because of the relevance of their impact. I'd argue that all advertising should be more controlled than it is in the USA, where it is permitted

  • The whole story assumes that Facebook actually bothered with anything more than being certain the payment processed.

    As far as I can tell they don't give a crap about the message of people who are paying them. The only time they do seem to care is when people are making money using their service and they can take it off the table.

  • well, there's that.

  • I don't know if it is because I do not share political posts. Or that I do not follow any politician. But, I do not nor did I before get bombarded with political ad's.
    And I am a conservative. Guess I must be smarter then the pussy liberals that seem to rant and rave about all of these ad's that I never see.
  • by thomn8r ( 635504 ) on Wednesday October 31, 2018 @10:22AM (#57568381)
    That's all the validation they need
  • I don't. You are a 'dumbfuck' (I am quoting the Zuck) for even using it in the first place. It will not get any better.
  • ... is now known as Emerdata. But they may very well have sold the rights to the name 'Cambridge Analytica' to another party. Who then attempted to buy advertising for their new business on Facebook. What's wrong with that?

    On the other hand, Business Insider's use of that name may very well constitute fraud as well as a trademark violation. What's up with that?

  • An information source is either curated, or it's not.

    Most newspapers and weekly magazines are curated, though some better than others. Social media falls squarely in the "not" category. Yes, there attempts to find a middle ground (wikipedia), and Facebook and the like are trying very hard to find this middle ground, and failing hard.

    When I buy a copy of a newspaper, I'm the customer and I expect the info to be curated. It's what I demand, it's what I pay for. A failure of curation means that I fin

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