10.4 on Display at FOSE 326
CmdrStone writes "Just thought I'd post to let people know that while at FOSE today in the Washington, D.C. Convention center I lingered at the Apple pavilion / booth. To my surprise every machine had 10.4 running. The build number matches the build number found on the rumor sites; 8A428. Does this presage Tiger hitting the shelves soon? Personally, my main interest was how much iSync was expanded to support more devices, phones, etc. The Apple rep confirmed that the number of devices has expanded. He lamented that his Symbian phone, the Nokia 9500 Communicator, still was not included in the supported phones. He did tell me that he was able to tether his Powerbook and get online via his 9500's T-Mobile connection."
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So, basically, as soon as you install a pirated pre-release version of Tiger, it notifies the mothership "here I am", and if you're not supposed to have it yet, you can expect the authorities to come knocking on your door?
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Describing new/changed features, providing screenshots, etc... would definitely violate it (so long as he went beyond what's already publically available - Safari RSS is no secret
This is of course assuming he's an ADC member (I am...). If he's acqui
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Consider, for example, Product Activation, which Microsoft added in Windows XP. Now, not only do you have to pay Microsoft for the privilege of using their operating system, but you must also ask Microsoft permission each time you do so.
There are innumerable accounts of people who've had problems with Product Activation, but let's assume activation is flawless and that no legally-licensed Windows user will ever be flagged for activation. This February, Microsoft changed the rules, and all of a sudden, owners of an OEM edition of Windows (almost everybody) now have to call Microsoft EVERY TIME they reinstall their hard drive, and answer questions to prove they own (excuse me, _license_) the software they're trying to install. This "service" is a feature of Microsoft's Genuine Advantage program, but I don't see any advantage in being treated like a criminal.
Windows Media Player is also the subject of "enhancements" by Microsoft, and in June, 2002, Microsoft decided to add a new condition to Media Player's EULA with the patch for security bulletin MS02-032. Now, instead of consenting to updates to their computer, Microsoft gets to decide that Media Player updates "will be automatically downloaded onto your computer, [and] these security related updates may disable your ability to copy and/or play Secure Content and use other software on your computer."
Now, Longhorn will soon be released (eventually), and users will find that their computer is the subject of even more restrictions. Palladium was canceled for both PR and time constraint reasons (thank goodness), but make no mistake - Longhorn will have more "features" designed to take even more control from computer owners and put it in Microsoft's hands.
So, now what? Well, you'll no doubt tell me that we have the freedom to switch to Linux, but how free is it? Neither Dell nor the other PC manufacturers will sell me a computer with an empty hard drive at the same price as the bundled version, let alone cheaper. I should not have to pay for an unused copy of Windows (which Microsoft will not refund the cost of, in violation of THEIR OWN EULA), and I should not have to purchase my computer from a fly-by-night retailer who might not be around next year to honor my warranty.
Yes, Apple has their own problems with intellectual property ethics. For example, I have not and will not purchase music from the iTunes Music Store unless they remove DRM from the "bargain". However, at the moment, Apple is still mostly treating their customers right. Until iWork, for example, their was no such thing as typing in a serial number in an Apple product. I am concerned that Macromedia and Adobe are starting to implement activation on the Mac versions of their software, but there are FOSS alternatives that I can use.
I'm not an Apple troll - I've been using DOS and Windows for 15 years, and I used to ridicule Apple until OS X was released. I have no loyalties to any company - I will happily give my money to the companies that treat me as a valued, important customer, rather than a criminal.
Change is in the air. It started about the time Microsoft began demonizing the people who lined their pockets.
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1. there would be no itunes music store without drm because the record labels would never have agreed to it. so i guess either way you wouldn't be using it.
2. final cut pro has had some serious copy protection since its 1.0 release, long before iwork. quicktime pro and osx server also require a key.
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Um. (Score:5, Funny)
Oh, I guess maybe you mean users of all non-Apple OSs. Yeah, I suppose they do have a pretty damn good reason to be grumpy.
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Torrent, anybody? (Score:4, Funny)
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but you really should pre-order at amazon for $95 after rebate instead. that's $35 off. i'd prefer to wait for the final pressed cd
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Torrent Roar! (Score:2, Funny)
Ultimately they'll probably go for Leopard or Cheetah, the former offers Jaguar's pimp visual stylings to the (quartz) extreme while the latter would
Lame reply to own post (Score:2)
I need a drink.
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Apple will probably stick with the big cat names but if they start to get repetitive they'll probably move on to another carnivorous predator name as long as Microsoft continues with the delicious herbivore name for their next OS. What might be some ideas?
Wolverine is a Linux distro (Score:3, Informative)
http://www.coyotelinux.com/products.php?Product=w o lverine [coyotelinux.com]
Apple would not be able to use Wolverine for any software product unless they buy out Vortech who have a common law trademark on the name, etablished by many years of marketing their Firewall/VPN Linux distro.
Re:You Fool (Score:2)
I don't care what part of Steve's anatomy you are. I'm NOT going to lick you. So there....
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Maybe they will launch the grape/wine theme when they run out of big cats.
Re:Torrent Roar! (Score:5, Funny)
Deb: "What are you drawing?"
Napoleon: "A Liger"
Deb: "What's a Liger?"
Napoleon: "It's probably my favorite animal. It's a cross between a lion and tiger. It's bred for its skills in magic."
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Because it wasn't geek bashing. It was geek nostalgia. The director was clearly drawing on his own experiences.
It wasn't exactly Office Space (the funniest move of the last 10 years), but there were about a half dozen very clever moments in the film which at least made it worth watching.
Vote for Pedro, bee-otch.
Tiger (Score:5, Funny)
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Going all the way (Score:5, Funny)
Tyger! Tyger! Burning Gold
In the burners to be sold.
What immortal slot or tray
Could load thee come time for GA?
In what distant road or skies,
Might come the discs that makes search fly?
On what wings to us do speed,
A Dashboard to hold small things we need?
And what shoulder and what art,
Can automate the things that aren't?
Why it's Automator - pretty sweet!
Should I buy it? In a beat!
As you can tell by the last verse it's about time for me to give up
List of Devices? (Score:5, Interesting)
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Coincidence? Maybe.
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No, jumping the gun, very UNLIKELY (Score:3, Informative)
connect via 9500's T-Mobile connection? (Score:4, Funny)
FOSE is kind of like the GTC (Score:5, Informative)
Chances are, they're showcasing 10.4 to Government buyers. This is not uncommon, actually. I saw the iMac at the GTC expo months before the unit was available to the public. At that time, it was 1 of only 7 completed iMacs - Apple was more than happy to showcase it to the Government & Educational buyers.
Heck, Apple was showing 10.4 at booths at Macworld - why not? "Look what you can look forward to!"
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Then again, I did work at Apple at the time, so I saw quite a few things that weren't announced yet.
Tiger timeline and iSync supported devices (Score:4, Informative)
In terms of iSync, it has been rumored that it will be upgraded to support more devices, but the precise list has not been made available. Hopefully device manufacturers are smart enough to get their (favored) phones represented in the list of devices they sell... but clearly, some manufacturers are sunsetting a bunch of devices - and so the financial advantage of iSync support for end-of-life products is dubious.
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It's a branding thing. People respond more and more quickly to names than they do to numbers.
Thus ends my utterly irrelevant trivia post for the day.
I was at FOSE too.... (Score:5, Informative)
Even more interesting from my perspective was that from the talks I had with them, their server line and the X-raid stuff is starting to garner a lot more interest in government areas that were previously closed to anything related to Apple. I'd seen their stuff online, but once you get to see it first-hand and see the prices it's difficult to see why this stuff is so freakin' cool.
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it's not difficult to see why this stuff is so freakin' cool
Long day walking the floor at FOSE
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List of devices that will work with iSync? (Score:4, Interesting)
Thanks.
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Cheers!
Sharing internet to Bluetooth still does not work (Score:2, Interesting)
You can share your Bluetooth connection *to* wifi/eth0, but you can't share your wifi/modem/eth0 *to* Bluetooth devices. And all the third party hacks are just not reliable.
Apparently Linux can do it [osnews.com] reliably.
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The beauty of OS X (Score:2)
That seems pretty weird to me. Isn't that half the beauty of OS X? You can use the standard UNIX command-line tools to customise the system in ways the apple designers didn't envision? Otherwise you may as well run XP.
You can always write your own PrefsPane (Score:2)
With all due respect, that is patent nonsense. Apple will have had a reason why they didn't make this built-in feature available in their preference pane. Perhaps there was a bug in their pane code that didn't get fixed in time and was thus removed, perhaps something else. In any event, the feature of routing packets between any given network interfaces is built-in to OSX.
There are tons of built-in features for which there
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Internet sharing on the Mac works through DHCP. When you turn on Internet sharing on a given interface, an instance of the DHCP server is launched bound to that interface and the kernel is configured to route packets from that interface to the default route.
Bluetooth doesn't work like that. There's no IP-over-Bluetooth. Instead, Bluetooth works like a serial port. While yes, you can certainly shuttle IP over serial using PPP, that's not how the Mac's Internet sharing works.
Why not? Because exactly zero people have submitted feature requests. At this point, the feature list for Mac OS X is so deep, a feature has to be requested by tens of thousands of people before it bubbles up to the top.
So if you get together with 19,999 of your closest friends and submit requests to Radar, I'm sure we'll get right on it.
I know this sounds elitist, but the bottom line is that we only have so many programmers. They can't scratch every user's every itch. If we tried
Here is how you do it ... (Score:3, Informative)
What stops you from starting natd and adding two rules to ipfw to route all packets between the interface associated with your WAN connection, eg. eth0 and whichever interface is associated with your bluetooth device, eg. ppp0.
I did this back in the day of OSX 10.1 when there was no internet sharing option in the network preference panel and it worked just fine.
The guys as afp548.com still have the HOWTO article online from the time when there
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Look, I understand your point. "Just do it this way, it's simple." But I would never, ever recommend something like that to a Mac user. The fact that it's possible doesn't mean it's something to brag about. If you're happy with an answer like that, you're probably not a Mac user. You're probably happy with something like Linux already. And frankly, if that's the case, you wouldn't be asking. You would already know how
OS X Liger (Score:4, Funny)
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Foose Design (Score:2)
I always thought Chip was a Linux user?
FACT! (Score:2, Funny)
10.4 will be out within 10 days... (Score:3, Interesting)
What I would like to see in iSync (Score:5, Interesting)
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How can I submit feature requests to Apple? (Score:2)
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Acronyms by osmosis? (Score:5, Informative)
I didn't have a clue what FOSE stood for. I clicked the link to its home page, and not once is it defined there.
A quick Google search fixed this (FOSE - Federal Office Systems Exposition) but really: are things like this so commonly known that they don't need to be defined?
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True. I didn't know what FOSE was until reading your post.
Another weird thing is this whole "learning by osmosis" phrase. I guess I first it in 6th or 7th grade science class when I learned what osmosis was, and never understood the phrase.
Osmosis is the transfer of _water_ through a semi-permeable membrane. I don't get where putting cellulose (wood or paper) on your head will even metaphorically promote "learning by osmosis". I can see learning by diffusion, but I guess that does not sound as smart a
It's worse than that (Score:2)
This Google query confirms that the definition of the acronym is nowhere to be found at FOSE.com:
http://www.google.com/search?as_epq=%22office+sys t ems%22&as_sitesearch=fose.com [google.com]
FTE with DOS (Score:4, Funny)
What's the Hold Up? (Score:5, Informative)
While the Mac rumor sites have been speculating on an early release of Tiger since it was announced last June, I don't think that their rumor-mongering does anything to speed up its release and quite possibly:
Re:What's the Hold Up? (Score:2)
Plan on 3 hours. But back up everything!
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The time for the backup, clean install, reinstall of apps, reconfiguring of prefs is about a half day. The extra time is so th
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That'll take maybe 30 minutes (just be sure to quit all running apps prior to starting up CCC). Booting off of it, to verify it boots, then switching back to your original boot drive, should take another 5. If you have any custom folders off the root, be sure to copy them over at this time, but the standard OSX folders will get copied (applicatio
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That way you always have a working backup drive.
So OS updates are easy. Just blast one of the two drives and install the new release on it. Copy files from the old backup drive as necessary. Worst case, just reboot from the o
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9500, connectivity, PuTTY (Score:2)
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Improved Palm support would be nice (Score:2, Insightful)
I know people are jackasses about.... (Score:5, Insightful)
release date? (Score:4, Informative)
The cat's out of the bag?
Re:Any Comment on Release Date (Score:4, Informative)
He was standing beside me when I clicked on the "About this Mac" option which showed the 10.4. I said out loud, "Cool it has Tiger!" He then took the mouse and did something to have the About This Mac box show the build number.
I'm sure someone out there knows how to show the build number with / instead of the version number. I don't remember if the version number was displaying at the same time as the build number after the rep. I just distinctly remember the build number and the big smile on his face.
Re:Any Comment on Release Date (Score:5, Informative)
Just click on the version number in the About box, and it will switch to the build number; click again, and it'll display the serial number.
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On panther go to about this mac
where it says "version 10.3.8", click the text
it'll change
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Re:Just speed up the GUI for christ's sake... (Score:5, Informative)
http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/ubb.x/a/tpc/f/ 8300945231/m/886008328631/r/886008328631/ [arstechnica.com]
And don't knock Spotlight until you've tried it. You don't like instantaneous searching?
Apple usually has a huge booth at NAB (Score:2)
NAB [nabshow.com]
Re:Yey for Tiger! (Score:4, Interesting)
The features the summary is toting is the acceptance of more phones *specifically* in the *sync* solution in OS X. You can still *connect* with any phone over bluetooth just as easily as you can on Windows, and probably sync as well because an open standard (SyncML) is used.