Nuclear Fuel How-To 335
ATMosby writes "The BBC has an article that pretty much sums up everything you might need to know if you wanted to refine nuclear fuel and build some atomic weapons." From the article: "Uranium is the basic raw material of both civilian and military nuclear programmes. It is extracted from either open-cast pits or by underground mining. Although uranium occurs naturally all over the world, only a small fraction is found in concentrated ores. When certain atoms of uranium are split in a chain reaction, energy is released. This process is called nuclear fission."
Fission? No kidding! (Score:4, Funny)
Thanks for clearing that up for us...
Re:Fission? No kidding! (Score:2, Informative)
Only U-233 or U-235 is useful for fission reactions. While U-238 can fission, it requires at least 5 MeV of kinetic energy from an incident neutron, while U-233 and U-235 require no energy. This makes U-238 fairly useless for fission except in the case where plutonium is made (U-238 + n -> (U-239)* -> Np-239 -> Pu-239). Pu-239 requires no energy to fission (and this is general of all heavy nuclides with odd atomic masses).
U-235 is 0.65% naturally occuring,
Next week he demonstrates (Score:5, Funny)
But the next program in the series is a bit of a let down. Its on "How to reconcile the Russians and the Chinese"
Re:Next week he demonstrates (Score:2)
"Well, first of all become a doctor and discover a marvellous cure for something, and then, when the medical profession really starts to take notice of you, you can jolly well tell them what to do and make sure they get everything right so there'll never be any diseases ever again."
Oops, sorry, sorry, wrong episode. That's the preview of "How to play the flute, how to split an atom, how to construct a box girder bridge, how to irrigate the Sahara Desert and make vast new areas of land cu
Roland! Roland! Roland! (Score:2)
Re:Fission? No kidding! (Score:2)
So? (Score:5, Insightful)
I wonder how many people are going to think this is some sort of threat to 'national security.'
Re:So? (Score:5, Insightful)
Actually, your high school physics book probably has *more* information. This "in-depth article" is nothing more than a few graphs and a description.
That being said, nuclear fission technology is stupidly simple in it theoretical foundations. Once one is able to build an atomic pile (demonstrating sufficient purity of U235), it's only a short period of time until a gun-type A-Bomb can be made. All you need is two sub-critical masses of U235 that add up to a critical mass. Mount one mass in a stationary (and strong!) holder. Take the other piece and mount in some sort of gun. The more force the gun can impart on the second piece, the better. Fire the first piece at the second, and viola! You're dead!
Ermm... I mean... you can see a pretty light show from the U235 compressing into a super-critical bundle.
Nuclear reactors and Implosion bombs are a bit more difficult, but not beyond any country with sufficient industrial capability. This article [progressive.org] from the magazine "The Progressive" tells you how to build a hydrogen bomb. Good luck on that, though. Implosion bombs aren't too bad with computer modelling, but H-Bombs are REALLY, REALLY tricky.
Of course, if a Slashdotter with no formal training in nuclear science can desribe how bombs are built, is there any question as to why nuclear materials are carefully controlled?
Re:So? (Score:5, Informative)
Such capacitors and explosives are within the reach of a state like Iran (and Iraq claimed to have produced them before the first Gulf War), Krytrons, however, use beta from Ni-63 to help keep the gas in them ionized (to allow for a faster arc discharge), so they take more effort.
Re:So? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:So? (Score:2)
Citing the NYTimes is as likely to be unbiased as CBS News or Newsweek.
Re:So? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:So? (Score:3, Interesting)
The Reagan arms shipments [consortiumnews.com] to Iran might have reached a value of $82B. Even the smaller, officially admitted figures account for TOW missiles illegally shipped through Israel, which were strategically valuable to Iran in its Iraq war. That's what "Iran/Contra" was (half) about, but I suppose you've got some kind of "legitimate" explanation that excuses that illegal guns/drugs/policy scam.
The memos were confirmed by the secretary who was in the office at the time of the e
Re:So? (Score:2)
Building nuclear weapons is stupidly simply from a theoretical standpoint. Understanding *why* they work, and developing new engineering concepts isn't so simple.
Basically, it's the traditional "once someone has done it, it's easy" conundrum. Columbus and the Egg [worldwideschool.org] is a particularly good example of this situation, even if the story is fiction.
Re:So? (Score:2)
1) Does it matter?
2) Does it matter?
3) Does it matter?
4) Does it matter?
The "why" is irrelevant the second time around; only the "what" matters. That was the parent's point.
Re:So? (Score:5, Insightful)
Amateurs who don't know much at all about particle physics build Farnsworth Fusors for fun. All you need to know to build something is a design. Physics doesn't care if you know why it works.
Re:So? (Score:4, Informative)
64,1kg of HEU (80% average enrichment). The bullet was a cyllindrical stack of U-235 rings each 10cm wide and 16 cm long, containing 25.6kg total (6 rings). The stack was backed by a tungsten carbide disk and steel backplate, all within a 1/16th inch thick steel can to form a complete projectile. The target was a hollow cylinder 16 cm long and wide, weighing 38.4 kg. It was fabricated of two rings that were inserted into the bomb separately. The bullet contained 89% enriched HEU; the target the rest of the uranium.
The bullet was encased in a boron "safety sabot" to help prevent accidents; there was also a plug on the target. When fired, these would strip off. You could easily omit such safety features if you were unconcerned with safety.
The tamper assembly was thick tungsten carbide surrounded by a steel forging, 60cm wide, with a combined mass of 2300kg. A hole was bored in the forging to insert the tamper and the target; the hole was threaded to allow secure attachment of the gun. At the back of the hole, past the target, there was space for one or more polonium initiators (I can dig up several polonium initiator designs for you if you would like; Little Boy used four very inefficient ones - the bomb would have worked without an initiator, and the decision to use an initiator wasn't even established till March 1945).
The gun was a 3" antiaircraft gun, 6.5" wide, 6 feet long, bored out to 4", weighing 450kg, with a breech block of 34kg. Standard cordite propellant was used, to achieve a 300m/s (slow) velocity. Of course, given how unsafe the Little Boy design was, even dropping the device hard enough could have given some significant (even full) yield.
The complete weapon was 126 inches long, 28 inches in diameter, and 8900 pounds. Need a diagram?
Note that being "exact" doesn't matter; Little Boy was a very conservative design, and allows for very large tolerances of error. The worst you'll get is a lower yield.
P.S. - I found this information in 5 minutes. Imagine someone actually dedicated to the cause of building a nuclear weapon...
Re:So? (Score:5, Insightful)
Here we go again: "converted into a gas, uranium hexafluoride". Why not just say how hex is produced - it is dissolved in nitric acid to produce uranyl nitrate, reacted with ammonia to produce ammonium diuranate, reduced with hydrogen to produce UO2, then converted with HF to UF4 (which is a nice storage method, because it can be readily converted to either hex, ceramics, or metal). You react the UF4 with fluorine to produce UF6.
Just stating the chemical pathway isn't giving away any sort of secrets; this is all public domain. The technical challenges are in setting up a large scale refining process, and not getting caught doing it, because large quantities of many involved chemicals (for example hydrofluoric acid) are monitored.
They only mention two enrichment methods (gas diffision and gas centrifuge), and ignore some of the newer methods in development (I'm rather fond of the LIS (Laser Isotope Separation) methods; they take advantage of the fact that the different isotopes of uranium ionize differently from different wavelengths of light. AVLIS works on uranium gas ionization, while MLIS works by encouraging the selective disassociation of U235 hex. There's a couple other methods in development as well.
Even what they mention of gas diffusion and gas centrifuges is vague. For example, the whole world was reading two years ago about the controversy over the "aluminum tubes" - the centrifuge rotors are flow-formed from tubes and welded to a central shaft, which spins on a fine bearing at the base and is magneticly suspended at the top. Because of the high forces on the rotors, you need high grade alloys. Iraq never had used aluminum - its imported designs called for maraging steel, and the aluminum was ill-suited for welding as well. This was all over the news - where were the editors then?
I could easily keep on going, but I think the point is made - why are the editors impressed by this article? It's nothing - they've clearly never bothered googling for uranium enrichment before.
Re:So? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:So? (Score:2)
Yeah, I was thinking most
Now if it was a "Dating Hot Babes How-To"...
Re:So? (Score:2)
Nuclear fusion reactore running on gum drops can now have there fuel recycled to make weapons using marshmallows and humus. Only one in 7 gum drops out of a 1000 are light enought to get above the marshmallow and humus mixture for actual usage.
Re:So? (Score:2, Offtopic)
Your disgusting.
His disgusting what?
Grow up and get some respect.
Um...I think you meant to say show some respect...
If you have a problem with this country save up and by a one-way ticket to somewhere else.
No. I think I'll stay here in MY country and work for change. I'm sure you and the rest of your neo-conservative fascist mouth-breathing ilk would love it if people with ideologies slightly different from yours just ran away, but sorry...we're not going to make it that easy for you.
To sum up,
RE: Simple: and elegant. (Score:2)
And as usual, most of the best places to get the materials you need are college campuses.
Don't forget Niger... (Score:2)
Re: Simple: and elegant. (Score:2)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/world/2003/nu
And it was part of high-school physics to know how nuclear reactors (fission/fusion) work or should work.
And while we're at it . . . (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:And while we're at it . . . (Score:4, Informative)
You Forgot (Score:4, Informative)
Re:And while we're at it . . . (Score:2)
http://oakridgevisitor.com/tidbits.html [oakridgevisitor.com]
Re:And while we're at it . . . (Score:2)
Experts believe a crude plutonium bomb could be designed and assembled by terrorists possessing no greater level of skill than needed by the AUM cult to attack the Tokyo underground with nerve gas in 1995.
That is just plain wrong. The shape needed for a plutonium bomb to go off needs some very high tolerances, not achievable by average guys in a garage shop. Also throw in the fact that you must get the Plutonium-240 out of the PU-239, or it will pr
Girlfriend (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Girlfriend (Score:2)
Only in America... (Score:5, Insightful)
On the other hand, I did get a nice refresher on the process. You do forget a few things in 20 years. And I can use the site as a resource for my kids, since they'll be too busy being taught "Intelligent Design" to be bothered with anything as mundane as chemistry and physics.
Re:Only in America... (Score:2)
These pages are pretty useless and surely doesn't deserve the title for this /. post being a HOW-TO.
Re:Only in America... (Score:2)
Not only in America (Score:2)
Not to mention the fact that there's dumb people everywhere you go. When you're done being bitter about being forced to live in America, you should do a reality check.
Re:Only in America... (Score:2)
Iraq rebuilt the plant without outside assistance in 1988
Your article states:
Project 182, relating to the construction of a research reactor, foresaw the construction of an indigenous research reactor to replace the capability that would have been provided by the Osirak (Tamuz-1) research reactor. This project originated in 1984/85 after the breakdown in Iraq's negotiations with France for the rebuilding of the Osirak reactor. The Project 182 reacto
Re:Only in America... (Score:3, Informative)
It is idiotic to believe that Iraq technology remained static for 10 years, and it is rather naive to believe that with that length of time to aquire material with the illbegotten oil-for-food revenue, that he didn't already have the equipment within his country to refine whatever uranium he was able to import. But this is America, where we allow people to believe whatever they want to believe...
Apparently you think reality is idiotic. Suit yourself.
Article Text? (Score:2)
Re:Article Text? (Score:2)
Re:Article Text? (Score:2)
That big Homeland Security budget is really paying off. And here I thought they wouldn't accomplish anything.
Not That Easy (Score:2)
Then you have to irradiate the fuel.
Then you have to separate the uranium from the plutonium.
Then you have to build the device (tricky is an understatement).
If you just use uranium you still have to mine, extract, and enrich the fuel. Then you have to build the trigger and test.
None of this is cheap nor safe to do.
Re:Not That Easy (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Not That Easy (Score:2)
No nuclear fuel needed.
The centre of New York, Washinton, London is some very expensive real estate.
Which means that it will be cleaned up quickly because it is so valuable.
Re:Not That Easy (Score:2)
If the worker bees die, so what? (Score:2)
That's what is scary about it.
Good motivator, fear...
Re:Not That Easy (Score:2)
This is what scares the crap out of so many people.
You would actually need some fairly high-level radioactive materials to make a good dirty bomb: uranium ore will make a geiger counter nervous, but nothing much happens until you start concentrating the stuff.
You don't need to bother maki
Re:Not That Easy (Score:2)
This just in (Score:2)
And this article... (Score:2)
And don't forget to include this article...
Nothing new, check your encyclopedia (Score:3, Interesting)
The better informed the public is to how these things work, the better off we'll be in participating in our national policies. Saying that the information should be restricted is akin to arguing in favor of 'security through obscurity'. I argue that if you criticize both the BBC article and Microsoft for their security policies, then you're exhibiting traits of hypocrisy.
In the end, the part of the equation that's required is the presence of uranium. It's hard to get. It's even harder to mine/refine, especially in secret.
Re:Nothing new, check your encyclopedia (Score:3, Insightful)
Bingo. Technologists, expecially computer geeks, seem to have a tendency (perhaps justifiably) to believe that mere knowledge of HOW to do something means that actually doing it is trivial. In this case, however, this knowledge is not a severe threat because its implementation remeans one of the most difficult, dangerous, and expensive processes known to man.
Re:Nothing new, check your encyclopedia (Score:3, Funny)
Hmmmm.... (Score:2)
Not Even Close (Score:5, Informative)
Sorry, but that site isn't even close to "everything you might need to know" about building a Bomb. That's more like the 5 minute capsule summary. If you really want to know everything about building a Bomb but don't want to get a security clearance, the best place to look is Carey Sublette's Nuclear Weapon Archive [nuclearweaponarchive.org]. It's amazing just how much non-classified information it contains.
Gone Fission (Score:3, Funny)
"Furious George! What have they done to you? Smithers, this monkey is going to need most of your skin."
Everything I need to know? (Score:2)
Enrichment in USA? (Score:2)
COUNTRIES WITH CENTRIFUGE PLANTS: Brazil, China, Germany, Japan, Iran, Netherlands, North Korea, Pakistan, Russia, UK
What does the USA use instead of centrifuge plants then?
Re:Enrichment in USA? (Score:2, Informative)
Pure Freedom (Score:3, Funny)
Article is an excerpt... (Score:5, Funny)
Chapters you'll get in the full book:
"Oppenheimer Shcmoppenheimer"
"Building Your First Triggering Device"
"Oops, Look at All the Fallout"
$14.95 US / $19.95 CAN
Re:Article is an excerpt... (Score:2)
Errors I noticed (Score:5, Insightful)
-The gun and implosion types of bombs aren't tied to the fissile type. You could use either type with either plutonium or uranium.
-They didn't mention confinement of the reaction on the gun type of bomb. If you don't try to hold it together with a heavy bomb casing, the bomb will blow itself apart as soon as fission begins, resulting in a really low yield.
If you were to try to build a bomb from these instructions, it wouldn't work.
Re:Errors I noticed (Score:2)
So is this an attempt by some unnamed organization to poision the information network?
This would make any information out there untrusted and require verification and tests before being trusted adding to the complexity of the process. Pretty good low cost method for reducing the value of information, (until critiques of its reliability get out anyways).
Re:Errors I noticed (Score:2)
*Gets in bomb shelter*
Re:Errors I noticed (Score:3, Informative)
No, that's about right. Standard commercial PWR/BWR reactors use 3-5% enrichment; CANDU heavy water reactors can use lower enrichment. Research (and military?) reactors tend to use higher enrichments-- 20-90%. However, the NRC has been strongly encouraging universities to recalculate the load geometries to rely on fuel at the lower end of that range to limit the amount of highly enriched uranium in non-military facilities. T
Re:Errors I noticed (Score:2)
With a proper initiator, the efficiency of a gun device can be improved. It only takes about 500 ns for the chain reaction to run its course. That's too short a time for the bomb casing to be an issue. A heavy tamper will slow the disassembly of the core.
Funny (Score:2)
The congressmen, some, were asking their questions like they wanted the information to be out there and talked a lot of urban myths and so forth. They were almost let down when they found out the truth - it hasn't happened yet, "they" don't have a bomb.
Anyways, th
Newsflash! (Score:2, Funny)
Nuclear energy works by splitting atoms!
(continued on page 10)
Re:Newsflash! (Score:2)
You want fusion? You got it! (Score:3, Informative)
"Good news, everyone!"
- Professor Hubert Farnsworth
Farnsworth Fusor [rexresearch.com]. More on Wikipedia [wikipedia.org].
Buildable and safely operable by any grad student. A non-fusing version (using only hydrogen) that serves as a proof-of-concept could be built and safely demonstrated by a group of bright, mechanically-inclined, and well-equipped high school student.
If, by "working", you mean "produces more energy than it tak
Re:You want fusion? You got it! (Score:2)
Inconsiderate (Score:5, Funny)
Just another example (Score:5, Insightful)
Not news, not newsworthy, not even mildly interesting to anyone who was awake in 6th grade science class.
What's next? A front page story on the dangers and publich health threat of dihydrogen oxide?
Re:Just another example (Score:2)
So either is slashdot is moving into new territorys or i would say its a little error
The Curve of Binding Energy (Score:2, Informative)
Way short of "everything"! (Score:4, Informative)
I guess the slashdot editor thought it was a slow news day or something....
slow news day on slashdot... (Score:2, Funny)
Let's have more stories about nude pictures on Yahoo!
everything? (Score:4, Interesting)
This is true, in the same way
"Everything you need to know how to build a car is that pistons get pushed down by gas exploding which turns the crankshaft which turns the wheels"
is everything you need to know to build a car. Or
"Think of space as a sheet with masses as balls"
Is everything you need to know about general relativity
A general overview of anything is usually quite simple however in practise building a nuclear bomb is pretty difficult.
Oh come on... (Score:2, Interesting)
If you want plutonium, you need to have a working fission reactor, which ostensibly makes you subject to regular inspection (and is hard to hide). If you want Highl
Newcular World Order (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Newcular World Order (Score:2)
Dude, I sent in my 4 boxtops and 8.95, and it's been 6-8 weeks already, so where's my freakin' bomb? Plus, those X-ray glasses Khan sent me totally do not help me see through women's clothing. Khan, if you're out there, I want my money back, you crook!
Seriously, this really drives home how the whole "Weapons of Mass Destruction" thing was just a bunch of bullshit. If the Bush Administration had truly wanted to do something
Re:Newcular World Order (Score:2)
News Flash (Score:2)
Nothing news here...
Is it a slow news day? (Score:2)
Re:Is it a slow news day? (Score:2)
This series of articles is from 2003.
Detailed reads... (Score:3, Informative)
That book inspired...
"Mushroom" by John Aristotle Philips about his paper at Princeton describing how to build a bomb. A student of Freeman Dyson, he got far more info than he ever dreamed he could get. The very impressive paper saved some less than stellar grades, and generated quite a buzz, more than a few cloaky phone calls and IIRC the paper got classified by the gummint.
last updated dates (Score:2)
Try the nuke faq & friends (Score:3, Informative)
Now we need to enrich the stuff first. These guys http://www.urenco.com/ [urenco.com] do it for a living and have a few nifty articles on centrifuges.
We also need a suitable boiler to make the good stuff(tm). My personal favorite is the Canadian (take that you pacifists) Candu design http://www.nuclearfaq.ca/ [nuclearfaq.ca].
This should get you in the WMD business in no time. Now don't try this at home unless you've got your own TV-show...
more detail here (Score:2)
I think we'll just have to face the fact that nuclear weapons will become accessible to many more nations over the coming decades.
Been done, and done!, and done!!. (Score:2)
When Union Carbide sponsored "The 20th Century", most of the information in the BBC article was broadcast in th
Much better pictures (Score:2)
Obligatory UHF (Score:2)
Alternative Reactors (Score:2)
Re:How is this information of significance (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:How long? (Score:5, Funny)
Well, first it needs to start distributing information.
Re:Where does the fuel come from? (Score:2)
Fuel is fabricated, not mined.
Re:Where does the fuel come from? (Score:2)
What's going to happen, the US invades C
Re:Where does the fuel come from? (Score:2)
Re:Where does the fuel come from? (Score:2)