Researchers Break Internet Speed Records 140
MosiMosi wrote to let us know about a new development on the Internet2 front. Researchers in Tokyo have advanced the speed of the network, breaking records twice in two days back in December of last year. "On Dec. 30 [researchers] sent data at 7.67 gigabits per second, using standard communications protocols. The next day, using modified protocols, the team broke the record again by sending data over the same 20,000-mile path at 9.08 Gbps. That likely represents the current network's final record because rules require a 10 percent improvement for recognition, a percentage that would bring the next record right at the Internet2's current theoretical limit of 10 Gbps."
Why is the theoretical limit 10 Gbps? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Why is the theoretical limit 10 Gbps? (Score:5, Funny)
Thank you,
Your Management.
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Never underestimate... (Score:5, Funny)
Beat THAT Internet2!
Feel free to correct my "calculations", as they weren't any such thing!
Airbus wins (Score:5, Insightful)
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Unfortunately the data was just a big string of Zeros...
Does that count? Great compression rate too!
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You look at a progress bar for entertainment?
On a more serious note, you'd still get in one chunk, so the initial byte wouldn't matter.
What we need to look at is Gigabits per dollar.
Assuming that you were somehow blessed with an ISP that would let you download over a TB/month, and had a 5Mb/s connection (and assuming constant speed), it would take roughly 19.4 days to download.
Assuming a 30-day month and that your ISP charged $40/month, it would come to $25.86 for that
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However, neither ISP has batted an eyelash at how much I have downloaded. And yes, depending on luck and quality of torrents, a terabyte takes typically less than two weeks to download.
Conclusion?
Move to Sweden. I
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Re:Never underestimate... (Score:5, Funny)
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Confusing bandwidth with latency... (Score:2)
At 0.85 mach, a A380 travels its own length in about 1/4 second. So the bandwidth of a A380 is 6720 Pbps. You only need 881,832 A380s to maintain that bandwidth over a 20000 mile course. How to get a 150 ton payload onto or off of an A380 in 0.25 seconds is left as an excercise for the network e
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Latency is how quickly the smallest piece of information takes to be sent.
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What's that smell? (Score:2)
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Assume 60 mph (Score:3, Funny)
If we assume 60mph average speed for that trip, than a 20,000 mile trip will take 333 hours and 20 minutes or 1,200,000. At 9 GB/s, the network will have transferred 10,800 TB in that amount of time. Assuming dual-layer blu-ray DVDs, each with 50 GB (0.05 TB) of data, the station wagon will have to carry more than 216,000 DVDs for it to win. If each DVD takes up about 3.6 cubic inches (0.1x6x6) or 0.002 cubic feet, the station wagon will need to carry 432 cubic feet of DVDs.
I think the network wins this o
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Re:Assume 60 mph and bytes not bits (Score:2)
not 10,800 TB.
So it's ~54 cubic feet which would fit in "2008 Volkswagen Jetta SportsWagen has 66.9ft^3 of storage space"
Or for more $$$
2gb microSD card 15 mm × 11 mm × 0.7 mm or 1/243,242 cubic foot.
2 * 243,242 GBytes = 475.082031 terabytes
So 3 cubic feet gives you 1.39 petabytes.
and 66.9ft^3 = 31 petabytes or ~23 times faster.
I stand by my calculations (this time, at least) (Score:2)
1.2 million seconds x 9 GB/s = 10.8 PB.
1.2 million seconds x 9.08 GB/s = 10.896 PB.
Where are you getting 1.29890442 PB from?
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Well, at least that explains that (Score:2)
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333.3 hours = 20,000 minutes = 1.2 million seconds. (check)
1.2 million seconds x 9 GBits/s = 10.8 PBbits. (check)
1.2 million seconds x 9.08 GBits/s = 10.896 PBbits.(check)
10.8 PetaBits / (8bits
Note: Bandwith is in bits, storage is in bytes.
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Re:But... (Score:5, Interesting)
Hmmm, let's see: Let's have maximum capacity DVD's at 9GB and for the sake of this exercise let's say the station wagon's capacity is 1000 DVDs so we have 9000GB moving around. Let's say the 20,000 mile distance will be covered at top speed (breaking speed limits in all states) at 100miles/h that results in 200 hours of deliverance time so:
station wagon data speed = 9000 GB / 200 hours = 45 GB / hour = 0.0125 GB / sec = 0.1 Gbit / sec
Nope the Japanese win!
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Your capacity estimate is way, way too low. My DVD test samples can get 15 discs in a space 1"x5"x5" (e.g., 25in^3). There are 1728in^3 in a cubic foot, which translates to about 69 such stacks, for a total of 1035 discs per cubic foot. With its rear seat folded down the 2008 Volkswagen Jetta SportsWagen has 66.9ft^3 of storage space (source [leftlanenews.com]). We'll call it 67ft^3 for the sake of the math, and assume that you've crammed a few discs in the glovebox. This brings us to a total of 69,345 discs in our datawagon. If we use dual layer blu-ray discs at 50gb/disc that comes to 3.07 petabytes (x10^15). I'll use your 200 hour delivery time, which means we have an overall speed of 269.09GB/s (3467250000000000 bytes / 12000 seconds). You can keep your internet2, although I -will- cede that it gets better gas mileage.
I would like to posit a new theorum: Advances in storage space and vehicle capacity will always increase such that a sufficiently well-fueled station wagon will have faster throughput than the latest advances in network architecture.
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Then theres rate it takes to burn and store disks, and get them all back into a computer on the other end (disk read rate + rate to unpack and move N thousand disks).
Networks already much faster once you factor that in.
And of course theres the fact that this multi-gigabit link doesn't need 3.07 petabytes to reach maximum speed.
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You sure have a funny definition of "hour." Last I checked, there were 3,600 seconds to an hour, not 60. Redoing your calculations with a value of 720,000 seconds gives us roughly 4.48GB/s or nearly 36Gbps.
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"Ok! Ok! I must have, I must have put a decimal point in the wrong place or something. Shit! I always do that. I always mess up some mundane detail."
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Remember, we are talking about data that we'd like to be able to read once the station wagon gets to its destination.
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You are mixing up latency with bandwidth. The latency (round trip time) of the connection here is 400 hours. The bandwidth (i.e. data rate) is the amount of data divided by the time it takes for the data to travel its own length.
At 100 mph, a station wagon will travel its length in 0.14 seconds. So the bandwidth of a stationwagon packed with 9000 GB of data is about 550 Tbps.
Given a train of station wagons running at 100mph, you could sustain that. Of course with 1440000000 ms ping times, I wouldn't try playing Battlefield 2 over that connection.
Seriously, the distinction is important. If you included transit time when calculating bandwidth, the theoretical maximum bandwidth for a 12,000 bit packet on a 20,000 mile path would be 112 kbps.
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How many DVDs can you carry in a station wagon? 50000? That would be about 400 TB of data. At 9 Gbps they could push about 80 TB per day. They're pushing that data 20000 miles, which is farther than a station wagon can go in 5 days, so it's Internet2 FTW. Even for short trips I think the station wagon would lose once you add in the media transfer time, unless of course data on DVD was what you wanted anyway.
(My calculations suggest you'd hit the weight limit of the station wagon before filling it up w
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My guess for the best today is MicroSD. It would be horrendously expensive, but you can get 2GB MicroSD cards. You'd have to amass a lot of MicroSD cards to have the same mass as a CD and it takes only five of them to out-store a dual layer DVD.
It would take some 25 of them to equal a Blu-Ray disc. Not sure which would win that competition.
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almost but not quite (Score:3, Informative)
and so when your staff sends you an e-Mail... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:and so when your staff sends you an e-Mail... (Score:4, Funny)
Senator Stevens ... (Score:2)
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Re:and so when your staff sends you an e-Mail... (Score:5, Funny)
Your staff doesn't send email. They send internets.
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On Soviet Slashdot, we send Internets to YOU.
Limit (Score:1)
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Improvement (Score:3, Funny)
Ha ha ha *snort* I beat myself up.
tubes? (Score:4, Funny)
We need a real alternative to the internet. (Score:4, Interesting)
Something that allows for video like Iptv would be big.
It would be more disruptive than the current net because then you could attend classes from home.
This would be great for the economy too.
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Obligatory Simpsons quote (Score:5, Funny)
Homer (drooling): "One million times faster...."
Gee I'm impressed... (Score:3, Interesting)
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That seems reasonable. Imagine one of those rocket cars that break speed records on salt pans, trying to do 500mph on the New Jersey Turnpike instead. The cops would pull it over in a heartbeat, if they could catch it. (I hea
This just in.. (Score:5, Funny)
An email has just been sent to a researcher on ARPANET in 1972, who unfortunately doesn't know what "v1@gr@" is or why he would want to "enlarge pens" with it.
eheheheeheheh damn you ! (Score:2)
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High quality movies! (Score:5, Funny)
Efforts to make a high quality version of "The Matrix Revolutions" have not succeeded in any time frame.
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So... it's going a few seconds faster than a few seconds?
New Speed Record? (Score:3)
Ummm, OC-192 is 9.6Gbps I think they are a little shy of the speed record. Maybe I missed something.
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Heck you can get yourself a nice 10gbit/sec line with 10 1gbit lines, ooh la lah
Tom
No, OC-192 is not a "bundle..." (Score:2)
If one is willing to consider multiple links running on a single physical one (i.e. DWDM fiber), 72 x 10 Gbps is possible. If multiple physical links are allowed, then the limit becomes financial/practical.
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Within a data center or a metro area, it's commercially viable to pump tens of gigabits per second of bits from point A to point B using many parallel fiber circuits between the two locations. What makes the Internet2 land speed record (http://www.internet2.edu/lsr/) interesting is adding distance to the problem by multiplying the speed times the distance. The unit of measurement they use is "terabit-meters
Gee, no more speed records? (Score:2)
It's interesting the first time you hear that somebody has sent data at 346363GiB/s or whatever, but there's only so many times you can nod and think "how nice for them" until you start wondering why you're not hearing anything about what's being done to prevent the incapacitation of
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Imagine what the internet will be like where all spams only counted for 0.01% of the total bandwidth? "They simply cannot breed spammers fast enough to saturate the lines."
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that's a lot of porn and spam (Score:2)
Here come the Library of Congress jokes (Score:1)
9 gigabits?! (Score:2)
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Conduit (Score:2)
This is great (Score:1)
faster than light speed? (Score:2)
size of a byte, and storage capacity of the net (Score:3, Interesting)
c / 9.08e9 bits per second =
the speed of light / (9.08e9 (bits per second)) = 0.264134324 m / Byte
20000 miles / (c / 9.08e9 bits per second) =
(20 000 miles) / (c / (9.08e9 (bits per second))) = 116.212843 megabytes
So bytes are 26 centimeters long, and the network holds 116MB in transit.
100 Gigabit already achieved! (Score:2, Informative)
The IEEE expects the standard to be ratified in mid 2008 for the fiber version & copper (CAT8?) to come out within a couple of years after that (late 2009 or 2010).
Siemens achieves 111 Gigabits over 2,400 kilometers
http://presszoom.com/story_127837.html [presszoom.com]
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I wonder what the size of all of the knowledge that mankind has at this moment is?
6 billion people * 20TB = 12 x 10^10 TB = = 1.05553116 × 10^23 bits
so...
3,115,132 years to send a copy of the library of congress to everyone.