First Third-party Native iPhone Application Released 192
An anonymous reader writes "A third-party native application for the iPhone is now available. Gizmodo discusses the real full-fledged iPhone application with a graphic user interface and its own icon in the iPhone home screen. It is not a Web 2.0 app but the real thing. What is it? Ironically enough, MobileTerminal, 'a terminal emulator application for the iPhone. MobileTerminal.app is NOT an SSH client, nor Telnet for that matter. It can however be used to execute a console ssh-client application.' The iPhone dev revolution has just started."
SWEET! (Score:5, Funny)
Terminal!
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You can use it to pipe text messages to festival. Then it's like you're actually talking to the other person!
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don't forget that OS X (iPhone's OS) is derived from Mac OS X, which in itself has a pretty powerful TTS engine, that frankly sounds MUCH more human, though still not natural. i'd be kinda surprised if apple's TTS engine isn't already on the iPhone waiting to be used - especially since they've been putting some resources into it lately. [link [archive.org] - it's a shame they don't have the sample for alex posted anymore... you'll hear it in october!]
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I'll second that.
I just wish AT&T's network coverage wasn't crap where I live so I wouldn't have had to return it... and still be charged $110 for the privilege.
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oh you didn't know??
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It's beyond me how someone would switch carriers without trying out the service first. A $20 prepaid phone from RadioShack or similar comes with like $10 worth of airtime.
Well... for starters, I wasn't even aware that that that was an option.
it's just not that hard to figure out before signing a 2-year contract
A 2 year contract... with a 2-week trial period (with which, I naively assumed I could - and follow me here - try the service).
It's really your own fault if you lost that kind of money because you aren't in a good enough service area
Yes, it is my fault. I fully admit that. I didn't read the contract in detail, I stupidly assumed that when AT&T's own site [att.com] said
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WebShell [umich.edu] is a project that is geared specifically as an SSH client for the iPhone. The problem is that it requires installation on any server that you want SSH access to.
GotoSSH.com [gotossh.com] appears to provide web SSH access that would probably also work on the iPhone. It seems unique because it doesn't require any software installation on the SSH servers. I've found it handy since I can connect to some of my servers that are outside of my
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Network impact (Score:4, Insightful)
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Whatever bullshit AT&T is trying to feed its customers about the reason for this being disabled because of "network interruption" needs to stop. This is simply that AT&T had persuaded Apple to not allow third party development so that AT&T could profit from selling their own applications.
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However, if the first applications *do* somehow cause n
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I think apple wasn't ready for it yet, meaning they didn't have a polished sdk to give to developers.
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Even when it's common knowledge in all of the trade magazines and forums that'd even care about this feature that Apple's excuse (not justification) is absolute and utter bullshit?
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telemarketers (Score:5, Funny)
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Cellphone, remember? Why would you want to lead on telemarketers when you pay by the minute?
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But I'm in the US, you insensitive clod! (I spell "civilized" with a 'z'.)
Ultimate gaming platform? (Score:2, Funny)
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PSPhone DS (Score:5, Interesting)
Here's the apple game dev ad [highendcareers.com].
This speaks legions to me, and it says Apple is not only going to turn the iPhone into a a cool smartphone, but they will also start selling games with it. IT has enough horsepower and screen real estate to take on the PSP..... and the DS, with the multi touch interface.
If it works and sells, Sony is going to shit big square bricks, Steve Ballmer is single handedly going to cause a world chair shortage, and Nintendo is going to be most challenged. Anything you can do with the DS, you can do with the iPhone.
Most, most interesting.
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Except play brain training, or nintendogs, or pokemon, or new super mario bros, or have it cost you (and I mean the average person who can't hack it, and even if you can it's still gonna cost you £250+) less than £100.
The iPhone is a flashy gadget, it's not a games console and it won't ever be.
Ever.
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Anything you can do with the DS, you can do with the iPhone.
Apart from use a stylus [wikipedia.org]. That's going to be quite a deal breaker, given that a lot of DS games require precise touches, which can't really be achieved with even the daintiest of fingertips. I don't think the whole touch thing is likely to work that well when you move from the few-pixels precision of the stylus on the DS to a big fat finger on the iPhone.
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Hmmm
Also, if you go into any store that sells guitars, you can buy finger picks. The plastic ones would be easy to file to a point, if they're not already fine enough for your screen.
The limitation here is the resolution of the
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Not particularly surprising: iPod games have existed since the last generation was released (not counting the iPhone), and we know from Jobs that the next-gen iPods will be more like the iPhone architecturally (running [not Mac] OS X). I'd imagine it's a whole heap cheaper to hire somebody with experience rather than license games if they want to distribute any with the device wi
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Have to be kidding me (Score:2)
Except play third party games and first party Nintendo games. Even the biggest Apple fanboy can't truly believe that the "magic" Apple can become a better game developer than Nintendo overnight. Or that ANY "console" can thrive on first party games alone (the Gamecube tried)...
Let me break you off a clue: The DS is not successful for what it can do, it is successful for what it does and what it costs. If potential alone sold consoles, than the PS
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Newsflash: they intend to follow the same model they followed with the iPod, namely to distribute a few games via the itms, and to not have any 3rd party development. Games are a gimmick on the iPod, and they'll be a gimmick on the iPhone. I
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f it works and sells, Sony is going to shit big square bricks, Steve Ballmer is single handedly going to cause a world chair shortage, and Nintendo is going to be most challenged. Anything you can do with the DS, you can do with the iPhone.
You do realize that buying the iPhone is equivalent to buying a PS3 in terms of price. We all saw how well that went. How do you expect the iPhone, which is only offered by one carrier to compete with the PSP and the DS in terms of price, platform, and developers? A
For $350 MORE i would HOPE so! (Score:2)
So now they are actually showing that it IS in fact possible to develop full blown applications on this just makes everyone that has been screaming about the lack of a SDK gasp in disgust.
It's obvious that it's not a technical issue they just don't want the common person to be able to develop applicat
problems with it ... (Score:2)
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Simon
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The authenticity of host '192.168.1.100 (192.168.1.100)' can't be established.
RSA key fingerprint is ee:1b:b0:3d:7a:a8:38:04:ae:56:6e:a1:41:d2:69:73.
Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? y
Please type 'yes' or 'no': yes
Warning: Permanently added '192.168.1.100' (RSA) to the list of known hosts.
root@192.168.1.100's password:
-sh-3.2# chmod -x
-sh:
-sh-3.2# chmod -x
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Also:
C:\Documents and Settings\Robert\Desktop\Terminalr73>scp -rp Terminal.app root@1
92.168.1.100:/Applications/
root@192.168.1.100's password:
sh: scp: command not found
lost connection
C:\Documents and Settings\Robert\Desktop\Terminalr73>
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Well there's my problem. I want this (specifically, I want to be able to have a SSH client on my iPhone), but i don't want to fuck around with my iPhone. First, I'm not the sort of guy who gets joy out of fucking around with a device getting it to do things it's not supposed to do, and second I'm nervous about somehow bricking my phone.
So can someone come up with a simple installer or something? Is that not possible for some reason?
Whoa there boy... (Score:4, Insightful)
1 and 2 are ridiculous claims based off of this information, and I'm pretty sure they were already aware of #3 based off of the grumbling developers and blogs after WWDC.
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Oh don't you love the smell of burnt karma in the morning =)
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I agree. At most, we might assume that the fact there hasn't been some "cease and desist" letter sent asking for the project to be taken down means that Apple won't do much to prevent hacking the iPhone. Of course, they still might do what they do when people hack iTunes's DRM: they release an update to prevent known hacks.
Don't get me wrong, I really hope that Apple changes their mind and opens the device for 3rd party development, and I think it's possible they still might. However, I don't think we'v
What does it do? (Score:2)
MobileTerminal.app is NOT an SSH client, nor Telnet for that matter. It can however be used to execute a console ssh-client application."
What does it connect to as a terminal? Does the iPhone have a serial port? Or is it a console window for the iPhone's operating system?
Re:What does it do? (Score:5, Informative)
Meaning, it's "a console window for the iPhone's operating system", yes.
Which also means that if the iPhone had a serial port, you could talk to that with MobileTerminal. Or if you want SSH or Telnet, those clients will run in MobileTerminal.
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On OS X, "Console.app" is what's used to display log messages. "Terminal.app" is used to interact with the text shell. That's why this app is named MobileTerminal instead of MobileConsole.
Google's offering. (Score:3, Interesting)
That said it'll be hard for them to beat the Phase 2 OpenMoko [openmoko.org] for developer fun.
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If Apple and AT&T OK this, it's great. (Score:2)
If not, it's going to be an arms race between the wily hackers (in the good sense) wedging apps into the beast, and AT&T detecting them and disabling user's accounts for quote-hacking-unquote (in the media sense).
Re:IPhone Revolution? (Score:5, Insightful)
It does look cool, but without an Apple sized hype-machine and good support from cell phone companies and service providers I don't see it taking off.
Re:IPhone Revolution? (Score:5, Insightful)
With no official SDK who is going to make applications for it? Maybe a couple of geeks happy to mess with something that's not documented and for which there's absolutely zero support from the vendor, but nobody of much importance. They'll have exactly the same problem you say OpenMoko has: That very few people will ever hear that something can be installed into an iPhone, and fewer yet will install something.
Installing applications will probably not be just a matter of point and click on a standard phone either.
"Hear Hear!" (Score:2)
The iPhone has an SDK (Score:5, Interesting)
I don't care for the iPhone, myself -- another closed proprietary system? I'll wait for OpenMoko.
But you kind of have to give them credit for one thing. If they had released an iPhone-only SDK, you'd see iPhone-only apps. By not releasing any SDK, and by releasing a real web browser for it, people are writing web apps designed for mobile devices [colloquy.info]. Which means they're not really tied to the iPhone.
I think that's kind of cool, actually.
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Besides, the iPhone is not empty, it has my music and movies and mail and photos and contacts and bookmarks and they are all useful. Havi
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Installing applications will probably not be just a matter of point and click on a standard phone either.
Installing third party software is a matter of point and click on a standard phone, if you haven't got an old relic of a phone that doesn't support MIDP [sun.com].
It goes like this:
1. Use standard broser to download an application you like, for instance Wayfinder Earth [wayfinder.com] or Opera Mini [operamini.com]
2. Copy the application to your SD or MS-card, if your phone support those, or connect your phone to your pc via USB, IR, Bluetooth or serial and install it using the application-installer supplied by the producer of your phone, whatever
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It's a nice accomplishment that somebody managed to add a terminal to their iPhone, but unless they somehow manage to come up with a way of installing their app on an unmodified iPhone that doesn't require going through arcane incantations, there's not going to be much of a revolution. And if they find one, Apple may very well close that hole in the next firmware revision.
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With no official SDK who is going to make applications for it?
Well all these [modmyiphone.com] people care enough about it as a platform to write what apps they can using the browser as SDK.
One of them in particular, is Popcap with the well known game bejewled.
Now you might say, that doesn't count because it's "just" a browser based app. But all of the applications listed there have been tailored to fit and work well on the iPhone. Most of the even use fragments of cust
Re:Beg to differ (Score:4, Insightful)
It's fantastic. For years, I've heard Mac fans (amongst others, sure) moan loudly about web standards. Browser independence. Railing against websites that discriminate against Safari. That are "best viewed in IE".
Now, there's the iPhone. And suddenly coding HTML and CSS to meet the needs of one device / browser combination is apparently A-ok, because it's their device. I see.
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Now, there's the iPhone. And suddenly coding HTML and CSS to meet the needs of one device / browser combination is apparently A-ok, because it's their device. I see.
No. No you do not.
Web-based applications, are a totally seperate beast than iPhone specific applications, and we must be very clear t
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Now, how many normal people actually run Linux or something that's not games on one of those? I would guess that these markets have relatively few overlaps. People who buy an XBox to run Linux on it are geeks knowing that MS underpriced hardware and want to take advantage of that. They're FAR from normal users. I'm a geek, and I don't have use for such things, as the effort to get s
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1) automatically check unknown numbers against whocalled.us type telemarketer lists
2) log ALL calls - especially useful to see how many times ppl from 1) have called you if you set it up to show while ringing
3) *MY* ringtones - they don't sell Wagner, Scriabin, Schnittke or death metal on those services - not that I'd want to pay for music I already own.
4) ringback tones
5) advanced blacklisting functionality
6) the ability to have my phone
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-It will work with almost any network in the world that supports a SIM card, including Rogers.
-Applications are free and many applications can already be ported to it.
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"Currently it is not suitable for users. The state of the software at the moment is pre-alpha. If you order a Neo1973, DO NOT expect to be able to use it as an everyday phone."
Nice "phone" you've got there.
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And what did I "favor"... Yeah, I said something negative about one device, but that's it.... I didn't hold some other device on high...
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Hey burning at the stake is still with us. It is just more anonymous and less messy nowadays.
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You have answered the age old quesiton: do you want to post to slashdot, or do you want to CHANGE THE WORLD??? Well, I think in this post you have clearly accomplished both.
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Oh, sorry, I didn't realize you were blind.
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Functional (Score:5, Insightful)
No, the iPhone is a really functional device that sucks a lot less than so many other phones, and fans of dynamic symbolic UI finally have a device that doesn't wimp out in presenting us with a virtual interface. Plus the screen DPI is so high it actually makes reading really small text practical so the screen is much more usable than you would think only from looking at the size in specs.
Furthermore it's also a device with a huge amount of potential, in part from Apple but also in part from hacking. And as we have seen with the Apple TV and other devices, Apple devices are generally hackable and Apple doesn't push back the way Sony or Nintendo or Microsoft do.
I don't quite know if revolution is the right word either, but it sure is a breath of fresh air in a world that until now has been a fetid swamp.
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Yeah, well they fixed that in newer Macs (and by "newer" I mean in the early 90's with OpenFirmware, not 2006 with the Intel switch).
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Yeah, well they fixed that in newer Macs (and by "newer" I mean in the early 90's with OpenFirmware, not 2006 with the Intel switch).
*ahem* First of all, I wouldn't call 1995 "early 90s" (the PowerMac 6200 was the first Mac to ship with OpenFirmware, and was introduced in May of that year). Secondly, I wouldn't call the problem "fixed" on Old World Macs - it wasn't until the release of the iMac in August 1998 that it became simple and easy to boot operating systems other than Mac OS.
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That said, a terminal app on my iPhone? Are you kidding? Hell yes, I'll set it up. It's not so much that it gives me a command line interface, it's that it gives me access to the Unix system in my pocket. Again, if you don't value that and don't get it, it's _fine_, really, but that doesn't mean it's without value to those who understand the value of such a thing.
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PS: Yes, I got a 770 in the recent mass discounting craze. Yes, I love it. Yes, I use it for VOIP over EDGE... making it a phone.
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You've never tried to criticize Window, have you? It's like uttering the word Socialism at a Republican convention! They all break out their shotguns and try to lynch you... it's downright scary.
Now that most of the normal flamewar triggers have been pulled out of the bag can have a rational discussion now?
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Why can't you have both? I hate to be the break it to you but the iPhone is a much better platform hardware wise than the FIC phone that is being sold to developers right now (minus the GPS of course, but even that uses a binary blob currently).
That will always be binary. At least around here things are moving towards mandatory e911 service, and having an easy to hack GPS subsystem would make it somewhat difficult to ensure that the location is accurately reported.
Being able to run code on the iPhone is the first step in getting an open platform like Openmoko out there. So don't discourage others from doing what they like. It's their choice, and they have something to bring to the table as well.
Well, we'll see how well this works out. It still seems odd to go with an iPhone when apple could have created a newer and much improved Newton. A Newton that worked well, with current technology would have been a real success. I mean if the marginal iPod is able to sell the kind of un
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Indeed. I'm a Newton Fan (MP130, MP2k, eMate 300) and anybody who thinks that this is odd must be totally ignorant of Steve Politics - the Newton was not Invented Under Steve, and thus must be discarded.
I do wish that the iPhone were half as useful an organizer as the MP130, but it's not - because Steve wanted a lifestyle device and what Steve wants, Steve gets. But as bitter as I may sound here, Steve is
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