Anomaly Triggers Self-Destruct For SpaceX Falcon 9 Test Flight 113
SpaceMika (867804) writes "A SpaceX test flight at the McGregor test facility ended explosively on Friday afternoon. A test flight of a three-engine Falcon 9 Dev1 reusable rocket ended in a rapid unscheduled disassembly after an unspecified anomaly triggered the Flight Termination System, destroying the rocket. No injuries were reported." Update: 08/23 13:33 GMT by T : Space.com has video.
So it works then? (Score:3, Interesting)
Good on them for making the self-destruct such a high priority!
Re:So it works then? (Score:5, Insightful)
Actually, yes, I'd consider that a major display of responsibility. The very last thing I'd want a rocket to do when it goes out of control is to choose its own place to go kaboom. And yes, even for a manned rocket.
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This really moves SpaceX up in my estimation as well. Until now, I pictured private space flight as focusing only on making profits, not sacrificing dollars in order to protect people around them. Maybe the privatization of space flight has a future after all!
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Do you think this wasn't mandated as part of them getting approval to launch in the first place? If so you're pretty naive.
They do have oversight you know, they don't just get to do whatever they want.
Re:Exactly! (Score:5, Informative)
This really moves SpaceX up in my estimation as well. Until now, I pictured private space flight as focusing only on making profits, not sacrificing dollars in order to protect people around them. Maybe the privatization of space flight has a future after all!
Uhhh, yeah, let me know how well the PR monkey handles explaining to the general public that your loved ones aboard their dream vacation to space were blown up on purpose as a safety measure.
Good luck with that shit.
Manned capsules must have an emergency escape system.
Basically what would happen is explosive bolts would detach the capsule from the rocket and the capsule would fly away under its own power until it's far enough away from the rocket. Then the rocket would self destruct and the capsule would come down to a safe-ish landing either under parachutes or under its own power.
This is nothing new, NASA had this in the 1960's, the Russians [youtube.com] evidently had it in the 1980's. Also the Kerbals, apparently.
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Why would you need luck to survive the escape vehicle separation? It's obviously designed to accelerate at sublethal G forces.
Regarding the challenger disaster: it had no escape possibilities AND the crew telemetry from the challenger showed them as alive until the remnant they were seated in hit the sea.
Re:Exactly! (Score:4, Interesting)
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Not the rear hatch, the hatch. There's just the one on the left side at mid-deck, isn't there? The only other hatch leads to the cargo bay, which you wouldn't want to open in the air.
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Specifically, the space shuttle didn't have a launch escape system.
supposably the Shuttle was meant to be reasonably safe that an escape system is not needed, unfortunately it was not as safe as commercial airliners. Airliners from the 707 to the 380 don't have escape systems, they were designed to safe enough. Of course if the airplane is not that safe, re-design it so it will be. There have been crashes as nothing is absolutely safe. Like ejection seats were never considered for airliners, if you survive the punchout, will you survive the environment which you parachute
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The Gemini ejection seats improved the odds of survival, but about the only thing more risky than using them during a launch incident was not using them. Apollo launch escape was tested on real rocket launches (though not Saturns) and should have worked fine.
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Did anyone ask the commander and pilot about that?
Yes. They were the ones who asked for the seats to be disabled, when they began flying crews of more than two... they didn't like the idea of ejecting and leaving the rest of the crew behind, either.
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Nice pun asshole. Challenger had no ejection system. NASA considered in infeasible to provide ejection capability for 7 people. The commander and pilot could have had an ejection seat system, but the idea of having two crew members escape while the other 5 are left to die was (rightly) unpalatable.
Because Having 7 die was so much better as proven when Columbia exploded on return. NASA was greedy and lazy.
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The only actual, real use of a launch escape system worked fine, other than the cosmonauts having to hide from wolves while they waited to be picked up.
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The Russian Soyuz T-10A mission to the Salyut space station in September 1983 did have a launch pad explosion and the tractor escape system (emergency pull-away rockets on a tower above the Soyuz spacecraft) ignited 2 seconds before the explosion and pulled the spacecraft 2000 meters above the explosion and permitted a safe landing 4 kilometers away. Cosmonauts Titov and Strekalov were unhurt and required no medical attention (Wikipedia). So far, this type of thing has never been used while the rocket's fir
Re:Exactly! (Score:5, Informative)
Look at the top of any manned rocket. see that "mini rocket" looking thing strapped to the top? that's an "escape tower". It IS a mini rocket. if there's a catastrophic faulure on a rocket massive enough to go to the moon, you REALLY don't want it hitting dirt before it explodes. The cabin module separates from the top with explosive bolts, and the escape tower pulls them a distance away from the main rocket and after awhile a parachute goes off.
Probaby still a heck of a close call though, being so close to the rocket when it blows up. But you still have a chance.
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Just pointing out that SpaceX's manned Dragon capsule won't have an escape tower; the launch escape system is a set of eight SuperDraco [spaceflight101.com] thrusters, which will also be used for soft ground landing after normal flights.
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Anything manned that is built by SpaceX will need to have a Range Safety System just like NASA's own manned vehicles did, and it will be under the control of the Range Safety Officer on duty, not by a computer. To prevent loss of life on the ground it must be possible to terminate even a manned flight, and with a human in the loop there is a reasonable chance it will not be unduly triggered. Manned space flight in the US has had its fair share of problems, but trigger-happy RSOs is not one of them. The only
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This really moves SpaceX up in my estimation as well. Until now, I pictured private space flight as focusing only on making profits, not sacrificing dollars in order to protect people around them. Maybe the privatization of space flight has a future after all!
Uhhh, yeah, let me know how well the PR monkey handles explaining to the general public that your loved ones aboard their dream vacation to space were blown up on purpose as a safety measure.
Good luck with that shit.
Funny thing is that your statement is modded negative 1. So obviously no one will give a flying squirrel.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBJ9ue6GKek [youtube.com]
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Who is Elon Musk?
To be blunt, I would have expected otherwise from a private enterprise. To keep the rocket flying as long as it possibly can in the vain hope that it may recover, or to at least get more telemetry, and just hope it doesn't destroy too much when it comes back down.
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little known fact: Googles self-driving cars also have self destruct mechanism
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I agree. I am a big fan of Musk and SpaceX but there is no chance in hell that SpaceX would be developing these systems without self-destruct capability. Might as well praise Google for ensuring their self-driving cars have brakes.
Funny that you would choice that considering Google didn't put them in. http://guardianlv.com/2014/08/... [guardianlv.com]
Google has been developing the world’s first driverless car, though their efforts have been restrained by being forced to add a steering wheel and pedals. Originally, the concept of the car was to be able to drive itself, leaving the person in control of nothing, but a single button to begin their route. The Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) in California has ruled that drivers must have the ability to take control of the vehicle in case the software malfunctions, there is an accident, or an emergency situation presents itself. Dmitri Dolgov, the lead software engineer of this project, admitted that their technology was not perfect, and the cars had the habit of sometimes going over the speed limit. He explained this by stating the driverless cars had the ability to go 10 mph over the speed limit, as opposed to sticking to it to keep up with traffic. Dolgov’s reasoning behind the cars’ ability to exceed the speed limit was to keep up with the traffic, when it is speeding and avoid road rage or cause obstructions in the road.
Deceleration was the braking mechanism Google chose to use.
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Is there no end to the Elon Musk worship on this site? Once again, SpaceX does something perfectly normal and ordinary that's been done for decades and the fawning by corporate shills starts immediately.
What corporate shills? SpaceX is not publicly traded. They're privately held and self-funding from their own profit. What is said about them on random Internet discussion forums has absolutely no affect on their continuing success or failure. They will have to have a satisfactory explanation for the contracts people who have put down heaps of money to buy launches, but none of those conversations will involve random Internet discussion forums.
We're spectators, having a rather short and noncontroversial
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Eeeeexcept that Musk himself tweeted about it as soon as word had spread on internet discussion forums that SpaceX had a loss-of-vehicle.
Why that's definitive proof of something or another!
Re:So it works then? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:So it works then? (Score:4, Insightful)
BREAKING NEWS: Media outlets are biased.
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Good on them for making the self-destruct such a high priority!
First first of all it's mandatory, otherwise they couldn't fly at all. It actually took them some time to get FAA/UASF approval. And when you have tanks full of LOX/RP-1, it's not exactly like they need C4 to blow it up, a glorified radio controlled lighter spark should do it.
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Re:So it works then? (Score:5, Funny)
At least I don't have to ask what you think of Fukushima.
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So all this time we've been calling Elon Musk Ironman, but he's really Heinz Doofenshmirtz.
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This is good to see right now. But if commercial space flight ever became a thing like... say the airline industry (and yes they do have a pretty good track record but it's not amazingly stellar...) than the large companies and number/need of the industry/service would out way and overshadow most peoples individual legal complains.
Most likely people might be compensated by their standard, sorry, we blew up your family, but our rocket was really well insured, package.
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Not with a whimper, but a bang.
Nice to see that "rah rah free market!" is just as meaningless as "for mother Russia!" - every advance is just fallible humans fumbling in the almost-dark, tripping over, picking themsleves up and carrying on. Over and over.
These "rapid unscheduled disassembly" events do not care about free market, or socialized ideology. Kind of has something to do with the massive amount of energy they are trying to barely contain.
Although I think I know where you are going with this - if so, I agree. There are people out there that do seem to think that somehow, privately built rockets are beyond failure, as if the rocket somehow knows what ideology built it.
We should be having private industry building and launching space vehicles -
Things that make you go BOOM (Score:2)
robby rob break it down...
SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid (Score:5, Funny)
Talk about an understatement!
George Carlin would have gone mad about that nugget.
Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid (Score:4, Funny)
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apparently the failed to take into account the double reverse reciprocal nature of improbability physics. for shame.
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disassembly
Implies it can be reassembled again.
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Well, all the atoms are still around, so reassembly might require a bit of work, but is definitely possible.
Falcon 9 Dev1 reusable rocket (Score:2)
what does auto-termination mean? (Score:1)
Re:what does auto-termination mean? (Score:5, Interesting)
That's pretty much it. The on-board computers detected that the rockets attitude or location was out of limits, so it triggered some explosive detcord fixed against the fuel and lox tanks, tearing them open, so that the rocket safely disintegrates.
I notice from the video that the destruction is done in a way that doesn't mix the LOX and fuel together - you can see the Cold Lox falling away and the ignited cloud of burning RP1 floating higher. Really nice bit of design I hadn't thought of.
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the rockets attitude or location was out of limits
Damn those rockets with out of limits attitude, wearing sunglasses at night, paying no respect to public property, traffic laws or law enforcement in general, just because they're on a mission from NASA!
No, wait...
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That's sort of what I thought, too... (Score:2)
But he may have been just making a joke, so I gave him the benefit of the doubt.
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Unspecified anomaly? (Score:2)
Was it a wormholr? A cloaked Romulan ship?
We'd better scan the area thoroughly before sending anything else up.
With pinky to my lips (Score:2)
Better video (Score:1)
There is a better video here [youtube.com].
Government Lawsuit? (Score:2)
SpaceX has been suing the government to be able to bid on launching military satellites. Will this hurt their chances of getting access to that market?
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Unlikely. The full Falcon 9 has a good track record so far. Few rocket programs don't have at least one or two explosions along the way (and some have many more).
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Hey, it's the anti-SpaceX nutter! How've you been?
Re:Government Lawsuit? (Score:4, Insightful)
This was a modified Falcon 9 first stage with only 3 engines and no second stage, put together as a testbed for developing the landing capabilities. It launches off support blocks on a concrete foundation instead of a full launch pad, does various maneuvers, and lands on bare concrete right next to the launch site.
It wasn't an orbital launch of a standard vehicle, it was a test flight with heavily modified experimental hardware and software operating under rather unusual conditions, so it really shouldn't impact other things like their attempts to compete for military launches...the actual Falcon 9 launches have actually all gone without losing a single vehicle, though there have been some minor failures and one somewhat exciting unplanned demonstration of the engine-out capability. Attempting to hold tests to the same standards as launches would be quite foolish, deterring companies from performing those tests...definitely not the desired outcome.
Both CopSub and Spacex? (Score:2)
So that's both CopSub and SpaceX having a boo-boo thing month - coinkidink?
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It's not marketspeak, it's an old rocket scientist joke.
Charlton Heston comments (Score:2)
YOU MANIACS! YOU BLEW IT UP! OH, DAMN YOU! GODDAMN YOU ALL TO HELL!
(this text brought to you by the Lameness filter, which wishes to remind you that using too many caps is like yelling)
Anomaly? (Score:1)
Q: Did a black hole appear inside the rocket housing during flight?
A: No
Q: Did Earths gravimetric field temporally invert?
A: No
Then its not an Anomaly.
Its more likely a software bug with the termination system, or, faulty internal sensors which triggered it. ;)
Sigh.... It aint rocket science!
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Something that deviates from what is standard, normal, or expected.
I'd say a rocket exploding for no good reason is definitely a bug, but also pretty freaking unexpected.
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Seriously, slashdot, wtf? It's 2014, you're nominally a tech site for geeks, and you still don't support unicode characters? That should be a basic requirement of all websites at this point.
MacGyver (Score:2)
Anyone else read this as the "MacGyver" test facility?
I like my version better.
Re:Fanboys, (Score:4, Funny)
Because unlike your life they're doing something interesting.
Re:Fanboys, (Score:4, Funny)
I'm boning your mom, is that interesting enough for you?
It is for me, she's ashes in an urn over my fireplace.
Would you like a damp washcloth?
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1. It didn't blow up, it was blown up for safety reasons.
2. Other than the common hardware, this is entirely unrelated to actual satellite launches, it's a test system for landing tests. If it shows up a problem with the engines, which are the same, then all the better: they can fix it now instead of fixing it after they lose a payload on a real launch.
3. No-one else has done what SpaceX are doing with a real, operational rocket before. This actually is rocket science (or, at least, rocket engineering).
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3. No-one else has done what SpaceX are doing with a real, operational rocket before. This actually is rocket science (or, at least, rocket engineering).
Except for NASA, 40-50 years ago. Reusable rockets certainly aren't new. This method isn't new. Electronics have made it far easier and more reliable, but they haven't invented shit.
SpaceX isn't doing ANYTHING new at this point, they are riding on the coat tails of work done by agencies like NASA, JAXA, Russia and the EU's space programs.
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Why is every single thing that Space X and Tesla does posted on Slashdot?
Because /. IS news for Nerds and Space X & Tesla are involved in nerdy things.
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Another way to put that is: "Why is it that Tesla and SpaceX are so disproportionately doing things worthy of the News for Nerds title?"
Imagine if there was some competition for cool new science in the consumer space.
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The video was captured by an onlooker. Because of the noise, SpaceX has to publish when tests happen, so fans know when to head to one of a couple of areas to watch and record them.