Ikea Unveils Furniture That Charges Your Smartphone Wirelessly 95
pbahra writes Swedish furniture maker Ikea unveiled a new range of furniture that it says can wirelessly charge some mobile devices. The Swedish furniture giant made the announcement on Sunday at Mobile World Congress in Barcelona. Ikea's introduction of wireless charging functionality on some of its new furniture heats up the battle for a global wireless charging standard, of which there are currently three, all struggling to become the global leader.
Obligatory (Score:4, Funny)
http://xkcd.com/927/ [xkcd.com]
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It may not add one, but still...
HEADLINE: IKEA MAKES ELECTRIC CHAIR (Score:3, Funny)
Alabama and Oklahoma have orgasm.
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In fact one of the competitors has already agreed to become Qi compatible, so basically given up and started concentrating on just delivering turn-key solutions rather than its own standard that no-one uses.
Qi is the only one anyone uses or cares about. The others had the dubious "advantage" of requiring a two-way link between the charger and device, exchanging serial numbers and other data. The public justification was to allow charging money for the service, but it was marketed to business as a way to tra
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There might be three standards, but if the article is to be believed they aren't exactly competing.
One (Qi) is supported by several major handset manufactorers. Another is in bed with Starbucks (USA?). The third doesn't even get a mention beyond that it exists. Given that Starbuck's products don't need wireless charging it would seem any war has already been won by Qi.
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Not everyone is 70+ years old and not everyone has worked in multiple scientific fields. For some of us, some of the jokes are still new and funny.
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I LOVE your similitude! I'm using it everywhere, from now on.
"Cheerios? Man, that is the "Thomas Kincade" of breakfast cereals."
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I thought they used to be funny during the first years, but XKCD jumped the shark a couple of years ago. It used to be geeky humor, now it's kind of just random science themed cartoons. Not very funny or clever like they used to be, IMO.
Anyway, I go there every Monday, Wednesday and Friday just because they link to the Perry Bible Fellowship cartoons, which is way funnier. I would just bookmark Perry Bible Fellowship. But for some perverse reason, I always check out xkcd to see if it ever got back to it'
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Can anyone explain to me the appeal of xkcd comics? A lot of people think they're great, but I don't see why.
The joke is never funny if someone has to explain it to you, you'll just have to continue going through life wondering why people find it funny. And some people will never understand what *you* think is funny.
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Can anyone explain to me the appeal of xkcd comics? A lot of people think they're great, but I don't see why.
Regarding "Marmaduke", I seem to remember Chris Rock or somebody once saying, "The dog is big. We get it". I used to love "Peanuts" when I was a kid, but as I got older, it's became hard when I saw those to even know what the joke was supposed to be. (Yes, a few things do get harder as you get older.) So, we should let the kids here enjoy these things while they still can.
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Others are just plain unoriginal observations. The one you linked to is a good example of this.
That's why you can quote them on so many occasions.
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On the other hand, a hacker who actually gave her child a SQL injection as legal name... now that's some funny shit right there !
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QI chargers, already used across the Nexus line, and I _think_ some Samsung phones?
Im personally happy, since all my phones/tablet support Qi.
Let me guess the name of the line (Score:2)
Re: Let me guess the name of the line (Score:2)
Nokaard (with two dots over the o).
Maybe just 'Discard ' - at least the electronics will fail about the same time as the joinery.
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You get what you pay for with IKEA. In fact, if you compare their stuff to similarly priced stuff you get a lot more than you pay for.
You can buy real wood furniture from them and it lasts far longer. It's not even that much more expensive. Especially if you cheat and glue the pieces in addition to screwing them together with the included stuff. The main disadvantage to gluing is that you can't take it apart to move it but you can't do that too often anyway.
Old IKEA furniture can often have a new lease on l
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Just be careful when assembling particleboard furniture with gorilla glue (aka polyurethane glue) ... it will NEVER come apart. You will need to smash the particleboard itself if you ever want to break it down as the glue is far stronger than the wood.
What this means is...if you build it and it does't sit perfectly flat while the glue cures then your furniture will forever be wonky and crooked. I'm careful when I build and have ikea furniture that's lasted close to a decade through 5 or 6 moves without an
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Just be careful when assembling particleboard furniture with gorilla glue (aka polyurethane glue) ... it will NEVER come apart. You will need to smash the particleboard itself if you ever want to break it down as the glue is far stronger than the wood.
Indeed. polyurethane glue is just for a second lease on life. As with most wood glues it is stronger than the particle board.
What this means is...if you build it and it does't sit perfectly flat while the glue cures then your furniture will forever be wonky and crooked. I'm careful when I build and have ikea furniture that's lasted close to a decade through 5 or 6 moves without anything coming loose.
Good point. Having said that, I haven't had an IKEA thing being wonky. Even those given a second lease on life. May be just luck, may be that I take my time when assembling them.
Oh, and good luck if get it on your hands of clothes *sigh*
Hands: it forms a hard coating on your skin. That coating will come off because it isn't as flexible as your skin. You'll be shedding it for a day or two.
Washing doesn't help. Anything I know of that dissolves
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The most important thing to remember is the back cardboard thing that closed the shelves and stuff is not a purely decorative item. It is not for aestherics. This provides the torsional rigidity needed to keep the shelf square. Make sure it is maintained right. The nails go into the soft exposed particle board and comes loose. Make sure it is nailed back in.
Get some 1inch x 1 inch steel L clams and lots of M5 or M6 nuts a
Re:Obligatory, #2: Laws of Physics (Score:5, Informative)
Translation #3, you don't know about the QI charging standard.
It has a command channel for the device to let the charger know it should be charged.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qi_%28inductive_power_standard%29
I strongly disagree. (Score:2)
A few days ago, at a store called Dollar Tree, I bought a Charge and Sync dock for $1. [dollartree.com] Wouldn't a dock be better than buying cheap-looking Ikea furniture, especially since the convenience is minimal or non-existent?
Who would EVER put an expensive phone flat on a table??? That's asking for trouble. It's easy to kn
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Who would EVER put an expensive phone flat on a table???
No, I always balance mine on its edge. That's assuming there aren't any kids running around, otherwise I leave it on the floor. Idiot.
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I leave mine in the aquarium, safely out of reach from the kids.
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Me too! http://www.reddit.com/r/funny/... [reddit.com]
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If there is a failure of the "command channel" in the table, everything I said is correct.
(not only because it's complete nonsense) /. forever. Thanks.
Please quit posting on
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I strongly disagree. The whole idea is nonsense. If there is a failure of the "command channel" in the table, everything I said is correct.
LOL....and if there's ever a failure of the laws of physical, this paper cup on my desk could set off a thermonuclear chain reaction wiping out half of the united states. But why don't we just stick to what's likely to happen.
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Pro-tip, when you make an erroneous and asinine statement (which we all do from time to time), and someone calls you out on it, be humble, bow your head and admit it, or remain silent.
Following the refutation with random stupidity makes you look even worse.
Competent? Buy a table to charge a phone? (Score:2)
Would you buy an Ikea table because you want to charge a phone? The question makes me laugh.
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It's worth noting though that the channel is unidirectional and not used for evil like the comms in the other two standards.
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And the thing wrong in your post which others have not already pointed out is that many phones come with the ability to add a wireless coil of choice already, even older phones like the 3 generations old Galaxy S3 which has a pair of contacts right above the battery. That isn't even taking into account phones like the HTC One which has had wireless charging since its early models.
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Palm Pre beat them all years ago. I dont understand why it has taken so long for everyone else to offer it.
Probably because wireless charging sounds like the best thing ever, but in fact is more restrictive than those awful plug-in paraphanelia.
I have these visions of people placing their Ikea chair in their car so they can charge their phones wirelessly. It ends up being a third thing you have to charge your phone.
So unless you never go out of Mom's basement you will need a wall charger, a car charger, and now a wireless charger.
The principles of wireless charging are simple, and could be implemented d
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Palm Pre beat them all years ago. I dont understand why it has taken so long for everyone else to offer it.
Because until wireless charging actually is widely available, you can't just use a cable to charge your phone - you need an expensive cable with extra electronics to do so. Rather pointless, unless you want to go completely sealed for a water proof device. Until this happens, support for it in phones is a pointless gimmick. Ikea's move is one of the best things I've heard for the future of wireless charging.
Skeptical (Score:2)
Would you buy that Ikea table so that you could use it to charge a phone?
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And paid huge amounts for it including the 2-year contract.
There are a lot of phones which are cheap, without subsidy:
* Moto G and Nexus 5
* Anything from Oppo
* Anything from One Plus
* Anything from Xiaomi
* Most of the Lumias
Many of those support Qi (I know for a fact that the Google ones and the Lumias do). I also know for a fact that T-Mobile doesnt require any sort of contract for phones, and that most carriers couldnt care less if you brought a new phone on-board.
Finally, for those who dont want to replace the phone, ther
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Translation #1: There is a coil in the table. There is a coil in the back of the phone. The 2 coils act as a transformer with an air core. That only works if you bought a new phone. (And paid huge amounts for it including the 2-year contract.)
Heck, you're right. It's not quite the equivalent of POE for WiFi :-(
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No, I'm not connected yet. I'm at step 8 of the assembly instruction...
Furniture with Google Wallet support? (Score:1)
Butt Cancer (Score:1)
Does sitting on a superfluous electromagnetic field for eight or more hours a day really a good idea?
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You do that already. Unless you spend your days in a Faraday cage in the dark.
You do KNOW that light is part of the electromagnetic spectrum right ?
Not to mention the fact that the earth itself generates a massive magnetic field ? You are aware that this magnetic field is actually electromagnetic right ?
You may as well ask if it's "really a good idea to spend 8 hours a day at the bottom of a large gravity well".
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You may as well ask if it's "really a good idea to spend 8 hours a day at the bottom of a large gravity well".
Oh gawd - now you did it. As if we didn't have enough to worry about. We must eliminate this gravity substance.
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Does sitting on a superfluous electromagnetic field for eight or more hours a day really a good idea?
Probably not. I'd be more concerned about the effects of spending that much time sitting on me arse.
Wasteful? (Score:2)
I'd like to see some figures on the amount of energy lost when these devices aren't being used. Then to compare them to the energy wasted by wall transformers when they are idle.
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The coil of wire is resistive so there will be heat as long as there is a current according to ohms law and the power formula. E = I x R and P = E x I.
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Energy can only escape through heat. Unless the table gets warm, there is no loss.
You must be the guy who posts those perpetual motion videos on Youtube.
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This is a good thing. I'm glad to see that there are engineers who think better than my assumption of just plain induction coils.
Thanks.
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In the Qi system, the transformer isn't energized unless a compatible device is present.
So there is something using power while it is constantly searching for a device, right?
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Although you can get up into the 80% range (short distance between emitter and receiver, good axial alignment, well-tuned resonance frequencies, and proper shielding), you are more likely to be in the 50-75% efficiency range. That's for the inductive portion; there is also a loss in converting the 120/220V power from the wall. [I sp
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Well, to quote the summary: "Ikea's introduction of wireless charging functionality on some of its new furniture heats up the battle for a global wireless charging standard"
Although you can get up into the 80% range (short distance between emitter and receiver, good axial alignment, well-tuned resonance frequencies, and proper shielding), you are more likely to be in the 50-75% efficiency range. That's for the inductive portion; there is also a loss in converting the 120/220V power from the wall. [I speak from professional experience developing a Qi-charged medical device. It was a good solution for the problem, as it allowed the case to be fully sealed, but turned me off the idea of using it for everything that needs charging.] For 5-10 W of actual charge power in the device, your losses from grid to device will be close to that amount This is about as bad as the 50-60 Hz wall wart transformers that we have recently gotten away from.
My phone battery has around 8 watt-hours of capacity. Round it up to 10 watt-hours, and that's around 3.6KWh/year to charge my phone every day, so even if I'm wasting another 3.6KWh/year, that's only costing me around 50 cents/year of electricity, which is well worth the convenience of just putting my phone on the side table when I go to bed and not having to fumble with wires in the dark to connect it to a charger.
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Ikea Karlstad couches designed by idiots! (Score:2)
Can't vouch for Ikea's new couches, but their Karlstad line was designed by idiots. 99% of the skeleton of the couch is made out of real wood (pine I think), EXCEPT the parts that hold the legs, where most of the stress occurs, which are made out of particle board.
Ikea is designed for cheapness. (Score:1)
Always has been. And it's been getting 'worse', given the economic realities of the world.
If you're looking for quality, long-lasting furniture and you're in an Ikea, you're doing it so very, very wrong.
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I don't know what
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In any case, if something breaks in normal use, email IKEA. They have a customer service that works. At the very least they can mail you broken parts.
And spare parts are available even years after you bought the cabinet. That's what I like about IKEA. Their stuff is custumizable and even after years I can get teh stuff that I need to extend or reconfigure my wardrobe. And about durability.... check the uproar that their announced change in Expedit caused. That thing seems to be the only shelv that could be loaded fully with records (or a fish tank) without bending. (Compared to more expensive and more sturdy looking stuff)
On the other hand, I have to agr
Ikea naming convention (Score:2)
Elchock
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RTFA.
That's why they're starting including those charging devices into lamps.
Bad move Ikea - should gone A4WP / Rezence (Score:2)
A4WP and PMA have merged [rezence.com] to form Rezence [rezence.com], which should become the prevailing standard as it's better technology than Qi. So it's really too bad that Ikea is supporting WPC - which will probably not emerge as the winning standard. Ikea can always make next year's furniture with Rezence, but it's not clear first gen customers that got Qi would be able to upgrade. Also the article is misleading in that it suggests Samsung is completely in the WPC camp when they are also involved with and helped found A4WP (Rez
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A wireless standard that nobody integrates is not that useful. Qi is on a lot of devices now, the low end supports 5w of power and medium 120w. People are already hacking qi charging stations into their keyboards and desks. You can add qi charging into nearly anything with a USB port and a flat space.
Now that said something in the 10-20w range would be nice.
The competitors standard relies on bluetooth and thus generally the ability to communicate with the device CPU. Do you trust a random wireless chargi
In related news.... (Score:2)
Ikea proudly announces the first induction-heating sofa.
Goodness, gracious, (Score:1)
Great balls of fire.
Just one issue (Score:2)
When the furniture comes from Ikea, you have to solder the components of the power controller together yourself.
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... using a small hex wrench.
Cool idea (Score:1)
Question: Does it work when the lamp etc is turned off (but plugged in)
Also, I really hope they come up with a better design, because while the feature may be desirable, the lamps are butt-ugly!