iTunes Stops Working For Windows XP Users 368
An anonymous reader writes: iTunes users who still run Windows XP started to experience connectivity issues this week. As documented in an Apple Support Communities thread, they can't log into the iTunes store, meaning functions like buying content, watching already purchased movies and TV shows, playing DRM-protected content, backing up, updating, and syncing all do not work.
Glorious Benefits of Cloud Computing + DRM (Score:5, Insightful)
This is precisely why you should never OWN your digital content, but rather LEASE it from trustworthy companies like Apple... Oh wait! =)
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And nothing of value was lost . . .
Re:Glorious Benefits of Cloud Computing + DRM (Score:4, Funny)
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If you can't copy it to a Linux box and play it with something other than iTunes then you don't really own it.
Apple sells a lot of that kind of stuff. If you're not aware, then perhaps you're stuck in 2003 and aren't aware of the newer things they are doing these days.
Even with the lastest and best supported Apple brand software and hardware, it can glitch while trying to phone home. DRM fail equals playback fail.
In other news... (Score:5, Insightful)
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iTunes continues to work horribly for ALL other Windows operating systems...
Are there any reasons someone would have to use iTunes still? I've only ever done alternative media players/stores.
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iTunes is very convenient for playing all of my movie content from the DVD's I have ripped on my Apple TV.
Dump videos into iTunes. Organize them the way you want them. Play the movies smoothly off of the Apple TV pulling content from iTunes home sharing.
Very simple.
Glassy Smooth.
Brainless functionality for my kids and my wife.
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It seems that since iTunes is a conduit through which people organize and utilize content from Apple, the software would be a priority since how users experience the content is important in creating more users.
Making iTunes cumbersome or poorly functioning would seem to be directly a threat to the money flow.
Pirating: it's the better product. (Score:2, Troll)
From TFA: playing DRM-protected content ... [does] not work.
Did that ever happen to anyone who downloaded something from the Pirate Bay?
This is the thing with piracy it is in a wide variety of ways a better product. So they're not competing with "free" they're competing with "free AND better". Even if they make it free, people STILL go to TPB. I found it easier to get stuff off TPB than I did from 4 on demand.
So I went there even though I'd paid my TV license becuase the streaming crap was flakey.
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No. I'm sure that nobody ever got anything that wasn't a perfect copy of the show from the Pirate Bay. They never got viruses, malware, fakes or any other bad thing. Only perfect episodes every single time.
Viruses and malware from videos?
It's not like you get perfect copies off streaming services because they have to run at the speed of your in...buffering...ternet connection. I can leisurely download HD things from TPB overnight.
In a large number of ways TPB is better. All the shows in one place. Good sear
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With a need to mask your ip of course.
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That said, the same thing can happen to pirated content. You hard disk can crash, the file can corrupt, the content can be taken down. If you have good backups you are ok, but in my experience backing up terabytes worth of content is non trivial.
It is convenient have your licensed content on the cloud. It off course is a
XP is Dead! (Score:2)
Long live XP!
Hail to the king!
It's not about the cost, it's about convenience (Score:4, Insightful)
As the anti-piracy crap is going by, and then the mandatory previews, I say to myself "If I had only pirated this, I'd already be watching the movie."
Whenever I go to itunes store, I say to myself "this would be so much easier to pirate than to buy. Less time, and I'd already be listening."
It's not about the cost. It's about the convenience.
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It's not about the cost. It's about the convenience.
So after you conveniently download it from TPB, how do you go about paying the people whose music you downloaded? I hate waiting in Best Buy checkout lines, it's very inconvenient. But I don't think it justifies just walking out of the store with my CD.
Re:It's not about the cost, it's about convenience (Score:4, Interesting)
So my wife says, "Can you buy me this song?"
So I go to my computer and open my Windows Virtual Machine.
And I start Itunes.
And it tells me that since I haven't used Itunes in months, I need to update iTunes to the latest version. So I do.
And then I find the song.
And I buy it.
And download it.
And then since my wife wants it for her mp3 player, not for an apple device, I need to run it through SoundConversion.
And then I can put it on media and give it to my wife to use.
Or, I could go to TPB or KAT and download the album, already in mp3 format.
Yeah. Same amount of work.
Re:It's not about the cost, it's about convenience (Score:5, Insightful)
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And then since my wife wants it for her mp3 player, not for an apple device, I need to run it through SoundConversion.
How old is her MP3 player? I would assume it supports AAC (which is iTunes' .m4a format), unless it's ancient or was very cheap.
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Unsupported obsolete OS (Score:5, Informative)
To be fair, Apple supported XP longer than Microsoft did. Microsoft has already stated that if you choose to continue using XP, you do so at your own risk. That not only means potential exposure to malware, but also the distinct possibility that third party stuff may at any time stop working. I don't see this a fault of Apple in any way whatsoever.
Re:Unsupported obsolete OS (Score:5, Interesting)
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This. XP is dead, get on with the times, especially something like iTunes where the old excuse of corporate software forcing you to stay on XP most certainly doesn't apply since it's strictly a consumer application.
We keep an XP machine around solely to run iTurds, because we could never get it to work in Wine.
So you're saying I should have to go and pay Microsoft for that Window 8 crap just so my girlfriend can continue to load music on her iPod?
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I can install the most recent Windows on Apple computers which Apple won't let you install fairly recent OSX versions on...
Windows 8.1 and Server 2012 R2 on a 2006 Mac Pro, which Apple dropped support for years ago and infact blocks you from trying to install Mavericks on.
At least one can say XP was supported for far longer than the 2006 Mac Pro was.
What?! (Score:5, Funny)
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I get some Sql dll error every time I boot up windows 7. There's a fix to it, but it keeps happening. I hate iTunes. I only use it now if I need to backup my idevices or reinstall firmware. It's library management sucks. Check boxes? Copy the whole thing by default? Why can I drag and drop like Winamp when it was in its prime.
Connectivity issues? (Score:2)
Funnily enough, the iPod which did not work as a removable HD is the thing that made me switch away from apple, some 12 years ago.
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Funnily enough, the iPod which did not work as a removable HD is the thing that made me switch away from apple, some 12 years ago.
Funnily enough the iPod has had disk mode [apple.com] for about 12 years. They must have enabled it right after you switched away...
Might want to check your facts (Score:2)
Funnily enough, the iPod which did not work as a removable HD is the thing that made me switch away from apple, some 12 years ago.
Just throwing this out there but you might want to actually check your facts before saying something publicly that can be shown to be completely false by spending 10 seconds on Google's search engine.
You've been able to use iPods as removable hard drives as far back as I can remember. I've done it myself.
Legacy Support (Score:2)
Providing legacy support is in the best interests of Apple and content providers because there are still a large number of users out there with older systems who will buy content if they can easily access it. Making it hard or impossible is a hurdle that kills the sale and encourages piracy. Legacy support makes cents.
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I doubt that. Apple doesn't make all that much from content in the first place. What percentage of content do you think the bottom 16% purchases? I'd be shocked if it is even 1% at this point. The cost of support, especially in terms of a distraction factor in a company structured to only support a small numbers of products, could easily exceed the value.
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Legacy support makes cents.
And Apple chases dollars.
Anyone with DRM protected content? (Score:2)
Anyone here who has actually listened to or viewed DRM protected content from Apple on Windows XP in the last year?
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The movies are still DRMed.
Already fixed - follow the linked community thread (Score:5, Informative)
Self-hatred (Score:2)
people still buy protected content from itunes? (Score:3)
I think I have about six songs in itunes that are in "protected AAC" format, as I stopped buying stuff in that format early on, as soon as I realized the limitations. I still have a (gen3) ipod in the truck but the sound system in the other car and in the motorcycle understand thumb drives, and once you have that why the heck would you use an ipod? Most phones these days will play music and have removable storage -- why would you carry an extra device?
Once you realize that only Apple products will play "protected AAC" files, why the heck would you buy content in that format?
I guess the point I'm making is that if you lost access to content you paid for because itunes no longer supports your OS, this might be a good time to at least re-evaluate how you purchase content. If you must use itunes, it'll rip CDs just fine, and used CDs are available, often for a pittance, at Amazon and other places.
I can't believe in 2015 we're still saying "just say no to DRM content". That question should have been settled a long time ago.
Re: Figures (Score:2, Insightful)
This could be related to encryption ciphers not supporter with xp.
As in that they disabled the one xp support
makes sense, my osX 10.5 died about that time (Score:3)
so I just moved iTunes to the windows laptop and will have to re-rip the material not bought on the iStore. my iPod mini's third battery is about gone, so I'm picking up a Shuffle on the way home from work.
you know, it's funny, shit dies. my Atwater Kent 20C works, but the newer stuff dies.
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This.
You can't have an app that uses secure SSL/TLS protocols on XP SP2 or older. It likely won't be long until the same applies to SP3 (i.e. if they disable TLS1.0 - a good idea).
I suppose they could write their own TLS stack into the iTunes product for XP, but that just seems overkill. If an app relies on the system-wide security libraries then you are out of luck supporting this (officially unsupported) OS.
I have no clue if this is the problem at hand but it's a good candidate.
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I find it odd that there isn't a well known man in the middle SSL-> TLS 1.2 proxy for XP that can fake things enough to work for most programs.
The entire XP TCP/IP stack can be replaced and there are replacement WINSOCK versions for XP.
With the large number of programs that talk to specific hardware that simply won't run on anythign newer than XP, combined with how many machines are still functional for their users, it will be around for a very long time. Remember that Microsoft has only dropped free su
Re: Figures (Score:3, Insightful)
It seems unlikely that development support of XP is more costly than the revenue generated by XP users. And Apple has plenty of cash. But this may still be shrewd - let's see if there's a bump in Mac sales this quarter. These users represent existing Apple customers running an OS that Microsoft abandoned. They don't need to know about how fast Apple abandons hardware, but to be fair Apple does upgrades pretty nicely. They can blame MS and gain the customer, all by hosing said customer. Devious and cl
Re: Figures (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes, because I am very anxious to buy more shit from the company that just locked me out of content I purchased from them prior with a forced upgrade.
Oh wait...
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Not entirely true.
I don't use iTunes. I use surplus Windows XP machines to host security cameras around the house.
I still get updates for my Windows XP machines. I applied a registry hack [networkworld.com] that makes them appear to be embedded machines, like an ATM or stuff.
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I saw that.
It's bullshit. I've been dealing with Microsoft since they were born and they are the worst source of information regarding practices that hit their bottom line.
Windows XP enjoys second place in market share for operating systems.
Microsoft is motivated to:
1.) Supply embedded machines with updates
2.) Convince those people to buy new stuff.
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If you're going to mandate that everybody upgrade, then cough up the cash. I have no reason to trash a perfectly functional machine.
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That's bullshit. I can keep a working system imaged. So, it's basically screw you. My system works. It's clean. I don't need any damn upgrade. I don't use iTunes.
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People still on Windows XP would be terrible Apple customers. Mostly:
1) They are cheap.
2) They have basic needs
3) Quality of hardware and software doesn't matter much to them. They likely don't care about thin and light.
4) They don't like change.
5) As much as they care they like the Windows pre-Aero interface.
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And re #5, OSX is as close as they're going to get to that if they have to move away from XP.
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The New MacBook is a very expensive laptop for the performance that makes tremendous sacrifices to achieve an almost unparalleled degree of thin and light. That is a luxury good. I'd say this very much like the MacBook Air in 2008, an extremely expensive laptop designed for people with light needs who are willing to spend a lot for thin and light. Given Apple's history I'd assume overtime that the performance of the MacBook becomes comparable to the Air (i.e. they can mostly compensate for the lost pou
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People still on XP are not buying a $1300-2k laptop, when there are laptops available for $300 with better performance / storage / features.
Unless they care about point #5.
But you still seem to have missed my point. There really is no market for the new MacBook. You're absolutely right that there are better machines available for 1/4 the price. E
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And that has precisely what to do with the point I was countering? It's a basic needs machine. Yes, it's a luxury item, so we'll call it a luxury basic needs machine, but it's still a basic needs machine, plain and simple. You didn't even attempt to argue, you only agreed with me without realizing it.
People still on XP are not buying a $1300-2k laptop, when there are laptops available for $300 with better performance / storage / features.
Unless they care about point #5.
But you still seem to have missed my point. There really is no market for the new MacBook. You're absolutely right that there are better machines available for 1/4 the price. Even people who buy luxury for the sake of luxury aren't complete morons and they'll seldom pay more than 2x the price of the "common person's" equivalent version of something, so this isn't even targeted at that crowd. It's the absolute most basic of basic needs machines, coming to you at a mobile workstation price; I'm too lazy to search out sales figures for it, but I'd be surprised if they've covered R&D at this point.
It isn't a basic needs laptop. It is a specialized needs laptop: a customer who needs the absolute minimum amount of weight and thin. As for OSX being closer to Windows XP than Windows 8, I'd say that's not true.
There is nothing like this. There is nothing at 2lbs that offers anywhere n
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As for sales figures. Apple is currently 6 weeks backordered on the new MacBook. They've sold every laptop they can make for the very least all through this quarter.
You know, there are no numbers in your statement. Maybe it's more they're limiting how many they make in order to make it seem like they're selling more. It's not like they've ever done that before, or anything, right?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not poking and prodding at Apple out of hatred, I'm doing so because, as an Apple user, I want them to succeed, but I also want them to keep going in a direction that is useful to me. As I see them shifting in a direction that is anything but, I prod them back in the
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No mostly (or ever) they haven't done that before. That would be stupidly expensive for almost no benefit. The numbers will be out in July. Apple is going to want April-June sales to be high not low when they release numbers.
As for hatred, I don't think your comments sounded like you are hating Apple. I just don't think you understand
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New MacBook?? [apple.com]
Is... is that what you're talking about? $1300 for at best a 1.3 GHZ dual-core Intel M (I don't care about "turbo" freq)? Dell has a comparable one for $200 and that gets you a 2.5 GHz dual-core Celeron at worst. The Dell is what fills options 1,2, and 3 above. The Mac breaks 1 & 3. 4 & 5 can most likely be fixed for another $100-400 to pay someone to either rip out 8.1 or skin it to look like XP. You're right in that Apple is Targeting the basic need user. But they're not targ
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Re: Figures (Score:5, Interesting)
Well, Apple knows how many XP users use iTunes. They know how much those XP users spend and can easily determine if they're just a tiny fraction of those using Vista or later, or significant enough to continue supporting them. Apple has all that data.
And I've seen it too as my main machine is XP. I'd love to upgrade it if I had the cash (I do have a Win 7 machine used for other purposes so I'm not SOL). Thing is, iTunes still does work, it's just crapping out randomly a bit more than usual - Monday was plagued with the inability to log in (but closing and restarting iTunes several times fixed it), and app updates seem to be an on and off thing (mostly off).
And how fast Apple abandons hardware? Maybe for iOS where you get 50% more support time than the main competition (at least in cases where you get supported updates). Macs that can run Yosemite date back to 2010 or so.
Apple though, does abandon older software a lot faster - they only do support the last two versions of OS X and iOS in general.
Here's the thing - iTunes runs on a virtual version of OS X - one of the reasons it's so big is that it brings with it a bunch of OS X libraries adapted for Windows. Things like ciphers and SSL and all that, Apple already has ported versions of the OS X libraries for that they update - it doesn't use the OS libraries for it.
And in fact, there's nothing wrong with iTunes itself - my version of iTunes worked perfectly until the past week or so - and no, I didn't install any new version of iTunes. So Apple changed something that broke iTunes on its end because iTunes worked before and it wasn't changed
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If they are too cheap to upgrade from XP they won't be shelling out for a new Mac. Vista came out in 2007, so their computers must be at least 7-8 years old, and probably older.
Re:Figures (Score:5, Interesting)
This may well have less to do with Apple being mean and cutting off XP users from their fix and more with Apple dropping support for ciphers that are anything but secure anymore, with XP simply not supporting the more current ciphers with better algorithms and more robustness (like forward secrecy). If they didn't, the rant would not go away but simply shift to "Apple's sloppy handling of security puts your content at risk".
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the rant would not go away but simply shift to "Apple's sloppy handling of security puts your content at risk".
You mean people would be furious Apple is not making sure nobody else can listen to the songs they have bought? Whenever someone is ranting about a particularly "bad DRM" they sure as hell don't mean it is not secure enough.
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That's a distinction without a difference.
When people buy stuff from you that requires "phoning home", no one should let you off the hook for dropping "legacy support". People whine about things like "support" but this isn't a computing frame of reference here. This is consumer media.
The idea that your copy of the White Album suddenly stops working should not be tolerated.
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And sometimes, even on a more modern OS, Apple's stuff can fail for no obvious reason.
I recently swapped out my Vista box for Windows 8 (yeah, yeah, whatever) .. on both platforms I had the problem of getting an HTTP Error when trying to lookup tracks to rip the CD. No fix can be found for this which I can identify as working.
I gave up and busted out the evil Windows Media Player to rip a bunch of CDs I'd bought .. and then magically iTunes started being able to look up track names. How this could work, I
Re: Figures (Score:5, Insightful)
Apple updated their services to exclude those clients, probably to fix an SSL exploit by turning off older SSL protocols for all clients. If Apple really wanted to, they could have left that version of SSL running only for XP clients and updated iTunes to not use that protocol on any non-XP OS, but they didn't. Poor customer service if you ask me.
The services fail intermittently, which means they still work intermittently. That strongly implies that this wasn't an intentional change by Apple, but instead is a bug introduced with some other change. Said bug was likely not caught, in my opinion, due to limited access to test equipment running XP. Apple, like my employer, likely has IT policies that exclude XP machines from the common intranet, and it's a hassle to set up, maintain, and access the separate XP test lab. A bug that only occurs when an XP machine tries to access an online service is exactly the kind that would be missed by such a test farm setup.
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If you leave insecure connections open for XP clients, you are leaving insecure connections open for anyone as it's likely trivial for the client to say "Yeah, i'm using XP honest, gimme the insecure shit so I can hack away"
Even if you do find a way to leave the insecure protocols in place, it won't do much help as when TLS certificates expire from now onwards, you need to replace them with SHA-2 certificates (The main certificate vendors will no longer create SHA-1 certs for you going forwards). Good luck
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So do you use iTunes?
Can you test if yours is fully functioning?
That might be helpful for many people.
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So if one sucked and the other blew, did it equalize pressure and result in the only known stable configuration of Windows and / or iTunes?
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Other than Windows and Apple, which platform family supports a user's existing iTunes purchases, such as movies and books? X11/Linux doesn't, and Android doesn't.
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Ah, but the people suggesting moving away from both Microsoft and Apple all run DRM free ogg-vorbis, and like to build their environments from a collection of parts.
The idea of actually using software for an extended period of time and needing it to work with devices is a foreign concept.
If they want music players they build their own using a Raspberry Pi and some chewing gum.
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My last iteration of "building from a collection of parts" was buying a QNAP from Amazon and a laptop from System76.
Ripping the content may require a little bit of upfront legwork but I never have to worry about some gatekeeper going out of business or deciding to just give me the middle finger.
Most of my MP3s are older than any sanctioned MP3 vendor. Now the older parts of my video collection have seen iTunes rise up as a video monger and then go offline.
This article is an advertisement for XBMC.
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Most non techies wouldn't go and do that but even my mother who now hates Apple products was able to get all her music off iTunes and move it to her Android device. Sure it took her over 3 hours to figure it all out but she managed to do.
She was so proud of her technical achievements. Lol!!
Re:Upgrade (Score:4, Interesting)
Well, it was a concession to the music industry to make it hard to copy other people's music. So, yes, they have done it differently.
But, for me one of the best features is that special DB ... I have playlists based on the metadata which only Apple keeps (as far as I know at least) across devices. Like "songs I haven't played in six months or haven't played at least five times". You practically have a query language ... so you can pick all of your punk rock which isn't also Christmas (and, yes, I have that problem).
Sure, if I wanted to grab my music folder out of iTunes and import it into another player I could go back to the same level of technology I was using on FreeBSD in 2001 ... but honestly, I'd rather stick with iTunes and the playlists and metadata that special DB give me.
I don't ever manage my music by dragging and dropping ... so while your way is good for you, I'd rather just select which playlists to sync.
Me, I just load on a half dozen playlists, put it on big random, and let the playcount cycle them out on the next pass so I can work through all my music and hear it all. :-P
For me, the massive time investment I have in iTunes means when I rip a CD and assign a genre like "cuban/hip-hop" or "punk/xmas" they magically fall into the playlists where they belong because rules put them there ... and I won't hear a punk version of Silent Night in June. ;-)
My playlists are almost self curating now precisely because of that DB. And when you have Cuban hip-hop and punk Christmas albums you really want that.
At least I do.
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Which "better players" lawfully support iTunes purchases? Or from which store should one have lawfully purchased movies instead?
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I buy my movies and music from Google or every once in a while on physical media. It's pretty hard for Apple to screw those up.
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Anything can play MP3 ... literally hundreds of programs can play MP3... can Emusic play the movies purchased in iTunes?
If not, what you're suggesting is totally oblivious to the other media people get from iTunes.
So if for the last bunch of years I've been buying DVDs and Blu Rays which come with the digital copy from iTunes ... what piece of software plays those?
Playing MP3s is the most trivial part of all of this. So if all you have to suggest is another MP3 player, you have added nothing of value, and
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Ummmm... Emusic isn't a player. It's a place other than iTunes to buy music. It comes as MP3 when you buy it.
This isn't iTunes, ya cranky whiner. [emusic.com]
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And what the fuck does that have to do with the question" Which "better players" lawfully support iTunes purchases? Or from which store should one have lawfully purchased movies instead?
Would that be nothing at all and the existence of Emusic doesn't solve the problem which was posed and is therefore a useless answer?
So, yes, there exists another store which isn't iTunes ... and the existence of that store has not a damned thing to do with the stuff people have already purchased from iTunes.
Would you like
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Honestly, that's a stupid and trite answer.
There are NO places where you can buy legal digital copies of movies without DRM.
You can pirate them, but you can't buy them DRM free.
So what you're saying is "people should pirate, or not have digital copies of movies" ... but there is no way in hell there is any other service which is providing DRM-free movies, and this is not an issue specific to iTunes.
Y
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There are NO places where you can buy legal digital copies of movies without DRM.
I think I said that, actually.
That said, there currently exist no DRM-free legitimate sources for movies,
I then continued to clarify:
though there are many that work on all platforms, including Linux (and Android), which can not be said for iTunes.
Did you not read the sentence immediately preceding the one you quoted? Hmm?
So what you're saying is "people should pirate, or not have digital copies of movies"
Where did I say anything about piracy?
iTunes isn't any worse than any other mechanism
Except for the whole "doesn't work on Android" part.
The only other one I'm even aware of is Ultraviolet
How about Amazon [amazon.com]? Or Google Play [google.com]? In addition to Google's native support on Android (obviously), they both work in-browser and both have iOS apps available: Amazon Instant Video for iOS [apple.com] Google Play Movies & TV for iOS [apple.com].
Platform support alone makes both of those better options than i
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Yep. Only movies are DRM, but all purchased movies are DRM at least for now.
The only ones which aren't are pirated or purchased on media and a digital copy is made by the person owning the media.
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That 16% represents the bottom of the market, the people who spend the least on computers. Look at the phone market where Apple is happily catering to the top 15% with no product even available for the bottom 85% (unless you could used and then still nothing for the bottom 60%). Apple has no problem dropping low margin customers. They aren't Microsoft.
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I'm pretty certain a used iPhone 4, now with its third owner, covers a good portion of that bottom 60%. The 60-85% range you mention are using hand-me-down iPhone 5s.
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I'm not sure an iPhone 4 is a good fit for the average bottom 60%.
The carrier they are using likely has no iPhone support.
There is no iPhone store in their language.
Even if they can get on the store Apple assumes you have a credit card.
The battery is probably shot and around $100 to replace.
Apple doesn't even support it with the current OS.
etc...
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You can buy music places that let you listen to it without DRM. EMusic. Bandcamp. Megatunes. Oddly enough, FYE if you don't mind physical media.
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> Just so you know, nothing lasts forever.
Why not? Parts of my media hoard date back to 1994.
Bits don't wear out. There's no reason for them not to last forever.
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Actually, I think over time there is bit loss to media and all data that is stored and transferred.
Forever is a long time.
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Re:XP has been unsupported by Microsoft for a year (Score:4, Informative)
No version of OS X since Snow Leopard has been as stable or performant. Because of this, I know a number of people who actually still use it despite the lack of security updates. Of them, only a couple use it in an offline-only capacity. I'm sure that's lightyears better than the decade-long support you say isn't necessary, though. Right?
Hipster alert (Score:2)
I've had iTunes since my Rio MP3 and I've never paid anything to an online music store, ever.
Do you think anyone really cares if you've never bought anything from an online music store? Do you think that makes you superior in some way? The term hipster is stupid and usually used poorly but I think it might apply here.
I buy my CDs and DVDs from the artist or band in person, then they get half of the money instead of 0.02 cents.
Those of us with actual jobs and real life obligations have better things to do than track down random artists in person so we can throw an extra $5 at them in person.
You old guys on slashdot have heard of podcasts, right?
And my hipster theory is confirmed. Do you have a point to make or are you just trying to be smug?
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Source?