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Tesla's New Factory Project Imported Foreign Laborers (mercurynews.com) 208

An anonymous reader writes: "Overseas contractors are shipping workers from impoverished countries to American factories, where they work long hours for low wages, in apparent violation of visa and labor laws," reports the Bay Area Newsgroup. For example, "About 140 workers from Eastern Europe, mostly from Croatia and Slovenia, built a new paint shop at Tesla's Fremont plant, a project vital to the flagship Silicon Valley automaker's plans to ramp up production of its highly anticipated Model 3 sedan..."

This "hidden workforce" arrives on B1/B2 visas, which federal authorities acknowledge are subject to "widespread abuse" in Silicon Valley. The newspaper reviewed visa, court, and payroll documents, and conducted dozens of interviews, identifying Tesla's small third-party Slovenian subcontractor ISM Vuzem as the company who ultimately recruited many of the workers.

While most of the imported workers were happy with their wages, one worker was earning the equivalent of $5 an hour while his American counterpart was earning as much as $52, and they worked 10-hour days -- without overtime -- up to seven days a week.
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  • Global economy (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward

    It's more of a shock that anyone is still paid well considering hype literal billions of cheap labor outside America.

    Sure, we could fix the visa problem, but if companies are forced to use expensive (globally speaking) labor, they'll just leave the country.

    I suggest everyone start saving their money, because the gravy train is ending.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      and when they leave for other countries, employment and wages in this one will stabilize and find equilibrium again.

    • Re:Global economy (Score:5, Interesting)

      by jellomizer ( 103300 ) on Monday May 16, 2016 @09:07AM (#52120117)

      Well America is much better at efficiency than other countries. So one person and do a job of 10. So you hire one person at 5 times the foreign counterpart if they can do 10 times the work they are worth it.

      While there is a lot of complaining about the US education system, most countries cheat on their statistics. Where say the average high school graduate in the foreign country will have A/B Grades on skills test while the US has C Grades on skill tests. Is often because these countries will kick out the underperforming students and put them in trade schools.
      So the factory worker in the US with a High School degree, often has better Reading Writing and Critical Thinking skills than a cheaper worker who had been placed in Labor training after elementary school. Allowing them to work with less management, and oversight, as well being able to understand more complex instructions.

      Do not count the US out just because of higher wages. Americans work hard, and they work smart as well. The trick is to show that to the businesses who make the decisions, because otherwise they just pick the Penny Wise and Pound foolish solution.

      • I have a few foreign colleges with Bachelors Degrees but still have trouble with the basics of computer sciences {all at the same college} it's like they got a two year degree from a technical college and some from a other countries who really know their stuff. I came to the conclusion a long time ago that not all degrees are created equal.

      • Actually, the Chinese are better at efficient manufacture. A *lot* better. Expensive Made-in-USA manufacture cannot compete on quality with much-less-expensive Made-in-China manufacture; and the MiC stuff can go down to low-cost, low-quality-requirements (low acceptance criteria) manufacture to a ridiculous degree. When the Chinese make something light-duty, it's light-duty; when the Americans make something approaching light-duty, it's possibly not even fucking functional, at random, so buy six and hop

        • Actually, the Chinese are better at efficient manufacture. A *lot* better. Expensive Made-in-USA manufacture cannot compete on quality with much-less-expensive Made-in-China manufacture...

          The company I work for does manufacture in China, as well as in Europe and N. America. Machine costs are about the same in China, i.e. a CNC machine and electricity cost the same in China as they do in Switzerland. If your process is highly automated, making it in China won't save any money once you factor in the additional overhead to coordinate manufacturing and to ensure quality standards are met. China is only less expensive for high-volume, manual-labor intensive manufacturing, i.e. making shoes or mil

          • Machine costs are about the same in China, i.e. a CNC machine and electricity cost the same in China as they do in Switzerland.

            This will only differ if the machines aren't already present: installing a new machine is going to cost more than using what's available.

            If your process is highly automated, making it in China won't save any money once you factor in the additional overhead to coordinate manufacturing and to ensure quality standards are met.

            The Chinese manufacturing base has a *lot* more experience hitting consistent quality standards. If you want it made cheap, you want it made in China. Americans can't shave off 15% of the cost by shaving 15% of the quality; they'll get some ham-fisted attempt at cutting corners with an axe, while the Chinese will file those corners off with precision and skill.

            As for "quality" it starts with quality technical documentation, choosing the correct manufacturing processes, process stability, and the quality-control mechanisms.

            All

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by rubycodez ( 864176 )

      bullshit, no $5 an hour immigrant is going to have my skills and experience.

      maybe the gravy train is ending for useless people.

      • by Forgefather ( 3768925 ) on Monday May 16, 2016 @09:19AM (#52120187)

        I see this argument a lot around Slashdot, and while I would agree that this is typically correct for the top end of the labor pool it fails to take into account that an influx of cheap labor impacts people who are still gaining experience. Even if you are completely amazing at your chosen profession I would wager that your abilities, like everyone else's, where built up through time and experience. Time granted by a manager who had faith in your ability to grow.

        If an influx of cheap labor prevents the more inexperienced people from gaining their expertise then the country will eventually be left barren of skills as the imported labor takes their skills and experience home with them at the end of their tenure.

        This doesn't just apply to people coming straight out of college either. Even people who have some experience will be affected if they are replaced with a foreign visa holder before they can make the move from technical expert to leadership role.

        • I see this argument a lot around Slashdot, and while I would agree that this is typically correct for the top end of the labor pool it fails to take into account that an influx of cheap labor impacts people who are still gaining experience.

          It also fails to take into account people dumb enough to fall for liars who inflate their resume, as well as people dumb enough to think they can get away with the new shiny shiny instead of hiring experience and using something proven. The presence of that available cheap labor is tempting, and some people will succumb to temptation.

          • To be fair, ITT is *really* good at churning out IT professionals. Most project managers are bad at communicating with outside culture laborers, so they have a hard time operating with the Chinese or, especially, the Indians.

            Chinese (and asians in general) have strong hierarchical cultures: when someone asks you if you can get something done in a week, you say *yes*. Arguing the point is burned out of these people, and they have as hard a hard time adjusting to it as you would if you went to e.g. Japan

      • I think you underestimate the ability of a bean counter or CEO to only focus on the cost of labor when analyzing ways to show better numbers for the next quarter/fiscal year.
      • by MrL0G1C ( 867445 )

        Well you'll have to train them up then!!

    • by sjbe ( 173966 ) on Monday May 16, 2016 @09:30AM (#52120273)

      It's more of a shock that anyone is still paid well considering hype literal billions of cheap labor outside America.

      Try trillions of cheap labor. We have this deluded notion that we can have both the highest labor costs in the world AND keep labor intensive [wikipedia.org] work. That does not and cannot work over the long term. China has 4 people for every 1 in the US. That means all other things being equal, labor costs in China will be 1/4 that in the US on average. There is no reason China cannot have productivity equal to that of the US. Therefore it is illogical to continue to believe that the US can continue to have exceptionally high wages in the face of competition with a clear labor cost advantage.

      Sure, we could fix the visa problem, but if companies are forced to use expensive (globally speaking) labor, they'll just leave the country.

      Some will, some won't. If they get good value for money they'll stay. If the work can be done comparably well for less elsewhere then they'll leave. Honestly we should expect US wages to experience some form of reversion to the mean. If you want to have the highest wages in the world you should expect labor intensive work to go elsewhere. That's just Economics 101.

      I suggest everyone start saving their money, because the gravy train is ending.

      If the US wants to stay ahead then we will need to stop spending money on stupid things (wars, oversized military, interest on national debt) and start spending money on R&D, education, infrastructure and an efficient health care system. You know, things that will actually improve quality of life and incomes and productivity. Failure to do this will eventually result in the US experiencing a reversion to the mean in GDP per capita.

      • . We have this deluded notion that we can have both the highest labor costs in the world AND keep labor intensive [wikipedia.org] work.

        The US has nowhere near the highest labor costs in the world. We're not even in the top 10.

        • by sjbe ( 173966 ) on Monday May 16, 2016 @09:58AM (#52120475)

          The US has nowhere near the highest labor costs in the world. We're not even in the top 10.

          If you actually believe that labor costs in the US aren't among the highest in the world then you haven't actually bothered to look at the data. Depending on how you measure it the labor costs in the US are mostly somewhere between 5th and 20th per capita. Yes there are some countries with higher labor costs but not very many of them [conference-board.org]. The fact that we don't have THE highest labor costs per capita is not important. What is important is that our labor costs are WELL above the mean globally. If you want to know why manufacturing companies have moved to China (and elsewhere) for labor intensive manufacturing, labor costs are by far the biggest factor. There are a lot of products that simply cannot be made in the US for the hourly wages that a US based manufacturer would have to pay.

          I used to do global sourcing for a living. I've traveled all over Eastern Asia, Southeast Asia, and Central America for manufacturing companies. I work in manufacturing and I buy products and commodities from around the world. The US without question has some of the highest labor rates in the world. It's not even a debate. If you think otherwise you don't know what you are talking about.

          • The fact that we don't have THE highest labor costs per capita is not important.

            It most certainly IS important if you're responding to someone who claims the US has THE highest labor costs in the world.

            If you want to have the discussion that US labor costs are too high, that's fine, but let's not start the discussion with a falsehood, OK?

      • by fluffernutter ( 1411889 ) on Monday May 16, 2016 @09:50AM (#52120421)
        The US needs to decide what they want. Are we a first world county with first world benefits? If that's what we want to be then we need to protect first world salaries somehow. If we don't protect the salaries, then we're going to become a third world nation like the rest. I thought this was something we didn't want, but I could be wrong. The 1% don't care, they don't have anything to lose by living in a third world nation because their wealth becomes all the more valuable relatively speaking.
        • The problem is all costs are labor. The machines are made by people (labor) using machines (recursion) fueled by energy produced by people (labor). Those machines are then operated by people (labor), using fuel produced by people (labor) using other machines (turtles all the way down).

          In the end, you can take all business input costs (accounting), shift the labor costs (economics) to the bottom, and find an aggregate cost (economics) and price (economics). When you have tall stacks of production, the p

      • by gtall ( 79522 )

        "oversized military" yeah, the U.S. should let China suck down Taiwan like they did Tibet. There's no reason they should be part of China's fascist empire. S. Korea? Sheesh, turn them into N. Korea and the U.S. won't have to compete with them any longer. And while the U.S. is at it, it should let China control Japan's sea lanes, what does the U.S. need with a Japan. Eastern Europe would be best left to Putin and his little green men, no one wants an Eastern Europe part of the world economy, let Putin do for

      • Try trillions of cheap labor.

        There aren't anywhere near a trillion people. Unless, you are part of the "every sperm is sacred" camp.

      • China has 4 people for every 1 in the US. That means all other things being equal, labor costs in China will be 1/4 that in the US on average.

        That is not technically possible if a Chinese person needs more than 1/4 the wages to survive. That is to say: if you have to pay the Chinaman 1/2 as much as a U.S. worker in order for him to eat and have shelter, then it doesn't matter if you have 90 times as many workers; the cost is still going to be 1/2 as much, because you have to feed your damned work force, and that's how much it costs.

        Chinese labor estimate is $3.50, versus $8.25 minimum wage in my state and $7.25 minimum wage United States fede

    • It's more of a shock that anyone is still paid well considering hype literal billions of cheap labor outside America.

      Sure, we could fix the visa problem, but if companies are forced to use expensive (globally speaking) labor, they'll just leave the country.

      I suggest everyone start saving their money, because the gravy train is ending.

      Then, supply and demand will return to the markets and prices, wages, jobs and everything else will stabilize. BTW, in case you are not aware of it, doing things that is good for business and not for the people is called fascism or the new politically correct term corporatism.

  • Wide Spread Abuse (Score:5, Interesting)

    by cyriustek ( 851451 ) on Monday May 16, 2016 @08:53AM (#52120009)

    This "hidden workforce" arrives on B1/B2 visas, which federal authorities acknowledge are subject to "widespread abuse" in Silicon Valley

    If everyone realises that wide spread abuse is going on, then why the hell do they allow the practice to continue? I am not generally one who bashes big business and the tech giants, but give me a break. Create a points system for bringing new people in with the right skills and education, and make sure they are paid a similar wage, so that local wages do not reduce rapidly.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) on Monday May 16, 2016 @09:26AM (#52120239) Homepage Journal

      Because if they stopped those visas entirely it would harm the few companies who are using them legitimately. Well, that's the official explanation, I imagine the real reason is "lobbying and backhanders".

    • by pr0t0 ( 216378 ) on Monday May 16, 2016 @09:28AM (#52120261)

      If I need a job done, I look for whomever can do it on time, correctly, and inexpensively; the latter generally being the least important. Upon settling upon a particular vendor, I may do some vetting, but exactly how much am I supposed to do? Particularly knowing there are already laws and enforcement bureaus in place to handle transgressions, I'm not likely to conduct my own deep investigation.

      So Tesla hires Eisenmann to do a job, build a paint shop. That company, and at least one (ISM Vuzem), possibly more, position themselves to maximize the profit from the money Tesla is paying by hiring skilled workers made cheap through exploiting the visa system, and run afoul of the law. How much of that blame are we supposed to lay at Tesla's feet?

      The the article mentions Tesla's name 39 times, including the title, 14 times in the first 16 paragraphs. Eisenmann is mentioned twice in the same space, and only in paragraphs 14 and 15 (13 overall). Vuzem is only mentioned once in that opening space (22 overall).

      It looks like the Mercury News is intentionally bashing Tesla to grab headlines, particularly by front-loading the name. They could have just as easily reported that there is a huge problem in the United States with contractors hiring overseas workers under false pretenses, and Tesla was the latest victim.

      • Good analysis IMO. Mod parent up.
        • by David_Hart ( 1184661 ) on Monday May 16, 2016 @12:05PM (#52121501)

          It looks like the Mercury News is intentionally bashing Tesla to grab headlines, particularly by front-loading the name. They could have just as easily reported that there is a huge problem in the United States with contractors hiring overseas workers under false pretenses, and Tesla was the latest victim.

          Good analysis IMO. Mod parent up.

          It might be a gdecent analysis but the above statement falls into the age old method of deflection and shows a tad bit of bias. All of a sudden Tesla is the "victim" of overzealous reporting. Let's just ignore that they decided to outsource and use cheap labor...

          While it may be true that the Mercury News has an agenda and is using the Tesla name to sell papers, Tesla put themselves in the position where they could be criticized for labor practices. For better or worse, they made the decision to outsource to a company that they knew, or should have known, would hire foreign workers. They put themselves in this position. They are anything but a victim.

          • To be fair, manufacturing plants virtually ALWAYS outsource construction; it's not their biz to build facilities, they operate them. I used to work in a business that did just this for manufacturing plants. It's the way it's done except for VERY small stuff the maintenance crew can handle. They don't 'offshore' it, but then neither did Tesla. I'm not a Tesla fan boi but fair is fair.
      • by swb ( 14022 )

        IMO, you're right -- but at the same time, I think there's something reasonable about it because Musk and Tesla are so often lauded as geniuses and the stars of the new, beard-and-flannel friendly economy yet are still ultimately contributing to the visa abuse game.

        If Musk is going to bask in the glow of inventing the electric car, then he has to accept the blame for participating in visa abuse, too.

    • This "hidden workforce" arrives on B1/B2 visas, which federal authorities acknowledge are subject to "widespread abuse" in Silicon Valley

      If everyone realises that wide spread abuse is going on, then why the hell do they allow the practice to continue? I am not generally one who bashes big business and the tech giants, but give me a break. Create a points system for bringing new people in with the right skills and education, and make sure they are paid a similar wage, so that local wages do not reduce rapidly.

      Money

    • If everyone realises that wide spread abuse is going on, then why the hell do they allow the practice to continue?

      It is very hard to create programs and policies to achieve a difficult goal and at the same time prevent unintended consequences and abuse. Abuse of immigration policies is probably inevitable, but so is the downfall of any nation which closes itself off to the world and/or tries to create one-sided trade policies. So one thing everyone should agree on is immigration requires a delicate and difficult balancing act of many concerns.

      Create a points system for bringing new people in with the right skills and education, and make sure they are paid a similar wage, so that local wages do not reduce rapidly.

      That isn't even the type of visa this article is talking about. B1 visas are

    • by fnj ( 64210 )

      If everyone realises that wide spread abuse is going on, then why the hell do they allow the practice to continue? I am not generally one who bashes big business and the tech giants, but give me a break. Create a points system for bringing new people in with the right skills and education, and make sure they are paid a similar wage, so that local wages do not reduce rapidly.

      What the HELL are you going on about? It's blindingly, stupidly obvious why "they" allow the practice to continue. The USA has become c

  • by LWATCDR ( 28044 ) on Monday May 16, 2016 @09:00AM (#52120067) Homepage Journal

    "and they worked 10-hour days -- without overtime -- up to seven days a week."
    I have seen people do seven days in a row but then they got off several days in a row if you do a two week pay period. So you work 7 days at 10 hours and then have 7 days off. Some people like that.
    So are they breaking labor laws or just doing 7 10s and 7 off?

    • Labor laws are state specific - In California anything over 8 hours a day is overtime.

      http://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/faq... [ca.gov]
      • by LWATCDR ( 28044 )

        Yes and no.
        There are federal labor laws https://www.usa.gov/labor-laws [usa.gov] and these are minimums.
        A state can have laws on top of the federal laws for example California. For example at on company I work at we offered people the option of 4 10 hour days a week.

    • The article is all about how the federal government is not monitoring this practice. The Slashdot article is trying to use it to bash Tesla.
      • by LWATCDR ( 28044 )

        I read the story and you are correct. It looks like it is a sub-contractor of a contractor that is working Tesla's factory. To be honest I am not a fan of the rabid Tesla fan boys but this really has nothing to do with Tesla. It would be like busting the mayor of a city because the company that they hired to do landscaping subcontracted out mowing the grass at parks to a company that hired illegals.
        The subcontractor that is breaking the law should be punished. The answer to why is Tesla's name all over this

        • the upper level contractors / main comp need to be held as well.

          Some places even try to hide under 1099's like lift / uber to get out of stuff.

        • by swb ( 14022 )

          I think at a certain point you have to accept some of the blame for the people or contractors you hire to do a job. It's too convenient to say "they were contractors".

          • by LWATCDR ( 28044 )

            So it is the fault of the people that buy Teslas.
            They bought a car from a company that hired a contractor that hired a subcontractor that was breaking labor laws.
            The only way they have any guilt is if they knew that it was going on. I doubt that anyone at Tesla knows any more about the construction workers adding on to the factory than you know about the subcontractor that worked on the roof of your home.

  • by sjbe ( 173966 ) on Monday May 16, 2016 @09:11AM (#52120149)

    Ever eat at a grocery store? Guess what? You are eating products that were worked on by imported labor and I bet you aren't complaining about the lower prices. This is nothing unusual and I don't think less of Tesla for trying to get a better deal. As long as Tesla followed whatever regulations are in place for bringing in their workforce and paying them, I don't really see a problem here. If they broke some laws then appropriate and proportional punishment should follow. If the laws are allowing something they shouldn't then the answer is to change the laws. See some of the H1B abuse if you need an example of laws that are being abused.

    While most of the imported workers were happy with their wages, one worker was earning the equivalent of $5 an hour while his American counterpart was earning as much as $52, and they worked 10-hour days -- without overtime -- up to seven days a week.

    If someone is willing to pay the American worker $52/hour (roughly $100K/year with 8 hour work day) and gets good value for their money then where is the problem? On the other hand I cannot imagine paying $52/hour for that sort of work unless I had no alternative. Heck, my little company doesn't pay skilled trades $52/hour and we're a pimple on a gnat's ass in size compared with Tesla. I respect skilled trades immensely but Tesla would be nuts to pay that sort of labor rate if they could get the same work done for less. Just because this hypothetical American skilled trade worker is asking $52/hour doesn't mean Tesla or anybody else should be prohibited from looking for a better deal. Would you pay 10X the cost for work on your house solely because the worker is a US citizen and not because they do any better work? If you say yes I'm going to call you a liar.

    • Then don't go into business in the first place. Whether you want to accept it or not, everyone is a contributing factor in America being a first world nation or a third world nation. Your choice.
    • by denzacar ( 181829 ) on Monday May 16, 2016 @12:33PM (#52121791) Journal

      Tesla hired a German contractor, Eisenmann, to build a paint shop.
      Eisenmann then hired ISM Vuzem, a Slovenian company, who then hired the said Slovenian electrician.
      Who then had an accident, ended up in a hospital and who is now suing all three for following reasons:

      From TFA:

      Eisenmann USA wrote letters to the U.S. Embassy on behalf of Lesnik and as many as 200 foreign workers stating they would supervise employees at a U.S. auto plant.
      Most of the Vuzem workers were nonsupervisory laborers and tradesmen.
      Tesla issued company security badges to the foreign workers, recorded their time on site and shared responsibility for setting safety conditions.
      Vuzem required foreign employees to regularly work between 60 and 70 hours a week.
      Vuzem paid Lesnik an average of 800 euros per month, or about $900, for a rate of less than $5 per hour. Lesnik was promised an equal amount when he returned home, but the company never paid the balance.
      The companies violated wage and employment laws and benefitted from the cheap labor of foreign workers.
      Workers were promised $12.70 an hour based on a standard workweek.
      The suit estimates they are due $2.6 million in overtime and premium pay.

      All in all, Tesla is the least responsible party in this case.
      In fact, they could probably sue Eisenmann USA for failing to meet their requirements "to hire and pay their workers appropriately", as they claim is their practice.
      That is, unless it turns out they were simply turning a blind eye and just looking at the bottom line.
      Like everyone else.

      More from TFA:

      Vuzem provides teams of Eastern European workers to build manufacturing plants in Europe and the U.S. It counts Mercedes-Benz, Toyota, Volkswagen, Ford and Saab as clients, according to its website.

        ...
       
      In 2003, an Alabama sheet metal workers union protested Eisenmann hiring a contractor that brought in Polish workers to complete a Mercedes-Benz paint shop.
      The company was cleared of any wrongdoing by Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
      Officials with the agency declined to answer questions about the investigation and denied a Freedom of Information Act request for materials related to the probe.
      Eisenmann declined to respond to written questions about the case.

      Ten years later, ICE fined Infosys a record $34 million for circumventing H-1B and B1 regulations and unlawfully using visa holders for skilled work around the country, among other offenses, according to a court settlement.

      This month, Bitmicro Networks Inc. of Fremont was fined about $168,000 for giving substandard wages to workers brought in from the Philippines.

      It's not a case of Tesla or emigrants or cheap labor.
      It's just another example of corporations in the US being subsidized at the expense of US citizens.
      Everyone does it, everyone pretends it is not an issue... until they get sued.

  • by EndlessNameless ( 673105 ) on Monday May 16, 2016 @09:19AM (#52120185)

    So, cheap labor was supplied by a subcontractor who worked for the company that Tesla hired to build an add-on to its existing facility?

    How is this news worthy?

    If Tesla were deliberately skirting US labor laws, that would be news worthy. If they chose to contract with well-known abusive employers overseas, that might be important to potential buyers.

    But outside of defense and aerospace, how many industries routinely vet every subcontractor they hire? No one. At best, they might check the primary contractor to make sure they don't have a sketchy history. But not everyone he might hire.

    Because that is a ton of work. It takes lots of time and money to investigate, especially since you'll need to check every bidder before you award the contract.

    If you personally don't like it, support laws that prohibit foreign workers or make disclosure of foreign labor required for all primary contractors.

    A company cannot be expected to investigate the labor practices of every company it might contract. That is just insane, and that is why this article is worthless trash.

    • I find it hard to believe that Elon Musk wouldn't wonder where the workers came from and wouldn't be told if he asked. This is willing ignorance, which doesn't count for anything.
    • by jrumney ( 197329 ) on Monday May 16, 2016 @10:27AM (#52120705)

      But outside of defense and aerospace, how many industries routinely vet every subcontractor they hire?

      Automotive does. And with all the regulations surrounding conflict minerals and child labor these days, pretty much anyone making a consumer product that cares about their brand does now too.

      • I expect they have to maintain tight quality control over their parts suppliers because they are responsible if the product fails.

        There is a difference between contracting out for your products and contracting for the renovation and maintenance of your facilities.

        Everyone should be keeping a close eye on what happens with their products. The supplies and labor going into the product ultimately have an effect on the general public.

        But that level of oversight is not particularly important for other areas of t

  • A subcontractor, not Tesla. Microsoft subcontractor made Windows XP sounds using a stolen copy of Sound Forge, and the the evidence got baked into Windows XP. I did non hear much outrage about it from the press
  • by jfdavis668 ( 1414919 ) on Monday May 16, 2016 @09:34AM (#52120311)
    If you replace "Tesla" with the actual company's name that hired these workers, and no one would care. Everyone is up in arms because of the name "Tesla", and no one would care if the article didn't mention them.
    • On the contrary, I think people care very much about our nation sliding into the third world no matter what country it is. The ire is just peaked when the company doing it is trying to claim they are doing good work.
      • Companies exist to make money by doing things as efficiently as possible. I can't fault any company for hiring foreign workers.

        Now the people who allow these visas, and the foreigners to be exempt from the same basic protections of citizens, and who break down trade barriers which exist because of the large discrepancies in the laws and behaviours between different countries, ... well they should get shot with a bucket of their own shit.

        • You're talking about that like it is not the same people.
          • It's not. Tesla doesn't make the laws. They may lobby and donate, but they don't make the laws. If they do (i.e. write them) then I'm back to the lawmakers getting shot with a bucket of their own shit.

            Our problem isn't Tesla, it's career fucking politicians lining their own pockets and trading away the USA in exchange for another term of job security.

  • Sure looks a hell of a lot like the pre-Haymarket 19th Century Economy.
  • by ErichTheRed ( 39327 ) on Monday May 16, 2016 @09:43AM (#52120393)

    As much as I'm not a Trump fan, one of the things he's right about is that visa abuse is rampant. The original intent of the H-1B program is good; our company is a multinational and we bring lots of very smart, talented employees to the US to work with us. The huge loophole is the body shops and IT service providers who just use it as a relief valve to earn more margin on IT outsourcing deals. The thing I don't like seeing is companies who just decide they don't want a 25-year veteran employee anymore, call up Tata or Infosys, and have a less-skilled replacement shipped in next week (that the veteran has to train to get his severance package.) I don't know how many more stories like that will have to be written before people realize this is not a good way to conduct business.

    The problem with the visa abuse, the trade deals, etc. is that to make a dent, every company across the board needs to be affected equally and immediately. The only way to do that is to take away the visa programs for everybody, or unilaterally cancel a trade deal overnight. This would be the only way to ensure no company still had an advantage. One of the reasons companies offshore IT or import cheap H-1B workers from a body shop is because their competitors are doing it. If they don't, their IT costs are higher even if the quality is better. If, all at once, every company suddenly lost access to the loopholes they were exploiting, or that their "IT service partner" were exploiting, the incentive to offshore because everyone else is doing it would disappear.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      This is beyond H1B abuse, where they can bend poorly written laws; this is B1/B2 abuse which is straight up illegal.

      As long as the media keeps rephrasing illegal immigration into "anti-immigration", these problems will never get solved; which is exactly what their corporate masters want.

  • While most of the imported workers were happy with their wages, one worker was earning the equivalent of $5 an hour while his American counterpart was earning as much as $52, and they worked 10-hour days -- without overtime -- up to seven days a week.

    I'm sure that importing these new workers is just a temporary measure. Tesla's long-term plan is to lower the cost of American workers by refurbishing and reusing them after burnout. However, they've only been able to recover three of them so far. Hopefully the numbers will improve after they figure out how to soften some of the workers' hard landings.

  • Vote trump to fix this and the VP's and CEO should be doing hard time for stuff like there they can work for $0.13 /hr in prison.

  • Tesla did not imported the workers, it was the sub-sub contractor. Shameful slashdot title, I hope this is not the default.

  • Let's not let this pass since we all love Testa. Even though Tesla is not the party directly responsible for these contracted workers, they should have better practices to vet the companies they work with.

    There is a path to legally bringing workers from your overseas offices, It is an L1 Visa, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org] , B visas specifically are not allowed to work, but can come here to apply for jobs (which then require moving to a proper work permit), or build their own company (very easy to get p

  • Would it surprise you that I am hourly and don't get paid overtime? Some loophole in the Fair Labor Standards Act let's my employer get away with this. I routinely work 50 hours a week, all at straight time.
  • About 140 workers from Eastern Europe, mostly from Croatia and Slovenia, built a new paint shop at Tesla’s Fremont plant, a project vital to the flagship Silicon Valley automaker’s plans to ramp up production of its highly anticipated Model 3 sedan. ... He earned the equivalent of $5 an hour to expand the plant for one of the world’s most sophisticated companies, Tesla Motors. ... While most of the imported workers interviewed for this story said they are happy with their paychecks, their

  • by 140Mandak262Jamuna ( 970587 ) on Monday May 16, 2016 @12:21PM (#52121655) Journal
    B1 visa abuse is very old. When I graduated back in 1984, I had offers to work in USA on B1 visa. This visa is meant for high level executives from other countries to visit USA to conduct business, and to provide warranty service for imported machinery. The abuse was rampant. The US consulate in India, Bombay, Madras, Delhi and Calcutta had the impossible task for vetting the visa applications and determining the bona fide of the paper work. It was hit and a miss, the agents figured out what the red flags were, took "care" of them, usually using forged documents that the consulate could not verify.

    I know cases of three people with identical papers applying for B1, one getting it and the other two getting, "not eligible to apply for ANY visa to USA for 2 years" stamped on their passports. It was as if the first guy is up for stealing a policeman's helmet on the Oxford boat race night. Gets off with a five pound fine. The next guy up for the same thing. The magistrate notices a sudden spurt in theft of police helmets and sentences Agustus Fink-Nottle to two weeks in the slammer.

    If Tesla has bought the paint shop from a shell company in Eastern Europe, and if this is part of erection and delivery contract, it would be covered under B1 visa rules.

    I think it worked in large scale because they were from Eastern Europe. Embassies in India, China, Africa etc would have smelled a rat miles away.

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