Latest Windows 10 Update Breaks PowerShell (infoworld.com) 212
whoever57 writes: According to a report via InfoWorld, the latest Windows 10 update [KB 3176934] breaks Desired State Configuration (DSC) functionality in PowerShell. Some things that were broken in the prior update, such as support of many webcams and a freeze issue, don't appear to have been fixed in this update. Windows PowerShell Blog reported last night: "Due to a missing .MOF file in the build package, the update breaks DSC. All DSC operations will result in an 'Invalid Property' error. If you are using DSC from or on any Windows client, take the following steps: Uninstall the update if already installed [...]; If using WSUS, do not approve the update. Otherwise, Use Group Policy to set the 'Configure Automatic Updates' to '2 -- Notify for download and notify for install' [...] A fix for this issue will be included in the next Windows update which is due out 8/30/2016."
The MS Merry Go Round. (Score:5, Funny)
A fix for this issue will be included in the next Windows update which is due out 8/30/2016
I dread to think what that update will break.
Re:The MS Merry Go Round. (Score:5, Funny)
There was a time when windows update would give you a list of what was fixed. Now it seems to be a list of what was/will be broken.
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There was a time when windows update would give you a list of what was fixed. Now it seems to be a list of what was/will be broken.
But t's like a new surprise each time. the fun part is listening to the shills try to blame it on the victims, So we have audio drivers, Ethernet adapters, Cameras, Powershell and more. I wonder if the dreaded predicted XPocalypse is actually going to happen instead with a windows 10 update bricking everything. The shills might have to use Linux or OSX to post their defense of the bricking as a good thing.
Windows 10 - the gift that keeps on taking.
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OSX has had it's bad updates as well. Didn't they mess up email a few years ago?
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OSX has had it's bad updates as well. Didn't they mess up email a few years ago?
Nothing on OSX that didn't get fixed readily. Having lived through the Mail problem, it pales in comparison to say, my W10 machines that were updated, rebooted, then could no longer access ethernet. Windows 10 update experience is "What's next to break?" Because at this point, the day after updates, the web comes alive with what got hammered.
Assuming of course, the machines still have access to the web, or boot.
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I am always terrified during an update. Will I still have a working computer afterwards?
Luck of the draw. I went s few months with no problems. Lately it's been every update.
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The problem is that general purpose computers with general purpose operating systems are geek toys, and are far too complicated for the average guy on the street... In their failing attempts to make windows more suitable for such users, they are making it less palatable to the more technically minded users too.
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The problem is that general purpose computers with general purpose operating systems are geek toys, and are far too complicated for the average guy on the street... In their failing attempts to make windows more suitable for such users, they are making it less palatable to the more technically minded users too.
The problem with what you are saying is that there is no problem at all with having a computer that can satisfy Grandma and ubergeek at the same time. OSX and Linux are both that way, and very seldom break. The hated Hipsters get along okay, and power users do as well. And yes, there are a lot of power users that use OSX.
And if the average user wants a device that is completely free of fuss and muss as well as reliable, they can use a Chromebook like the one I'm using right now. Cheap and reliable. And bo
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The least they could do for this compilation of fail is give us machines that are reliable.
Why should they? Reliability costs money: it takes more engineering resources (and higher quality ones too) to make software reliable instead of just slapping features in . Why should MS do this? It'll just detract from their bottom line. They can be more profitable by doing less engineering (and having less engineering staff too), and just letting customers deal with the problems. It's not like the customers are
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The least they could do for this compilation of fail is give us machines that are reliable.
Why should they? Reliability costs money: it takes more engineering resources (and higher quality ones too) to make software reliable instead of just slapping features in . Why should MS do this? It'll just detract from their bottom line. They can be more profitable by doing less engineering (and having less engineering staff too), and just letting customers deal with the problems. It's not like the customers are going to abandon Windows.
That's assuming there is no level at which their customers will abandon them. I've effectively abandoned them for the second time now. "Effectively" because the one program that I need that requires Windows is now taken care of on Mac and uses Windows 7. But they get no more money from me. And I've routed a lot of people to either OSX machines or installed Linux on a lot of people's ex Windows machines. I suspect that there might be some limit to the abuse. In any event, if people are masochists, there is
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The main customer who will not abandon Windows no matter what are businesses (esp. large ones) and governments. The US government just loves MS (plus HP Enterprise); even if all their individual customers and most businesses left them, they could just jack up their prices to $1M per computer and the US government will happily pay that.
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Oh, please. These businesses and governments have been threatening to move to Linux for years and years; they never do. They only say this so they can get a discount from Microsoft when they're negotiating their license costs.
Show me a significant number of companies, or any really large companies, that have actually made a move to Linux. We're all familiar with a small handful of standout examples: City of Munich, Ernie Ball, etc., but these are exceptions, not the norm.
I'd really love it if businesses
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What's really funny is that the apologists/shills (I think most of them are really apologists, not paid shills) have long trotted out the tired old meme about Linux "not having drivers", even though it's mostly BS. Yet Linux never has problems like this where drivers actually get broken in new releases, whereas apparently it's now a real issue with Windows.
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What's really funny is that the apologists/shills (I think most of them are really apologists, not paid shills) have long trotted out the tired old meme about Linux "not having drivers", even though it's mostly BS. Yet Linux never has problems like this where drivers actually get broken in new releases, whereas apparently it's now a real issue with Windows.
I suspect many of the people who Installed Linux but it didn't have drivers either tried that in 1999, or haven't ever touched a Linux powered computer.
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Windows 10 - the gift that keeps on taking.
Linux: Free as in speech.
BSD: Free as in beer.
Windows 10: Free as in herpes.
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Everyone has themselves to blame. If you install win10 voluntary then fuck you. You asked for it, m$ provided. The only question is what to think about, for example a single non-tech parent buying a notebook for their child... I think in that case fuck the OEMs who install shit on their computers. All techies who use windoze 10, fuck you. You asked for it.
A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
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I suspect that Microsoft's plan here is to save money by making Windows 10 Home edition users be the QA team.
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Actually, Barancles Nerdgasm used to work for Microsoft and has a few Youtube videos on Windows 10 which he fully admits is a reasonably fine operating system. However, he pulls no punches when it comes to the privacy features of windows 10 [youtube.com] which he finds appalling.
I installed Windows 10 Genuine Malware edition :-) on a virtual machine running under Linux and even after turning off all the privacy features the OS still likes to call home ( Wireshark [wireshark.org] is your friend here) and that is even before I log in
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...and "You Guessed it" they were all owned by Microsoft.
It would be rather more worrying if they weren't.
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Needless to say, I don't trust Windows 10 and I have not started up its virtual machine since then.
I won't argue that Windows 10 calls home or that it may or may not collect sensitive data. I will however say that if one owns are smart phone or uses one of the major search engines, Windows 10 is in no way worst.
I'm one of those that moved to Windows 10 because I live in the MS world and I honestly like it. I didn't care much about the call home AS LONG as it doesn't ruin my experience using the OS and doesn't send my files just because it can. All signs point to usage data being collected for both OS imp
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I'll have to disagree on that. Windows 10 has many many warts and even more bugs, but Windows ME was actually self destructive. It was an OS we always joked where you did not turn your computer off and on again because a soft reset would make things worse.
For all the Windows 10 bugs I've seen and heard of, it pales in comparison to Windows ME where I'm not sure I've ever seen or heard of an installation that got through it's life without complete system crashes and re-installs.
I'm finding Windows 10 tolerab
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Hopefully by the time 8.1 (if not 7) is reaching EOL they will have given Nutella his walking papers, if they haven't? Well I don't think there will be a Windows business to worry about really, it'll just be legacy installs while everyone is on Google or Apple OSes.
I'm sorry, I completely disagree.
First, I applaud Nadella; he's doing a great job. I for one am really enjoying watching this shit-show. It's very entertaining watching Windows users suffer.
But this idea that MS will go under due to this is si
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Hopefully by the time 8.1 (if not 7) is reaching EOL they will have given Nutella his walking papers, if they haven't? Well I don't think there will be a Windows business to worry about really, it'll just be legacy installs while everyone is on Google or Apple OSes.
I'm sorry, I completely disagree.
First, I applaud Nadella; he's doing a great job. I for one am really enjoying watching this shit-show. It's very entertaining watching Windows users suffer.
But this idea that MS will go under due to this is silly. We're already seeing it now: Win10 is a semi-disaster, but it doesn't matter because customers are sticking with it anyway. It really doesn't matter what MS does, as long as Windows mostly works (just like old British cars mostly worked, they only needed to visit the mechanic a few times a month or so, but they could probably be counted on to work about 50% of the time); most customers simply will not abandon the Windows platform, no matter what. Some home customers might, going to either OSX, iOS, Android, or Chomebooks, but enterprise customers absolutely will not. After all, if your business gets its IT support from HP Enterprise, you already have bigger problems with reliability than Windows 10.
I'm just surprised it took MS this long to realize they had free reign to screw over their customers without any repercussions. It's about time. This will be good for their profitability and their stock price.
Windows 10 was almost awesome! It could have been the next XP/7 if MS kept the QA team and didn't spy on everyone. Yes he did awesomeness with Azure, linux interopibility and Visual Studio, but Windows is freaking trash now and is the glue that holds their ecosystem together.
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Sorry Hairy but did you read the news earlier this week>?
Windows 7/8 will get the same updates starting in October! So will server too! All cumulative.
What I do is use the Windows 10 pro and setup defer updates. This will delay 3 to 4 months any upgrade besides security. It is the only option by October for stability.
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I dread to think what that update will break.
I don't; I look forward to it with glee. I'm having a lot of fun watching Microsoft users being tormented by Windows 10.
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Latest W10 update breaks (Score:2)
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Permanent headline?
It's not going to end you know.
Soon: One last update to end all misery (Score:5, Insightful)
Mark my words: The day will come when an update from Microsoft will nuke the Windows installation beyond repair. ISPs will suddenly see a massive drop in traffic. Downloads and streaming will suddenly be super fast for everybody else. Spam, Ransomware, DDoS Bots and Trojans will vanish from the planet for 24 to 48 hours until people reinstall Windows on their machines and will access infected sites, get infected again... and the whole thing will start all over again :-)
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24-48 hours of good dsl service is worth it.
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Under ideal conditions a 1GB app will take 7 minutes to download at 20Mb. So if you are installing "several", let's say 7, that will take you a little under an hour in the best case. Not what I would call "quickly".
That's assuming everything is perfect and you are the only user, not doing anything else with the connection. Once your household has more than 1 person trying to use the connection, those times at least double. Also, if one of you is saturating the connection, it makes interactive stuff slow for
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I get 1.2 megs a second in Houston Texas. Yes it is bad, but Comcast is my only other option
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Why is it that every time I make a comment about Seattle, referencing posts like yours here (I haven't actually been to Seattle, much less lived there and tried to sign up for ISP service), some Seattle person chimes in telling me that it's all lies and they have no trouble getting high-speed internet service there?
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Quite likely, it'll be worse than before. Many of those machines will be browsing the web without the benefit of all the updates from Microsoft, so a very high infection rate is to be expected.
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They did say that Windows 10 is going to be the last version of Windows.
If they keep this up, then maybe enough people will dump Windows to make that a reality!
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perhaps you have also just described the cyclical nature of the entire universe, including what the big bang (our local one) was. on a cosmic scale, of course.
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I actually wrote about this a few years ago (2008) in my blog:
http://skaag.net/2008/09/17/a-new-big-bang-theory/
I think it's kinda silly and a bit stupid. I did have a few beers while thinking it up. Don't take it seriously please :-)
Re:Soon: One last update to end all misery (Score:4, Insightful)
Aren't you a ray of fucking sunshine
He is. For many of us, such an event would be a major positive development.
Re: Already happened (Score:3)
You publicly admit that you have a Windows computer?
All or nothing forced updates (Score:5, Insightful)
This is the latest demonstration of why the all-or-nothing forced updates coming in October are a terrible idea.
To the devs (Score:2)
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So? (Score:2)
Nothing of value was lost.
Please sue Microsoft already (Score:5, Insightful)
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"Because the defendant has demonstrated a clear and blatant history of low quality, problem-riddled products, and of generally pissing off users, the plaintiff had no reasonable expectation that a mandatory update would permit the computer equipment to continue to function. Case dismissed."
wherefore art thou, QC? (Score:2)
You know what they say... (Score:2)
Windows ain't done until Powershell won't run!
LOLOL (Score:2, Interesting)
And that's why my Win 10 installation process goes:
1) Install
2) Run updates once, make sure everything's ok
3) Disable updates, Cortana, scheduled maintenance, and antimalware from the registry, and disable Windows Search and Superfetch from Services
4) Never worry about an update breaking my system or the never effing ending HDD grinding or SSD wearing
Re: LOLOL (Score:2)
So... No malware fixes?
Powershell on Linux???? NOOOOOOOOO (Score:2)
I read where MS "opensourced" PowerShell and are gonna provide it for Linux.. Geez.. Keep that MS garbage off my computer.. I dumped Windows about 6 years ago for 100% Linux, and it will be a sub-zero day in hell before ANYthing MS writes goes on ANY machine *I* control..... (shudders)
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See? This is a proof that once something goes opensource it instantly becomes less secure more buggy!
Works for me (Score:2)
But then, on a Mac I guess everything Just Works, including Microsoft products... :-)
I think Microsoft constantly breaking Windows is a sort of technological freudian slip. Even they are tired of Windows.
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Until the foxconn mobo gives in, or the thing overheats.
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Other nice things about being on Mac are that you're not distracted by popular video games anymore, and you don't have to worry about new hardware making your laptop obsolete, since Apple seems to have completely abandoned their computer business a few years ago...
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Other nice things about being on Mac are that you're not distracted by popular video games anymore,
Neither are PC users; popular games these days are all for consoles.
Only niche FPS and tactical games ever come out PC only anymore.
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First time i ever saw OSX crash, it was down to microsoft software (msoffice) being installed... I had similar problems with their RDP client too.
No Great Loss. (Score:2)
Maybe this will accelerate Bash integration. I tried to play with the Powershell years ago... YUK! Lets take a shell and make it Object Oriented... Huh? Why? it's a F*ing command prompt. Why oh why make it so complicated?
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Microsoft makes everything so complicated.
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Not only complicated, but different for the sake of being different...
Pretty much every other system has the same standard shell with the same standard commands, maybe adding a few of their own but the basics still all work the same. Why reinvent the wheel (poorly) rather than starting with a standard unix like shell and maybe adding some extras?
That is as expected (Score:2)
MS wans to go back to the bad old days where their products were really crappy, but their revenue was king. So, since Win8, they have tried to fix the damage they did by releasing the actually reasonably good Win7, first by breaking the GUI and now by regularly breaking other things. Of course, this cargo-cult approach will not bring their revenue back, but it will remind everybody what MS really stands for quality-wise: Cheapest possible.
Regressions happen, but... (Score:2)
I understand that sometimes bad things come with updates. Old bugs get back in, compatibility breaks, new bugs are introduced. It happens to every software package sooner or later.
But if Microsoft wants to make updates fully automatic and even put them outside of the user's control, then they need to perform due diligence to minimize the risk of problems. Screwing up your build process in new, exciting, and trivial ways is not cutting it.
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it was always just a shell of shell anyway
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it was always just a shell of shell anyway
sounds somewhat russian, to me. I don't trust it.
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excellent, a missing "a" labels me somewhat Russian, next time i will remember to add Konrad or something
Re:There's a better fix for this... (Score:5, Insightful)
How to fix your PC: http://www.ubuntu.com/download... [ubuntu.com]
How do I run MS Office and Adobe CC on that?
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Libre Office is a good enough alternative to MS Office.
Adobe's stuff is a bit trickier, but try to run it under Wine.
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Your so called Defacto Standard Keeps breaking compatibility with itself whenever a new version of itself is released so what is different?
and yes Libre Office usually has less compatibility issues with MS Office files than MS Office does!
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That hasn't been true since Office 2003, and from Office 2007 onwards with the .docx format it's been pretty much a non-issue for most people. The company I work at has a mixture of 2007, 2010, 2013 and 2016 and does not suffer from compatibility problems. We use some macros, revision/change tracking etc.
I use Libre Office at home. Where it tends to fail badly is on macros. A lot of Excel sheets that use macros to calculate stuff for programmers and electronic designers don't work with it. Otherwise it's fi
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MS office and photoshop lack of linux support is a fake argument and you know it.
But the vast majority of people definitely don't need ms office or photoshop at home
Running Windows at work and Linux at home is silly... Why learn two different OS? That is just more work...
You're just blindly full of MS hate to make that suggestion...
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Well if you have to "run MS Office and Adobe CC" then I feel sorry for you. However if you need to run an office suite that includes a text processor, spreadsheet, presentation and vector drawing, and a photo editing software, then the suggestion of GP is not without merit.
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However if you need to run an office suite that includes a text processor, spreadsheet, presentation and vector drawing, and a photo editing software, then the suggestion of GP is not without merit.
There is a difference between having a "text processor" and Microsoft Word, those two aren't interchangeable...
Then there is "photo editing software", and then there is Adobe Photoshop, again, not the same thing...
For just changing and making adjustments to images, there are a thousand free programs for that. Those programs don't do what Photoshop is really used for however...
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I prefer whiskey....
Re:There's a better fix for this... (Score:5, Insightful)
Many people replied, most were just silly MS hate...
The suggestion of Wine is not a useful one, running applications like Office and Adobe CC in an emulator (or whatever you want to call it) vs the native OS is not likely to be a great experience.
Why bother, when Windows works fine?
The MS hate here is silly, Windows has issues, but so does Linux, neither are perfect...
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The MS hate here is silly, Windows has issues, but so does Linux, neither are perfect...
Another two imperfect things: Adolf Hitler and Mother Theresa.
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Many people replied, most were just silly MS hate...
The suggestion of Wine is not a useful one, running applications like Office and Adobe CC in an emulator (or whatever you want to call it) vs the native OS is not likely to be a great experience.
Why bother, when Windows works fine?
The MS hate here is silly, Windows has issues, but so does Linux, neither are perfect...
You know I was a zealot anti MS guy 15 years ago. Then switched pro MS around Windows 7. Now turning back due to Windows 10.
No Windows did work fine under XP after SP 3 and Windows 7. It does not anymore. Plug in a kindle BAM BSOD. Install AMD Catalyst drivers after last weeks update? BAM need a re-mage to install the driver. Need Powershell DSC ... now need to fire a Windows Server 2012 R2 VM for my labs and certification. This is rediculous.
I would say go Apple, but Apple too has had bugs with updates on
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I think I spotted the flaw in your argument.
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You think that Windows is installed on a billion computers and doesn't work fine?
I think I spotted the flaw in your point...
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Fine in the way that Vista did? Me? "Fine": I do not think that word means what you think it means.
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Programs run "native" with Wine. A simple explanation is that executables compiled as Windows PE binaries instead of Linux ELF just need a different loader to initialize a process and look up dependencies and Wine tries to implement both the loader and most dependencies. That it calls into a Linux kernel instead of an NT kernel is an implementation detail most processes don't care about.
Don't be shocked, but I know that, hence the "or whatever you want to call it" comment...
The problem is... it works until it doesn't... It works until an update breaks it... Then you have no support if it doesn't work...
Yea, sorry, I have real work to do, I can't afford to hope it all works out somehow... Remind me who I call for support if Adobe Premiere Pro has an issue on Linux under Wine?
These are business tools, not toys...
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As many people dislike being spied on without an accesiible opt out for non IT experts, they dislike not having easy and proper control over the installed updates, and they most definitely do not like the idea of RENTING an OS.
The number of people who use Google and FaceBook would seem to refute your statement...
Also, who is renting their OS? I think you have some imagined idea of Windows that doesn't exist for normal people...
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Of course why anyone would run Powershell on Windows when it runs natively on Linux [slashdot.org]...
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Got it.
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Well, there's more to it than "complete disaster". Updates are a disaster. The fact that they are secretive about what telemetry really does is a disaster. The resetting of settings and registry changes made on purpose by the user is a disaster.
I don't think those things are due to engineering incompetence... more like decisions at the upper level that someone hopes will translate into shareholders being happy. Those issues aren't a big deal to a lot of users, and there is a lot of improvements in other
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> This is why I hate going to Slashdot. Not the factually incorrect articles, not the summaries needing proofreading, not the occasional "advertising". It's the asshole users.
As opposed to the asshole MS that force upgrades your Windows 7 / 8 and admits they can't disable tracking [forbes.com].
Methinks your priorities are out of whack.
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So they're killing a useful and surprisingly well designed product because it doesn't fit their "philosophy"? What philosophy is that? Write C# for every little scripting job?
That is not true. MS has a video on Powershell DSC which shows IIS using it for administration. You practically need Powershell DSC to do anything automated on IIS farms or Exchange clusters.
Re: No surprise here (Score:2)
What is PowerShell?
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LIpstick and spyware on a pig.
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Would you do Fast Ring updates if you needed your machine to work because you do actual work with it? I think MS has not thought this "testing" scheme through.
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Why, oh why, do smart people act so foolishly?
Greed, arrogance, narcissism.
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While I think that falls under "greed", good point.
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No idea. I am not into men in latex costumes.
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This broke Windows 10 version 1607. I run it at home, and at work on a couple of test desktops, but i know of no instances of 1607 under our SCCM - for that matter, we only have about a 5% deploy of Windows 10.
So yes, this slipped through, but I think the actual exposure will be quite small. Lots of crowds and torches on slashdot, but this is probably a very small blip.
In fact, by virtue o