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Apple To Make macOS Sierra Available As Automatic Download Beginning Today (loopinsight.com) 132

Remember how Microsoft was pushing Windows 10 updates to your computers? That surely made a lot of people furious. Today, Apple told The Loop that it will also begin automatic download of its latest desktop operating system update, macOS Sierra on Macs that are compatible with the new software -- provided, automatic downloads are switched on and the Mac has enough storage space. From the report: t's important to note that this is not an automatic installer -- this process will only download the update in the background, and then alert you that it is available to install. You can choose to install it when its convenient. You can also choose to ignore the update. [...] Of course, you can manually delete the download if you don't wish to upgrade, and you can choose to manually download the update from the App Store at any time.
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Apple To Make macOS Sierra Available As Automatic Download Beginning Today

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 03, 2016 @04:07PM (#53006387)

    An announcement on the front page of GPGTools.org: "IMPORTANT: GPGMail, our plugin for securing emails using GPG in Mail.app is not yet compatible with macOS Sierra. If you rely on GPGMail, please refrain from updating to macOS Sierra for the time being!" This is kind of important to me, so...

    • An announcement on the front page of GPGTools.org: "IMPORTANT: GPGMail, our plugin for securing emails using GPG in Mail.app is not yet compatible with macOS Sierra. If you rely on GPGMail, please refrain from updating to macOS Sierra for the time being!" This is kind of important to me, so...

      Thank you for providing one of the few useful comments to this article.

  • by UnknowingFool ( 672806 ) on Monday October 03, 2016 @04:20PM (#53006493)

    Windows 10 update was a "Recommended Update" and not an optional one.
    Windows 10 changed the dialog box so that users had to specifically opt out of installing Windows 10.
    Windows 10 installed itself without warning.

    MacOS Sierra downloads if "Automatic Downloads" is enabled.
    Does not install automatically
    Users can ignore the download and not install

    Having worked with OS X machines, this behavior isn't new. As I remember that as far back as Mavericks that it downloaded only if Automatic Downloads was enabled. And it asked for permission to install. Before that, the new OS X showed up as a notification and that you had to run Apple Update to get it.

    • by cristiroma ( 606375 ) on Monday October 03, 2016 @04:35PM (#53006603)
      To add to that, those M$ SOBs went as far as switching the order of the buttons to make you press it by mistake! http://fud.community.services.... [microsoft.com]
    • by keltor ( 99721 ) *
      There's also different levels of automatic updates oh yeah and automatic updates are NOT enabled by default.
      • by Anonymous Coward
        Most of the haters here don't actually own a Mac to actually understand ... Let's all wish them happy freezing with the fresh Windows 10 anniversary update!
        • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

          by Feral Nerd ( 3929873 )

          Most of the haters here don't actually own a Mac to actually understand ...

          No, but they tried a Mac out for all of three minutes at their local Best Buy store and that makes them experts.

        • by amiga3D ( 567632 ) on Monday October 03, 2016 @05:29PM (#53006917)

          I remember how astonished a friend of mine was when he ordered his brand new 2009 iMac and it had absolutely no adware whatsoever. He was blown away that there weren't 150 demo and trial softwares along with all the nag banners and bullshit you get with your typical windows box. He recently installed an SSD drive because the original HD was starting to make the death click noise and he says it's like he got a brand new computer. It seems faster than his wife's new windows laptop he says.

          • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

            MacOS still comes with iTunes, right?

            Also, comparing a random Windows laptop to a random iMac is kind of stupid.

            • And how is his point invalidated that it was a random iMac or a random Windows laptop? It is a fact that all Macs don't normally come with additional adware and that most OEMs install it on PCs. Now if you buy Windows outright, you don't get adware.
    • 20:12 / 20:02 his Windows machine had told him it would reboot itself for an update.

      The time passed and he mentioned how it hadn't restarted for that and I told him that maybe it didn't do that if one was playing a game. .. but surely enough Windows like the idiotic authoritarian knows better shit-product it is rebooted his machine and he was gone from the team. We won 16-14 and he got a two hours ban from leaving the game.

      I assume one can block that behavior with enough leet / admin / group setting skills

      • by amiga3D ( 567632 )

        If you know the mystery of the registry you can have some control. Without that you're at the mercy of the computer.

        • by aliquis ( 678370 )

          Seem like maybe launching Task scheduler and going to Task Scheduler Library > Microsoft & gt; Windows & gt; UpdateOrchestrator and then right click Reboot and choose Disable may do the trick. ... and if Microsoft ever tries to get it back again go to C:\Windows\System32\Tasks\Microsoft\Windows\UpdateOrchestrator rename Reboot to Reboot.bak and make a folder called Reboot so no new Reboot file can be made ..

          http://winaero.com/blog/how-to... [winaero.com]

    • How do I delete the download? I got the alert about installing it this morning, then only saw this news this evening, so it may have already downloaded and I want to clear this out before it gets backed up onto my time machine.

  • what a load. (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Gravis Zero ( 934156 ) on Monday October 03, 2016 @04:27PM (#53006549)

    Remember how Microsoft was pushing Windows 10 updates to your computers? That surely made a lot of people furious.

    of course... but what does that have to do with the macOS update that you can choose to ignore? surely you aren't baiting me or conflating clearly different approaches to a situation, right?

    you know what does make a lot of people furious, bullshit summaries that try to bait people, exactly like this summary.

    • by keltor ( 99721 ) *
      There's actually 4 different automatic updates settings. One of the options is install OS X/MacOS updates. Uncheck that and you ONLY don't get OS updates (aka point releases and major versions.) That is separate from system file and security updates.
      • by dgatwood ( 11270 )

        Why would you ever want to turn off point releases, though? Those are all small patches, and almost never make major changes to the user experience or severely break your apps. Automatically downloading a major release is a completely different matter....

        • Cell or satellite connections. The updates are not always small.
          • What I really miss about macOS is the concept of a cellular connection. I've never understood why iPads have a cellular option, but Macs don't. Now using the iPhone as a hotspot is very easy but even then, why doesn't the Mac have a data-saving feature of some sorts?

  • This was my preferred method of receiving updates in Windows when I had that option, Vista, 7, 8.1, before 10 disabled the function. I don't understand why comparing a function removed from Windows in version 10 to Windows 10 makes any sense.
  • by BigBuckHunter ( 722855 ) on Monday October 03, 2016 @05:16PM (#53006847)
    Re: Remember how Microsoft was pushing Windows 10 updates to your computers?

    No, I do not remember, because I'm a Mac user.
    • by amiga3D ( 567632 )

      Damn, that was rude. Funny though.

  • by zerofoo ( 262795 ) on Monday October 03, 2016 @08:04PM (#53007785)

    Make sure you don't need it before you update.

    Yes, yes - PPTP needs to go into the trash bin - but there are devices that do not yet support L2TP or IPSEC (I'm looking at you Ubiquiti).

    • What's the point of an encrypted VPN that anybody can decrypt within minutes?
      • Just to mention one ridiculous use case of PPTP: In Austria, Italy, Belgium, and the Netherlands; ADSL connections run PPTP on top of a PPP over ATM (PPPoA) connection. So if you only have a modem (to which your device connects via PPTP), and directly connect your Mac to it, I suppose you are screwed now.
  • Does it fix SMB issues often encountered in mixed OS networks?
  • I had to trick Apple into upgrading to 10.12 on a 2009 Mac Pro, it seems they don't want to support old machines that leave all their current offerings in the dust. The OS still supports it of course, since a 2009 is internally identical to a supported 2010, so you can force the upgrade anyway and have a "working" system (at least as far as OS X/macOS ever works, which is barely)

  • I have 32gb RAM and 2x 2.8ghz Xeons, but my 2008 Mac Pro won't run Sierra. Why the hell not?

  • There's no comparison between this behavior and what MSFT did with Window 10. The system preferences for the App Store lets you specify whether you want automatic downloading done, automatic installation of downloaded apps, and/or automatic installation of OS/X updates (and I'm not even sure a new version of OS/X counts as an OS/X update). And by default, IIRC, it doesn't install anything. Apple leaves you in full control of when or whether the update occurs. Windows, on the other hand, did its very be

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