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Silicon Valley Investors Call For California To Secede From the US After Trump Win (theguardian.com) 1368

An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Guardian: As Donald Trump's shock election victory reverberated around Silicon Valley late on Tuesday night, some high-profile technologists were already calling for California to secede from the United States. The broader west coast is a stronghold for the Democrats, and significantly more politically progressive and racially diverse than large swathes of central U.S. California is also the biggest economy in the U.S. and the sixth largest in the world with a gross state product of $2.496 trillion for 2015, according to the IMF. The campaign for independence -- variously dubbed Calexit, Califrexit and Caleavefornia -- has been regarded as a fringe movement. But support was revitalized by influential Uber investor and Hyperloop co-founder Shervin Pishevar, in a series of tweets announcing his plans to fund a "legitimate campaign for California to become its own nation" -- posted even before the full results were in. A few hours later, Hillary Clinton conceded the election to Trump, and Pishevar told CNBC that he was serious about Calexit. "It's the most patriotic thing I can do," he said, adding that the resulting nation would be called New California. "We can re-enter the union after California becomes a nation. As the sixth largest economy in the world, the economic engine of the nation and provider of a large percentage of the federal budget, California carries a lot of weight," he said. Pishevar was supported by others in Silicon Valley. Angel investor Jason Calacanis said that California succession would be simple in the wake of both Brexit and a Trump win. Evan Low, a Democrat serving in the California state assembly, said that he'd support the introduction of a bill to start the independence process. The proposal illustrates the technology industry's frustration with Trump over his repeated criticisms of Silicon Valley companies. Trump has said in the past that he would make Apple build computers in the U.S. He also thinks Amazon CEO "Jeff Bezos bought the Washington Post to exert political power and avoid paying taxes, and claimed that Mark Zuckerberg's push for specialist immigration would actually decrease opportunities for American women and minorities." In July, 145 technology leaders wrote in an open letter about how "Trump would be a disaster for innovation."
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Silicon Valley Investors Call For California To Secede From the US After Trump Win

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  • this is (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @11:33PM (#53253549)

    This is a little dramatic.

    • Re:this is (Score:5, Insightful)

      by amiga3D ( 567632 ) on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @11:45PM (#53253619)

      Reminds me of a 3 year old throwing a tantrum because they didn't get a toy they wanted in Walmart.

      • Re:this is (Score:5, Insightful)

        by jdunn14 ( 455930 ) <jdunn@nospam.iguanaworks.net> on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @11:50PM (#53253659) Homepage

        Pretty similar. Also similar to tantrums thrown by the other side 4 and 8 years ago and again 12 years ago on the dem side. There be drama queens everywhere. My favorite was probably anti-Obamacare threats to move to Canada. Someone didn't think that one through.

      • by Okian Warrior ( 537106 ) on Thursday November 10, 2016 @12:11AM (#53253781) Homepage Journal

        Wow.

        The protest in NYC [twimg.com] is pretty big.

        Regarding California, after it seceeds, where will they get water?

        • by Okian Warrior ( 537106 ) on Thursday November 10, 2016 @12:15AM (#53253803) Homepage Journal

          And reports of teargas being used on protesters in Oakland!

          It's going to be a long night.

          (After weeks of being told to accept the election outcome, anything else is an attack on democracy. Sheesh!)

        • by skam240 ( 789197 ) on Thursday November 10, 2016 @01:27AM (#53254277)

          Um, California doesnt really get water from outside the state to any great degree. It's the California part of the Rockies that provides the snow pack that feeds the water needs of Southern California and the Valley. The rest of the state makes due with its own reservoirs.

          • by slew ( 2918 ) on Thursday November 10, 2016 @04:21AM (#53255103)

            Um, California doesnt really get water from outside the state to any great degree. It's the California part of the Rockies that provides the snow pack that feeds the water needs of Southern California and the Valley. The rest of the state makes due with its own reservoirs.

            I think you need a geography lesson. As far as the maps I'm aware of, no part of the Rockies where the Colorado river originates are within the borders of California.

            AFAIK, In Northern California most of the water comes from Sierra Nevada range. In the central valley, about 1/2 comes from the Sierra Nevada and another 1/2 from underground aquifers. Unfortunately for Southern California, most of their water comes from the Colorado River.

            I used to live in CO, and the issues surrounding the Colorado River Pact of 1922 continues to be a *major* political issue in Colorado. Over the last 50 years, California has been using more that its allocated portion of water (which is allowed by the pact when there is a surplus), but California has also been using its influence in congress to block other states from creating reservoirs to capture surplus for drought years. Sometimes in drought years can get pretty acrimonious, and agriculture concerns in Colorado call out California for conspiring to steal water by blocking reservoir projects.

            If CA were to secede, I'm sure northern CA would be fine, but I suspect southern CA would need to get major concessions to get the "bonus" water they have been relying on from the Colorado river basin.

  • Typical (Score:5, Insightful)

    by rossz ( 67331 ) <ogre@geekbik[ ]net ['er.' in gap]> on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @11:33PM (#53253553) Homepage Journal

    I'll be these same people pointed and laughed when Texans said the same thing.

    • Re: Typical (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @11:36PM (#53253563)

      It's different when libtards do it. They're the right people doing it for the right reasons, racist!

      • by amiga3D ( 567632 )

        I wonder how California would feel after it's secession when we cut their fucking water off. That State drains water from all their neighbors. Good luck growing almonds.

        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          by creimer ( 824291 )

          I wonder how California would feel after it's secession when we cut their fucking water off. That State drains water from all their neighbors. Good luck growing almonds.

          You're aware that California grows 2/3 of the US crops? California water needs would drastically shrink if we didn't have to feed the rest of the world.

          • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

            by HornWumpus ( 783565 )

            2/3 of some crops. Nowhere close to 2/3 of the total dollar value.

          • Re: Typical (Score:5, Informative)

            by yndrd1984 ( 730475 ) on Thursday November 10, 2016 @01:11AM (#53254185)

            You're aware that California grows 2/3 of the US crops?

            You must mean 2/3 of the crop species. California only produces about 11% of the food grown in the US (by value) and has more than 12% of the population. Iowa has less than a tenth as many people and produces more than 2/3 the crop value that Cali does. 'You', or rather the state you're in, produce a variety of fruits and veggies. But the grain and grain-fed meat that make up the bulk of what people in the US eat comes from the Midwest.

          • Re: Typical (Score:4, Funny)

            by myowntrueself ( 607117 ) on Thursday November 10, 2016 @01:49AM (#53254435)

            I wonder how California would feel after it's secession when we cut their fucking water off. That State drains water from all their neighbors. Good luck growing almonds.

            You're aware that California grows 2/3 of the US crops? California water needs would drastically shrink if we didn't have to feed the rest of the world.

            'The rest of the world'?

            That would be 'world' as in 'world series'.

        • Re: Typical (Score:4, Funny)

          by TechyImmigrant ( 175943 ) on Thursday November 10, 2016 @01:40AM (#53254367) Homepage Journal

          I wonder how California would feel after it's secession when we cut their fucking water off. That State drains water from all their neighbors. Good luck growing almonds.

          Speaking as one of those neighboring states, we expect to go along with them for the ride and we've got lots of water.

    • Re:Typical (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Ol Olsoc ( 1175323 ) on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @11:38PM (#53253581)

      I'll be these same people pointed and laughed when Texans said the same thing.

      Actually, most of them were in favor of Texas seceding.

      • Re:Typical (Score:4, Insightful)

        by SvnLyrBrto ( 62138 ) on Thursday November 10, 2016 @01:22AM (#53254259)

        Really, I think it was a mistake to stop the south from leaving in the first place. Sure, the bar should be set pretty high... like a 3/4ths or so supermajority vote with multiple affirmative referenda over a few years... to prevent secession at a whim. But it's pretty damn hypocritical to revere the text of the Declaration of Independence so and to go on with statements about the rights of self-determination in the rest of the world; but to deny the people of California or Texas or whatever other state to go their own way when the citizens decide that Washington DC isn't working for them.

    • by hey! ( 33014 )

      Texas has never wanted to secede. Just some kooks who live there.

    • Re:Typical (Score:5, Insightful)

      by h33t l4x0r ( 4107715 ) on Thursday November 10, 2016 @12:41AM (#53253995)
      Wait though, it's not "Californians" who are calling for secession, it's a handful of crybaby tech billionaires.
      • Re:Typical (Score:5, Insightful)

        by TheDarkMaster ( 1292526 ) on Thursday November 10, 2016 @06:29AM (#53255517)
        This. And in my honest opinion, if the 1% are in panic then it's a good thing
      • Re:Typical (Score:5, Interesting)

        by TheRaven64 ( 641858 ) on Thursday November 10, 2016 @08:02AM (#53255775) Journal
        And they're the same ones that were pushing Hilary so hard, instead of someone who might have won for the Democrats. The Republicans put up the least popular candidate that they've ever run (and one who did worse in terms of received votes than their last two candidates). All of the opinion polls during the primaries showed that any one of the Democratic candidates other than Hilary would have easily won. So the DNC, backed by a lot of Silicon Valley money picked the one candidate who only had a 50:50 chance. Well done guys: you are responsible for Trump winning, you don't get to run away from it.
      • Re:Typical (Score:5, Insightful)

        by StatureOfLiberty ( 1333335 ) on Thursday November 10, 2016 @09:21AM (#53256193)

        Plus it is exactly the wrong answer. I didn't vote for him. I never dreamed he'd actually get elected. But, I really do hope he shakes things up a bit. Like continuing to point out that representatives rarely actually represent their constituents. I know this is by no means a sure thing. But, if people would work to mold the change in a helpful direction instead of just assuming all change will be bad and therefore dig in or retreat something good might result.

        We have to get out of this 'rah rah my team' mentality and start looking for ways to influence the process in a positive way. We have to hope he greatly exceeds our expectations. And we have to make sure we don't poison the political atmosphere so it is impossible for him to do so.

        Considering that we have been stuck in a political quagmire for years, it is time for some change. I wish the voters had picked a different agent for change. There is a lot to not like about Trump. But they are absolutely correct that change is needed.

  • by DaveyJJ ( 1198633 ) on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @11:36PM (#53253565) Homepage
    That's rich.
  • It has to suck (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @11:39PM (#53253583)

    It has to suck after you make all these of those "donations" and get nothing back in return.

  • Progressives (Score:4, Insightful)

    by JWW ( 79176 ) on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @11:39PM (#53253585)

    They are doing everything, EVERY. GOD. DAMNED. thing they said would be unacceptable for Trump supporters to do if Hillary won.

    They have NO self awareness, NONE.

    • Re:Progressives (Score:4, Interesting)

      by skam240 ( 789197 ) on Thursday November 10, 2016 @02:15AM (#53254557)

      A handful of Silicon Valley elites = action by all progressives?

      Good work! I would say that by applying incredibly broad generalities to a large group of people based on the actions of a handful you are definitely part of some sort of solution rather than part of the problem.

      You? Part of the problem!? With mass generalities based on the actions of an incredible few like that, that would be absurd! Why would anyone mark you flamebait?

  • by Applehu Akbar ( 2968043 ) on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @11:40PM (#53253597)

    If California becomes a country, presumably one with an open southern border and an H-1B peonage system of its own, it would have to implement some form of defense department. Would it have electric dirigible aircraft, wind-powered missiles and a Department Of Hugging It Out?

  • by Nyder ( 754090 ) on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @11:40PM (#53253599) Journal

    You pushed for Clinton, even though Sanders was a better candidate. What did you expect?

  • by hsmith ( 818216 ) on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @11:41PM (#53253603)
    Trump would throw a wrench into their cheap labor and displacing jobs. Threatens their business models.
  • by RichPowers ( 998637 ) on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @11:52PM (#53253669)

    As much as I despise Donald Trump, seeing these haughty Progressives eat a buffet of crows warms the cockles of my heart.

    For the last 90 years, the Ivy League-armed technocrats of the Progressive apparatus have waged a relentless war against state sovereignty in their march to greater political and economic consolidation in D.C. and NYC. Only the "leadership" from the PhDs in D.C. matter, plebs. We'll control your healthcare, collude with the media to control the agenda, concentrate more power in the unelected bureaucracy that grows like a weed in Northern Virginia, and then call anyone who supports states' rights (aka federalism aka competitive sovereignty) a racist or neo-Confederate.

    Fuck you. You made this bed. Now lie in it. Enjoy Trump turning the gun of the federal leviathan you created right in your face. Applauding for Obama's "I'm going it alone" screed when the Democrats lost Congress doesn't seem like a wise precedent now does it? But let's be honest: you only like democracy when it goes your way, otherwise you pout.

    By the way, these same Silicon Valley assholes and California Democrats have made fun of Northern California's "State of Jefferson" secession movement for decades.

    Seeing the Obama elitists go down in flames in Congress and the executive puts a big ol' smile on my face. The next blow against these Silicon Valley fucks will be the bursting of the zero percent interest rate bubble blown by the Fed (another wonderful gift from the Progressives), which will wipe out the GAAP non-profitable bullshit "app" companies in the Valley. (This is probably why they hate Trump, though: he's mentioned that we're in a bubble and it's the Fed's fault.)

    Truthfully, though, the Democratic party and the country would be better off if they did leave. As long as the Dems in the Bay Area foist Pelosi, Boxer, and Harris on the rest of the republic, the party will be repugnant to most of the Rust Belt and places like New Hampshire, where citizens still value freedom and being left the fuck alone.

  • Well now (Score:5, Funny)

    by 93 Escort Wagon ( 326346 ) on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @11:54PM (#53253693)

    ... some high-profile technologists were already calling for California to secede from the United States.

    It's nice to see they've remained well-rooted in reality.

  • by rjthomas61 ( 310385 ) * on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @11:58PM (#53253719)

    The US Civil War was fought to decide this issue. States cannot secede from the US. Investors aren't stupid, so what are they trying to show? That they think we must be? That they'll throw money at anything drawing attention to their displeasure with the president-elect?

    That making a hyperbolic proposition as an opening is just part of the art of the deal?

    • by guises ( 2423402 )
      A state can't succeed unilaterally, but in principle if it was a mutual separation, approved by congress... Well that hasn't been tested, but that doesn't seem outside the range of plausibility.

      Of course, congress would never approve such a separation because, as the summary points out, California provides an awful lot of the nation's GDP. It would be a serious economic hit, in addition to all of the other issues that would raise.
  • by johncandale ( 1430587 ) on Thursday November 10, 2016 @12:13AM (#53253791)
    Shervin Pishevar, born in Iran. You know going forward with this idea he is only helping to strengthen trump's supporters idea that we are being invaded by Asians, Latinos and middle-easterners that care nothing about our history or country??
  • by Phydeaux314 ( 866996 ) on Thursday November 10, 2016 @12:22AM (#53253861) Homepage

    Anything posted in the immediate aftermath of the election is part of coping, so I take this sort of thing with a great heaping helping of salt. The right wing did it when Obama was elected, after all, and outside some squawking about birth certificates nothing came of it.

    Whether or not it sputters out in this case depends on what happens in the first three to six months after Trump takes office. If he ends up more moderate than he was on the campaign trail, then things will almost certainly continue on as usual (so to speak). We'll probably see some regressive tax policy changes and erosion of various minority and women's rights, but nothing too catastrophic. The poor will get poorer, the rich will get richer, and the environment will continue to get worse at the same rate it is today.

    Alone, those things aren't enough to spur serious action.

    If, however, he manages to convince the Senate and Congress to go along with some of his wackier campaign promises, then there's a very real chance things could get serious quickly.

    - If he trashes too many social support nets, then all bets are off. If you and your family are starving, you'll do pretty much anything to get food, and if it happens in bulk you have the spark of revolution on your hands. Throw a heavy-handed response to rioting and you have martyrs and a circle of escalating violence.
    - If he makes enough blatantly discriminatory changes and gets them through a stacked Supreme Court, he could provoke enough ire to prompt serious nonviolent secession talk. If, for example, he bans all Muslims or Mexicans from entering the country, and his ban survives a supreme court challenge, California will look long and hard at the idea of leaving because there's a large enough majority of people that don't agree with that kind of action here to support that.

    If all he does is chip away at the progress made in the last ten or twenty years, he'll be fine. If he starts taking a pickaxe to things that have been part of America for the last sixty or seventy, all bets are off.

  • Boo Hoo (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Mr307 ( 49185 ) on Thursday November 10, 2016 @12:24AM (#53253875)

    *RANT ON*
    Its getting tiring, this shrill end of the world, he/she said something bad so I have to cry now nonsense. I could say something coherent about words not hurting but i'm ranting so another time.

    And then, when I read an article like this all I can think about is 'them'(and if I wasn't ranting I would say all people who dont get their way, not just 1 side or another), saying 'BOO HOO, we didn't get our way so now we are going to kick down the sand castle and take all our toys'.

    Sound like a bunch of smug self righteous children, grow up.

    200+ years of history and not everyone got their way every time, sometimes you have to play the long game and put in the real work.
    *RANT OFF*

    That felt good, thanks for listening.

  • Here's an idea (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Vinegar Joe ( 998110 ) on Thursday November 10, 2016 @12:30AM (#53253919)

    Just give California back to the Mexicans.

  • by DNS-and-BIND ( 461968 ) on Thursday November 10, 2016 @12:36AM (#53253967) Homepage

    I can't believe what gigantic babies they are. What, did they expect that for the rest of their natural lives, that they would win every single election, ever? Apparently so.

    And now, that their side lost, instead of moving forward, they are bawling like infants and want to quit. We saw this with Brexit as well. Highly educated people, professionals, and they just pitched a shit-fit because they lost. I couldn't believe the rage that Ph.D's were capable of. But they sure can lecture everyone else about how we have to accept it when things go their way.

    Democracy is awesome.

    • by Phydeaux314 ( 866996 ) on Thursday November 10, 2016 @12:46AM (#53254041) Homepage

      I think it has a lot less to do with losing - the left has lost before, after all - but with who it lost to and what that person has indicated he wants to do to the nation.

      Both sides have to deal with losing and the pain of seeing one's own view of what the nation should be ignored or overruled. That's part and parcel of politics, and has been for... well, as long as there have been opposing views. I see a lot of people worried that the changes Trump wants to implement will result in their direct loss of life and liberty.

      If, for example, Trump follows through with his promise to deport all illegal residents, the fourteen year old sister of a friend of mine will lose her mother. She doesn't have Mexican citizenship, and her mother doesn't have U.S. citizenship. If he follows through with his campaign promises to roll back LGBT rights, then some of my friends may no longer be counted as married. If he follows through with his ban on Muslims, several of my classmates that are here on scholarships may be forced to return to their countries of origin instead of applying for citizenship like they planned on doing. If he stacks the supreme court and overturns Roe vs. Wade, many women will die due to seeking unsafe and back-alley abortions. If he repeals Obamacare, I will lose health insurance, and as a type 1 diabetic that's kind of a big deal for me.

      So it's not just losing, its the very real possibility of having families broken apart, futures ruined, and lived destroyed. That's why many liberals and centrists are appalled at Trump's victory.

      • by Solandri ( 704621 ) on Thursday November 10, 2016 @01:46AM (#53254415)

        If, for example, Trump follows through with his promise to deport all illegal residents, the fourteen year old sister of a friend of mine will lose her mother. She doesn't have Mexican citizenship, and her mother doesn't have U.S. citizenship.

        I didn't (and don't) support Trump. But presumably she's in this position because her parents entered the U.S. illegally and she was born in the U.S., thus granting her U.S. citizenship by birth? The remedy in her case is:

        • For her parents to fill out the paperwork to give her Mexican citizenship. Children born of a Mexican parent [wikipedia.org] while outside of Mexico automatically qualify for Mexican citizenship.
        • Or if the friend of yours is an older sibling and over 21, for her to fill out a I-130 Petition for Alien Relative visa [uscis.gov] for the mother, which is the first step to getting a Green Card and eventual citizenship.

        These things have a procedure you're supposed to follow before you're supposed to enter the country. Just because she finds herself screwed because she (or her parents) tried to cheat and violated that procedure doesn't entitle her to a sympathy waiver when others are all required to follow the same legal procedure. It's disingenuous to try to blame the system or Trump for being cruel to her situation, when her situation is entirely her parents' creation.

        Nearly my entire extended family was granted green cards and eventually U.S. citizenship via the latter process. Took a few years, but this is one of the more accessible means of obtaining a green card. She's fortunate that she even has U.S. citizenship. The U.S. is one of the few countries which grants citizenship just because you happen to be born on U.S. soil [wikipedia.org]. Yes her mother will have to leave the U.S. while she waits for the visa application to be processed. No that is not the fault of the U.S., since she wasn't supposed to be in the country in the first place. Immigration is a stickler about this - even U.S. citizens who get married and apply for their spouse to get citizenship are required to have the spouse first leave the country and wait until the spouse visa application is approved.

        I don't have a problem with illegal immigrants as people. One of the hardest workers I've ever met turned out to be in the country illegally. But it makes little sense to have more lenient rules for obtaining citizenship for people who entered the country illegally, than for people trying to enter the country legally and following the proper procedure. That would destroy any motivation to even try to follow the legal procedure.

  • by sinij ( 911942 ) on Thursday November 10, 2016 @12:40AM (#53253991)
    If Texas didn't secede after Obama got elected, I am sure a bunch of spoiled silicon valley plutocrats won't either. They should buy more electric cars or whatever is far-left equivalent to guns&ammo.
  • by Chewbacon ( 797801 ) on Thursday November 10, 2016 @12:58AM (#53254119)

    Florida wanted to do the same thing after the last election. Yeah, go ahead, and send Cali into an even deeper financial crisis. Property values will crash and your currency won't be worth shit. On the east coast, look at property values of the south compared to that of the north and you'll see the south is STILL paying for trying to secede from the union. Clearly Cali has been smoking weed longer than it's been legalized.

    And quit your bitching. You all rallied behind Hillary waving signs that said "stronger together." Put your fucking money where your mouth is and heed the advice coming from that liberal-Jesus Obama when he says support the Donald. It is done. Likewise, Donald stood on stage and said he wants to be president for everyone - call him on it.

  • by Lord Kano ( 13027 ) on Thursday November 10, 2016 @01:13AM (#53254203) Homepage Journal

    Yes, I get it. You don't like Trump. I don't like Trump either.

    There was a lot of bluster and bitching but Texas didn't really try to secede from the Union when Obama was elected or re-elected and they dislike Obama as much as you dislike Trump.

    Stop throwing a fucking tantrum and grow up.

    LK

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