Samsung Really, Really Wants Developers To Build Tizen Apps (theinquirer.net) 122
Samsung wants developers to build apps for its homegrown Tizen mobile operating system, and it is offering cash prizes to do so. From a report on The Inquirer:The firm has launched the Tizen Mobile App Incentive Programme, which offers devs whose apps feature in the top 100 most downloaded rankings (can't be that hard, surely) a $10,000 reward. The firm will pay up to $1m a month from February to September 2017, Samsung said, making a total of $9m up for grabs. Developers will be able to sign up for the Tizen incentive programme from January 2017, and the firm explained that applications must be developed using the Tizen SDK and aimed at the Tizen-powered Samsung Z1, Z2 and Z3.
Noted... (Score:1)
We Really, Really don't give a fuck about yet another proprietary and/or Tivo-ized OS...
Tizen proprietary? (Score:3)
By proprietary, if you mean 'belongs to a company', that is right. If you mean it's not open source, then you're wrong, since it is Linux. Since Replicant hasn't been hitting the shelves, good luck finding a non TiVo-ized OS
Speaking of which, even Android is TiVo-ized, since you can't install your modified version of Android on your phone w/o breaking things
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Speaking of which, even Android is TiVo-ized, since you can't install your modified version of Android on your phone w/o breaking things
Just "breaking things" isn't what makes something Tivoized. It's when the system is designed to prevent executing custom or modified code through the use of something like digital signatures. A locked phone which normally runs a modified version of GNU/Linux and also refuses to execute code that isn't signed by the carrier would be an example of Tivoized hardware, but the Android software itself isn't Tivoized at all.
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Tivo-ized refers to the using of Open Source software and preventing the update of said software on the Tivo-ized device. How is your standard Android phone not a perfect example of this?
You are stupid beyond measure.
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Please choose one of the following option:
1. So long and thanks for all the fish.
2. I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
3.The blue pill.
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http://incentive.tizenstore.co... [tizenstore.com] is where the program is outlined.
It gets worse (Score:2, Offtopic)
From the story:
Like WIRED, the INQUIRER admits that its engineers are incompetent at falling back to alternative advertising providers that do not track users. From its technical support page [theinquirer.net]:
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But because it was posted here, it was routed straight to the web search engines.
Begun... (Score:3)
Begun the fart app wars have.
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Huh, it's weird pretending Apple doesn't exist.
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Not on the Android OS
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Tizen isn't Android either.
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Tizen offers precisely nothing that Android doesn't already have, apart from lock-in to Samsung's eco system, with it's also-ran alternatives to things Google/Android already does far better (S-Voice is garbage, for instance).
I had one Tizen device, a Gear S watch. As soon as Android Wear arrived, I got rid of it.
Re:Please let Tizen succeed (Score:5, Interesting)
Tizen is also a nightmare to program for.
Tizen is just an OS, but the underlying foundation is E! (Enlightenment, if you're not up to date on your old fancy X window managers), or more correctly, the E Foundation Libraries (similar to ones like QT and GNOME).
And if you've never done E!, well, someone more eloquent has stated the numerous issues with it.
https://what.thedailywtf.com/t... [thedailywtf.com]
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wow. E! had a lot of configurability, but I never successfully set up a work environment in it (this was probably around E! 15 or 16 I think... been around 8 years). I can't imagine using it for mobile. Never got low level enough to work with the Foundation Libs. Sounds like I lucked out.
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The Foundation Libs never existed 8 years ago. Or at least a stable version of them didn't. They were gestating in the CVS repository for over ten years.
Enlightenment 0.16 has been around since, er, 1999 or so, and its only non-standard dependency was Imlib2.
Enlightenment DR17, the first version to be based on EFL, was only released in 2012.
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Tizen is also a nightmare to program for.
It's just X windows isn't it? I guess you have to use E for some interfacing, but otherwise, its XCreateSimpleWindow() all the way!
I actually like X.
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I had a chat with a few of the developers at FOSDEM a few years ago. They were very proud of their new object model and IDL that they thought would make it easy for people to attach scripting languages and create bindings for other languages. It had never occurred to them that 'char*' is not enough type information for a useful binding to another language (is it for input, output, or both? Is it null terminated, or is it's length passed in another parameter? Is it actually an array of characters [and, i
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And if you've never done E!, well, someone more eloquent has stated the numerous issues with it.
Ecstacy's had a bad rap
The drug's OK but the music's crap
Techno's made with computer cable
Sampling machine and an old turntable
Get a loop, then cut and paste her
Buy a trip and lick the paper
There's new school, old school, prep school too
There's DJs that nobody knew
But now they're known - for doing what?
Ideas? Music? Melody? Nup.
They don't sing, they're not able.
They put a record on a turntable.
- TISM, Fatboy Slim Dusty
Please let Tizen die (Score:1)
If they want it to succeed they should make the API compatible with Android. There's already too many incompatible mobile OS's. Look at all the wasted effort developers have to do writing two versions of the app, one for iOS and one for android.
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Samsung is not exactly making an effort in making it succeed. The three phones listed are for the Indian market only.
That being said, $10k is a lot of money in India.
Where are the developer phones? (Score:3, Insightful)
If Samsung wants developers to make Tizen apps, Samsung should be putting Tizen phones in the hands of developers.
Re:Where are the developer phones? (Score:4, Funny)
They must have a large stockpile of Galaxy Note 7's somewhere.
Surely they could give those away.
(assuming they can run whatever this "Tizen" thing is)
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I thought the plan was to give away all Note7s to North Korea.
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Advice (Score:4, Funny)
Talk to (or just buy) BlackBerry. I'm sure they'd be a wealth of information on how to woo Android developers.
So does Apple. Just ask Apple (the Beatles), (Score:2)
A made-up word has the best trademark protection, and for good reason.
You say Blackberry means something, consider Apple. Apple means something, and that killed the Apple ][ .
The Beatles brand name was Apple. They called their record company Apple Records and their holding company Apple Corps. The records featured a logo of an apple.
A bit later, Steve Jobs also thought Apple was a good brand name. After a few years there were law suits. In 1978 Apple (computers) had to pay Apple (records) chunk of money, w
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Didn't work for OS/2 and hasn't for anyone else ever since.
OS/2 runs win3.x software in physical multi-threading by spawning multiple instances of (more or less real) windows. Far superior to running them on windows natively (running windows on the hardware directly).
Skimpy amounts of RAM didn't make this fun on some cheap computers, of course.
Windows on Windows (WoW) allows Windows NT versions to run 16 bit Windows 3.x applications. I (sadly) run Windows 3.1 applications daily at work, and they run pretty solid on Windows 7 32 bit compared to Windows 3.1. They even run on Windows 8.x and 10 (32 bit)!
Windows on Windows 64 (WoW64) allows 64 bit versions of Windows to run 32 bit applications. Aside from the abortion of names used in the registry (Wow6432Node) and program files, usually run pretty seamless.
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Didn't help that OS/2 itself was expensive. Also, people upgraded to a PC with 4MB to run Doom ; it sounds like you could have use this cutting edge PC to safely multitask Solitaire and Paint after spending hundreds on software, and I fail to see what the point is. I don't ever remember Windows 3.1 crashing on home computers.
Now, some real linux on a phone with an Android sandbox that can be firewalled, deleted, updated etc. at will, I would like to see that. Just like running a whole Windows 7 VM with gigs
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people upgraded to a PC with 4MB to run Doom
4MB wasn't really enough for OS/2. 8MB was really a minimum for it to be useful. And, back then, another 4MB of RAM cost 10-20% of the total cost of a decent computer.
I don't ever remember Windows 3.1 crashing on home computers
Perhaps the phrase 'general protection fault' will jog your memory.
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Really? (Score:2)
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Eventually, some of the hardware people will realise that once they have amortized their dev costs, the marginal cost of the same part is close to zero, and someone will start releasing "bog standard" hardware. With several OSes able to support it, the OSes will specialise (Like
If Samsung really wants that... (Score:5, Insightful)
If Samsung really wants that, how about making Tizen actual open source instead of pretend open source?
Agreed, the NX1 community is asking (Score:3, Insightful)
Samsung's reputation... (Score:2)
...is not so good [vanityfair.com]. Such an app store is more likely to abuse developers than Apple or Google (who themselves are no angels).
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Well.... there was the Firefox OS which is open source.
I guess Tizen would have the benefit of the Samsung name... But as soon as standard consumer buys the latest Galaxy X and it doesn't come with all the Google spy..er..software they know and love they will return it and buy something that can run bejeweled or whatever.
I am really not sure how even Samsung could pull this one off. If Microsoft couldn't do it, I am not sure what kind of chance Samsung has.
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This would effectively compete with Google. Using the very developers that write for Googl
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Who in their right mind would ever implement a Java-based API on their smartphone given the Oracle-Google lawsuit?
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In the distant past, Tizen used to be Maemo, based on QT and apt. Now I agree that the pustulent thing it became is hardly worthy of life. But it is alive and the plug won't be pulled any time soon. No matter how awful the source code is, it would be better if it was public. And they should think hard about going back to QT/apt.
Q: When did Tizen nee Maemo first turn into a huge steaming pile?
A: When Intel got involved.
Meh (Score:2)
Well, at least they seem to be putting more effort into it than Microsoft did for mobile. :P
We really don't need more proprietary competing platforms in the wearable, mobile and IoT market.
I'd be all for Tizen if it was open source, but at this point it just sounds to me like the horrible crap software they put on smart tvs.
They are all fast outdated, after developers put out the first stable version they never update the software anymore, and it's a horrible experience in comparison to almost anything else
Let it dual boot stock (Score:3)
If Samsung wants developers and users play with Tizen, why don't they have all / most of their phones dual boot with both android and tizen as the alternate. The people who aren't interested won't probably even notice it is there. The developer and power users will be able to start playing with it and possibly gain interest / marketshare.
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Samsung is on fire (Score:2)
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And developers have a burning desire to capture those markets. Mobile development, in general, is so hot right now -- almost too hot.
I feel like there can only be two (Score:1)
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It's a good Idea, but if there's no money there won't good / attractive GUIs (linux is ugly, embedded linux is worse).
Tizen store policy (Score:2)
From Validation Guidelines [tizen.org]:
This is likely to prove inconvenient to users as Samsung expands Tizen from phones to larger devices such as tablets. Enjoy your 10-inch four-function calculator.
Another set of three rules taken together would make several kinds of video game impractical to develop for Tizen. There are four ways to display a game on a device that supports multiple orientations:
A. Force an orientation. This is common on both iOS and Android but
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This is likely to prove inconvenient to users as Samsung expands Tizen from phones to larger devices such as tablets. Enjoy your 10-inch four-function calculator.
Actually, not so much. It's a guideline, but actually Tizen uses some alien technology which has allowed for multiple, overlapping windows since 1987. The WM can just say (and I quote from the ICCCM) "fuck you window you're resized motherfucker" and then reparent the crap out of the window.
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Their rules, no developers.
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> Content must not disparage a person or a group of people on the basis of [...] Ideology
Technically, that would even invalidate Kindle or iBook or any Ebook reader.
Actually, that will even invalidate a web browser!
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It probably also really, really want's people to use Tizen, but that ain't happening.
Then Samsung should really really ... (Score:2)
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1.) offer an open and flexible FOSS mobile OS.
2.) offer an open and flexible mobile development FOSS toolchain.
3.) offer a range of non-locked, battery replacable, non-artificially memory/performance castrated handsets and tablets on which to install said OS and apps.
Provide that and I'm switching to Samsung and Tizen inmediately.
Until that happens though, I'm sticking with Android and affordable Motorola Handsets, thank you.
Perhaps Google needs to do the same (Score:3)
Tizen? Don't make me laugh (Score:3)
I worked on a contract in which an auto manufacturer was trying to use that abomination, and we could never even get the source to compile. Literally a year later, it came out that Samsung was trying to use both git/gerrit and Perforce as version control for it [thedailywtf.com], mixed between different teams:
Luckily, that contract was short term. But because I put it on my resume, I got a few head-hunters inquiring about it. Quickly though, interest waned. Not hard to see why...
I wanted to write an app for Tizen called Blow-up (Score:2)
But Samsung rejected it!
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