Elon Musk Confirms Tesla Pickup Truck Coming 'After Model Y' (electrek.co) 200
Tesla CEO Elon Musk has confirmed that a Tesla pickup truck is coming "right after Model Y." He said that he already has "the core design/engineering elements" in his mind and wants to bring it to market right after Model Y. Musk later added that the Tesla pickup will be "similar in size" or "slightly bigger" than a Ford F150 "to account for a really gamechanging (I think) feature I'd like to add." Electrek reports: Musk had previously confirmed that Model Y, a small SUV or crossover built on the Model 3 platform, would be Tesla's priority once Model 3 production is ramped up. That's why it was surprising for Tesla to unveil the next generation Roadster at the Tesla Semi event since the vehicle was expected to come out after Model Y, which has yet to be unveiled. At the same event, Musk also released the first image of a Tesla electric pickup truck, but some people still think it's a joke. He claimed that it was a smaller version of Tesla Semi and "a pickup truck that can carry a pickup truck." While it sounded like a joke, Musk had previously mentioned his intention to leverage work on the Tesla Semi to create a Tesla pickup truck.
Not really (Score:5, Insightful)
They need to meet production goals for the model 3 before they can move on to other things, really.
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If they can get pre-payments for the pickups, they can use them to fullfil orders for the model-3 or Y? /s
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If they can get pre-payments for the pickups, they can use them to fullfil orders for the model-3 or Y? /s
You make Tesla sound like a pyramid scheme... and maybe you have a point.
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Isn't "pyramid scheme" an excessively simple thing for you to misunderstand by that much? Surely at your age you've heard a lot of things described as "pyramid schemes" before, are really so dull you never once considered looking up what that means, or at least asking somebody to explain it?
Re: Not really (Score:4, Insightful)
By that definition, every company which started off by getting venture capital is a pyramid scheme.
The difference between a pyramid scheme and a legitimate venture is that the former creates nothing of value and must inevitably collapse when it runs out of new suckers, while the latter uses borrowed money to develop legitimate products, improve efficiency, and reduce costs.
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By that definition, every company which started off by getting venture capital is a pyramid scheme.
Correctamundo. Tesla is more like a ponzi however, with some exceptionally dodgy accounting practices to boot.
The difference between a pyramid scheme and a legitimate venture is that the former creates nothing of value and must inevitably collapse when it runs out of new suckers, while the latter uses borrowed money to develop legitimate products, improve efficiency, and reduce costs.
As time goes on it becomes increasingly clear that Tesla is not the latter. How many Model 3 orders have been fulfilled so far before Musk goes on yet another magical mystery tour of the next terribly exciting product he's dreamed up to drum up more investor cash and deposits?
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How many Model 3 orders have been fulfilled so far before Musk goes on yet another magical mystery tour of the next terribly exciting product he's dreamed up to drum up more investor cash and deposits?
I don't understand why this has become a talking point amongst the handfull of grouches obsessed with criticising Tesla. I mean, if you want to criticize them for falling behind on their original production estimates, sure, that's fair game. They're far from being the only company to ever fall behind early projections, but the criticism is still warranted. What I don't get is why you would then go from legitimate criticism to the utter absurdity of suggesting that production delays are somehow related to
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I don't understand why this has become a talking point amongst the handfull of grouches obsessed with criticising Tesla.
Tesla and Musk's fanboys never seem very interested in results, or with the obvious problems other companies have been dealing with for some time that magically don't apply to them.
Do you honestly think that that's how manufacturing works? That a reduction in R&D can somehow magically eliminate production line problems?
Let me clue you in to how things work in the vehicle manufacturing world since you obviously haven't the faintest idea. Releasing any new vehicle model, even for the Toyotas and VWs of this world, is hugely capital intensive in terms of money, resources, time and any variable you care to mention. Massive. These are companies who
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How many Model 3 orders have been fulfilled so far before Musk goes on yet another magical mystery tour of the next terribly exciting product he's dreamed up to drum up more investor cash and deposits?
Yeah, all those engineers working on vehicle design should get out of their offices and get down to the assembly lines.
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If they can get pre-payments for the pickups, they can use them to fullfil orders for the model-3 or Y? /s
You make Tesla sound like a pyramid scheme... and maybe you have a point.
That's not a pyramid scheme, that's a ponzi scheme. It takes a lot less effort.
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You sleepy? That's the first goofy thing I've ever seen you post... ;)
If that's the first... you have really not been paying attention.
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If they can get pre-payments for the pickups, they can use them to fullfil orders for the model-3 or Y? /s
Tesla doesn't have the mountain of built up capital of a Ford, GM, or Toyota. They're still a relatively new company and are still relying on investors to fund their ambitious plans.
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If they can get pre-payments for the pickups, they can use them to fullfil orders for the model-3 or Y? /s
Tesla doesn't have the mountain of built up capital of a Ford, GM, or Toyota. They're still a relatively new company and are still relying on investors to fund their ambitious plans.
I hit reply too soon...
My point being, they have to announce plans 2 or 3 models in the future to keep the buzz about them alive to keep attracting investors.
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My point being, they have to announce plans 2 or 3 models in the future to keep the buzz about them alive to keep attracting investors.
We should all have no difficulty in finding historical examples where the rope runs out on that strategy. At some point you have to deliver what you say you would otherwise it all unravels.
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My point being, they have to announce plans 2 or 3 models in the future to keep the buzz about them alive to keep attracting investors.
We should all have no difficulty in finding historical examples where the rope runs out on that strategy. At some point you have to deliver what you say you would otherwise it all unravels.
I think they are delivering... just slowly at first. A positive example of how the hype train works is Amazon. They were losing money hand over fist and coming out with new services that were losing money (and pumping the hype) before their primary model was profitable. Amazon is very profitable now. Tesla is hoping to follow Amazon's model. Won't tell if they succeeded or not for a number of years yet.
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I think they are delivering... just slowly at first.
You deliver on what you say, then you move on to the next shiny new thing. Tesla and Musk are promising half a dozen shiny new things every few months, and what's even more laughably funny is they are doing it in the most capital intensive thing imaginable.
Amazon is very profitable now.
Amazon is not profitable ;-).
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Sure, and Musk has been delivering cars people want, albeit behind schedule. We should have no difficulty in finding historical examples where that strategy works.
Re:Not really (Score:5, Interesting)
Well fuck, I tried to mod this overrated, and hit underrated instead, So here's my comment to undo that mod.
Who cares?
I mean really, who cares?
Musk has over-promised by about 40% on everything. Everything. But what was his promise? Disrupt everything. Change the world.
Yeah, he doesn't nail it every time. But he gets so close to world-shaking that I'm not worried at all. My current car does 0-60 in about 12 seconds. For $40k I can buy a number of cars that can cut that down to 6s. All sucking down a ton of fuel. But the Model 3? 4 seconds. Maybe less. For the same money or less.
Yes, production is lagging, but so what? Your world-changing technology is delayed 6 months. Are you really going to throw a fit about that?
If Musk never produced anything he claimed to have made, I'd throw him in the bin of scammers and charlatans. But he fucking does what he says! On schedule? Nope. But not that far later, and not that much less.
There aren't many futurists who have a record anything near what Musk has for delivering world-changing technology.
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1) Musk has explained that with very steep rates of growth small errors in predicting timing mean large errors in predicted output. If you are planning to ramp up from manufacturing a few prototypes to manufacturing 5,000 cars per week within a few months, then a one month delay means your estimated production is then off by a factor in the thousands.
2) He has warned, loudly, that this rapid growth is going to be rough. He calls it "Manufacturing Hell".
3) People notice because he is selling stuff so uniqu
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Tesla advertises the standard Model 3 as doing 0-60 in 5.6 sec, with a base price of about $35k.
If your primary use case for a car is quick acceleration that probably is a bargain. But for most people the world isn't going to changed by a car that can do rabbit starts more effectively (unless they end up rear-ending someone in the process).
Instead of a Model 3, someone could go pick up a Prius One for about $23k. Sure you won't turn many heads and playing "Fast & Furious" will be less satisfying, but e
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If Musk never produced anything he claimed to have made, I'd throw him in the bin of scammers and charlatans. But he fucking does what he says!
I'm afraid he hasn't, but he's done a very skilful job of making suckers think that he has.
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and I can buy a Mustang GT and drive it home tomorrow. Try that with a Model 3.
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there's what, a 40k difference between the two? The price premium of the tesla would equal out to a fair amount of gas (hell, you could even get premium grade for the life of the car).
Maybe one could get two mustangs, and still have a few thousand left over for gas?
Yes really (Score:2)
They need to keep their design team working on new things. The design of the Model 3 is done. Sure, their designers will be doing some tweaks, but they need to be doing interesting stuff, or they'll move on to other companies where they can.
You can't run a successful company for the long term by focusing exclusively on the current product, even when the survival of the company depends on the success of the current product. You have to keep the product pipeline running.
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My guess as to the killer new feature is a swivel and tilt bed!
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First, the firmware developers are a completely different team from the vehicle designers.
Second, the FM radio has been working for a month now. Tesla has dropped AM radio starting with the Model X because too many people complained about poor reception due to interference from the inverters or motors. We could go on at great length as to whether this is a reasonable decision--there are dozens of threads on the topics on the Tesla discussion boards.
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They need to keep their design team working on new things.
Like the production line that still isn't working.
Maybe they could hire some bakers to come help too. Seems about as logical as asking a designer to do it.
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Naw, production and development are on different tracks, you would never want current production constraints to delay future development; especially when production is going really well, but growing pains limit growth speed.
Start your own EV company, and... (Score:2)
In that case, please enjoy criticizing relevant people on the internet.
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Re:Will never replace F150 or Silverado (Score:5, Insightful)
Pickup trucks are about American steel and brawn, tugging a boat and your gun rack into the woods.
First of, Anonymous Coward, if you're talking about "buy American" then a Tesla is way wicked more American-made than a Ford F150.
...and as for "tugging a boat and your gun rack into the woods" you're probably describing about 5% of pickup truck owners. The only thing most pickups 'tug' is their owners' fat asses down to the Dunkin' Donuts.
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The F-series is pretty much the construction industry in my part of Canada at least. If you look around at a construction site, either residential or commercial, you will see a variety of cars for the workers that don't need to carry much and a bunch of F-series pickups if they need to haul stuff. Mostly they are F150s but some larger models too.
If Tesla could come out with the equivalent of an F-150 with a large towing capacity the market would be quite large.
It would be interesting if they could make it l
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Teslas are about to hit 95%.
https://chargedevs.com/newswir... [chargedevs.com]
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There's a lot of speculation and conjecture in that article, but in all fairness you did say "about".
One thing about the study from American University (that neither chargedevs or Bankrate link to) is that the F-150 comes with several different engine options, of which some are made in different countries. For example, the V-8 5.0 liter is produced in Canada, whereas the V-6 is made in Ohio.
I don't know which engine that study used to determine that 85%.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
https://en.wikipedia [wikipedia.org]
Re: Will never replace F150 or Silverado (Score:5, Informative)
When Tesla begins using its new 2170 battery cell, which for Model 3 is expected to happen in the second quarter of this year, its vehicles will be 95% made in the US, making them the "most American" cars available.
Panasonic continues to produce battery cells in Japan and elsewhere, but will be steadily expanding production at the Gigafactory in Nevada. Tesla also plans to source much of the raw materials in those cells from the US. The company is believed to be developing a source of lithium at Silver Peak, not far from the Gigafactory, and Nevada lawmakers have proposed new tax incentives aimed at increasing lithium production in the state.
Re: Will never replace F150 or Silverado (Score:2)
I'd rather prefer it to scale up production instead of bragging about supporting overpaid American "working" class
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The Tesla Model 3 batteries are made in Nevada, which is in America.
Re: Will never replace F150 or Silverado (Score:2)
Ford will be fine for a long time, but if he can get semis in industrial niches, his trucks will find a market. More than half of trucks are just for work. I hope he truly makes a mini semi, which is to say w/sleeper, or mod to box truck or rv: what's needed in truck is modularity, to turn it into exactly what you want need. Ford is great with this invtrucks vans.
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Ford (or GM, any of the existing manufacturers) have *huge* advantages over Tesla.
capital, production capacity, dealer networks just for a start
Tesla needs to first overcome the engineering challenges of producing a viable electric car (mostly there), then find a way to get those cars into the hands of people (getting there), then find a way to expand production enough to lower the production costs (not even close).
The existing makers.. they just need to design and implement the drive train and charging.
So
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Hey Elon, you can sell your horribly overpriced snake oil to the gullible "app" crowd but it's not going to work on TRUCK people.
I'm a truck person. My vehicle is a Ford F350, w/ a 6.7L diesel. My other car is a Nissan Leaf -- all electric.
Pickup trucks are about American steel and brawn, tugging a boat and your gun rack into the woods.
Actually, it's mostly Chinese steel, but yeah, my truck tugs a boat to the lake, a camp trailer to the woods, and a gun or three everywhere. Of course, my Leaf also hauls a gun everywhere, too.
Electric simply has no place, outside of a super-niche toy for .... Whom exactly? The people who have the $ to drop on a Tesla (rich liberals and techie wimps) likely aren't driving a truck in the first place.
I deposited $1K to reserve a Model 3, which is far from a "super-niche toy". My Leaf is fairly "niche"; its niche is "running errands around town and commuting" which isn't actually such a small niche. The Mo
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As for pickups, I've been talking about how awesome an electric pickup would be for years. The torque and power of electric are ideal for trucks.
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I do think an F150 replacement is the wrong angle, though. Working down from the semi is the right way.
It seems to me like pickup trucks are the ideal use case for hybrids. You want that torque, but you also want range. You can have both. I for one want a four door Jeep with per-wheel electric motors and no traditional drivetrain, and I would also actually like the vehicle to use hub motors. Having per-wheel motors to provide maximum torque vectoring and traction control more than makes up for the unsprung mass for a vehicle like that, IMO. It can also have reduced-size friction brakes. But I still want the
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"Pickup trucks are about American steel and brawn, tugging a boat and your gun rack into the woods"
I'd prefer an electric truck to tug a boat or anything any day of the week. Those F150s just don't have the torque of an e-truck, even with truck-nuts as big as baseballs
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LOL. A 5th wheel hitch mounts directly to the frame, not the bed. There are many, many people out there safley towing 5,000-6,000lb trailers every weekend with F150's AND staying well under the CGVWR/Payload/Tow Ratings.
Please don't contribute to low-quality online discussions by Googleing something and pretending to be an expert. You lower the value of our community. Here is a good video showing the actual installation process: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
Seems too early to care (Score:4, Insightful)
Can we wait on the Tesla news until it's less than 2 years out?
/. "news"; what musk is thinkng about (Score:2, Insightful)
must say this is becoming ridiculous. that musk, who has a record of under delivering, thinks about doing something is not tech news, i my opinion. but it is obviously /.'s.
Re: /. "news"; what musk is thinkng about (Score:2)
Musk has a record of under delivering, and 1995 will be the year of the Linux Desktop.
I'm seeing a theme here... (Score:2, Insightful)
We'll have Tesla models S 3 X Y...
Naming scheme (Score:2)
And I bet the semi truck models will be named model
- model H
- model Zero
- model T
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I'll genuinely be surprised if they make a portable cell phone battery charger, personally.
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Check out the Tesla store... they do.
A truly game-chaning feature (Score:2)
Price it under $30,000 so people who are considering (or already own) a pickup truck will actually look at this.
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Pickup trucks are often sold where they aren't practical or needed to people who want the 'tough' image that comes with one.
I think there will be a big job convincing them electric is 'tough'. On the other hand, maybe they won't care so long as the shell looks like a classic pickup, because that is usually all they really want anyway.
What's the government subsidy on these? (Score:2)
Or are those going away in the tax bill?
What's the government subsidy on oil? (Score:3)
So you only hate certain subsidies.
"game changing feature" ? (Score:3)
Since then, a company called Bollinger has come up with an all electric SUV (that is really reminiscent of old Land Rovers or maybe a LEGO version of a Jeep). Jalopnik had a good article on it with a focus on the "front trunk" [jalopnik.com] Something like that in a pickup truck could very well be a game changer and since Bollinger isn't nearly as well known as Tesla, Elon's outfit could easily garner credit for the invention in the public perception.
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Towing Is No-Go (Score:2)
More room in a truck (Score:2)
A bigger vehicle like a truck mean more room, and thus more battery.
I wouldn't be surprised if some of them came in "200kWh battery" variations.
Yo! (Score:2)
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He'll make a Humvee equivalent, with mounted machine gun to shoot down Elon haters.
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He'll make a Humvee equivalent, with mounted machine gun to shoot down Elon haters.
Those things are rather gross.
It depends on the price. (Score:2)
If it's around 80K and can go 300 miles with a full load it would probably be worth it; at least for Los Angeles. Not for people that live in the boonies and commute 600 miles in a truck everyday.
The killer feature:
Automated swapable beds?
Completely swapable top vehicle on a battery frame? So get a dually, double cab, SUV, or standard truck. The SUV would be of interest to people that toe trailers.
Swapable batteries?
Re:Because lots of TRUCK buyers want electric... (Score:4, Insightful)
Huh? Electric vehicles are torque monsters which is *exactly* what you'd want in a pickup truck.
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Huh? Electric vehicles are torque monsters which is *exactly* what you'd want in a pickup truck.
Wrong. What you'd want in a pickup truck is a dirty piece of cardboard, a 6-pack on the front seat, and a box of chicken wing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
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A pickup needs to be cheap?
$50k+ pickups are common. Ford F250 SuperDuty Supercap with diesel engine starts at $44k
Tesla isn't going to be aiming at the stripper F150 market
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Tesla isn't going to be aiming at the stripper F150 market
I never knew exotic dancers drove F150s.
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Torque is EVERYTHING. If you aren't making the torque, you aren't pulling the load. IC engines don't make significant torque until they're well into the power band. Electric motors make 100% of their torque at 0 rpm, and it tapers off linearly until max rpm. Imagine being able to control a truck pulling a heavy load as if you were pulling feathers. Acceleration responsiveness you could dream about at 0 or 65 mph. It's not all about raw available power, but the ability to apply power quickly and accurately.
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As Mauro Forghieri famously said, "Power comes from speed; torque without speed is nothing."
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What you seem to have said is that lots of people, including experienced engineers, are wrong. You've provided no support for your argument. I'm not convinced.
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Yeah, electric motors are the superior form of propulsion for vehicles. Any vehicle. The energy storage system is what is sorely lacking.
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The energy storage system is what is sorely lacking.
And that has been improving dramatically over the last several years. Today's batteries are much better than batteries from a decade ago. A decade from now the batteries we have will be better than the ones we have today. They keep getting better.
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They haven't improved significantly over the "last several years", much less dramatically. A "decade" and "several" are different things. Furthermore, "better that the ones we have today" is a given. Yes, they keep getting better, slowly. There needs to be a breakthrough in charge speed, not just incremental improvements every few years, like what has happened recently, and we need to have the infrastructure to charge them or else they will be worthless.
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If it can go 300 miles on a charge it really isn't; not for the overwhelming majority of times. for the few times it is lacking you can rent an ICE with money to spare from fuel savings.
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I read that propaganda too. That doesn't work for a truck.
Because you think you can't rent a truck for the rare occasions you need one that goes more than 300 mph? Or because you think most pick up drivers drive more than 300 miles at a time on a regular basis?
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i don't know about you, but i find myself needing a 300 MPH truck pretty frequently. Very, very hard to find though.
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i don't know about you, but i find myself needing a 300 MPH truck pretty frequently. Very, very hard to find though.
Most of the ones that go the fastest just go round in circles on ovals... or ovals in circles.
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It doesn't matter if it's improving or not. That's irrelevant. Today, it's sorely lacking.
Yeah, who gives a shit about the future? It sucks today, so we should just stop trying to improve it.
Re:Because lots of TRUCK buyers want electric... (Score:5, Funny)
How is he going against all empirical evidence if he did 0 market research to develop empirical evidence?
Your statement doesn't make a whole lot of fucking sense.
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No, if you do no research you aren't more likely to go against the evidence, because you won't have evidence. You're more likely to get things right if you do the research.
So far, Musk seems to be doing pretty well at making electric vehicles and sending stuff into orbit. I'm not nearly as impressed by the Hyperloop, but two out of three ain't bad.
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Actually yes. A lot of trucks are apparently already pre-ordered. I think you vastly underestimate the size of the trucking industry, and how much it means if even 1% of it is interested in a new truck.
Which, if the claims about TCO are even halfway true, way more than 1% should be.
Re:Because lots of TRUCK buyers want electric... (Score:4, Informative)
More likely he is simply someone with non-trivial requirements and isn't a total blithering fanboy. It's not enough to slap the right logo on the thing. It actually has to be fit for purpose. Once you get away from the "big city", an EVs anemic range and lack of infastructure quickly becomes a likely show stopper. This is even more true for smaller non-cargo trucks that could end up in all sorts of interesting places.
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If the truck is at a large ranch, the range may not matter as much, since there would be charging stations on areas of the property. In fact, an all electric truck would be nice, because if it had a decent inverter, one could use the batteries to power a welder, lights, or other items needed for upkeep.
My hope is that Tesla makes a one ton truck. A half-ton tends to be more of a grocery-getter than a work truck.
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I suspect the only working ranch you've seen is from the highway. You don't have power run through out the property, the property is mostly for animals to graze, so range is important. If you need to weld in the field, you get a welder with a generator. Using the batteries to weld, a very power hungry process, is a good way to earn yourself a couple mile walk. Trucks are too heavy now and they get bogged down in mud pretty easily, add an extra couple thousand pounds and you will have a truck that is constan
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So what you are saying is that until Tesla can solve every use-case they cannot possibly sell any trucks?
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Re:Because lots of TRUCK buyers want electric... (Score:5, Insightful)
You might not want it to be your only vehicle, but an electric pickup might do quite well as a farm truck and in the construction industry. There are also a LOT of status symbol pickups in the city.
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Interesting thing, most of the farms where I live start right on the outskirts of town and a good deal of them have large solar panel setups.
If a farm is willing to invest in solar, I don't see having an electric truck or two as being a bad secondary investment. And I guess they can take a different vehicle if needed to go to the livestock auction 90 miles up the road, though that electric truck may have more than a 180 mile range even when loaded.
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Once you get away from the "big city", an EVs anemic range and lack of infastructure quickly becomes a likely show stopper.
Because there are no use cases for light trucks anywhere within 50 miles of a "big city" (where "big" is probably defined as 50k people)? You're absolutely right, there isn't any kind of construction work anywhere near population centers.
No interest (Score:2)
300-500 miles isn't anemic range
To add that, most electrical vehicles are usually plugged-in parked, meaning that this ranges applies whenever you start driving.
Batteries can be swapped faster than 60 gallon diesel tanks can be filled, nobody has done it in a widespread system yet but that doesn't make it infeasible.
Actually several companies have attempted at several level of deployment (including Tesla, Renault, etc.) but eventually drop the scheme simply due to lack of interest.
Most EV are usually charged while staying parked (in home charged during the night, chargers in public parkings during the day), and on a long trip you need to make regular breaks every few hours, so you might as we
Re: Because lots of TRUCK buyers want electric... (Score:2)
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Let me guess... you're a liberal that lives in a big city and thinks because you have no use for a pick up truck, think that no one could possibly have a valid need for one.
To be fair 99.9% of what 95% of the population do, you don't need a truck for, and usually when a truck is useful, there is always an alternative (and I'm a former pick-up driver and will probably get a pick-up again). I used to have a little Ford Ranger (single bench, not extended cab), loved it, it was fun to drive, and at the time I thought it was incredibly useful, I loved how the air or the heating heated or cooled the tiny cab instantly...
I hated to give it up (wife convinced me to get more practical
Re: Because lots of TRUCK buyers want electric... (Score:2)
I get the love for pick-ups, and I get that a few people need them.
I suppose they're great for hauling hay and pigshit...
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I get the love for pick-ups, and I get that a few people need them.
I suppose they're great for hauling hay and pigshit...
And sporting goods (was a heck of a lot easier to load all my camping equipment, bikes, etc, when I had a truck) , and washing machines, and furniture you just bought so you don't pay extra on shipping, getting mulch in bulk for the flower beds, etc, transporting something messy you wouldn't want to dirty your car. They have Urban uses too; granted, you're not going to use the bed very often, but it is nice to have from time to time. Unless you're living on a farm, almost no household needs more than one.
Re:Because lots of TRUCK buyers want electric... (Score:4, Funny)
"I don't see what being liberal has to do with it. I'm a die-hard liberal,"
That's then why your truck doesn't have any truck-nuts, your hick-factor is too low. :-)
He's a liberal. The nuts are on his wife's truck
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What other stereotypes did I miss...
The poser. The truck is always clean, there's not a single dent, not a scratch in the bed, and not a single empty can of Budweiser stuck in the tailgate crack. Also bluetooth works and AWD is off to save gas.
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Fun fact
The only person confirmed not worse than Hitler:
Hitler!