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Man Sues Over Google's 'Location History' Fiasco, Case Could Affect Millions (arstechnica.com) 84

Last week, The Associated Press found that many Google services on Android devices and iPhones store your location data even if you've explicitly disabled the location sharing feature. As a result, Google has now been sued by a man in San Diego, who argues that Google is violating the California Invasion of Privacy Act and the state's constitutional right to privacy. Ars Technica reports: The lawsuit seeks class-action status, and it would include both an "Android Class" and "iPhone Class" for the potential millions of people in the United States with such phones who turned off their Location History and nonetheless had it recorded by Google. It will likely take months or longer for the judge to determine whether there is a sufficient class.

Also on August 17, attorneys from the Electronic Privacy Information Center wrote in a sternly worded three-page letter to the FTC that Google's practices are in clear violation of the 2011 settlement with the agency. In that settlement, Google agreed that it would not misrepresent anything related to "(1) the purposes for which it collects and uses covered information, and (2) the extent to which consumers may exercise control over the collection, use, or disclosure of covered information." Until the Associated Press story on August 13, Google's policy simply stated: "You can turn off Location History at any time. With Location History off, the places you go are no longer stored."

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Man Sues Over Google's 'Location History' Fiasco, Case Could Affect Millions

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  • by Anonymous Coward

    ...turn location services off, completely? It's not hard to find.

    Unless, Google are not *actually* turning it off when you turn it off - that would be a problem.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      You'd have to turn the phone off for that.

    • Re:Can't you just... (Score:5, Informative)

      by mikael ( 484 ) on Monday August 20, 2018 @08:13PM (#57163690)

      The M8 and M9 motion processing chips operate even if the phone is switched off.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]

      "The Apple M7, M8, M9, M10, and M11 coprocessors collect, process, and store sensor data even if the device is asleep, and applications can retrieve data when the device is powered up again. This reduces power draw of the device and saves battery life.[14] In addition to servicing the accelerometer, gyroscope, compass, and in M8 and later coprocessors, barometer, the M9 coprocessor can recognize Siri voice commands from the built in microphones of the device.[15]

      The M-series motion coprocessors are accessible to applications through the Core Motion API introduced in iOS 7, so they do, for example, allow fitness apps that track physical activity and access data from the M processors without constantly engaging the main application processor. They enable applications to be aware of what type of movement the user is experiencing, such as driving, walking, running, or sleeping.[16][17][18] Another application could be the ability to do indoor tracking and mapping.[19] In iOS 10, the motion coprocessor is used to implement raise to wake functionality reducing idle power usage."

      • by Anonymous Coward

        Asleep =/= turned off you dolt.

      • Re:Can't you just... (Score:5, Interesting)

        by Mal-2 ( 675116 ) on Monday August 20, 2018 @09:49PM (#57164186) Homepage Journal

        This might be the real reason for sealed-in batteries: so you can't ever totally turn off the phone.

        • The reason for sealed-in batteries is Apple isn't good enough at case design to make a reliable user-openable battery compartment.

          They're really not any better than average at that sort of thing. The battery terminals can be metal fingers bonded to the plastic of the case outside the water seal, so 'waterproof' isn't even a valid excuse.

          • by vakuona ( 788200 )

            Apple is plenty good at case design. They do not want to make user replaceable batteries because it would compromise the shape of the phone. Replaceable batteries need special "infrastructure" on the phone to hold them in place that would add to size and possibly weight.

            In any case, none of the big manufacturers make flagships with replaceable batteries (LG G5 possibly excepted) and even then, it is not one of the true flagship smartphones out there,

            • by Etcetera ( 14711 )

              In any case, none of the big manufacturers make flagships with replaceable batteries (LG G5 possibly excepted) and even then, it is not one of the true flagship smartphones out there,

              The LG V20 has a removable battery as well. Privacy isn't the primary reason I use it (extended batteries are awesome), but it's a nice benefit.

        • by gweihir ( 88907 )

          Quite. It is also one reason I will only buy phones with removable batteries. This is completely non-negotiable for me. I consider non-removable batteries a severe design defect.

    • Turning off location services turns of location service.

      Turning of location history turns off location history, but not other location based services.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 20, 2018 @08:00PM (#57163616)

    In a bizarre update to this story, this man was beaten to death in an alley. A single observer said only that the perpetrators almost seemed to know that he was headed toward them.

  • Are these both one in the same? I would think location sharing which is what the summary said he turned off is not the same as location history no?
    • by Anonymous Coward

      Location History is not the same as location sharing. The AP reported that if you turned off Location History, Google still stored your location. This is a "Duh" thing.

      Location History is what "Timeline" on the map used to be called, and if you turn off location history it stops filling in entries on that timeline - as expected. Some other features also do not work if it is off because they rely on it.

      Location History was announced in 2009 as part of Latitude [blogspot.com]. It was literally "Google Location History" and

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Fuck google, can we get a $10000000b fine?

  • by Zombie Ryushu ( 803103 ) on Monday August 20, 2018 @09:01PM (#57163930)

    This is one of the serious reasons we need to be able to root/custom Rom our Devices. Apple Users are defenseless on this front.

    Google Location Services is built into pretty much every Stock Rom Android Smart Phone, no matter how "Vanilla" you get it with the sole exception of LineageOS Based Custom Roms. There is no switching it off, unless you intend to not use data or Wifi completely.

    With LineageOS, you have UnifiledNlp which lets you choose your location provider, that can be Google, or it can be Mozilla, or it can be LocalGSM Backend or Local Wifi, which eliminates to some extent the tracking device and Privacy invasion aspects of Android Devices.

    You can partially mitigate some of it by using OsmAnd~ for Android, but that only keeps your intended destinations safe, and not your actual history.

    If your Stuck with a Stock Rom, because no LineageOS Rom exists for your device, there is Root+XPrivacy. If you can get Root. That might let you switch off Google Location services, but without a custom Recovery and a way to unroot, your device will soft brick on the next update. This is also an issue for LineageOS Users who get one unofficial LineageOS

    Apple users are in even worse shape. The minute that Apple's leadership changes, to be more compliant with government's wishes, then Apple devices are suddenly hte biggest possible liability in terms of security.

    • Apple Users are defenseless on this front.

      Wrong. Apple (iOS) users have two defenses to start with:

      1) The OS itself, which doesn't let apps like Google have any location info if the user does not want them to.

      2) Apple, which actually values user privacy because they sell devices, not data. Apple will be be collecting anything location related if you turn off location services.

      Apple users are in even worse shape. The minute that Apple's leadership changes, to be more compliant with government's wishes, the

      • by gweihir ( 88907 )

        Seems to me the only thing Apple users have is faith. That has never protected anybody in human history. It has made tons of morons feel better though.

    • by bickerdyke ( 670000 ) on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @03:16AM (#57165264)

      You can switch off access to location data in the phone settings. That switches off already the gathering of location data. But that is a setting different from your location timeline.

    • by gweihir ( 88907 )

      And besides a removable battery, this is my second must-have for my next phone. No custom ROM capability (that I can also mess with if I so chose), no sale.

      The sad thing is that we have a digital 2-class society: Those that are basically helpless victim of whatever devices and software is inflicted on them and a small elite that can do something about it. Not good.

  • by ilsaloving ( 1534307 ) on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @08:04AM (#57166144)

    As soon as I read the report, I immediately wondered if a class action lawsuit would happen. I would love to see these tech companies get nailed against the wall for their obnoxious privacy abuses, especially in an age where info crimes are skyrocketing.

    The only thing I'm not sure about... don't you have to demonstrate some kind of harm or injury? How would this work?

  • "It will likely take months or longer for the judge to determine whether there is a sufficient class. "

    If you're not classy enough, you're not gonna get it!

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