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Yahoo, Bucking Industry, Scans Emails for Data To Sell Advertisers (wsj.com) 88

The U.S. tech industry has largely declared it is off limits to scan emails for information to sell to advertisers. Yahoo still sees the practice as a potential gold mine. From a report: Yahoo's owner, the Oath unit of Verizon Communications has been pitching a service to advertisers that analyzes more than 200 million Yahoo Mail inboxes and the rich user data they contain, searching for clues about what products those users might buy, said people who have attended Oath's presentations as well as current and former employees of the company. Oath said the practice extends to AOL Mail, which it also owns. Together, they constitute the only major U.S. email provider that scans user inboxes for marketing purposes.
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Yahoo, Bucking Industry, Scans Emails for Data To Sell Advertisers

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  • Slight correction (Score:5, Insightful)

    by asackett ( 161377 ) on Wednesday August 29, 2018 @05:34AM (#57215848) Homepage

    Together, they constitute the only major U.S. email provider that [admits that it] scans user inboxes for marketing purposes.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Yahoo is a company that has had no reason to exist for the last 10+ years. Now that Marissa Mayer has driven the last nails into the coffin and floated away on her golden parachute, Yahoo might as well just be as evil as possible and squeeze out a few extra Shekels while they still can. What have they got to lose?

      • by dcw3 ( 649211 )

        Yahoo is a company that has had no reason to exist for the last 10+ years. Now that Marissa Mayer has driven the last nails into the coffin and floated away on her golden parachute, Yahoo might as well just be as evil as possible and squeeze out a few extra Shekels while they still can. What have they got to lose?

        I would have agreed with you up until Google did away with the iGoogle portal. I'd been using both yahoo and igoogle portals since they started up, and was ready to drop yahoo until suddenly Google decided to drop theirs for no apparent reason, only claiming that everything was available through apps...well, sure it is, but I want it all on one page thank you very much. I've seen nothing else that allows me to put my mail, weather, sports, calendar, news, stocks prices, local movies, etc. all on a single

    • Tech companies admit all sorts of lousy things in their TOSes. Moreso, something like targetted advertising based on email contents is really easy to validate. And if every tech company is lying about what they do with your data, why do they even write novel length privacy policies and TOSes to begin with? Security researchers turn up backdoors and bugs all the time, and sure, the occasional clear violation or outright lie between a TOS and actual practice, but if every one lied about this stuff, why on ea

  • Yet another reason to avoid Yahoo (and, by extension, Verizon).

    • by Anonymous Coward

      I don't know if I can stop laughing long enough to type this.

      Yahoo's owner, the Oath unit of Verizon Communications has been pitching a service to advertisers

      One crook, scamming other crooks

      that analyzes more than 200 million Yahoo Mail inboxes and the rich user data they contain

      Rich user data? From morons using Yahoo for e-mail? Who is stupid enough to actually believe this?

      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by JMJimmy ( 2036122 )

        Not a moron here and still using Yahoo mail. Not as a primary email but simply due to momentum. The account existed long before gmail did and the number of accounts tied to it are countless. Gmail became my personal email while Yahoo became the one I gave out to 3rd parties for account creation purposes.

        How does one even start to unwind a 15+ year old account tied to hundreds of services? The moment I saw their privacy policy change I wanted to cut and run but unless I am going to scour every forum/busi

        • by Anonymous Coward

          I'm in the same boat. However, there are options to distance from it. For example, create a new email account, then forward your Yahoo messages there. Start using the new one as your primary, then update your accounts on sites that are still contacting your Yahoo address. You could have these filtered into an inbox labeled "unconverted", then switch them over. If you have any long-lost accounts anywhere that you suddenly need access to, that will appear in the new inbox when you need it. Or I guess a label

          • It represents a bigger problem though. If an email provider can unilaterally make such a massive change to privacy rights then is it safe to use any provider? If we have to use home servers to maintain privacy, who do we entrust to guard us from spam/phishing/data loss?

            For that matter what is to stop the yahoos at Yahoo from charging for forwarding services?

        • by dcw3 ( 649211 )

          Ditto. I've had my Yahoo account for ~20 years, and use it now primarily for accounts and anyone who I don't want to give my main email to.

      • All they'll glean from me is that I'm a pornography-obsessed kinky nymphomaniac, because that's the only thing I use my old Yahoo! Mail account for anymore. As far as I'm concern, the account is disposable. I haven't agreed to the new terms of service yet, and the moment it becomes mandatory, I'll abandon the account.
  • fake news (Score:2, Insightful)

    More fake news from a semi-official propaganda outlet. EVERYONE knows that Google and Facebook datamine your inbox, your browsing habits, and absolutely anything else they can find. And sell that data to repressive gover... er, I mean, advertisers.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      It seems Google does not scan emails for advertisement purposes, though they do scan your emails:

      https://variety.com/2017/digital/news/google-gmail-ads-emails-1202477321/

      Also from the horses mouth:

      https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6603?hl=en

      • It seems Google does not scan emails for advertisement purposes. Also from the horses mouth:

        And I never have lecherous thoughts when passing by a hot woman on a sidewalk, honest!

        • Why the fuck would google say "we read your e-mails" at all if they're just going to lie about it?

          • by WCMI92 ( 592436 )

            Because they are a Monopoly.

            Google is what we used to think Microsoft was. Only worse. They tried to steal the Presidency for one thing.

    • How does ReverendGreen's baseless claim that the WSJ is a propaganda outlet get 4 point mod up? It's probably the best and fairest news source out there.
  • by bobstreo ( 1320787 ) on Wednesday August 29, 2018 @06:28AM (#57215968)

    to poison the well of email scanning.

    It wouldn't take much to dump some emails with personal or financial lies into your inbox.

    Extra points for references to non-existent medical conditions or upcoming illegal transactions.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    You'll scan people's private email for gun control text and sell the NRA that advert.
    You'll scan people's private emails for political discussion and sell that to Russian trolls.
    You'll scan people's private email discussions for Net Neutrality and sell them to.... *Verizon*, i.e. you, so you can use the content of their discussions for your anti- NN bullshit.

    The contents of people private emails are there to be scanned for keyphrases and sold to advertisers, because every private conversation needs to be so

  • Verizon: sociopathy!

  • Comment removed (Score:5, Interesting)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Wednesday August 29, 2018 @07:00AM (#57216042)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
    • Many more people have email addresses that are not @Yahoo.com, but are run by the former Yahoo (Oath). Entire ISPs outsourced their email infrastructure to Yahoo.

  • Please share this article far and wide and advise friends and colleagues of this practice and offer them alternatives.

    I use ProtonMail.com [protonmail.com]. what do you good Slashdot readers recommend?

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by asackett ( 161377 )

      If you correspond with users of ESP's it doesn't much matter what you use on your end of it. Therein lies the rub.

      I recommend encrypted email, for all things, all the time. Your mail might still be scanned, but at least they'll have to work for it.

      No, this isn't a workable solution in a world of people who don't give a fuck. But it's what I recommend.

    • I self-host everything. I have a VM churning away on vultr.com and do all of my own email, web, blogging, and personal cloud storage stuff. I just use my gmail address as a throw-away now.
      • I self-host everything. I have a VM churning away on vultr.com

        It's getting more difficult to self-host these days. Many email services appear to be hostile to email that doesn't come from a massive email provider.

        No one is going to blacklist email from Gmail, but blacklisting a single VM that puts out a few hundred emails per month: they will do that in a heartbeat.

        It's also easy to get caught up in a blacklist on your network IP range because someone else sent something that a recipient thought was spam.

        • It's getting more difficult to self-host these days. Many email services appear to be hostile to email that doesn't come from a massive email provider.

          I've not had that problem, perhaps because I employ SPF and DKIM, and HELO using the name given by the DNS PTR record.

      • You blog? GTFO. People still do that? What is this 2003?

  • by Anonymous Coward

    I was so early to the Yahoo Mail game that I was able to get firstname.lastname as an address. It was great for the better part of a decade. I even upgraded to the "Mail Plus" package to get some extra features and to naively show my support for their great product.

    Over the past couple of years, they've made some business decisions that have driven me away inch by inch.
    - They moved all of the features of the paid-tier to the free-tier, except for ads. Now the only reason to pay is to remove ads.
    - The web

  • How ironic (Score:5, Interesting)

    by zarmanto ( 884704 ) on Wednesday August 29, 2018 @08:27AM (#57216420) Journal

    Ironically, the only e-mail messages that come into my (largely defunct) Yahoo account are from... ummm... advertisers. That is to say, that's the address I give out to websites and/or companies that I never actually want to hear from again. So, did I buy something from those companies? Maybe... but just as likely not. So sure, Verizon; knock yourself out -- though, I have little faith that you're going to get much real value out of scraping my inbox.

    (Also... it baffles my mind that there are people who still use legacy AOL accounts.)

    • by dcw3 ( 649211 )

      "(Also... it baffles my mind that there are people who still use legacy AOL accounts.)"

      Why? I know at least half a dozen folks who still use AOHell. I even still have a 3 letter account name there, but haven't logged in in about a year. BTW, Oath has taken over the AOL campus near me.

  • by kqc7011 ( 525426 ) on Wednesday August 29, 2018 @08:38AM (#57216478)
    This is Ok with me as I use a Yahoo address for my "you want my email?", here it is response.
    • by WCMI92 ( 592436 )

      That is a good idea of what to do with my old Yahoo email. Which I haven't used in 10 years.

  • Considering the majority of email will be spam for Viagara, does this mean Yahoo will finaly admit their part in spams enablement?

    It's been my long held belief that email providers themselves intentionally facilitate spam because it perpetuates their scummy business model. What I'd LOVE is some way to say "this email {domain | address} cannot be routed through nor used by the following providers" - of which Google, Yahoo, LinkedIn, Micrsoft and Amazon would all be at the top. I 've used domains I knew w

  • I cannot fathom why this thing still exists. They were famous years ago for screwing up everything they touched.
  • Article was silent on this point, but it would be a far greater portion of email traffic if they are scanning INCOMING and REPLIED-TO emails to sell to marketers (and would make Gmail, MS and others who ceased that activity somewhat toothless in their guarantee). [and as the one who made this WSJ submission, who is MSMASH and why do all submissions come from MSMASH today?)
  • They're nothing short of that.
  • In related news, AOL mail was rehosted to the Yahoo mail platform quite some time ago.

  • Even more surprising is that Yahoo is still even around.
    • by dcw3 ( 649211 )

      Um, get out of the basement once in a while, and you'd see it in many people's mail. AOL too.

  • Google, AOL, etc.

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