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Google Sends Final Software Update To Legacy Nexus 5X, Nexus 6P Phones (hothardware.com) 107

Google has pushed out the final "guaranteed" official software update for Nexus devices. According to Hot Hardware, the November update for both the Nexus 5X and Nexus 6P "carries the final build number of OPM7.181105.004, running Android 8.1 Oreo." From the report: The last Nexus smartphones to launch from Google were the Nexus 5X and Nexus 6P, which debuted in late 2015. Under Google's three-year update policy, both smartphones have received two major Android releases (Android 7.0 Nougat in 2016 and Android 8.0 Oreo in 2017) along with three years of monthly security updates. The monthly security updates should have ended in September, but Google out of nowhere provided a two-month reprieve through November 2018.
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Google Sends Final Software Update To Legacy Nexus 5X, Nexus 6P Phones

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 07, 2018 @03:16AM (#57604456)

    Shouldnt the update policy mean how long the device is supported at minimum? So there shouldnt be anything wrong or unexpected with a longer support time frame.

    At the same time five year old Apple devices (5S) still receive support and the latest versions. That, coupled with an iOS 12 market share of 60% versus an Android 9 market share of 0.1% speaks for itself as far as "update policies" are concerned.

    And before anyone jumps out accusing me of being an Apple fanboy, I have never owned any Apple device and am currently running a Nougat and an Oreo device. However I am really slowly thinking of whether a switch to Apple would be all that bad. While I considered macOS before I always used to rule out iOS because of its golden cage - "used to". The thing that still holds me back for now is Apple's - IMHO - exaggerted pricing structure.

    • by Camembert ( 2891457 ) on Wednesday November 07, 2018 @03:53AM (#57604506)
      "At the same time five year old Apple devices (5S) still receive support and the latest versions. That, coupled with an iOS 12 market share of 60% versus an Android 9 market share of 0.1% speaks for itself as far as "update policies" are concerned."

      I have to say what impressed me most about IOS12 on my 4 year old 6Plus is that it has made the old phone operate more smoothly. To the point that I hope it will hold out for another year before replacing to then newest iphone.
      I recognise it wasn't always like this, one past update made my jurassic iPad 2 suddenly slow like a tortoise, it was indeed an old device with limited specs and little RAM but it taught me to first check on reports of new IOS on old devices, because annoyingly you can't roll back to the previous version of IOS after the first week or so of release.
      Anyway, back to the 6Plus. It wasn't a cheap device when I bought it, but if I can get (as I expect) 5 years of comfortable use out of it, then the yearly price vs. the general satisfaction will have been worth it.
      • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        The problem with iOS updates is that they can't easily be reversed. There is a small window where they allow it (or used to, do they still do that?) and then you are stuck. So if it sucks you can't downgrade. Most Android devices can be downgraded easily if you don't like the new OS.

        Also worth remembering that these devices are still getting security updates via the usual Play Store mechanism. With Oreo most of the OS can be patched by Play now, so while they won't get feature updates they will remain secur

      • I’ve had a similar experience with my 2013 iPhone 5s. It just received the iOS 12.1 update, which went smoothly, and it feels as if it’s running better than at any point in the last few years. Its (original) battery is no longer able to just barely squeak through a full weekend on a single charge like it could up until earlier this year, but it can still make it through a full day and partway into the next with light use. I may replace the battery at some point this year, but I’m going to

        • Indeed, exactly my opinion as well. Though the camera on the newest generation is really quite a lot better - for me one of the most important extras on a smartphone.
      • by Bongo ( 13261 )

        Same here on an iPhone 6.

        Although the prior release, iOS 11, had already made it very slow, it turned out the flash was gummed up, and doing a full reset and reinstall seems to have cleared the flash storage and it has returned to as-new performance under iOS 12.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) on Wednesday November 07, 2018 @08:41AM (#57605032) Homepage Journal

      Android 9 market share of 0.1%

      According to Google 21.5% of Android devices are on Oreo.

      https://developer.android.com/... [android.com]

      50% are on Oreo or Nougat, the two latest versions. Where did you get your number from?

      • by Anonymous Coward

        Neither Oreo nor Nougat are the latest versions. Oreo is 8 and I was talking about 9.

        • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          Fair comment. They don't have stats for Pie (9) yet. In any case, where did you get your number from? I'm really interested to know since there are no official stats.

    • by mjwx ( 966435 )

      Shouldnt the update policy mean how long the device is supported at minimum? So there shouldnt be anything wrong or unexpected with a longer support time frame.

      At the same time five year old Apple devices (5S) still receive support and the latest versions. T

      Yes, but they also don't send updates to hobble our phones until we fork out £1000 for a new one, so I consider myself better off with Android.

      • Shouldnt the update policy mean how long the device is supported at minimum? So there shouldnt be anything wrong or unexpected with a longer support time frame.

        At the same time five year old Apple devices (5S) still receive support and the latest versions. T

        Yes, but they also don't send updates to hobble our phones until we fork out £1000 for a new one, so I consider myself better off with Android.

        You mean they also don't send out updates that make it so my old phone doesn't suddenly crash because you're in the cold trying to call for emergency services after your car ends up in a snow bank in the middle of nowhere in 5 deg. Weather? That update? The one you can also DISABLE if you so choose?

        Yeah, Apple sure is evil...

    • I got a new iPhone 6s this year. All the Android phones in the store were new models and very expensive with higher monthly fees (that you continue paying even after the phone is paid off). The older iPhones were there, pre-paid with small cost and small monthly bill, and they're still fast and zippy, have headphone jacks, and are big upgrade over my older Samsung.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 07, 2018 @03:24AM (#57604472)

    Seriously, somebody give Google a medal for really going the extra mile to support a product for five minutes. They went way beyond the thirty seconds we see most places and really gave this one at least a dime more. Let's hear it for the heroes of long term support.

  • All of which are connected, and it's very doubtful their users will care or know enough to take any appropriate steps to secure them.

  • by bradley13 ( 1118935 ) on Wednesday November 07, 2018 @03:54AM (#57604508) Homepage

    Three years? Even as a gamer, I am using a 5 year old gaming PC with no problems. My Nexus 5X works fine, and I have no plans to replace it - why should I? Computing devices live a lot longer than three years. While new features can be reserved for new phones, security updates should be provided essentially forever.

    Heck, I still have my original Nexus S, from 2010, and it works fine. The Google packages have bloated so much that they no longer fit. However, with root I could uninstall the Google bloat, and it is a fine backup phone.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      It's not like your Nexus 5X is going to brick itself now. It will carry on working, carry on getting security and app updates via the Play Store, continue getting service updates like improvements to Google Assistant and Photos.

      You just aren't going to get the next version of the OS or further OS feature updates.

      • by Anonymous Coward

        It's not like your Nexus 5X is going to brick itself now.

        It'll brick itself soon enough: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LG_smartphone_bootloop_issues#Nexus_5X

        It will carry on working, carry on getting security and app updates via the Play Store, continue getting service updates like improvements to Google Assistant and Photos.

        You just aren't going to get the next version of the OS or further OS feature updates.

        The OS feature updates stopped a year ago. This one was the last OS security update.

        • by tlhIngan ( 30335 )

          It's not like your Nexus 5X is going to brick itself now.

          It'll brick itself soon enough: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]

          Looks like someone needs to implement throttling of the CPU so you can avoid bootlooping, a la iOS.

          There's only two reason for a phone to bootloop. Either the OS is horrendously corrupted and crashes (restorable via a reflash), or the battery is not strong enough to supply the power needed to boot the phone.

          Since reflashing doesn't work (at least with my 6P) it's probably a battery issu

          • My (pristine condition) Nexus 5x started bootlooping almost exactly 2 years to the day from when I bought it. The most likely cause was mechanical stress causing BGA parts to separate from the motherboard. Google was offering me a reduced credit towards a new Pixel, because bootlooping == 'Does not boot'. I shipped it back anyway; it apparently healed in transit, because I received a full credit ($150, I think)
    • Heck, as a gamer, I'm using a Q9550, launched over 10 years ago. While it's not nearly as fast as an i7, it can hold its own, getting 60 FPS in most games and never below 30FPS. And it's running the latest version of Windows 10 with zero issues--10 years later.

      The only upgrade I've done is a SSD and a GTX 1050, which have kept the system running nicely. Honestly, the incremental gains made in CPUs just aren't what they were. In fact, if you have at least a 2nd generation i7, your gaming performance b
  • This was the worst Nexus device in history. Most of them probably already bootlooped, with the bootloops usually happening just over a year since day purchase.

    • by TAz00 ( 1060066 )
      It was quickly fixed in production, but damage was done to the brand, mine has been awsome these 3 years. 10/10 (except no sd card)
      • 10/10 (except no sd card)

        Then it's not really a 10/10, is it? Even if it was perfect in every other way, you must deduct a point for no SD and another for no removable battery.

        • I think he rates it a 10/10 for himself. Not everyone cares about that stuff.

          The removable battery used to be key for me since I always managed to break the charging port. Wireless charging has changed how much that matters to me now.

          Most of the phones that take an sd card now put the sd card in such a difficult location that even that means less to me now.

      • It was quickly fixed in production, but damage was done to the brand, mine has been awsome these 3 years. 10/10 (except no sd card)

        Really. I have chucked out four devices, each of which bootlooped and they were acquired over a period of about a year. All purchased from Google.

        So, either Google were selling old faulty stock or this wasn't quickly fixed in production.

      • Ditto. I got mine for close to $250 about 2.5 years ago, and when I compare it to newer phones available today, they all feel like over-priced and over-hyped disappointments, so I plan to use my 5X until it dies. If it dies from something I can find a way to fix, I will fix it and keep on using it.

    • by syntap ( 242090 )

      Both Nexus 5x's in my family bootlooped, but LG fixed both with a relatively quick turnaround. Annoying and disruptive problem sure, but they fixed it way past the official warranty period. If anything, this increased my confidence in LG because I know if some widespread issue like that happens they will likely fix it.

      That said, I didn't have enough confidence to put official Oreo on it... I moved my Nexus 5x to Lineage as soon as I got the phone back. But the other one in the family has been running fine

      • bootloop for me too, and fix post warranty as well. and i got a 32GB board replacement as a bonus (mine was 16GB)

        previous LG was nexus 5 and it fried itself. no fix from LG or Google. A friend's Nexus 4 also got hosed.

        Needless to say i won't buy LG again. I like them but they don't know how to make a phone.

    • Yep, both Nexus 5x's in my household bootlooped, one after almost exactly a year, the other after ~18 months. We had the first one repaired, but for the second I managed to get a full refund (!) from Amazon and bought a Pixel XL from somewhere else on a good deal, costing me a net £20.

      Lots of negative things can be said about Amazon, but their willingness to accept returns/refunds does make me think twice about buying from elsewhere, even if Amazon is slightly more expensive.
  • pathetic really (Score:4, Insightful)

    by gravewax ( 4772409 ) on Wednesday November 07, 2018 @05:01AM (#57604624)
    This really highlights the sad state of affairs for android based hardware when this is one of the "better" (and I use that word loosely) support policies, a fucking disgrace.
  • I bought mine brand new at retail just over two years ago. I knew buying it late would be a risk like this but was hoping they'd extend. Two extra months is better than a kick in the groin but it's still disappointing.

    Very strongly considering jumping ship to Apple these days. I'd cheerfully keep buying cheap Nexus devices every 2-3 years but if I have to drop $1000 on the way only google phone I know will be up to date then I'd rather get a cheaper iPhone. (I know Android One is a thing too but they seem h

  • That's bad (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Artem S. Tashkinov ( 764309 ) on Wednesday November 07, 2018 @07:13AM (#57604854) Homepage

    This three years guaranteed updates policy is a complete and utter BS, Google. Modern smartphones are more than capable of serving the user not just for three years, they may work for up to a decade and this support window just doesn't cut it. It's bad for the environment, it's bad for people (since Google basically forces them to replace their perfectly working devices just to feel safe), it's bad for Android's popularity in general because when you e.g. buy into the Apple ecosystem you can expect more than five years of support and that leaves a bitter taste in your mouth since a lot of Android phones cost as much as or even more than the most expensive iPhones (Samsung Note9 512GB, Huawei Mate 20 Pro 256GB, etc).

    This must change.

    • This three years guaranteed updates policy is a complete and utter BS, Google.

      It should be noted that Google is, AFAICT, the only phone maker that offers any guaranteed update policy at all. Apple in practice offers about five years of updates, but they make no specific commitments and could change this at any time.

      Note also that Google's guaranteed support period has increased to four years on Pixel devices. IMO, it should be five years. I'm skeptical that it makes sense to support devices longer than that, just because such a small percentage of devices actually survive that l

      • Pixel has a 4 year support? That's good to know and may shift my purchasing decisions. Me and my family hold on to our phones for a long time.
        • Pixel has a 4 year support? That's good to know and may shift my purchasing decisions. Me and my family hold on to our phones for a long time.

          Sorry, no it doesn't. My mistake. It's three years. My confusion was caused by the fact that it used to be two years of major upgrades plus a third year of security patches, then they changed it to three years of major upgrades. I mistakenly assumed this meant three years of upgrades plus a year of security patches, but it's just three years of upgrades & patches.

          So Pixel 2 will be supported until October 2020. Pixel 3 until October 2021. They'll get version upgrades and monthly security patches u

    • This three years guaranteed updates policy is a complete and utter BS, Google. Modern smartphones are more than capable of serving the user not just for three years, they may work for up to a decade and this support window just doesn't cut it. It's bad for the environment, it's bad for people (since Google basically forces them to replace their perfectly working devices just to feel safe), it's bad for Android's popularity in general because when you e.g. buy into the Apple ecosystem you can expect more than five years of support and that leaves a bitter taste in your mouth since a lot of Android phones cost as much as or even more than the most expensive iPhones (Samsung Note9 512GB, Huawei Mate 20 Pro 256GB, etc).

      This must change.

      Yeah - last time the family upgraded, my son wanted to go android. He was yapping about how that would save money. Then the bill came in.

      But you aren't getting it right. The way this works is you take the most expensive Apple model, than compare it to the cheapest rock-bottom Android phone. Then yell "See, SEE? Applez shitz too spensive!"

    • Re:That's bad (Score:4, Insightful)

      by EvilSS ( 557649 ) on Wednesday November 07, 2018 @11:33AM (#57605778)
      Speaking of Apple, one big difference here is that iOS doesn't tie security updates to hardware the way Google is doing here (unless, of course, the particular issue is model specific). So if you have an old iPhone with a currently supported OS on it, it will get security updates for as long as Apple is releasing them for that version. I seems crazy that a Google branded Android device with a modern version of Android OS isn't going to get security updates for that OS now because the hardware and not the OS is out of support.
  • by The_Dougster ( 308194 ) on Wednesday November 07, 2018 @12:00PM (#57605978) Homepage

    https://wiki.lineageos.org/dev... [lineageos.org]

    I installed that on my 6p. Its extremely nice if I do say so myself. Had to flash the modem and vendor partitions so heads up.

  • All Hail Google, for deigning to support a "legacy" phone a a whole THREE YEARS after it stopped being sold!

    Meanwhile, iOS 12 not only FULLY SUPPORTS iPhones back to the 5c, but also actually significantly IMPROVES the performance of older iPhones.

    But Google somehow deserves Slashdot's praise for their "effort".

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