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Amazon, Google, Facebook, and Microsoft Workers Have Pledged To Strike on September 20 (vice.com) 102

In a historic first, more than 1,200 Amazon employees announced last week that they will walk out of their offices on September 20 over the company's carbon footprint. In the following days, tech workers at Microsoft, Facebook, and Google have announced they will also go on strike. From a report: Of the big five tech companies, this leaves Apple employees, who have yet to make any statement on the climate strikes, which will take place in 120 countries. On the day its competitors are striking, Apple will release the iPhone 11. While Apple claims that the iPhone is getting greener, it's still a product that necessarily requires exploiting the Earth, and, in some cases, labor.
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Amazon, Google, Facebook, and Microsoft Workers Have Pledged To Strike on September 20

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  • by chuckugly ( 2030942 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @10:34AM (#59203478)

    Promote a culture, pay the piper. Zero sh*ts given.

  • These overpaid assholes want the rest of us to live like serfs, because, feels.
    • by TWX ( 665546 )

      No they don't. You're giving them too much credit. They're not thinking about how you live at all. The way that you live doesn't even occur to them.

      They're thinking about the way that they live, or the way that they want to live.

  • by Z80a ( 971949 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @10:36AM (#59203506)

    Foxconn will pollute twice as normal on sep 20 to compensate for it.

  • This could go very badly for some of these employees. Amazon is a 5 9s organization. They will have a plane to survive this, and they may protect more against it in the future...
  • by TWX ( 665546 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @10:37AM (#59203520)

    Show me a manufactured product that doesn't exploit the Earth. Hell, show me a hunter-gatherer that isn't exploiting the Earth.

    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by GameboyRMH ( 1153867 )

      False equivalence nonsense, there are degrees of exploitation, a hunter-gatherer doesn't exploit the earth as much as a tar sands operation for example.

      There are also varying abilities to reduce environmental impact, and these cash-rich megacorps could switch to 100% renewable power tomorrow if they wanted to without incurring expenses to anyone to whom expenses are a meaningful problem, which is what these employees want.

      • Which might explain why Apple employees are not a part of this.

        Search "apple green energy" and you'll understand why.

      • these cash-rich megacorps could switch to 100% renewable power tomorrow if they wanted to

        One of them already has: Apple. Not just "carbon neutral" via carbon credits, offsets, or other PR tricks of that kind. Rather, they are actually operating 100% of their operations—including every retail store worldwide—directly off renewable energy, and have been doing so since late 2017 if memory serves.

        Not only that, they have also for several years been applying a carrot-and-stick approach to their suppliers by offering their expertise and financial incentives to switch to renewables while r

        • you deserve an upvote! unfortunately i already spent all of mine. the rabid anti-apple morons here will of course down vote you because you speak the truth
        • by CastrTroy ( 595695 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @12:52PM (#59204372)

          Directly off renewable energy?

          So the Apple Store in the mall in my city has their own individual power lines separate from the rest of the mall stores to ensure that every electron comes from a carbon neutral source rather than the local electrical grid which uses a mix of coal, gas, hydroelectric, nuclear, and others to produce the electricity?

          • So the Apple Store in the mall in my city has their own individual power lines separate from the rest of the mall stores to ensure that every electron comes from a carbon neutral source rather than the local electrical grid which uses a mix of coal, gas, hydroelectric, nuclear, and others to produce the electricity?

            Fair enough, my use of "directly" was an inadvertent overstatement, but to say they are operating them 100% on renewable energy is not. As they talk about in their environmental report [apple.com], where renewable energy hasn't been available, they've been building solar arrays and other renewable energy sources to power those facilities. They're supplying that energy to the local grid, which then delivers it back to them at their facilities, so while the electrons may not be the exact same ones, to say that they are p

            • by Falos ( 2905315 )

              Sounds kinda carbon taxy. Green here counts as green there.

              Not that I refute their claim. And "close enough" can be a reverse slippery slope. Goalposts inch out as the status quo catches up. "Always strive for better" or some motivational poster shit.

              Not that, as some conflators have mentioned, we'll ever be burden-free with human industry. Or should hope to be. We can burn a little ozone, long as we don't industrially fuck around we can still break even.

          • every electron comes from a carbon neutral source

            Yes. They count an approximation of the the electrons into their store and ensure an equal number of electrons from green sources were put into the grid to which they are attached. This makes complete sense, since due to the design of the electrical "grid" electrons are indistinguishable from one another once added to the grid. Running entirely separate mains would be less green simply due to the materials and disturbance caused.

      • by LazarusQLong ( 5486838 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @12:13PM (#59204158)
        No, they couldnt switch 'tomorrow', because it takes more than 24 hours to build an solar farm (which exploited the earth and polluted terribly when it was getting built!) stop calling Bullshit on other people until you get your own house in order. How many people does Amazon employ? 1200 is nothing.
        • The capacity is probably already there to literally switch "tomorrow," rather than just figuratively as a sane person might've interpreted - the slowest process might be the paperwork. Do you think that every 1kw of solar panel in existence corresponds to someone paying for 1kw of renewable power? The grid power market is far more complex than that.

    • Well yes, of course everything hurts in different degrees and frequencies. Sam's mom dropped an encyclopedia on Sam's foot, that hurt. Joes mom slowly removed joes fingernails with a pencil, then gradually poured boiling water over his skin, and finally flayed him alive. Both mothers hurt their children, but I do believe if I had to have one of these 2 mothers watch my son for a weekend, I wouldn't say "well all mothers will hurt their children... so there is no difference".
    • Show me a manufactured product that doesn't exploit the Earth. Hell, show me a hunter-gatherer that isn't exploiting the Earth.

      Exactly. And the word "exploit" has negative connotations that slant the story.

      We're simply making use of what we have or can get, that's all it is. It's only a problem when the usage becomes detrimental to the system (the Earth).

      I'm no fan of google or amazon as corporate entities and they could do better, but framing this as "exploiting the Earth" is a little hyperbolic.

    • Show me a manufactured product that doesn't exploit the Earth. Hell, show me a hunter-gatherer that isn't exploiting the Earth.

      Exactly. Where do these people think solar collectors and windmills come from? They come from these "evil corporations" that they keep protesting. The material to build them comes from mining the Earth. This means large and heavy machines using lots of energy to move many many tons of material. This material needs to be processed, refined, transported, and this means more large and heavy machines.

      How much material are we talking about? There's some intelligent and educated people that went to the trou

  • But in my day you had a job, and you went to work, and you did the job you were paid for. If you didn't agree with the direction a company was taking - be it into defense work you don't support or just something you see as strategically a bad idea - you could communicate your observations/objections up the chain (I once had a company fly me from the US to the UK for a 30 minute meeting with the CEO over such a communication), and the executives at whatever level would consider them (or not), and decided wh
    • by nnet ( 20306 )

      When did companies decided (sic) to bend over backwards for every popular grievance?

      When you become a slave to your workforce due to the skillset you require, and the lack of talent currently available.
      AKA leverage.
      One of the reasons why tech corps are trying to turn everyone into programmers, enlarge the pool of talent, drive down salaries for same.

  • Pink Slip List (Score:4, Interesting)

    by sdinfoserv ( 1793266 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @10:45AM (#59203576)
    Amazon has 575K workers. 1,200 “strikers” of 575,000 employees sounds like a good list to start trimming the overpaid, over opinionated fat
  • by Crashmarik ( 635988 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @10:45AM (#59203578)

    It's even better than Clevon Little in blazing saddles pointing a gun at his head and saying "Stop or I will shoot the N I G G E R"

    Good job guys. You have just made the best business case ever for these companies to move, and outsource even more to code monkeys in the third world.

  • ... except for the ground-pounders.

    We bitch about the corporations but the employees affect change.

    They need our support. We all need to go walk with them and take the risks they take on our behalf.

    Sadly, I won't be able to make it because I'm retired.

    Tell Aunt Martha I send my regards.

    Take photos and share.

  • by PeeAitchPee ( 712652 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @10:54AM (#59203634)
    These are probably the same idiots who are against nuclear power, one of the few things we can actually do to bring down everyone's carbon footprint. I remember when activism used to actually mean DOING something (e.g., Jimmy Carter building houses for Habitat for Humanity) instead of getting paid to take selfies of yourself and your fellow stooges circle-jerking about how woke you are. Work time is work time, not protest time . . . shame on the spineless big tech companies for not reigning in this shit.
    • by Z80a ( 971949 )

      Geothermal is also a option in many cases, but it don't sound "hippie" enough to cater the attention of those starbuck chuggers, so bird mauling blades and barely profitable panels of black it is.

    • These are probably the same idiots who are against nuclear power,

      I have the same suspicion.

      one of the few things we can actually do to bring down everyone's carbon footprint.

      That's right. I keep being told about how Germany is "doing fine" on their switch over from coal and nuclear to wind and sun. A close look will show that they are in a panic right now.
      https://www.powermag.com/germa... [powermag.com]

      The German government doesn't know how they are going to replace the electricity from coal and nuclear just yet. It's far easier to make that switch to wind and solar for that first 20%, 30%, 40%, or wherever they are now, than it is to replace that last 20%, 30%, o

  • by multriha ( 206019 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @10:55AM (#59203648)

    Wow, that seems like a little much just to participate in the Area 51 Raid.

    • by Revarg ( 4035425 )
      Yep, they knew they couldn't all get off work for the raid so they decided to call it a "strike"
  • Since they are walking out, I assume this means some kind of protest with signs and so on... sign produced by chopping down trees, or made using plastic and glues that further produced CO2.

    You can go way down the rabbit hole of things producing CO2, and never emerge.

    If they were all leaving for the day to plant a tree that would be one thing, But I see no sign of anything rational like that - just religious level bickering about some nebulous issue they are not helping.

    I mean, what do they want happen here?

  • by blindseer ( 891256 ) <blindseerNO@SPAMearthlink.net> on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @11:08AM (#59203716)

    All this doom and gloom from the "climate crisis" is wearing people thin and causing considerable anxiety, especially among children.
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/... [thedailybeast.com]
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/ne... [telegraph.co.uk]
    https://www.axios.com/climate-... [axios.com]

    Here's the first thing we all need to do...

    STOP TERRORIZING OUR CHILDREN!!

    The world is not going to end in 12 years. There will not be people resorting to cannibalism for food. Things might suck for a bit but for the most part kids will still be going to school, people will still have jobs, there will be food at the grocery store, we will have shelter, clothing, and fuel.

    These people leaving work and school to protest are simply looking for an outlet for this anxiety, looking for some way to contribute to the solution after being told for years that there is nothing that they can do.

    This needs to be dialed back to reflect the actual scale of the problem. This should not be a matter of daily discussion or driving people to leave work and school to protest.

    The next 12 years, or whatever the time frame is today for the expected "tipping point", will be no more of a "climate crisis" than the next 100 years. We are doing very well in lowering our CO2 emissions and have done well in the past. We will fix this. Calm down, because getting yourself worked up to the point of damaging your own health is not helping anyone.

    • Follow the money. The validity of the dangers are irrelevant. It is being used as an argument for winning elections and control of the economy.

      This was first noticed around 1970, when class warfare rhetoric was becoming a loser at the polls, and certain factions shifted to ecology, as it was then called, via pollution and shortage arguments.

      In many countries, this takes the form of corruption, to enrich the politicians by getting in the way of business, to get paid to get back out of the way.

      Always follow

      • Follow the money. The validity of the dangers are irrelevant. It is being used as an argument for winning elections and control of the economy.

        There are certainly elements of the political class using this to gain control of the economy. What is inexcusable is terrifying children towards their ends. These politicians are wanting us to panic so that we are willing to demand what we would otherwise bring pitchforks and torches to prevent.

        Don't panic, that only makes things worse.
        https://www.climatedepot.com/2... [climatedepot.com]

        Everyone, just calm down. We have time to do our research and look for options that are effective, affordable, and do not require giving

    • Another example of this going too far.
      https://dailycaller.com/2019/0... [dailycaller.com]

      These are people that are planning to block traffic in DC to encourage passage of the Green New Deal. Have these people lost their minds?

      Blocking traffic is illegal. It's going to piss off a lot of people. People that have work to do, people to see, and places to go. This will cause miles and miles of idling cars, which means more CO2 released unnecessarily. This is somehow supposed to get people on your side?

  • by hiroshimarrow ( 5489734 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @11:09AM (#59203726)

    Step 1: reduce employment numbers containing those who walk out of doing their jobs. This way, they don't have to spend gas and other resources for coming to work.

    Step 2: hire replacements for cheaper, because they are there and waiting.

    Step 3: put out a press release at how much you reduced your carbon footprint by having to have fewer employees come to the office, and when they get payed for less it's costing less energy to transfer the lower amount of money.

    Step 4: continue business as usual.

  • That they build all of their servers inhouse. https://www.wired.com/2012/07/google-server-manufacturing/ [wired.com]

    I thought they built servers specked to utilize as much CPU as possible, getting the most out of their processing power. But as of yet, I am unable to find a reliable source for that assumption. I would think by Google building it's own servers and choosing it's parts that it use's for cost efficiency that they would also be looking at their energy footprint trying to keep it down. If for no other
  • I don't get it (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Ogive17 ( 691899 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @11:10AM (#59203734)
    Are any of these employees who chose to work for these tech companies surprised their operations require a lot of energy generation, or in Amazon's case many miles for deliveries?
  • Walk out to show feelings about a "carbon footprint".
    In nations like India, New Zealand, Ireland productive workers have a feeling that are getting more a lot more US work to do.
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  • So the stuff I ordered and shipped via Prime will come in after 2 weeks instead of the usual one?

  • Sept 20th date and a bunch of millennials whining?
  • I think the article should more properly refer to those individuals as future former employees...
    • Big Tech will use this as an excuse to get rid of a bunch they have been wanting to fire, but can't due to various laws.

  • This is not the first strike. More than 2,000 workers at seven Amazon centers across Germany recently went on strike for at least two days' pay. Employees of not only large companies announced strikes, but small commercial enterprises suck ipayzz ( source link: https://ipayzz.com/ [ipayzz.com] ) also have problems with strikes. The main thing is that there are no problems with the supply of goods and people do not suffer from it.
  • Or will they be Naruto running into the defenses of Area 51?
  • But we need to take a moral stand and do the right thing to improve our carbon footprint. It's our responsibility to be a good corporate citizen, and focus on what's important, and by doing what we can to help improve the environment.

    It's important to virtue signal just how much we care while our companies data scrape everything there is to know about you and sell it to whoever they please. This is why we'll go so far as to strike. It's the ethical thing to do.

  • Climate change is about emotion, power, money and ignorance.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/a... [forbes.com]

    • Climate change is about emotion, power, money and ignorance.

      I'd put it more like...
      The panic over climate change is about emotion, power, money and ignorance.

      Or...
      Calling this a "climate crisis" is about emotion, power, money and ignorance.

      If this was about reducing CO2 emissions from human activity as quickly as possible then we'd be seeing demands for more nuclear power to replace coal, oil, and natural gas. Any concerns about what to do with the radioactive waste, or whatever else seems to come up as arguments against nuclear power, is something that can wait o

  • A strike is when you refuse to work until some demands are met. If you have no demands then you will get no results. The linked article just refers to a hashtag calling for a protest, but there doesn't seem to be any organization or demands.

    • It's organized by some Swedish teenager. Because somehow teenagers know better than adults now how the world works.
  • If they were truly concerned they would leave the organizations that are killing the Earth. But they want the paycheck so they will hang around instead.

    Most places will terminate employees for this behavior. We'll see what happens.

  • You know, if you really want to save the planet. Quit your job with the big tech firms. Just think of the carbon savings if everyone in Silicon Valley quit their jobs and the big tech firms shutdown!
    So kids, What are you going to do about it "Save The Planet"
    Remember sacrifice starts with YOU, all of you! We can not afford any half measures. Or so YOU say!

    Climate Victory!!! Sacrifice yourself today! You will have such a good self image which you can chat about on social media with pictures. OH Wait!
  • "it's still a product that necessarily requires exploiting the Earth, and, in some cases, labor."

    So does everything that we do.

    Make a sandwich, flush the toilet, walk on the Moon...everything requires labor and to some extent, 'exploiting' the Earth. Although a better term would be "utilizing" or "making use of". It's only a problem when the usage becomes detrimental to the system (the Earth)

    Nice way to frame it, though. When you eat a banana, are you 'exploiting' it? Did you 'exploit' that water you just d

  • Looks like traffic will be low in Seattle that day.
  • when they all walk out and the A.I. takes over and does a better job than the humans do?
    Just think, everyone walks out (quits) and no unemployment. Wouldn't that be a kick in the pants?
  • Each of these companies' largest (AWS next-to-largest) regions are powered by renewable hydroelectricity and solar in Oregon.

  • Thousands of adults are going to ditch work on Friday in order to hang out with a 16 year old Swedish girl? This is a joke, right?
  • Yet cranking out babies left and right which DRASTICALLY increases their carbon footprints. Hypocrites.

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