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Google Resumes Its Attack on the URL Bar, Hides Full Addresses on Chrome 86 (androidpolice.com) 231

An anonymous reader shares a report: Google has tried on and off for years to hide full URLs in Chrome's address bar, because apparently long web addresses are scary and evil. Despite the public backlash that came after every previous attempt, Google is pressing on with new plans to hide all parts of web addresses except the domain name in Chrome 86, this time accompanied by an admittedly hover animation. The new look builds upon the animation-less hover reveal that's already in testing, but in contrast to that method, the improved variant also displays the protocol and the subdomain, which remain invisible in the older version. That's achieved with a neat sliding animation that moves over the visible part of the URL to make space for the strings preceding it.
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Google Resumes Its Attack on the URL Bar, Hides Full Addresses on Chrome 86

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  • by sabri ( 584428 ) on Friday August 14, 2020 @11:16AM (#60401297)
    Every few years, they find a way to piss users off. I'm tired of this.
    • by hcs_$reboot ( 1536101 ) on Friday August 14, 2020 @11:20AM (#60401315)
      Give Brave a try. (just opt out of the "brave rewards" and you're good to go). The big plus: native ad blocker (the web sites don't even know their ads are not showing)
      • by Joe Jordan ( 453607 ) on Friday August 14, 2020 @11:26AM (#60401331) Journal
        It takes two seconds to install uBlock Origin, and you get the added benefit of supporting a rendering engine other than Google's Chromium. If Mozilla's politics bother you and you want a more indie feel to your browser without sacrificing quality, give Waterfox a try.
        • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

          It's not like an extension. The site doesn't detect that you're blocking its ads. And Brave is very fast. (Using FF as well).
          • by Darinbob ( 1142669 ) on Friday August 14, 2020 @12:32PM (#60401625)

            Yes and no. This was true I think in the past.. You could serve up invisible ads, replacing them with 1x1 pixels and the like. But with everyting so massively rewritten to use javascript everywhere, the ads are being served up by the javascript itself. And those scripts know if the content was loaded or not. So even if it's ultimately hidden, you still have to waste all the bandwidth or the script will know you're trying to block ads. Many websites will just refuse to show any information at all if you have scripts block, or you block a third-party script or image.

            • by thegreatbob ( 693104 ) on Friday August 14, 2020 @01:19PM (#60401773) Journal
              Most anti-adblock mechanisms i've witnessed redirect/cover/hide/delete page content *after* the page has completely loaded - having to make an additional back-and-forth, after waiting for ads to load, before loading any content would hurt their load times, and therefore page ranks. I only allow first-party scripts by default, as many pages do load their content dynamically, and this is good enough for 99% of pages I view. Selectively loading the few third-party scripts needed to properly render pages also tends to neuter a lot of ad farms and beacons. Also, if a page insists on redirecting shortly after loading, spamming escape (or using firefox's reader mode, if it works there) can help.
            • I'm ok with the bandwidth usage. My aversion to ads is their visual intrusion. If Brave can block the appearance of the adds without those annoying "disable your adblocker" popups (which to me is really a "Disable Javascript on this page" notification . . .), then I'm willing to try it.

          • A question: I've had lots of websites (CNN is one, IIRC) try to block me when I use Firefox, despite having the AdBlock protection turned off for that site. The result is I can't browse those sites even with ad block turned off. What gives?

        • If Mozilla's politics bother you

          Mozilla browser has politics??

          New one on me.

          I"ve used it since back when it was Netscape and I've yet to have anything political pop up on it or take me to a site I didn't want to go to or that was political one way or another....?

    • The latest mobile Firefox version hides https:/// [https] and www too. You can't change the homepage or access about:config anymore. It's time to let it die.
      • by Z00L00K ( 682162 )

        Yes, that version had me badly pi$$ed off and I rated it a one star on Google Play, then I got hold of the APK for version 68 and turned off the auto-update and now I have resorted to manually updating the apps individually to avoid losing the last decent Firefox.

      • Use beta/nightlies. A bit safer than holding back versions. Protocol/subdomain hiding is stupid though (must give them a slight pass relative to desktop browsers, due to much narrower screen in portrait orientation).
    • Give me a very simple choice to switch back to display the full address (including protocol). Simple! Don't say, just use an add-on. For the average user this change makes sense. As a full-time dev/tech I need to see the full address.
      • Give me a very simple choice to switch back to display the full address (including protocol).

        You could even label the choice "Do you want to hide details of the domain name so it is easier for hackers to mislead you?" so as not to obscure the purpose.

        This is similar to the Windows strategy of hiding file extensions so hackers could send you a .exe in an email that said it was a jpeg. Only criminals can gain from it.

  • by grub ( 11606 ) <slashdot@grub.net> on Friday August 14, 2020 @11:17AM (#60401299) Homepage Journal
    Dump Chrome, move to Firefox. Problem solved.
  • by sinij ( 911942 ) on Friday August 14, 2020 @11:19AM (#60401313)
    This is Google trying to eliminate all alternatives to Google Search. What is the point of building all that censorship apparatus if someone can bypass it by typing in ungood URL? This can't be allowed to happen.
    • by _xeno_ ( 155264 ) on Friday August 14, 2020 @11:34AM (#60401357) Homepage Journal

      I doubt it - if anything, they're copying Apple. I don't care to look up when Apple started doing this, but Safari and Mobile Safari both only show the domain name in the address bar. (Which isn't really an address bar - Apple just flat-out hides the address bar until you actively attempt to access it by scrolling up past the top of the document. Then, suddenly, the centered tab label becomes an address bar.)

      And as Apple has no search product and currently defaults to Google thanks to a deal they have with Google, but otherwise Apple and Google sort of hate each other, it seems unlikely this is intended to drive people to Google Search.

      So you can thank Apple for this example of wonderful UX design.

      • by cayenne8 ( 626475 ) on Friday August 14, 2020 @12:48PM (#60401685) Homepage Journal

        I doubt it - if anything, they're copying Apple. I don't care to look up when Apple started doing this, but Safari and Mobile Safari both only show the domain name in the address bar.

        Funny, Safari on my desktop Mac shows the full URL on all the tabs I have open currently.

        I'll have to go check my iPad and phone to see if the same, but I know I've not had problems cutting and pasting whole URLs from Safari mobile in the past to send on emails or text messages....

    • by hcs_$reboot ( 1536101 ) on Friday August 14, 2020 @11:34AM (#60401359)

      This is Google trying to eliminate all alternatives to Google Search

      Probably not that. DId you follow how the Google Search results and the Google News results were presented to you in recent years?
      Google News doesn't even bother to show you the actual link (eg a CNN link), this is a Google link that, then, redirects to the actual page. But on a mobile device, the actual news site is embedded in an iframe, and while you read the news you stay within Google (the parent frame). This way Google can "keep" you around thanks to a small "back" link on top (that belongs to Google, replacing virtually the browser back button)
      Hiding the URL would hide the fact that while you visit a site from a Search, you're actually viewing an iframe, having Google on top, the URL bar in this case shows the Google site, not the "visited from search" site.

  • This is just another example of this spyware trying to do its best to trick people into using only its services. Guaranteed at some point they will make it so the only way to get to a web site is through their own. You won't be able to go directly to the site of your choice.

    Not to mention the killing of KISS. Why make it easy for people to see and use a URL bar when you can make it as complicated as making vichysoisse.

  • by TiberiusKirk ( 2715549 ) on Friday August 14, 2020 @11:25AM (#60401327)
    Huh?
  • by Synonymous Cowered ( 6159202 ) on Friday August 14, 2020 @11:27AM (#60401343)

    I don't quite see how this is a problem. Most users have little interest in seeing all the elements in the path of a url. The biggest issue is, what is the domain. That can be obscured through various tricks, like the embedded username/password, which makes it more difficult to visually see exactly what domain you are on. Putting the focus on the domain solves this for most people.

    As far as the full URL, as soon as you move your cursor up there, it shows you the whole URL, so it's not exactly gone. Even as a developer, I rarely care to just "see" the URL. Usually I'll also want to copy or edit it, in which case the whole URL will show up when you go to do that.

    I'm pretty sure the majority won't care. And for the ones that are bothered, I suspect 99% of them are perfectly capable of figuring out how to toggle the config option. I'm not really that bothered about taking 15 seconds to make a one time change if it helps thousands of users better judge where they are and not make the mistake of adding their machine to a botnet. A minuscule inconvenience to help reduce a major problem.

    • Most users have little interest in seeing all the elements in the path of a url.

      Most people have little interest in seeing all the elements in the list of a grocery bill. That doesn't mean it shouldn't be there.
    • by lessSockMorePuppet ( 6778792 ) on Friday August 14, 2020 @11:45AM (#60401403) Homepage

      I'm tired of hiding everything, requiring 15 clicks to do anything, undiscoverable interfaces...

      Fitts' Law. Make my life easier, not harder. I switched to Brave because FF and Chrome have dedicated themselves to making browsing a chore.

    • "The majority won't care" = "The majority can be led to do anything we want, especially if we can make money off it."

    • by NagrothAgain ( 4130865 ) on Friday August 14, 2020 @12:13PM (#60401501)
      You could address such concerns by highlighting the domain or other similar methods to create a visual separation while still showing the entire url.
      • They did this before. It helped a little, but people still got confused. It wasn't clear enough what was going on. When people looked at the url, there was still a lot of junk and not as easy to digest it all.

        • The real issue here is that you can't fix stupid.

          You can hide various parts of the url, but it's not going to help the people that just don't understand what makes domain names safe or dangerous.

          They're going to keep trying anyway, apparently. We're going to end up with something like the "idiot light" in a car, and we'll have to consult Google for information about what's wrong.

    • I think for most people and for most uses, it's not a problem. Most people don't pay attention to the URL, don't understand what a URL is, what it means, or how it works. It's just an arbitrary string that you put into the box to bring up a specific website. Insofar as you're dealing with those people, it doesn't matter much what displays in the address bar.

      I can see why someone might like this. It's cleaner and highlights the domain. Arguably this might help a little to prevent phishing attacks, but

      • I'll note that Safari already does this. It just shows the domain. I use Safari constantly and never noticed. Personally, I don't think I'll have a problem.

        If you care about not being tracked you may want to reconsider that. If you click on links in emails you receive, or send links to either people via email, there's often loads of redundant tracking info in those URL's. For example, do an Amazon search for products, then click on one of the products that show up. The URL you arrive at is FAR longer than what's needed to get to that web page. It's easy to see where the product ID ends and the tracking begins. Anything after the product ID contains info about

    • by acroyear ( 5882 )

      well, one issue will be when Chrome is lying to you about the actual domain because it is rendering an amp page off of their own servers.

    • The old "most people" card. Most people don't know how to overhaul an engine, but that does not mean we should start making cars (well, ICE cars anyway) without a hood that opens.

      Please, don't advocate for making the LCD even dumber, and handcuffing the ones who know what they are doing.

  • Innovation (Score:5, Insightful)

    by organgtool ( 966989 ) on Friday August 14, 2020 @11:35AM (#60401365)
    Ooooh, maybe they could just get rid of URLs altogether and use a bunch of proprietary keywords to take you to page you want to go to. It just seems like the next step in Google's progression of innovation for the web.
  • ... hide all parts of web addresses except the domain name ...

    Yes, because the domain name *is* the entire website. /sarcasm

    Thanks again Google; I'll be sure to continue setting whatever options needed to disable this and always show the full URL, or as much as our Chrome overlords will allow us to see. (Reason #googol why I don't use Chrome as my main browser.)

  • by gweihir ( 88907 ) on Friday August 14, 2020 @11:47AM (#60401415)

    This is both.

    • This is both.

      If you're a web developer, perhaps. But of the billion+ people who use Chrome, web devs are, to a first-order approximation, 0%. To the rest, everything after the domain name is noise... and the fact that that noise can be manipulated to fake the domain name is a huge problem.

      I understand URLs -- heck, I even understand URIs and URNs! -- but I pretty rarely need to see the URL unless I'm going to copy and paste it, or maybe edit it. In both of those cases, the new Chrome works fine. You can look at the URL by hovering (though I can't think why I'd really care to do that, unless it's for a site I'm working on, and I mostly avoid that sort of work), or you can click to copy or edit, no additional steps required.

      This change will make phishing significantly harder, while barely inconveniencing anyone who for whatever reason wants to see the URL. It's a good idea. All of the other browsers will end up copying it, because it's a good idea.

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        • People who have a real need for the Caps Lock key are, to the billion+ people who use computers, 0% of the userbase too. Can we get rid of Caps Lock first, because it actually causes problems for the 99.9%+ of us

          LOL. I disable the Caps Lock key on my machines, remapping it to be another control key :-)

          there is literally no downside to anyone when it comes to showing full URLs? (and it's more than just "web devs" who need it.)

          There's an enormous downside to showing full URLs. It facilitates phishing. For a few examples of the ways this is done, look at https://mlhale.github.io/nebra... [github.io]. The idea is that the browser should parse the URL and display only the actual domain name, which defeats nearly all of the attacks.

  • by cygnusvis ( 6168614 ) on Friday August 14, 2020 @11:51AM (#60401433)
    I write alot web apps and the information displayed in the address bar is valuable to me. I will switch to edge if they do this.
  • The assertion that hiding the URL will help people against phishing is strong and has to be proved. What it certainly will do, is to bar whoever is not technically illiterate from understanding what's going on with his navigation. It is also certain that it will prevent people from learning the basic concept behind the web, that every resource can be reached by a URL; and this will make them even less empowered and more vulnerable to phishing.
    What is probable, and this is my opinion, is that Google will tak
  • Still not in 84, so this is like 4 versions with Tab Groups but no collapse function, which is 80% of the reason for the Tab Group feature.

  • Now that Mozilla has been gutted and Chrome asserting monopoly status with moves like this we need an independent browser foundation more than ever. I say we take the Servo engine and the Firefox 56 UI and extensions to begin with. We have hundreds of Linux distros and cryptocurrencies why not hundreds of browsers.
    • Let's resurrect XUL while we're at it. And NPAPI. Is there a good word that embodies the extreme opposite 'monoculture'? (snark aside, making the ostensibly modular components of modern browsers a bit more discrete seems like a good thing to me - if the UI is almost completely independent of the page rendering engine, what technical reasons exist that would prevent them from being interchangeable?)
  • I'll stick with browsers that show actual URLs....

  • Just stop this bullshit already. We don't need the URL hidden from us. Stop treating us like babies.

    How 'bout you fuckers spend some time fixing the outstanding bugs in your code before you do any more polishing of that turd you call Chrome?

  • by Midnight Thunder ( 17205 ) on Friday August 14, 2020 @12:37PM (#60401647) Homepage Journal

    You can actually get the full URL display back, but it requires a little delving into the Chrome flags.

    See the article "How to Always Show Full URLs in Google Chrome [howtogeek.com]".

    I would rather they focus on highlighting parts of the URL than hiding it, but that's clearly not the route the went with. Would be curious if there are any Chrome forks, that try to address some of Google's "great" user interface notions.

  • This whole non-sense of hiding the source of the propaganda that your reading goes back to Google wanting to be your overlord. This is a dangerous approach for users as hackers can now rest assured that they don't even have to come up with a domain that is similar in spelling to the original as Google has aided them in this effort. In fact, this creates an Internet that is even more dangerous to open a link,either from an existing website or an E-Mail, even when you trust the source!!! Greedy Overlords O
  • by xanthos ( 73578 ) <xanthos&toke,com> on Friday August 14, 2020 @12:44PM (#60401673)
    There was a time in the US where the countryside was littered with billboards until people finally cried "Enough!" and some reasonable restrictions were put in place. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a mechanism to do that with the web and we continue to lose real estate to commercial interests and those who enable them. I'm sorry sir but I did not come to the internet today to view your obnoxious video ad taking up my screen. I don't mind a banner ad or a footer ad but those plus two galley ads and the interminable delay as the backend brokers bid me out is driving me away from sites i would otherwise spend time on. (I'm looking at you CNN.) I want a search engine that rates sites based on my criteria. Low number of ads. Low or no javascript. Low or no trackers. If you a creator i bet you not to sell yourself so cheap. Use patreon or find a less intrusive as service than Google and serve your readers over the greed machine.
  • commercial/government walled garden. The walls were just small and easily ignored.
    But now I am thinking more and more that the deep and dark might be for me.

    So time to check out/setup a .onion site ;)
  • Why the hell would you even do this in the first place? It's a Microsoft-like move: "Oh no no no silly end-user, you don't need to see big old nasty URLs, those are powerful and complicated and not for silly end-user children! Here, all you need to know is this much, mmkay sweetie?"
    Eat shit and die, Google. I want ALL THE INFORMATION not just what YOU think I need.
  • It seems like Google is starting to run out of ideas and doesn't want to face it.
  • by EzInKy ( 115248 ) on Friday August 14, 2020 @01:52PM (#60401861)

    Maybe I'm weird, but I really want to know where I'm going before I get there.

  • by dark.nebulae ( 3950923 ) on Friday August 14, 2020 @02:04PM (#60401899)

    We really should be asking, Why does Google want to get rid of the address bar?

    I don't think "long URLs are scary" is the reason at all.

    They have been grabbing content and showing it within their domain. With a full address bar, you can tell that you are looking at their content vs perhaps a source you trust more.

    Plus, just like companies can pay to move to top of search, they could also pay to transfer you to a different site than the one you were looking for, plus you'll be none the wiser since the address is hidden.

    Google has an agenda with hiding the address bar. Let's be clear about that. And the pushback they've received in the past is because the rest of us do not want to be part of that agenda.

    • by PPH ( 736903 )

      Why does Google want to get rid of the address bar?

      Good question. Because when they implement DoH, they can resolve that URL any way they want.

      Citizen! What are you doing clicking on that low ranked link? You must have made a mistake. We will direct you to our partner site, which is where you must have wanted to go in the first place.

  • I Would not Mind if it Saves Space, for example compacting tabs and URL/Buttons together. Obviously I still want full access to the URL to copy/edit/paste it, I won't ever use share buttons...
  • ... don't show the real domain at all, just show the domain google wants you to associate with the site that google is serving to you. Eventually, why show content from the desired site at all? Why not just show google commercials no matter where you visit?
  • Soon you'll be logging into yourbank.com and not even notice the problem until your account is empty. Thanks google
  • by Malays2 bowman ( 6656916 ) on Friday August 14, 2020 @08:06PM (#60402813)

    During the past couple days, the search site has been broken. Double quotes don't work anymore, and other people I've spoken to have been noticing the same thing.

    I've switched to Duckduckgo, because Google search has become a shitshow, and I need to get work done. I don't have time to play Google's games.

    All this time, I thought M$ would fall before Google, but now it seems Google is trying to kill itself as fast as possible. :\
    If they want to survive, they need to drop the whole "machine learning" and different results for different devices schtick, and go back to what they were a few years ago.

    I've already switched to Firefox on my laptop, and I see no reason to ever switch back to Chrome.

  • by devslash0 ( 4203435 ) on Saturday August 15, 2020 @07:40AM (#60403645)
    - Chrome does what it really wants, making it unpredictable and unstable.
    - So does Edge.
    - Opera is owned by the Chinese and getting increasingly stuffed with commercial features and tracking.
    - Safari is a usability joke and platform-specific.
    - Internet Explorer... Let's skip this one over in silence, shall we?
    - ... and Firefox has just announced that they are going to be focusing more on commercial side of the browser, which means that it's going to go to crap very flippin' soon. It also baffles me that a browser advertised as an answer to security lacks a basic sandbox.

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