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Shopify Removes Trump Stores, Citing President's Support For Violence (cnet.com) 478

Shopify has removed stores affiliated with President Trump from its platform, citing a violation of its policies that prohibit users from promoting or supporting organizations that foment violence. CNET reports: "Shopify does not tolerate actions that incite violence," a spokesperson said in a statement. "Based on recent events, we have determined that the actions by President Donald J. Trump violate our Acceptable Use Policy, which prohibits promotion or support of organizations, platforms or people that threaten or condone violence to further a cause." Earlier today, Facebook blocked Trump's account indefinitely.

Twitter, Snapchat, and Twitch also disabled Trump's accounts.
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Shopify Removes Trump Stores, Citing President's Support For Violence

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  • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Thursday January 07, 2021 @06:07PM (#60908832)
    since his loss. Pretty sure losing Shopify was worth it.
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      If there's one funny thing about all this it's imagining these fucking goobers, half of whom are probably barely above the poverty line, rushing to give money to a (fake) "billionaire". I love it and fully support it and would encourage any Trumpanistas out there to give much and give often to the Trump organization for my entertainment.
      • by cusco ( 717999 ) <brian@bixby.gmail@com> on Thursday January 07, 2021 @06:25PM (#60908940)

        Considering the competence of the people he tends to hire I would expect that half a billion to disappear down a rat hole very soon.

        • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

          Lol, the Trumpkins are out on force modding... Anyway, yeah he'll end up spending a not insignificant portion of it on legal expenses over the next 5 years too.

          When he had the office of US President to shield him it was probably mitigated to some degree, but being without a doubt the most hated man in the world as a private citizen is...not going to be fun for that oaf. If he's dumb enough to eat out he will be eating more sperm and phlegm than food most of the time, and that's going to be one of his minor

          • by timeOday ( 582209 ) on Thursday January 07, 2021 @07:36PM (#60909212)
            'Legal expenses' is what it was purportedly for, wasn't it? "Trump-family slush fund" was in the fine print.
          • by swillden ( 191260 ) <shawn-ds@willden.org> on Thursday January 07, 2021 @08:52PM (#60909438) Journal

            Anyway, yeah he'll end up spending a not insignificant portion of it on legal expenses over the next 5 years too.

            He should seriously consider encouraging his cabinet to 25A his ass, so Pence can take the job for a few days and pardon him. It wouldn't shield him from state charges, but it would cover most everything he could have done while president.

            His ego won't allow that, though.

            • if Trump bows out in disgrace he won't be able to scam people out of money in his retirement. It'll break the spell. That's why he didn't even admit he lost in his "concession" speech (seriously, go watch it if you doubt me, he still heavily implied that he won, and never said "I concede" or anything like it).

              He's going to grift those 74 million that voted for him till his dying day. Hopefully enough join him to split the nut job vote and torpedo the Republican party. Then the rest of us can split the D
      • by superdave80 ( 1226592 ) on Thursday January 07, 2021 @06:42PM (#60909014)

        Even funnier is that half of those "Stop The Steal!" funds are already earmarked for paying off previous debt.

        https://www.usatoday.com/story... [usatoday.com]

        But a disclaimer on the website states that 50% of any donation will go toward the campaign's general election debt retirement and the other half toward the campaign's recount account, the Wall Street Journal first reported.

        It's crazy how many people still fall for the obvious cons of an obvious con man.

        • by fahrbot-bot ( 874524 ) on Thursday January 07, 2021 @07:09PM (#60909130)

          Even funnier is that half of those "Stop The Steal!" funds are already earmarked for paying off previous debt.

          And sadly ironic were the many people storming the Capital building carrying "Stop the Steal" signs while literally trying to steal the election for Trump, at his urging.

          [rant] And, yes, he lost -- according the current election laws of the various states, laws which were all upheld by their state courts, state supreme courts, federal courts and US supreme court with no legitimate proof or evidence that those laws were violated. If you don't like the way *state* presidential elections are conducted, lobby those states to change their current laws -- something people like *all* the House and Senate State/US Representatives should know, especially Senator Josh Hawley (R) Missouri and Senator Ted Cruz (R) Texas who both clerked for the US Supreme Court. (Sorry, still tired and a little punchy from staying up all night watching people storm the Capital building and the US Congress Electoral Vote Count and Republican Electoral Vote Count Theater last night.) [/rant]

          • by swillden ( 191260 ) <shawn-ds@willden.org> on Friday January 08, 2021 @09:35AM (#60910664) Journal

            [rant] And, yes, he lost -- according the current election laws of the various states, laws which were all upheld by their state courts, state supreme courts, federal courts and US supreme court with no legitimate proof or evidence that those laws were violated.

            It's actually a bit deeper than that.

            Joe Biden was elected on December 14th. All of that hullabaloo on November 3rd had nothing to do with it, from a constitutional perspective. The Constitution doesn't say anything about a popular vote for president, national, statewide, by district, or any other sort. It says that the state legislatures appoint electors. The fact that all states (and DC) happen to use a popular vote to decide how to appoint electors does not change the fact that the real election of president is done by the electoral college. Yes, we've gotten accustomed to thinking of the EC as a mere formality. It is not. Not according to the fundamental law of the land.

            Now, if some state has bad election policies and processes that enable fraud, that's a problem, but it's purely a state problem. No other states have any say in it, nor does Congress[*]. It's up to the citizens of that state to push their legislature to define a better process for appointing electors and if they won't, to vote them out and vote in someone who will. If the citizens of that state like fraud and like effectively disenfranchising a majority of their voters -- or even if they want to disenfranchise all of them and use a coin flip to pick the outcome -- that is completely and totally fine, constitutionally. At least with respect to appointment of electors who will elect the president.

            Another potential problem is that state legislators might define a process for appointing electors -- e.g. via a popular election with particular policies and procedures -- and then the executive branch of the state responsible for executing that process could break state law by using a different process. In that case, the proper recourse under the Constitution is to the courts, same as any other case where the state government failed to follow state law. If the state courts don't handle the case correctly, or if, as happened in Pennsylvania, it's the state Supreme Court that ordered the executive branch to break the law, then the aggrieved citizens of that state (note: Not the losing candidate, nor anyone in any other state) should appeal to the federal courts.

            This is how it works under our Constitution, unless it's changed via amendment. It doesn't matter if states had wildly fraudulent elections (they didn't, but it wouldn't matter if they did), once the state's electors cast their ballots, it's over. There's no mechanism for re-running the electoral college vote. And if someone outside of the state wants to change the choice of electors before they vote, they're out of luck. If someone in the state wants to, they'd better get either the courts or the legislature to handle it.

            .

            [*] Note that many Republicans have been arguing that Congress does have a role in verifying the integrity of the popular elections, and they cited Article I Section 4 of the constitution, which authorizes Congress to regulate the Time, Place and Manner of elections. What they failed to notice, or ignored, is that that section applies only to elections of Representatives and Senators. Congress does not have any authority to regulate the popular elections for president because according to the Constitution, no such thing exists. Only an Electoral College election. What Congress should do is to verify the integrity of the elections for Representatives and Senators. Given that those elections are conducted at the same time and on the same ballots as the presidential popular votes, properly-securing the votes for Congress will do the same for the popular votes for president. But they would perform that duty by questioning and investigating the elections of members of their own houses, not by disputing the presidential outcome.

            • by Nidi62 ( 1525137 )

              [*] Note that many Republicans have been arguing that Congress does have a role in verifying the integrity of the popular elections, and they cited Article I Section 4 of the constitution, which authorizes Congress to regulate the Time, Place and Manner of elections. What they failed to notice, or ignored, is that that section applies only to elections of Representatives and Senators. Congress does not have any authority to regulate the popular elections for president because according to the Constitution, no such thing exists. Only an Electoral College election. What Congress should do is to verify the integrity of the elections for Representatives and Senators. Given that those elections are conducted at the same time and on the same ballots as the presidential popular votes, properly-securing the votes for Congress will do the same for the popular votes for president. But they would perform that duty by questioning and investigating the elections of members of their own houses, not by disputing the presidential outcome.

              Of course, none of those Representatives and Senators elected on November 3rd on the same ballot as Trump have argued that their own elections were fraudulent, only his. So they would be looking for fraud in elections that they do not allege to have been fraudulent in an attempt to prove fraud in a different election.

        • It's crazy how many people still fall for the obvious cons of an obvious con man.

          Not really, I have lived through several periods where people kept telling me there is no such thing as a real estate bubble.

        • by quantaman ( 517394 ) on Thursday January 07, 2021 @08:13PM (#60909304)

          Even funnier is that half of those "Stop The Steal!" funds are already earmarked for paying off previous debt.

          https://www.usatoday.com/story... [usatoday.com]

          But a disclaimer on the website states that 50% of any donation will go toward the campaign's general election debt retirement and the other half toward the campaign's recount account, the Wall Street Journal first reported.

          It's crazy how many people still fall for the obvious cons of an obvious con man.

          Nah, that can't be right.

          Since when does Trump pay back a debt??

    • by jythie ( 914043 ) on Thursday January 07, 2021 @06:16PM (#60908894)
      I imagine it is mostly impacting 3rd parties selling trump themed merch rather than trump himself.
  • Damnit ! (Score:5, Funny)

    by fahrbot-bot ( 874524 ) on Thursday January 07, 2021 @06:07PM (#60908834)

    Now where am I going to get official Trump, "Make America a Third-World Banana-Republic Again" merch? China? Oh, wait ...

    • by cusco ( 717999 )

      Damn, you beat me to it!

  • Okay fine (Score:2, Insightful)

    But then they also need to remove all antifa-aligned stuff (may have already removed a few, don't recall), and BLM, Nation of Islam, PLO, riot bailout funds, and everyone else.

    Selective application of an otherwise unobjectionable set of rules is, on the whole, harmful.
    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      They need do no such thing. If anything more companies should go all in on further marginalizing the Trump brigade. Kick them off social media, stop selling their "merch", stop providing DNS/hosting services for them, etc...

      This will probably send more of them out on their little shooting/bombing rampages but at least we can get this shit over with and move on to real life.

      What's double-plus funny is the Whitehouse just made a statement condemning the violence. So are the Trumpers going to decide that now T

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by chispito ( 1870390 )

      But then they also need to remove all antifa-aligned stuff (may have already removed a few, don't recall), and BLM, Nation of Islam, PLO, riot bailout funds, and everyone else. Selective application of an otherwise unobjectionable set of rules is, on the whole, harmful.

      I'm generally not a fan of reactionary bans like this in the first place, where it's clear they do not enforce their policies equally for across the political spectrum.

      But I'm feeling pretty okay with this one.

    • Censorship is never neutral, that's the whole point
  • We must be paragon of wokeness in this world.

  • by Dereck1701 ( 1922824 ) on Thursday January 07, 2021 @06:14PM (#60908880)

    Does anyone know what tweets from Trump are supposedly "inciting violence", at least what lists of tweets/articles I can find don't include any that sound like they do so in any meaningful way.

    https://projects.propublica.or... [propublica.org]

    • I don't think he did in any legally defined sense of e.g. "incitement". It was more blatant irresponsibility and idiocy. It's like those morons who are cleaning their guns and shoot their spouse or kid. Not intentional murder but I'd still send them to prison for life, personally - that kind of dangerous stupid doesn't need to be walking around free.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Dereck1701 ( 1922824 )

      And here appears to be the video that was blocked, while he's ranting about the outcome of the election to be sure, every other sentence is also a call for peace and for people to go home. Hardly an incitement/glorification of violence.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]

      • by thegarbz ( 1787294 ) on Thursday January 07, 2021 @06:37PM (#60908984)

        while he's ranting about the outcome of the election to be sure, every other sentence is also a call for peace and for people to go home. Hardly an incitement/glorification of violence.

        Let me compliment you: "I respect you a lot and you're a very nice guy despite the fact I think you're an f-ing moron."

        Now please thank me for the compliment. And if you don't feel the desire to thank me then also question what a Trump supporter who is making a last ditch effort to save the "stolen election" would think when their leader reaffirms that the election was stolen.

        • Just being upset about something doesn't make you support violence. If someone says black people are oppressed and but you should remain peaceful then a bunch of people go out and riot, is it the originals persons fault?

          I can believe that in Trump's mind that is possibly the truth that he believes, the election was stolen in his head, he is a nut job, and maybe he has even gas lighted himself into believing it. He lies to everyone else why not himself. After all he thinks he is smart as well, self made and

      • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        Continuing to lie about the election result and the validity of the result is what got us to this point. Calling it fraudulent leads to violence no matter what else he says.

    • by ArchieBunker ( 132337 ) on Thursday January 07, 2021 @06:30PM (#60908958)

      Probably when he told the angry mob “we love you” and “you’re very special people”. Instructing the mob to walk to the capital wasn’t a hot idea either. Hours later he tells people to go home and then still claims the election was stolen. Even Mike Pence is done with his shit. Pence had to shelter from the mob.

      • Probably when he told the angry mob “we love you” and “you’re very special people”. Instructing the mob to walk to the capital wasn’t a hot idea either. Hours later he tells people to go home and then still claims the election was stolen. Even Mike Pence is done with his shit. Pence had to shelter from the mob.

        Hey, I think he should be removed based on this behavior, but do note that politicians and the news media have been glorifying violent mobs for much of the last year. This particular mob just happened to be the most offensive across the political divide that I can think of.

        Coddling them as he did may have just prevented any continued Trumpism in the GOP.

    • by ljw1004 ( 764174 ) on Thursday January 07, 2021 @06:42PM (#60909012)

      Does anyone know what tweets from Trump are supposedly "inciting violence", at least what lists of tweets/articles I can find don't include any that sound like they do so in any meaningful way.

      https://projects.propublica.or... [propublica.org]

      I bet you get baffled in movies where the mafia boss instructs his henchmen "take him out" and then the henchman shot the person rather than taking them out to dinner.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      Your link shows a bunch of tweets denying the outcome of the election and insisting that it was fraudulent.

      Taken together with his speech those messages incited the violence yesterday.

    • by jittles ( 1613415 ) on Thursday January 07, 2021 @09:46PM (#60909590)

      Does anyone know what tweets from Trump are supposedly "inciting violence", at least what lists of tweets/articles I can find don't include any that sound like they do so in any meaningful way.

      https://projects.propublica.or... [propublica.org]

      THey've all been deleted but somewhere I have screenshots. AT 2:26pm he sent a tweet blaming it all on Pence - saying that he let the election be stolen and that people needed to stand up and be strong and show congress that they mean business. He did not overtly say "go storm the capitol" but if you watch the video of his speeches and put them in context with his tweets over the last few months I think it's quite clear that he was trying to cause trouble. I would liken his behavior to shouting fire in a crowded theater. He didn't actually tell anyone to panic and trample people to death. But he is directly responsible for the trampling by causing the sequence of events that lead up to it.

  • What's changed? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by OrangeTide ( 124937 ) on Thursday January 07, 2021 @06:18PM (#60908902) Homepage Journal

    Before he was president he famously told security to rough up people being escorted from his rally. He's always been an abusive tyrant, and anyone that is is finally understanding it in the final 2 weeks of his presidency is either an idiot or a con-artist.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      Mostly agree, but I would ask the question - how unlikeable must the other side be (left wingnuts) for people to flock to a piece of shit like Trump? And frankly that's half of his appeal to a lot of people - if the left wing is full of such hysterical hatred for him he must not be too bad.

      Childish thinking, sure, but very human and we are all childish sometimes.

      • how unlikeable must the other side be (left wingnuts) for people to flock to a piece of shit like Trump

        Not at all, seeing as people flocking around Trump are delusional idiots. They can make up their own reasons in their mind -- no unlikability of the other side is necessary.

      • The enemy of my enemy is my friend sort of logic? A lot of what drove Trump to victory in 2016 is that he was a political outsider. There has been a big sentiment that things have gone off the rails in government, that "regular people" don't have someone out there fighting for them. Why that someone should be Trump has me a bit confused. As standing up for the little guy was never part of his brand.

        There is a fairly large industry of hyperbolic talk show hosts that design headlines and talking points specif

  • by RyanFenton ( 230700 ) on Thursday January 07, 2021 @06:19PM (#60908910)

    I wonder how much of all this, from both directions, is caused by this 'lame duck' stage of his presidency.

    Meaning, both his willingness to commit to violence for his supporters - go for broke, you might say with their willingness to follow his lead - and of these companies to cut him off only this far in.

    Of course the same might have been said earlier, when all his own appointed judges told him nothing he was providing counted as valid evidence for any of the claims he was making.

    So, yeah, on balance it's likely the actual physical threat to the lives of major politicians in his own party. It is more than a few steps beyond his usual level of psychopathy.

    But he has done a 'good' job of making psychpathy in intention and methodology seem 'normal' over time, both for media, and especially his supporters.

    So I'm still left wondering "his is THIS your limit?", after so many layers of betrayal of every even selfish motivations for these companies.

    I think if he'd gotten some more focused formerly-blackwater mercs in that group, many of these companies would still be pretending it's business as usual, if it looked like he might have pulled off a successful terror campaign to topple democracy.

    But that's seemingly what a large portion of our nation wants in a leader.

    Ryan Fenton

    • The capital police who opened up the barriers to let these assholes in who were shouting HANG MIKE PENCE are in deep shit now. They endangered many powerful people.

      • by Nidi62 ( 1525137 )

        Yep. Selfie cop is screwed. But those 5 guys standing just inside the House Floor door with nothing but Glocks and batons against hundreds of rioting insurrectionists? Those are the true patriots of the day.

  • by Seven Spirals ( 4924941 ) on Thursday January 07, 2021 @06:23PM (#60908930)
    They are allowed. They'd rather not be drug down with Trump as the media relishes the gift he gave them by speaking to the protestors just before they turned into a mob and stormed into Capitol Hill. It's not censorship in this case, it's a business decision. It's just sad that outside of Twitter and Facebook, the hordes of normalites cannot be bothered to see anything else. Either way, Trump doesn't seem like the "stable genius" he claimed to be since he did a terrible job with his "stop the steal" endgame. It wasn't baseless as the media claimed, but the fraud was tiny compared to the numbers needed to shift the election. I don't believe the MSM, Trump, or fucking anyone else, now. Unless it happens right in front of my face it's probably a partisan stunt. That's all these right & left / blue vs red idiots do.
    • Wow. You'll never figure out anything with your "both sides do it" attitude and whataboutism when confronted with evil. One can do the same thing with non-partisans vs. partisans. It doesn't get you anywhere. Eventually you have to deal with shades of gray and see which side is darker. Not choosing is a choice, too.

  • by GregMmm ( 5115215 ) on Thursday January 07, 2021 @06:41PM (#60909008)

    Is this really what we want? The company has all the rights to do this, but do we really we really want to separate everyone down a party line? Do we want to persecute people if they don't believe how we believe? My father in law once let it slip around me, "ya I can't talk to him, he's a Trumper" Really? We can't talk to people who have different political views? Not even talk to them? How small and petty can you be. This is like a child. But this is an example of this. Why can't we control our emotions/feelings at all? And here's the kicker: That sounds about as non-diverse as you can imagine. The very thing everyone is preaching is being destroyed by the "conform or I hate you" mentality. If we all think and act the same, we have NO diversity.

    Lets be clear: Anyone who is objective must wonder why if this was done to President Trump, then what about all the other groups/elected officials who did the exact same thing for the last 4 years. This is total political moves. This is garbage even if you don't agree with him.

    Anyone who comments back and doesn't comment (for example: urging people to harass people of the other view when going out to dinner) on both sides has no objectivity and is fooling themselves.

    • Re: (Score:2, Flamebait)

      completely ok and called for.

      trump is to be shunned, by everyone with any kind of moral compass.

      those that do not immediately shun him, should be shunned themselves.

      there is no other side: you are with REAL law and order or you are a trump pussy, racist asshole.

      the whole world is shunning trump. don't even TRY the whataboutism. history is not on your side.

    • I wouldn't mind talking to Trump fans (and I do, to one old friend who thankfully values our friendship over the politics of another country), but the problem is the same as one has talking to conspiracy theorists - it's a real uphill battle against mountains of made-up bullshit.

      Every time my friend sends me an article, I try to refute it, and four times out of five I can. But why do I have to do this? Because anything on the internet can be made into a semi-plausible story which will earn media outlets cli

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      This isn't about political debate, this is about incitement. Incitement is a crime, has been for a very long time and "on the internet" makes no difference.

    • My father in law once let it slip around me, "ya I can't talk to him, he's a Trumper" Really? We can't talk to people who have different political views? Not even talk to them?

      Actually, it's gotten to the point where there is a lack of common reality from which political views are based. By this I mean many Trump supporters do not base their support based on factual information but rather an emotional standpoint. You cannot argue with someone who supports someone not based on factual reality but on disinformation which they refuse to acknowledge as being false. It really is like trying to reason with someone who is in a cult because no amount of logic is going to change their

  • by Tom ( 822 ) on Friday January 08, 2021 @02:13AM (#60909978) Homepage Journal

    I've been watching this from a distance for a while, and sometimes, distance gives clarity.

    For me it is very, very obvious what's going on here. The tech companies are lashing out on the president who was a pain in their asses for so long. They could just wait for a few weeks for him to go away, but they've decided to instead give him a nice kick on the way out.

    They wouldn't have dared to do that in the middle of his term.

    They do it now because they're confident that he can't do them harm in the time he's got left and with his support among the administration breaking away.

    It's a good one as well. Taking a very public but very much disliked figure and establishing that they can, in fact, block anyone they want. If they had taken someone else, there may have been a serious debate about how much they are publishers or broadcasters or public services and need to adhere to the same principles as newspapers, radio or television.

    Now if they want to silence someone in the future, they can basically go: "We shut up the POTUS, bitch, what do you want?"

  • by twocows ( 1216842 ) on Friday January 08, 2021 @10:50AM (#60910916)
    I'm pretty sure he doesn't play video games. Did Twitch just want to get in on the action or did he actually have an account? Was it ever used for anything?

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