Hyundai Has Best Month Ever in U.S. Electric SUV Sales Suddenly Double (electrek.co) 176
Hyundai "just had its best sales month ever in the U.S.," reports Electrek
Hyundai's impressive EV lineup is charging up demand, with its best-selling Hyundai IONIQ 5 SUV also setting a new U.S. record after sales more than doubled in November. With 76,008 vehicles sold in November, Hyundai's record-breaking U.S. sales streak is not slowing down. Hyundai Motor America CEO Randy Parker credited the growing demand for EVs and hybrid vehicles to the growth.
Hyundai's EV sales rose 77% from last year, while hybrid sales surged 104%. Electrified retail sales (EV, PHEV, and hybrid models) climbed 92% in total last month. Several vehicles, including the Santa Fe HEV, Tucson PHEV, Tucson HEV, and IONIQ 5, had their best-ever sales month.
The article also notes increasing sales for Hyundai's electric SUV, the IONIQ 5. Starting at $43,975 — and recently upgraded to a range of 245 miles (or 318 miles for the $46,550 extended-range model) — it features an NACS port for accessing Tesla's Supercharger network.
Hyundai's EV sales rose 77% from last year, while hybrid sales surged 104%. Electrified retail sales (EV, PHEV, and hybrid models) climbed 92% in total last month. Several vehicles, including the Santa Fe HEV, Tucson PHEV, Tucson HEV, and IONIQ 5, had their best-ever sales month.
The article also notes increasing sales for Hyundai's electric SUV, the IONIQ 5. Starting at $43,975 — and recently upgraded to a range of 245 miles (or 318 miles for the $46,550 extended-range model) — it features an NACS port for accessing Tesla's Supercharger network.
So which manufacturer screwed up... (Score:3, Insightful)
... so badly that all these customers went to Hyundai instead? Because I very much doubt all these news customers suddenly decided to go EV instead of ICE.
Re:So which manufacturer screwed up... (Score:5, Insightful)
very much doubt all these news customers suddenly decided to go EV instead of ICE.
It's not sudden and doubting the truth does not make it less true.
Re:So which manufacturer screwed up... (Score:5, Informative)
https://theicct.org/us-ev-sale... [theicct.org]
Re:So which manufacturer screwed up... (Score:4, Interesting)
It's a great vehicle and uses a platform shared with the Kia EV6. Yes I know it's difficult to believe that a company built a good EV and customers are buying it.
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Nice little car.
Glad to see some real competition in the EV space.
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Amazing to hear at it described as a nice *little* car. In the UK, it's on the large side. Not massive, but definitely not little. Here, the Inster is a small Hyundai EV (and also v impressive)
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It felt little compared to my Mustang.
Re: So which manufacturer screwed up... (Score:3)
It's just hard to believe that Hyundai is capable of it when their ICEVs are about four times more likely to catch fire than average.
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I'm actually looking at used Niro EVs right now. Seems like they are a bit more sporty than the Kona. For some reason no dealers in my area have any for sale, they're all 100+ miles away or out of state.
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Re:So which manufacturer screwed up... (Score:5, Interesting)
Hyundai has been seeing increased sales since Ford decided in the infinite stupidity of its CEO to stop selling normal cars in North America and to go only Trucks and SUVs. Now, keep in mind that every car you see on the road is an advertisement for that brand, so a reduction in the number of Ford vehicles means Ford goes down, no matter what their gross profit margin may say, the number of sales is going down over time from that bran-dead attitude. Note how many Hyundai vehicles you see on the road these days, and you see why sales are just going up, because as I mentioned, each one you see on the road is an advertisement.
Then, you have to look at not just what features a vehicle has, but how well implemented the features are. Hyundai makes many of the features EASY, so it's a part of what makes it easier to drive. Over time, this makes many people just look at Hyundai as a brand worth considering, and then you get to looking at the individual vehicles. Hyundai isn't EV-only, but when you compare vehicles, Ford and GM haven't shown themselves to be terribly innovative.
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Ford *IS* still selling the Mustang. They did copy Mitsubishi's ruination of the Eclipse and changed it from a car into a crossover and made it fugly as hell too... even worse than what was done to the Eclipse. But it is technically not a truck or full-sized SUV.
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I suspect you are seeing a few things:
First, knowledge that all those EV incentives will be axed almost certainly under the incoming administration, so if you want that tax credit, you got to move.
Second, on top of that the tariffs are likely to wreck things, better get stuff now rather than waiting.
Third, Tesla. Tesla's prime target demographic is also the one the most likely to be pissed off by Elon Musk's shenanigans. Helping Hyundai out here, as far as I read, they managed to get NACS port already, so
Re:So which manufacturer screwed up... (Score:4)
Why is there an assumption that someone has to screw up for someone else to succeed?
Is it not possible that Hyundai simply offers a compelling product?
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Because at the end of next month, it's very likely that same Hyundai you buy this month becomes at least 20% more expensive through idiot tariffs. And the current tax incentives to buy an EV likely go away soon after, if the incoming Congress actually figures out how to move a bill through both chambers.
If you're looking to make a large durable goods purchase and not pay at least 20% more than today's prices, better get out your wallet and get it done today.
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Why is there an assumption that someone has to screw up for someone else to succeed?
Is it not possible that Hyundai simply offers a compelling product?
Agreed - I've owned a Hyundai in the past, and I've found them to be solid cars. When (if ever) I need a replacement vehicle, Hyundai is among the top on my list of makers to look at.
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Knobs and buttons, please! (Score:2)
Another compelling thing for Hyundai is that they are moving away from touchscreens back to physical controls. .
That's something that you end up missing only when you don't have it anymore - I had installed an aftermarket Android-based unit to replace the original stereo unit in one of my cars, and I had decided to go with the 'touch-screen only' smooth look (no knobs version), but later discovered that trying to tune or adjust the volume couldn't be done by touch (on a touchscreen of all things!) and required me to actually look at the screen for any adjustments (vs buttons or a knob).
If I did the same for another v
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They seem to have a lot of good models, and the Ioniq 5N appeals to petrol heads with its fake gearbox and fake engine sounds.
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Why is there an assumption that someone has to screw up for someone else to succeed?
It's not an assumption, Tesla was always the top of the heap when it came to EV sales in the USA. My theory though is that it's less about the politics of Musk and more that Tesla's model selection is very limited and they've made a lot of design choices which can put off first-time EV buyers.
At its core though, competition is about a different company succeeding because the other screwed up. Tesla's early success was because the traditional automakers screwed up by dragging their ass on EV development.
Re:So which manufacturer screwed up... (Score:5, Interesting)
... so badly that all these customers went to Hyundai instead? Because I very much doubt all these news customers suddenly decided to go EV instead of ICE.
Dunno. Those are two, disconnected thoughts.
Two weeks ago I traded a Charger Hellcat 707-horsepower monster for a Hyundai Ioniq 5N. Which is faster. And nimbler. And hundreds of dollars a month in gas cheaper. And the car was cheaper than the Hellcat was six years ago. And the quality of the interior and general electronic feature set is superior.
Did anyone screw up in my case? No. Did Hyundai release a darned good car? Yes.
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Those are two, disconnected thoughts.
Two weeks ago I traded a Charger Hellcat 707-horsepower monster for a Hyundai Ioniq 5N.
Sometimes they write themselves.
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... so badly that all these customers went to Hyundai instead?
Perhaps Hyundai is simply better than others? I know that I have zero interest in a muskraTmobile. GM's efforts in the EV arena are piss-poor. Ford seems to only concentrate on the Lightning (I know they have other choices, but aren't interesting). Other brands tend to be even more expensive.
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All of them. Between the American companies producing expensive compliance cars with the exception of Musk, whose latest car can't even get shipped without bricking itself when a cold wind blows https://www.torquenews.com/118... [torquenews.com] or worse, bricks before it even leaves the showroom https://www.torquenews.com/118... [torquenews.com] combined with the owner of the company going off the rails, why would anyone buy American if they are in the market for an EV.
And what's the alternative? You don't trust China, the Europeans have p
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They had a bad November last year I guess.
Sales up 30% year on year, 100% November 2023 compared to November 2024.
Typical advertising, cherry picking the best numbers out of a pile of statistics.
The linked article isn't even an article, it's a Hyundai advertisement.
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Pretty much all of them.
Elon Musk has done permanent damage to Tesla to the point where lots of people won't buy the cars.
All of the others are making fairly pathetic EVs.
Hyundai and Kia are rare exceptions with decent cars.
(Of course, the Chinese have lots of good EVs but we can't buy them in the US.)
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Tesla is Elon Musk. EV buyers are often kind of left leaning (by American standards) and now Musk's brand is tied 100% to the furtherest right wing president we've ever had.
The reality is if you're buying a car you're probably supporting conservatives at some point along the way no matter what. Especially if you have to get a loan to buy the car, which is usually the case for most Americans. If the car you're buying happens to run on gas, you're going to be giving money to some of the worst people on the planet just to keep it fueled.
My partner and I had a discussion over Musk's politics at length before we test drove a Model 3. It came down to that we really didn't think i
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You can redefine "left wing" to mean something that no one else uses it to mean, but that is not a very productive from a point of view of communication.
We will see whether Trump follows either Stalin or other dictators. Personally, I doubt it, for two reasons. First is the evidence of his first term: both Stalin and Hitler only needed to be in charge once, while Trump got elected out again. And, second is biology; Stalin and Hitler were in their 30s or 40s when they got elected/elevated.
Everything is relative (Score:3)
,bR> Trump is going to try. We already had 3.4m people unable to vote in 2024 vs 2020. The entire Navajo Nation couldn't vote. All Trump & the GOP have to do is ramp that up a bit in 2026 and 2028 and they'll be able to consolidate power until we're not really having elections anymore.
Stalin w
NACS port (Score:2)
The NACS port is not simply for Tesla's Supercharger network, it's an actual standard and it is used. I've seen it at evGo charge stations. NACS is the port every EV car producer has (finally) agreed to use.
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The NACS port is not simply for Tesla's Supercharger network, it's an actual standard and it is used.
Outside of the Supercharger network, most NACS chargers are L2. DCFC with a CCS1 connector are going to be around for a very long time. Heck, even CHAdeMO is hanging on longer than it reasonably should've.
At any rate, I've got my adapters for my Bolt, so I'm good.
"SUV" (Score:4, Interesting)
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It looks more like a VW GTI sized-hatchback than an SUV. It's definitely bigger than the GTI but yeah it's a 4-door hatchback IMO.
It's a large hatchback. (Score:2)
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There is no universally accepted definition for SUV, particularly across country boundaries. The only real differentiator seems to be available 4-wheel drive. Assuming the Ioniq 5 is the AWD versions and not the RWD ones, I guess it fits the most basic definition.
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That's what I was getting at - since EV's have max torque at 0 rpm, the low-range gear is obsolete. So if we keep defining 4x4 that way, it is no longer necessarily the "more capable" option.
Re: "SUV" (Score:2)
If it's not full frame, it's a crossover.
That doesn't necessarily make it bad but it does make it car-based, which is what crossovers are.
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In no world is the Ioniq 5 an SUV.
Actually in most of the world it's an SUV. Just not in America, where it is more of a small hatchback.
Starting at $43,975 - nope (Score:2, Insightful)
Still too expensive.
Pull out the ipad crap, put in knobs, make a cheap trim. 25k is all i'm paying for a friggin car. Me buying electric, pulling oil out of my heating system, etc WON'T save the world... so I'm not gonna try by bankrupting myself. neither will most normies.
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The bottom of the barrel cheapest vehicle is now $19,000. https://www.kbb.com/best-cars/... [kbb.com]
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That doesn't mean there isn't market for cheaper vehicles, but it does mean they're not "normies".
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A non-EV will cost you $28,000+ for something that is full featured for a mid-sized sedan. Base Elantra internal combustion is $21875 for the 2025. So, going to hybrid makes it quite a bit more, going full EV is quite a bit more.
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$3-5000 cheaper than the average (Depending on the source, the first page of Google results range from $47,010-$48,401.) purchase price of a car in the US is "still too expensive" in what reality? Once the tariffs jack it up into the $60K range, sure it will definitely be too expensive, but without the "still."
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Screens are a BIG improvement
No.
and they cost less to make
No.
Win-win for everybody.
You is not everybody.
What a complete load of fucking bullshit.
Let me know when you can get a unit price of $0.002 for an 8" screen.
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Cars are legally required to have a backup camera and screen.
So, it's a sunk cost.
As long as you have the screen, you might as well use it for additional functionality, which lowers costs.
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Let us know when you have a knob that will let you enter a destination by name and display navigation maps without having a screen.
And don't forget that it has to have a unit price of $0.002 to satisfy your own requirement.
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The claim was that a screen costs less to make than knobs.
You're making a strawman that a knob doesn't offer the functionality of a screen, to which the obvious retort is, "No shit, sherlock."
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Why should I pay for my car to do what my phone already has included?
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Knob mounts to a PCB with a connector back to a computer, same as the screen.
Total BOM for a PCB and a dozen knobs is around a dollar in bulk.
I have no idea where this fucking fiction originated from, but it's just that. A fiction.
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Knob mounts to a PCB with a connector back to a computer, same as the screen.
That reminds me of the AMC Gremlin I had back when I was a teenager.
There were no computers, but AMC didn't want to pay for a bunch of electrical connections and wiring. So most of the knobs were actually plastic valves connected to engine vacuum. This kind of worked, as long as you kept your foot away from the gas pedal.
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You are still ignoring that the screen is required safety equipment for the backup camera, required by federal regulation.
If the screen MUST be there, then the "cost savings" being referred to by everyone that actually understands what's going on, is removing the additional physical controls that can be put on the mandatory screen, since it MUST be there.
This really isn't hard to comprehend.
Now, whether it's a good idea or not is definitely something to be talked about. But just calling for the removal of
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You are still ignoring that the screen is required safety equipment for the backup camera, required by federal regulation.
No, I'm not.
If the screen MUST be there, then the "cost savings" being referred to by everyone that actually understands what's going on, is removing the additional physical controls that can be put on the mandatory screen, since it MUST be there.
The claim was that a screen costs less to make than knobs.
I'd say you just erected a strawman, but I think you were actually just being stupid.
This really isn't hard to comprehend.
And yet your post is evidence to the contrary.
Now, whether it's a good idea or not is definitely something to be talked about. But just calling for the removal of the screen to have a switchboard of knobs and buttons doesn't understand the current regulatory environment, or the features that most normal car buyers want (navigation, backup camera) that require the screen to be there.
I don't recall "calling" for any such thing.
This one I won't chalk up to stupidity- that was an honest strawman.
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Screens must also be mounted.
Screens also consume "space in the dashboard" (which apparently has a cost?)
There is no universe where a screen costs less to manufacture than a PCB with mounted knobs. None.
This will become immediately apparent to you if you look at even the retail price of a HVAC control module vs. a, for example, Ford Sync 3 Touchscreen (example used, because it's separate from the computer that runs it)
You're perpetuating a myth, and not even a very convincing one
Re: Starting at $43,975 - nope (Score:2)
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The screen you're so worried about costs less than a hundred dollars. When something like that is mandated for very good safety reasons (people driving dumb big trucks and so called "SUVs" are about twice as likely to back or drive over over their own kid due to the very poor visibility in such a poor form factor), then those things become incredibly cheap due to scale of manufacturing. I can literally buy a 5 point touch 7 inch LCD screen for $30!.
All this is irrelevant.
I never said screens were badly priced, or expensive.
I said the fiction that a knobbed HVAC control module is just that- a fiction.
Also, a smaller screen and knobbed controls as an aggregate are cheaper than a big screen.
Do you know how I know that? Because the cheapest model in every single car comes in that configuration, with larger screens as an upgrade.
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Let me know when you can get a unit price of $0.002 for an 8" screen.
Why is that the goal? In what world can you build an entire car dash for $0.002?
If you have a point you should make it. All you're doing is shouting emotionally "no" followed by posting completely irrelevant hyperbole. Now I'm a big fan of buttons but I think you're doing a very shit job at advocating for our cause. Are you shill account for "big screen" ?
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I'll further extrapolate that to- an HVAC control module with multiple knobs is still cheaper than a screen.
There's no fucking hyperbole here- I directly responded to a flat-out bullshit claim. Read better.
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There is no world where the unit cost for a set of HVAC controls matches that of a screen, period.
What you get charged is a very different story.
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Christ, you are intolerably stupid sometimes..
And you seem to be an intolerable asshole all the time.
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You seem to have missed that backup cameras and screens to display what they capture are USDOT required equipment on all new vehicles sold in the US.
If it's mandatory that you have to put in the screen, which do you think is cheaper now? Screen + other controls; or Screen without other controls?
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Knobs are way easier to fumble and find. It's like you're telling me the touchpad on my new stove is easier to use than the knobs on my old one. Pot is boiling over - fumble to find a touchpad, wait 1 second for it to detect my finger press, another second to acknowledge and perform the setting change... compared to turning a knob in a billionth of a second. It's crap, imho. touchpads don't belong as a primary interface for machinery where not being able to easily look at the UI is important. It's not
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For things like climate control, I do prefer physical dials to turn, because you can do easy adjustments without looking. For most other things, the screen makes far more sense. Note that the controls on the steering wheel are often enough to avoid the need to play with the entertainment center once you have your preferences set up.
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The "iPad crap" as you call it isn't as expensive to make as knobs. They'd have to increase prices to give you the idiot dials.
Screens are a BIG improvement, and they cost less to make. Win-win for everybody.
When I have to remove my gloves to change radio stations they're not an improvement at all, never mind a "BIG" one. And when the touch screen gets cranky, as they occasionally - or worse yet fails, as they eventually will - then you lose control over EVERYTHING that relies on the touch function.
Touchscreens are unsafe, non-tactile single points of failure, and in cars they have no business being used for anything beyond entertainment functions. Using them for anything else should be outlawed.
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I use the controls on the steering wheel to change stations, skip tracks forward, and things like that.
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I do as well - but I actually find that it's easier and safer for me to reach the dash to select the ONE preset station I'm looking for than to keep an eye on the speedo so I know when I've reached the one I want.
Also, when I'm on a trip I'm often seeking stations that aren't on the presets and whose frequencies I don't know. The steering wheel controls don't work for that, or if they do, there's some arcane fiddle required that I don't know about.
A knob that I can twist without looking, or a tactile seek
Re:Starting at $43,975 - nope (Score:4, Insightful)
Screens have been proven time and again to not be as friendly or safe as dials/knobs. It's a stupid, lazy and really poor design from the get to to switch any of those controls to touch screen. Touch screen for feedback, backup camera, etc fine. But if you have to touch a screen to control anything while driving those engineers failed miserably.
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The extra $20 to put in knobs will not kill a sale. Not to mention, as has been stated ad nauseum, using knobs is far more intuitive than trying to root through a menu system on a screen while driving.
Screens are a BIG improvement, and they cost less to make. Win-win for everybody.
Screens are not an improvement. If they were, people wouldn't be complaining about them [jdpower.com]
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The control unit is manufactured in a factory like any other control assembly. The BOM is under a dollar for a control interface with lots of knobs, and installation of the knobs can be done with a robot for micropennies per unit.
If the weird fucking myth that knobs are more expensive than screens were true, the cheapest base model cars would have screens instead of knobs. The fact is, they do not. That's because screens are more expensive.
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I wouldn't mind a replacement of a battery in 200k miles, if the cost of that job were like 3K or so. That would actually be a little cheaper than what I end up spending keeping an ICE car going that far.
New Ioniq 5 owner (Score:3, Interesting)
Got an Ioniq 5 in Sept. Been planning on switching the primary car to EV for a long time. NACS switch is great; I will be using an adapter on current car (J1772) for the next few years...but wasn't a deal breaker. Car isn't perfect, but very nice. Not an SUV, came from a subaru crosstrek, these are just AWD cars, maybe crossover?...we need a better term.
What put it over the top was the paddle shifting for different regenerative states. Switching to coast for highway or long stretches, then i-pedal for city or stop signs is great. Gives me something to do to optimize...miss my old stick.
Not an SUV (Score:3)
I love my Ioniq 5. Great vehicle.
But it's not an SUV. It's a modern station wagon, more commonly called a 'crossover.'
Now, the Ioniq 7 (though now I think they've renamed it to the Ioniq 9 or something) is going to be their SUV offering.
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This is a family hatchback.
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I love my Ioniq 5. Great vehicle.
But it's not an SUV.
Agreed - it's still too small & short (height) to be an "SUV"; it's definitively a hatchback - a large hatchback compared to others.
Just Make Good Products (Score:5, Insightful)
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It's not just politics. Firstly the word "politics" doesn't account for how unhinged Elon musk has gotten the past month or so, but separately you can look to the rest of the company. What's new at Tesla? Anyone? The line-up is aging and in need of a facelift. It's no longer the amazing and unique seller of cars that it was, with one exception: The Cybertruck, a $80k+ car that somehow manages to brick itself before it leaves the show room, can't drive in the snow because the headlights block, and my new fav
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Also, the impending massive price hikes (What, you thought the corporations are just going to eat the extra cost themselves versus passing them along to the consumer? How cute.) due to trump's tariffs are probably contributing.
I've already pretty much decided that, unless I get bitten by the sports car bug (I AM the right age.) in these next few years, my next car will be an Ioniq 5 or 6. If I were planning to buy any time in the next few years (I drive a Subaru now. So unless a tree falls on it or a sin
You don't see the Ioniq 6 mentioned, but it's good (Score:3)
I know, many people in the USA are obsessed with SUVs, so the idea of a sedan seems strange. $37,750 is the base price for the 2025 Ioniq 6, 240 mile range for the "standard range". $42,700 for the normal SE trim(not the standard range version), that goes up to 342 miles for rear wheel drive, 316 miles all wheel drive. That's getting to the point of, "if you get to a place with a charging station to stay overnight, that's not a problem". We aren't to the "magic" 400 miles on a charge for most vehicles though, but it seems to be getting closer.
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I am intrigued by the Ioniq 6 as a replacement for my daily driver (Prius). However, the Ioniq 6 has a typical sedan trunk [google.com], whereas the Prius is a hatchback with fold-flat seats [google.com]. I don't know if that's a deal killer, but the much smaller opening is a strong negative for me.
Did they send a thank you to Elon Muss? (Score:2)
Re: Did they send a thank you to Elon Muss? (Score:2)
Tesla & GM pushing customers away (Score:2)
Jerkface oligarch CEO at Tesla. Dealbreaker.
No surprise Hyundai EV sales are increasing.
Real Buttons (Score:5, Informative)
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Talk is cheap. There's no more tactile buttons in a 2025 IONIQ 5 than there are in most other cars. The car still features a whopping big screen in the middle. Sure there's dedicated controls for climate control but critically THEY ARE NOT TACTILE BUTTONS. Instead they seem to be the worst combination of both not having a decent click and needing to take your eyes off the road because they are one complete flat surface your fingers can't localise on.
What few tactile buttons they do have most cars have on th
Hyundai still makes affordable cars (Score:3)
Re: Toyota sees the future... (Score:2)
"Its hydrogen. The ONLY fuel on the EARTH, that we just happen to have a MILLION TRILLION gallons of, just laying around..."
Your entire comment is total ignorant bullshit.
There are no hydrogen mines on earth.
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1. You left out that most the hydrogen is in a toxic relationship with oxygen, how are you going to liberate it?
2. You realize that a hydrogen tank is under extreme pressure? I'm sure they make accidents extra not-fun.
As for your rant about various metals like aluminum and copper, what do you think your hydrogen car is going to be made of? Recycled unicorn poop?
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Hydrogen is a fantastic fuel. Where and how do you collect it?
From Google, or your ass? (Score:2)
From google "According to NASA blah blah blah.
You sure it's actually from Google, and not just pulled out of your ass?