EV Sets New Record for Longest Trip on a Single Charge - 749 Miles (newatlas.com) 121
Lucid Motors set a Guinness World Record for the longest journey by an electric car on a single charge, covering a distance of 749 miles (about 1,205 km), reports New Atlas. "In doing so, Lucid broke the 1,045-km (649-mile) record previously achieved by the Mercedes-Benz EQS450+ in June 2025 by the Japanese car website www.webcg.net/articles/-/52268webCG."
The electric vehicle covered this journey between St. Moritz, Switzerland, and Munich, Germany, traveling through highways, secondary roads, and alpine roads — all without a single halt for charging. Given that the vehicle has a 960-km (596-mile) WLTP range, my guess is that the test team must have made good use of favorable road and weather conditions to make the feat possible. With a net elevation decrease of just over 1,310 m (about 4,300 ft) throughout the drive, the EV most certainly benefited from regenerative braking, a rather useful feature that turns downhill momentum back into battery power. Lucid has yet to release official data like average speed or total drive time, but what is apparent is that this was not a high-speed dash but rather a well-planned route to achieve one impressive result...
The Air Grand Touring has two all-wheel drive electric motors with a combined system output of 611 kW (819 horsepower) and 1,200 Nm (885 lb.ft) of torque. Power is provided by an NMC battery, which has a gross energy capacity of 117 kWh (112 kWh usable). Best of all, it can go from 0-60 mph in just three seconds flat... For reference, the almost half-priced BMW i4 and jazzy Porsche Taycan offer less than half the WLTP range of the Lucid Air GT. So, it's not like there's a head-to-head competition out there. Lucid is miles ahead in its class (pun intended!)
Starting at US$112,650, the Air Grand Touring is among the most luxurious sedans on the market right now. But as you can see, it comes at a price. Still, knowing that there is technology to conquer range anxiety is comforting. It might take a while, but there's no reason why we can't expect such range figures from reasonably priced EVs in the near future.
The Air Grand Touring has two all-wheel drive electric motors with a combined system output of 611 kW (819 horsepower) and 1,200 Nm (885 lb.ft) of torque. Power is provided by an NMC battery, which has a gross energy capacity of 117 kWh (112 kWh usable). Best of all, it can go from 0-60 mph in just three seconds flat... For reference, the almost half-priced BMW i4 and jazzy Porsche Taycan offer less than half the WLTP range of the Lucid Air GT. So, it's not like there's a head-to-head competition out there. Lucid is miles ahead in its class (pun intended!)
Starting at US$112,650, the Air Grand Touring is among the most luxurious sedans on the market right now. But as you can see, it comes at a price. Still, knowing that there is technology to conquer range anxiety is comforting. It might take a while, but there's no reason why we can't expect such range figures from reasonably priced EVs in the near future.
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And how many charging stops to drive it back the other way up the mountain?
One.
The dry weight of a Lucid Air Grand Touring is 2,360 kg. Add a couple of occupants at 80kg each then you're lifting 2,520kg up 1,300 meters. Gravitational potential energy e = ghm = 9.81 * 1300 * 2520 which comes out to just over 32.15 megajoules and very close to 9KWh. This is the baseline energy that is gained coming down hill and used going up hill. If we assume that the efficiency of the regeneration and the utilisation are about the same then you're going to gain less than this going down and use more than this going up, but the net difference is still going to be about 18KWh.
The nominal battery capacity of the Air Grand Touring is 112KWh, with the usable capacity probably several percent less, so you'll need about a 20% to 25% charge en route going back up the hill. Even if it's twice that, I don't think you're going to need to stop more than once.
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With a net elevation decrease of just over 1,310 m
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St Moritz elevation 1800 meters - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org] Munich, Germany elevation 520 meters - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
This test measures EV capacity about as well as a glider measures how far it can fly solo. After being shoved out of the ass-end of a C-17 Globemaster at 30,000 feet.
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Wasn't there a big electric mining dump truck that never needed to plug in for a charge because it could use the weight of the ore it hauled down a mountain to have enough charge to get back to the top?
Yes. Electric Dump Truck Produces More Energy Than It Uses [slashdot.org]. But wait, there's more, with a picture [hackaday.com]
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1. Yes, there’s a huge electric dump truck that does what you say: https://www.greencarreports.co... [greencarreports.com]
2. The Lucid descended 1310 metres over a distance of 1,200 *kilometres*. That’s an average descent grade of 0.1%. It’s essentially flat
3. The gravitational potential energy gained from a descent of 1310 metres is worth a grand total of 8.4kWh (assuming it can all be perfectly recovered). In reality, the best you could hope for is 60 to 80% efficiency in recovery, and as the Air has a 118kWh
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Wasn't there a big electric mining dump truck that never needed to plug in for a charge because it could use the weight of the ore it hauled down a mountain to have enough charge to get back to the top?
A 2.5 ton couple-gear truck from the 1930s slightly famously did that. Not sure if it was ore or not. They also used hub motors and large models like a 2.5 ton had four wheel steering, and they offered optional onboard range extender generators.
Cheating (Score:3)
Do it on flat terrain.
South to North in the middle of USA (Score:2)
Set the distance record by going for a more than 750 miles north to south in the center of the USA or a loop around the flat parts of Australia, etc.
Re: Cheating (Score:2)
...and at motorway speeds.
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Can no-one do maths any more? It was a 1km descent over *1000* km. That *is* flat, basically. 0.11% angle of descent, on average.
Re: Cheating (Score:2)
It sounds flat but I go through the Appalachian mountains for most of the trip. Despite having a net elevation drop, I do not see the range of my battery increase.
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Are you saying this to say that I’m correct, or incorrect? Because obviously a 200 foot elevation drop is irrelevant in the context of a 500 mile trip. It’s barely relevant in the context of a 10 mile trip.
Pointless record (Score:2)
Even on flat terrain it's a meaningless record. It's not like it's hard to add range to an EV, you just upsize the battery. It's not some feat of complex engineering.
Now if they were talking about miles per KWh, or miles per pound of battery weight, that's a record I'd be interested in. You would compete by actually advancing the technology.
Still not good enough! (Score:5, Funny)
I've been on ./ long enough to know this isn't going to cut it for the ICE loyalists because they drive 800 miles, uphill, in -200 F weather before driving 800 miles, uphill in 700 F weather to get home. EVs are clearly not up to the job! /s
Re:Still not good enough! (Score:4, Insightful)
Don't forget they're always towing a 1/5 scale 18th century clipper ship.
That's ridiculous (Score:2)
Jokes aside if you're stuck in apartments, and pretty much anyone under 50 is, then there isn't really any advantage to an electric car. You don't get the cost advantage or the convenience of not having to stop for gas. You just get a more expensive vehicle, especially after September.
I know the Cyber truck is useless for towing of any kind. To a laughable degree. Not sure how well the F-150 holds up. I know it can absolutely do the towing unlike the cybert
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Jokes aside if you're stuck in apartments, and pretty much anyone under 50 is, then there isn't really any advantage to an electric car.
I keep my EV in my garage at my non-apartment house. I (with rare exception) never charge it there. I charge at public chargers near my work where it is cheaper. And not all apartments are street parking. Some have parking lots or parking structures that could easily accommodate public L2 chargers.
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Indeed. Electric cars are a solution to some of the problems with cars, but not many. The best solution is viable alternatives to driving. I suspect most people don't want to spend time behind the wheel because it's boring and often frustrating, unavailable to kids and many disabled people. Should be unavailable to many of the elderly and it's expensive and you can't drive after a beer.
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Except it isn't a strawman astroturfing. It's a real sticking point that we need to solve. Many (US) apartment complexes/buildings don't have parking that has reasonable ability to charge an EV. And relying on public charging infrastructure - while absolutely doable today - negates one of the main "usability" and financial advantages of an EV - spending a few seconds plugging in when you get home and paying low home electricity rates, to start each day "with a full tank" inexpensively.
If you have to do the
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The most public way in which you make a tit of yourself on this website is your wild misunderstanding of tire particulate pollution.
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Couple weeks ago i walked a residential street in Oslo, the whole block's parking had, where you'd expect meters, a charger for each parking space.
Worth it.
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Christ, that’s ridiculous jingoism. The three worlds model emerged in the Cold War. The first world, from the outset, referred to countries aligned with capitalism, NATO etc: of course the US, but no more or less the US than European countries, Japan, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand.
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Yes, and sadly that's not the reality of an EV.
If you have access to electricity where you park your car, you can probably go EV. The mentality of "I need to stop and fill up" doesn't exist for an EV - because if you can charge at home, why don't you?
Even a plain jane le
Re: Still not good enough! (Score:2)
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You only need to plug your car in daily if you are driving daily. Funnily enough if you plug it in and don't drive it stays plugged in. Otherwise you're already tending it every time you drive.
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In a decade of driving EVs, I’ve never felt the need to plug in daily, not even when I had a car with a range of only 90 miles. In all that time, there’s been precisely one occasion when I should have plugged in and forgot, and so didn’t have enough range. On that one time, I drove 10 mins to a local rapid charger, plugged in for 10 minutes, and drove off. Once. In ten years.
Before I had an EV, I too assumed as you have that I’d need to be plugging in daily. But it didn’t work
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I mean if you want to trade the 3 or 4 seconds needed to plug in your car when you arrive home for 3 orders of magnitude more time pumping gas, then you do you. Imaging if you had to take your phone to a shop to refill it to work rather than just plugging in.
You are standing right next to your car closing and locking the doors already. You are right there.
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Don't forget towing. They're towing LOTS of shit. So much it seems that there's no room left on their property so they can't charge.
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Two amazing things. Growth of the charger network, kind of like what ICE had to go through especially in keeping with the technology of the time. The second is the ease of setting up a network. ICE equivalent would be a pumpjack/gas well with a miniaturized refinery. EV is basically drop a bunch of solar cells, some batteries, and a charger out in the middle of nowhere.
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... closely coordinated with pressing a foot pedal. This both builds moral fiber and gives them an invaluable sense of superiority in internet forum discussions.
hmmm .. often 2 pedals and sometimes 3 .... (gotta heel toe to rev match on those downshifts into the turns)
also, let us pray:
You almost had me? You never had me - you never had your car... Granny shiftin' not double clutchin' like you should. You're lucky that hundred shot of NOS didn't blow the welds on the intake! You almost had me?
the word of the Dom
Coasting (Score:3)
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Indeed, the most embarrassing part was they were beaten down the hill by a team of professional cyclists who only doped once at the start.
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What do you mean by "not all that" efficient? From the moment change to the charge in the battery regenerative breaking is 60-70% efficient which is frankly an amazingly efficient conversion of mechanical energy to chemical.
I'm not sure why you would be surprised that they used any battery at all. The potential energy of 4300 foot elevation change is very little compared to travelling 3,960,000 feet. There's still a lot of other resistances to overcome.
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The elevation change was about 0.1% of the total distance travelled horizontally. It certainly helped, but not much.
Most of the additional range over the WLTP rating will have been from driving very carefully and at the most efficient speed possible. They probably removed all unnecessary weight like charging cables, tyre repair kits, and so on. AC off, windows closed, daytime running to avoid using power for lights.
Still, an impressive feat. Probably not nearly as relevant as it once was, because BYD is now
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It helped to the grand tune of maybe 7 to 10% of added capacity. It was not material overall. The maths is really easy to work through. It’s well under 70 miles, probably under 50 miles, of a 749 mile journey.
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$112,000. Plus tax. Plus luxury tax (in many areas).
I can think of many things one can buy with that kind of money. Virtually all of them are things I would buy before buying a car with that kind of money. Virtually none of them different from the depreciation that a car does too, especially an EV car.
In the meantime, my pesky ole 18 year old car has cost me nothing but maybe $500 in gas, so far this year.
Not all of us "live large" I guess.
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The GT is their most expensive trim. You can always buy used for 50% off. Their next car is purported to be a $50,000 sedan.
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Or I can drive what I have, for the cost of gas, repairs and maintenance, which adds up to under $2k/year.
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You can always buy used for 50% off.
Now there's one hell of a way to sell a six-figure MSRP. Or a GT badge.
Their next car is purported to be a $50,000 sedan.
Based on actual value in reality, every car they make is a $50,000 car. They just don’t know it yet.
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EPA range (Score:3)
It’s got a 512 mile EPA estimated range. Most EVs are at 300-400. It pretty much eliminates range anxiety even for road trips. The only problem is they have so few service centers and it’s very hard and expensive to get parts for repairs.
Financal Anxiety (Score:2)
It pretty much eliminates range anxiety even for road trips.
It might limit range anxiety but at a price of $112k all it will do is replace it with financial anxiety. You'll feel comfortable about making it to the next charging station but not about making the next month's car payment.
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Another company pushing toys for the rich, when people need tools for survival. Let them sell the $15,000 EV here. Better yet, build it here. Instead of that, US manufacturers chose to eliminate reasonable models - EV and ICE both - to force everyone upmarket.
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It’s got a 512 mile EPA estimated range. Most EVs are at 300-400. It pretty much eliminates range anxiety even for road trips.
If EPA estimates are just over 500 miles, I’d expect reality hauling around a lot more than a downhill demonstration did to deliver 10-20% less than that, based on weight and the fact I’m talking about a 500-mile Alaskan road trip to Grandpas cabin in January.
Yeah. That real world. The one we actually have to drive in. Sorry, but reality is gonna have to prove this is some kind of anxiety-eliminating game changer. I don’t see it. And when I road trip, I actually drive. 650+ miles a d
This guy had a different experience (Score:2)
"I tried circumnavigating the UK in an electric van — here’s why it was impossible"
https://www.thetimes.com/trave... [thetimes.com]
It's a really nice looking van but "It’s green, it’s eco-friendly and it can take up to six hours to charge, as Chris Haslam discovered. The road trip revolution is still a long way off"
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"a distance of some 4,800 miles "
And with some skimming, you can also see the caveat is that its only done by using supercharging at daytime.... which means no wall socket charge over night. And there goes my "bad faith journalism attempt".
All the article can do is ask: Is the VW ID Buzz a bad car?
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Bad journalism from the Murdoch press? Never!
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"a distance of some 4,800 miles "
And with some skimming, you can also see the caveat is that its only done by using supercharging at daytime.... which means no wall socket charge over night. And there goes my "bad faith journalism attempt".
All the article can do is ask: Is the VW ID Buzz a bad car?
Where's the bad faith? Why would he need to charge overnight when the specs are "an 84kWh battery that charged from 5 to 80 per cent in as little as 30 minutes and claimed a maximum range of up to 293 miles.". He set out on a month long trip, planning to drive a maximum of 240 miles a day, and expected he could recharge in 30 minutes. Is it his fault that in practice that 30 minute recharge was not possible? Or that under some circumstances the 80% charge gave him much less range than expected? Or that
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You only need to read as far as the fourth paragraph to realise that this guy is writing the same hackneyed hit piece we’ve seen so much of, where people do stupid fucking things on purpose and then purport to be surprised that these stupid fucking things make their life worse. Why do I say this? Because his fourth paragraph begins “ You need apps to find chargers. A single app won’t do because you can’t be sure that it lists all locations, or that it will communicate with the actual
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Truth. I see this attitude a lot.
"I don't want to sit around for half an hour while my car charges." Yeah, that's why we don't do that; we plug in the car and wander off to do something.
But even *if* it's a charger in the middle of nowhere and you're stuck sitting there charging, I'd rather half an hour in the car, while the heater's
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I don't know what the situation is in the UK, but in Australia, a lot of EV chargers do require you to have and Android or iOS app and sign up for an account. Each app can only be used with one charger network. Others (e.g. AGL) require you to sign up for an account and then receive an NFC ID card in the mail which you use at the charger. A card/account from one of these networks will work with several of them, but not with the app-based networks. It's a big mess, and there's no way to just pay with cas
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The guy is on a month-long trip where he stays at campsites. Not all campsites have electricity. Even for one that he rented an outlet at the van was incompatible with it. He was only trying to make 249 miles a day and found himself falling days behind schedule. His summary says he liked the vehicle but the infrastructure isn't there yet for a trip like this. But according to you, he's a dick because the vehicle and infrastructure don't meet his needs.
" by the time I reached Weymouth, two days later th
So. This isn't the longest. (Score:2)
It may be the longest by a "stock production vehicle", but we don't even know that for certain. And it clearly used a major downhill amount to achieve it.
By contrast, a battery technology company put a prototype 200 kWh battery in an older Tesla Model S in 2022 and got 752 miles in one charge (4 miles more), on flat terrain: https://web.archive.org/web/20... [archive.org]
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Oh, and the Guinness record only specifies "electric vehicle" - you'd think the World Solar Challenge folks would have this handily, as they go 3000 km+ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
And yet again, it doesn't specify electric _GROUND_ vehicle. Solar Impulse 2's 4,819 nmi (8,924 km) stretch from Japan to Hawaii would be tops: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Yeah, but it starts at 112k USD (Score:2)
Most people need a car that can do 400-500miles but the price starts at 5k.
Re: Yeah, but it starts at 112k USD (Score:2)
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“Most people” absolutely do not need a car that can do 400 to 500 miles on a single charge. They might *like* that, but they don’t need it. As for pricing, the median price for a *used* car in the US is nearly 18,000 USD. Only a small proportion of people — nowhere near “most” — buy cars for 5k or less
Public chargers are like getting faster internet.. (Score:2)
Useless (Score:2)
People who can spend US$112,650 for a car fly private and RENT such a car at the destination.
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People who spend 112k on cars are definitely wealthy, but being able to afford that is not even close to being able to afford to use a private jet!!
burning question (Score:2)
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No, but since Nikola's truck escapades, we treat this kind of news with extreme skepticism. And, like has been said above, do it on flat ground, or now turn around and drive back to St. Moritz.
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What matters is what consumers can reasonably buy.
My first EV, a Renault Zoe, in 2015 had a range of 90 miles
My second, a second gen Zoe, in 2018 had a range of 180 miles
My third, a third gen Zoe, in 2020 had a range of 245 miles
My fourth, a Mercedes EQA, in 2024 had a range of 330 miles
Feels like excellent progress to me.
Plus range is not the only thing that’s improving: charging speed, cost, BMSs and thus durability, etc
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Erm, did you not see the part where I said the first three cars were all Zoes? Yes, the fourth range increase was partly down to choosing a fancier car, but that was the smallest percentage increase anyway.
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I have been driving the same gas car with a 400+-mile range since 2018. (A stranger crashed into my previous vehicle while it was parked, totalling it -- otherwise I might still be driving my 2012 vehicle.) I am pretty sure your two additional vehicles in that period more than balance out environmental impacts from the respective power sources -- especially since I've only put 60,000 miles on my current car.
I guess some people find that throwing lots of money down a pit every few years feels like progress
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1. Nope, not true at all. The carbon payback period for a UK EV is about 15,000 miles
2. Even more not true when you consider that there is a second hand market, meaning that my two used EVs will have displaced end of life ICE vehicles at the other end of the chain
3. Leasing models are how the majority of new cars have entered the market in the US and the UK for the last decade, so put your fainting fan down
4. I wasn’t talking about carbon intensity anyway, I was talking about range improvements
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"Carbon payback period" is only relevant when buying the same number of vehicles on each side of the ledger -- which, obviously, I have not felt compelled to do.
The popularity of leasing doesn't mean that it is the right thing to do -- it usually means people are spending more than they need to, and then shipping a barely used car to some third world country.
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1. Carbon payback period is indeed relevant because the additional carbon costs of manufacture when buying a new car vs keeping your old ICE vehicle going are rapidly outweighed by the carbon costs of running the vehicles. Obviously it all hinges on the details (which grid, which EV, which ICE, what annual mileage, etc) but in the UK the carbon payback period for new EV vs retaining ICE is about 48 months (vs 18 to 24 for new EV vs new ICE)
2. Barely used cars aren’t shipped to the developing world! Th
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Within one year, from April 2023 to Jan 2024, market prices per kWh dropped 50%, from about $200/kWh to $95/kWh. And this is no fluke powered by one-time events. A lot of progress in the last few years was indeed technological and came not from new chemistry. The Cell-to-Pack and Cell-to-Blade processes, which allow very large but still stable cells made the LFP cell viable for automotive application and Sodium cells at least for stationary use. Doting the LFP with Maganese, creating LMF
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Once the battery capacity reaches something similar to what people expect in range on a tank of gasoline the problem isn't the energy density of the batteries, the miles per charge become irrelevant as issues like the biological needs of the driver start to be the limiting factor on drive time. At that point the issue is recharge time, and there's some very real limits on that which are just as difficult to overcome as battery energy density because of physics.
1. At least in the UK, we are already comfortably past the point at which the car can go further than the people driving it. I drove from London to Durham several times this year, as my son’s at university there. It’s 250 miles. My car has a range of 330, and even in winter, it can make the journey on a single charge. It takes four to five hours to drive from London to Durham on UK motorways. That’s well past the max 2 hours after which the Highway Code says one should take a rest break, a
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"Messing around with your car"
How long do you think it takes to plug in?
If I need to plug in when I get home, it literally takes under 30 seconds. I had someone else time it as well as counting myself on more than one occasion. 30 seconds to: open the charge door, remove the plastic cover on the port, walk over to the EVSE (around the corner of the house), grab the charger, unwrap one loop of cable, walk back over to the car, and plug it in. And I can do all that one-handed while carrying something else.
The
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You don’t need a home at your destination, you just need a convenient charger where you can charge while you park and do the thing you went to your destination to do. Loads of British hotels have these, as do public car parks, pub car parks, etc. That’s what I did. It’s massively convenient.
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Didn’t you see what I said? I parked outside my hotel and plugged in to the charger that was right there. There was absolutely no inconvenience. I didn’t need to “get to” a charger, because it’s at the spot closest to the front door of the hotel. And then I just left my car there, yes, and walked away, and in the morning, it was charged. I am still trying to imagine what you thought would be inconvenient about any of this?
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I just plug in at the public charger that’s directly outside the hotel where I stay (the Hotel Indigo, on Old Elvet). It takes me seconds to do.
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It’s definitely less hassle to do this than it would be to stop at a petrol station: I get to combine parking with charging, rather than having to park and then separately having to charge.
As you’ve pointed out many times, the UK is much smaller than Canada, and this means that EV charging is incredibly straightforward for me. I just can’t drive that far in this country, and the entire place is littered with chargers wherever I might need one. Seriously, you have to go to the Scottish High
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In another slashdot post about EVs, a poster was saying that it 'feels like' it would be impossible to drive across Canada in an EV in the middle of winter.
I pointed out that A Better Route Planner exists, and he doesn't need to 'feel' anything about it, he can just go look. And yes, it turns out that with a modern EV, even in the middle of winter, you can drive
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Kind of the way "always on" internet changed things for everyone even though the base offerings were the same.
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are you messing around with your car when you should be focusing on your son?
I shudder to think of what happens when you need to charge your phone from a power bank. Do you drop everything you're holding and shudder uncontrollably at the agonizing effort of installing a plug into a receptacle?
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To be fair, I think he meant that it would be a pain to find a charger at my destination, and then you’d have to stand by my car while it charged, etc. In reality, there’s a charger directly outside the hotel and I just plug in when I arrive and that’s that. The biggest single faff is that the charger uses a really shitty app rather than supporting Apple Pay. We have contactless charging on basically all rapid chargers but not yet on many of the older 7kW public chargers like this one, whi
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Whaddya know! i just played around with PayByPhone and found that it supports charging at that charger. No need to use the shitty Mer app next time, I can just do PayByPhone. Hurray!
A good reminder that charging gets better in lots of ways all the time
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You and I differ in our priorities, which is fine. If I’m going away, I want to stay somewhere nice. I value the experience of the stay (and of the meals I eat, too). To be honest, the Indigo is as good as it gets in Durham, and I’d rather stay somewhere nicer, but there isn’t anywhere. I’ve stayed in the Renaissance, which was worse. It also has chargers. There’s some guest houses, and some of them have chargers too. None is very nice though.
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