America's EV Registrations Rise 7% in 2025 - Giving EVs a 7.5% Market Share (yahoo.com) 239
EV sales are up 27% for the first seven months of 2025 — for the world. But in America "For the first half of 2025, EV registrations rose 7% to 620,642, with market share inching up just 0.1 percentage point to 7.5 percent," reports Automotive News.
America's new EV registrations were up 4.6% in June (compared to June of 2024), "But EV market share fell for the month and stayed flat for the first half of the year, according to the most recent S&P Global Mobility data." June's 113,460 EV registrations represented 8.6% of U.S. light-vehicle market share, down from 8.8% a year earlier... The data, which serves as a sales proxy since some EV makers don't report U.S. numbers, shows continued flattening of EV market share ahead of the Sept. 30 repeal of the $7,500 federal tax credit.
The S&P Global Mobility numbers include only battery-electric vehicles and not hybrids.
In June Tesla led with 57,260 registrations — more than 6x its next competitor. (Although Tesla's share of the EV segment dropped 6.8% to 43.7 percent in the first half of 2025).
Ranking #2 in June registrations was Chevrolet with 9,517 — a 152% gain over Chevrolet's June 2024 registrations. (Pointing out that the Chevy Equinox EV starts at under $35,000, Electrek writes that "America's most affordable EV with over 315 miles of range, as GM calls it, is quickly winning over buyers.") Automotive News reports Equinox EV registrations surged 722% to 6,239 in June, with Chevy's share of the EV segment more than doubling to 7.7%.
Chevy pulled ahead of Ford (5,759 registrations), Hyundai (5,227 registrations), Rivian (4,613 registrations) and Cadillac (4,121 registrations). Although maybe it's just as interesting that the complete chart shows electric vehicle registrations for 33 different automakers...
America's new EV registrations were up 4.6% in June (compared to June of 2024), "But EV market share fell for the month and stayed flat for the first half of the year, according to the most recent S&P Global Mobility data." June's 113,460 EV registrations represented 8.6% of U.S. light-vehicle market share, down from 8.8% a year earlier... The data, which serves as a sales proxy since some EV makers don't report U.S. numbers, shows continued flattening of EV market share ahead of the Sept. 30 repeal of the $7,500 federal tax credit.
The S&P Global Mobility numbers include only battery-electric vehicles and not hybrids.
In June Tesla led with 57,260 registrations — more than 6x its next competitor. (Although Tesla's share of the EV segment dropped 6.8% to 43.7 percent in the first half of 2025).
Ranking #2 in June registrations was Chevrolet with 9,517 — a 152% gain over Chevrolet's June 2024 registrations. (Pointing out that the Chevy Equinox EV starts at under $35,000, Electrek writes that "America's most affordable EV with over 315 miles of range, as GM calls it, is quickly winning over buyers.") Automotive News reports Equinox EV registrations surged 722% to 6,239 in June, with Chevy's share of the EV segment more than doubling to 7.7%.
Chevy pulled ahead of Ford (5,759 registrations), Hyundai (5,227 registrations), Rivian (4,613 registrations) and Cadillac (4,121 registrations). Although maybe it's just as interesting that the complete chart shows electric vehicle registrations for 33 different automakers...
America wants to go backwards (Score:5, Interesting)
It'll be interesting to see what the numbers look like after the tax credits go away at the end of September. We're already lagging far behind the rest of the world [insideevs.com], and I'd say it's a safe bet that once the tax incentives go away, EV adoption in the USA could grind to a halt.
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My wife and I have been talking about getting a Hyundai Ioniq 5 before the end of September for that reason. The only thing that's kept us from pulling the trigger is some work stuff that is unsettled... there's a possibility I might be retiring quite soon.
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I'm pretty sure we'll be replacing my wife's diesel Passat with that or an Ioniq.
Me, I'll probably be driving my Mustang until they pry it from my cold dead hands... but if they ever give me an electrical convertible sports coupe that doesn't look stupid, I'm game.
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Yeah, it's too bad Ford's EV Mustang morphed into an SUV... but it seems that's all the American automakers are interested in making any more.
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The Tesla Roadster (the original, actually existing one) proves it doesn't have to be this way.
All vehicles should be going to Aluminum. Alas, we have tariff'd it up the butt. Aluminum costs more to refine but is cheaper to recycle, and automobiles are the most-recycled product that there is anywhere. After recycling it just once you've reached energy parity with steel. It's also cheaper to work with no matter what your process is. Welding takes less energy. Casting takes less energy. Machining takes less e
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Mustang is not a Lotus though. It's a bulky car (I love it, I have one), and adding batteries would make it handle like an elephant.
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if they ever give me an electrical convertible sports coupe that doesn't look stupid, I'm game.
Agreed!
If only we didn't live in the US, we could have this [mgcyberster.co.uk].
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If only we didn't live in the US, we could have this [mgcyberster.co.uk].
It looks like a budget Miata
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I can fold up my battery-powered mower and store it, on end, in a corner of our back porch! If I'd tried that with my gas mower, I'd have dumped gas and oil everywhere.
Plus my battery mower started right up after sitting, unused, all winter. I used to always have to futz with my gas mower the first time I'd want to use it in spring.
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I've got a small electric mower and strimmer. Almost the main problem with the mower is the motor power exceeds the size of the mower and it's capable of shoving grass into the box so fast it will clog, if I go too quickly after leaving the grass too long.
In fairness in times past I'd probably have used a mains electric mower for a garden of this size (advantage of 240V!), but not trailing a cable is also convenient and safer.
Either way though, I'm dead pleased. It wasn't even particularly expensive since I
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In fairness in times past I'd probably have used a mains electric mower for a garden of this size (advantage of 240V!)
120V is plenty for a mower, because electric motors make peak torque at 0 rpm, so you don't have to worry about it bogging down and losing torque like a gas mower. We have plug-in mowers in the US and they work fine.
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120V is plenty for a mower, because electric motors make peak torque at 0 rpm, so you don't have to worry about it bogging down and losing torque like a gas mower. We have plug-in mowers in the US and they work fine.
Fair enough. I'd assume they'd be a bit power limited and/or need a very thick cable.
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Fair enough. I'd assume they'd be a bit power limited and/or need a very thick cable.
They're limited but adequate. As for the cable, that's determined by the current, so it's about the same size as yours since the current is about the same. That does mean we get less watts, but that wattage is still sufficient.
Our yard is so small (and it has a garden in it, not a lawn) we get by with just the string trimmer... and we did get a plug-in one. Neighbors with similar-sized yards are still on gas! They're done quickly, but it's still irritating noise-wise. Get electric already you fools! Alas, t
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They're limited but adequate. As for the cable, that's determined by the current, so it's about the same size as yours since the current is about the same. That does mean we get less watts, but that wattage is still sufficient.
You know come to think of it, I'm not really feeling the lack of power of the battery one. I can do the whole lawn easily on a single charge of the 6AH/18V battery, and the manufacturer claims 108 Wh, so I doubt it's pulling anywhere in the region of 900W which is the lower end for co
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120V is plenty for a mower, because electric motors make peak torque at 0 rpm, so you don't have to worry about it bogging down and losing torque like a gas mower
My first electric mower was a "Flymo". This was a mower that did not have wheels, but created an air cushion (like a hovercraft) to allow the mower to be moved over the grass. The problem with it was that, if you ran it into a patch that was too tall, the mower would slow, which would cause the air cushion to be smaller, so the mower would drop down, so the blades now hit more grass, until it eventually stalled. The mower had a cutout that would stop it entirely in this situation.
I now have a battery electr
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My first electric mower was a "Flymo". This was a mower that did not have wheels, but created an air cushion (like a hovercraft) to allow the mower to be moved over the grass.
That sounds really stupid, and dangerous, and wasteful, and grass-scattering.
I now have a battery electric mower, which works well, but again, it will stall and cut out if it cannot keep the blades spinning fast enough.
I have stalled gas mowers doing the same thing.
I didn't say you couldn't stall the electric mower. I said it wasn't a problem. Either slow down or mow more often. You'd have the same problem with a gas mower, and the same solution.
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That sounds really stupid, and dangerous, and wasteful, and grass-scattering.
The big advantage of these mowers was when mowing small irregular-shaped lawns: the mower could be moved in any direction. It was not limited to forward motion: it could be swung sideways.
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I can fold up my battery-powered mower and store it, on end, in a corner of our back porch!
I have a relatively small yard, so when I moved into my current home I started out doing exactly the same thing when storing my corded mower in my shed. About two years ago a deal popped up on a Greenworks mower and I decided to "upgrade" to battery power, since the cord was kind of a pain in the ass to deal with.
It's... okay. It's not as powerful as the corded mower was, and the included 40v (actually 36v, but marketing) 4ah battery really only lasts for about half the yard (and again, it's a tiny yard -
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Last year, I bought an EGO self-propelled mower with a 56V/5.5Ah battery. We have a plot that is 2/3 acre, but not too much grass (perhaps half the total area) and the mower is able to mow all our grass on one charge.
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Correction: 7.5Ah battery.
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The bigger issue is the ban on Chinese EVs. One of the reasons why Europe has so much more choice of affordable, long range cars is that we have Chinese brands competing in the market.
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Interesting enough Chinese cars (even personal vehicles) are banned on Israeli Army bases due to spyware fears
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I wouldn't trust any auto manufacturers to secure the kind of data modern cars collect. I'd probably want the connectivity features to be hard disabled. Remove the radio entirely, remove the antennas too.
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The problem with Chinese EVs is first partly because they invested so heavily in R&D, they ended up as the leader in EV technology.
CATL is one of the largest battery markers and is basically leaps and bounds ahead of the curve on many technologies including LiFePO4 batteries as well as sodium-ion. If you want LiFePO4, you have to go CATL, and sodium ion is pretty much exclusively theirs.
It's a reason why BYD can make a $10,000 EV that's actually decent. Bit spartan but for the price, you get plenty.
The
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I drove a Chinese car when I was in Costa Rica.
No Car Play and the most fucked up entertainment system I've ever seen in a car. Obnoxious as hell to use. No way would I buy one for $10K, or even $5K.
I didn't look, but I bet it didn't have a spare tire either.
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The Chinese are definitely the world's leaders in lithium battery technology right now. They can mass produce very good batteries, and the rest of the world uses them. This is not just because they invested so much in R&D though that's clearly a factor, it's also because we bought practically all of our lithium batteries from them and they therefore had the money for reinvestment.
Making an EV is not that hard. Squeezing every last nickel out of making an EV is a potential challenge, because you want to
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Actually, only 14% of apartment dwellers complain they have too few parking spots, with 66% saying the number is balanced and 20% saying there are too many. https://www.sciencedirect.com/ [sciencedirect.com]... [sciencedirect.com]
Your link looks at 1316 people in Perth, Melbourne, and Sydney. Great cities, but hardly representative (not even likely representative of those cities).
Chy-na (Score:5, Insightful)
America would be much higher than it is except for the 200% tariffs on Chinese electric cars.
They're affordable and dominating most other countries.
The CEO of Ford has one as his daily driver because he's terrified about how good they are.
I was skeptical until I saw his interview - he has everything to lose by being honest so I believe him more than paid youtube reviews.
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Canada needs to drop tariffs on BYD. This was only ever done to protect Tesla.
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No they don't, unless BYD starts assembling its cars in Canada.
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Yeah, that too. Hopefully the discussion is already ongoing.
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That might avoid tariffs, but the vehicles would still be more expensive than if they just dropped the tariffs. The whole point of tariffs is to make stuff more expensive to the point where local production becomes economically feasible - which means by default it's not economically feasible.
It's kinda like doubling the price then having a 20% off sale.
=Smidge=
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Do you guys have NIO? They have battery swap tech that takes less than 3 minutes.
Or how about MG/SAIC?
There are the more luxury ones as well like Omoda and Xiaomi.
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Omoda isn't a luxury brand. It's a line of Chery SUVs. We have them in Australia. The Omoda 5 is cheap, but has poor ride quality and handling. The GWM Haval SUVs also have issues with poor handling.
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Oh, it must be different in Australia. We have Omoda and Jaecoo in Europe. Omoda is the one positioned as luxury, competing with brands like Mercedes. The 5, or E5 as it is here, is one of their less luxury ones, but the higher end ones have stuff like poor blockers and massage seats.
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America would be much higher than it is except for the 200% tariffs on Chinese electric cars.
They're affordable and dominating most other countries.
I think there's more to it than just affordability. As someone earlier in the discussion already said, they're considering buying a used Bolt for their kid - used Bolts really are that cheap. It's fairly common for them to have brand new (or nearly new) batteries due to the recall, so they're actually one of the better deals for any used car (at least until the used EV tax credit goes *poof* at the end of next month), yet they still tend to sit at the dealers' lots, collecting dust.
Even if we just focus o
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The EV credit was nuked because the government should not be picking winners with subsidies. It was also highly abused through the lease loophole giving many foreign cars with 0% US production the full credit while US produced vehicles with foreign sourced batteries were not getting it through a standard sale.
I have no problems with EVs. I currently only own EVs and no ICE vehicles. But they need to stand on their own in an open market. Good products will sell themselves.
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The EV credit was nuked because the government should not be picking winners with subsidies.
This might be a valid point if not for the many, many times larger subsidies given to oil companies.
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They're cheap because China is heavily subsidizing them. Their goal is to take over the market and destruct domestic production of everything next gen in other countries. Sometimes you need to put national security ahead of cheap consumer prices.
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They're affordable and dominating most other countries.
Latest BEV data for Europe (Jan-Jul 2025) is: European automakers 83.5%, Tesla 11.5%, SIAC 6.7% (MG + Dacia), Kia 5.8%, Huyndai 4.8%, BYD 4.3%, Toyota 2%. (I counted Volvo with the European but it does make a big difference) https://journalauto.com/constr... [journalauto.com]
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However there isn't much of a difference if we start shredding the executive class / 1% and try build the dang things halfway decently. Tesla is a horrible company at actually building the things, with worse fit/finish than many early model US Kia's. The cost difference, per hour, of a US employee isn't that far off from Ch
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What kind of car you can get for $80K is completely irrelevant to the vast majority of people.
Protectionism holds EVs back in the US (Score:3, Interesting)
All of the best EVs in the world right now come from China. Most of the growth in EVs in the EU is coming from Chinese brands. The US is getting left in the dust.
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No, there's only one Chinese BEV (a Volvo) in the 25 most-registered BEV models in the EU in April 2025: https://www.jato.com/resources... [jato.com]
Most of the growth in BEVs in the EU is coming from the Volkswagen group.
You'll also notice by the way that Tesla is getting down much harder than in the US.
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The EU and the US car markets really are very different from each other. There is not just less choice in the US market, the customers also tend to buy a very limited selection of cars. The EU market is much more diverse with even the best selling model only getting 2-3 percent of new sales.
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Yes, exactly my point and why the GP post is incorrect. BYD is now outselling Tesla in Europe. Their sales in 2025 are up 350%.
This isn't even mentioning the other Chinese brands.
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Most of the growth in EVs in the EU is coming from Chinese brands.
Tesla, Stallantis and VW made up nearly all of the top 10 vehicle EV sales in Q2 this year. The first Chinese car came in at position 11, and that was a Volvo which many people still associate with the Swedes.
Chinese cars are making major inroads in Europe, but they are not driving the growth, merely contributing to it.
And I say this as someone with a Chinese car.
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I bought my first EV in July (Score:2)
I bought a three-year-old Polestar 2. I replaced a 23-year-old BMW X5. I'm loving the switch to all electric. I have noticed that my new and smaller vehicle is close to 500 pounds heavier than my old vehicle but has significantly more power to move.
In other words (Score:2, Troll)
About in the same ballpark as Linux on the desktop?
odd because Tesla shows to have sold ~720,000 (Score:2)
I guess some of those could have been sold in 2024 but a full 100,000 unit difference and that's just Telsa so the 50,000 or so GM and Ford sold aren't even counted. Note, just guessing on the Ford and GM number since they are usually just a fraction of Tesla sales.
LoB
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Q1 Sales: 128,100 vehicles were sold and Q2 Sales: 143,535 vehicles were sold for a total of 271,635 which would mean a significant number of EVs were purchased from other vendors this year in the US. THAT's a big deal if you're a Tesla stock holder or employee.
LoB
US now diverging from ROW on EVs and will suffer (Score:5, Insightful)
It’s *aleady* the case that people from Europe or Australasia who go to the US are often stunned by how the cars have crappy build quality and are absurdly huge. The former is as striking as the latter to the eyes of non-US folks. The cars feel cheap. The political, structural and cultural reasons why US vehicles are so different are well-documented, but the tectonic plates are shifting and I suspect it’s going to end badly for US OEMs, because demand outside the US for their products is shrinking. Why? Because non-US buyers can satisfy their preferences for better build quality, smaller vehicles, and EV drivetrains in non-US markets, while American consumers are stuck with limited choice thanks to tariff and non-tariff barriers. The ability for US OEMs to amortize costs across a large global revenue base, eg through parts sharing, is thus shrinking yoy, a problem not faced by Kia or BYD or even BMW at the higher end of the market. To make matters tougher for US OEMs, there’s now ever more meaningful regulatory divergence between the US market and the RoW, an accelerating process thanks to the Trump administration, and that means US OEMs are going to be *forbidden* from taking advantage of scale economies across their cost base, being required to have only locally sourced US parts instead of being able to share across NA, for example. The net effect will be to make trips to the US feel a bit like trips to Cuba in the future: a foray into a quaint land where the cars are weird and clunky and smelly and noisy and old - but without looking anywhere near as good as those old Cuban cars do. Of course, this is something fewer and fewer of us are doing, as the US becomes ever less attractive to visit.
No one wants EVs (Score:2)
It will happen !! (Score:2)
I wonder if there is any correlation between EV adoption and the Linux Desktop usage ?
At 7.5% this could be our year !
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Sadly you might have some truth in your post. Tesla and Musk are heavily associated with electric vehicles in a lot of people's minds and Musk's very public political beliefs and actions in those areas have likely damaged the image of electric vehicles on an unconscious level for some folks.
Re:ppl dont want cars (Score:5, Insightful)
Tesla and Musk are heavily associated with electric vehicles in a lot of people's minds and Musk's very public political beliefs and actions in those areas have likely damaged the image of electric vehicles on an unconscious level for some folks.
It's more likely a confluence of factors in play - left-wing folks avoiding Tesla because of Musk's political antics, and right-wing folks being more inclined to avoid EVs in general for partisan loyalty reasons. I doubt there's many people who think they'll be perceived as aligning with Musk's political views because, for example, they're driving around in an Equinox EV (which let's be honest, looks like any other ICE vehicle Chevy sells).
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People wanted Tesla's it was the iPhone of EVs. People would buy other brands because they couldn't afford a Tesla.
But Tesla was the disruptive product. Now, with the brand damage, people have no exciting brand to turn to. So yes, I think it does hurt all EVs in general.
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But Tesla was the disruptive product. Now, with the brand damage, people have no exciting brand to turn to.
This is Tesla's real problem, that consumers increasingly realize that there are alternatives to Tesla. Early on, the only real alternative was the Nissan Leaf, which was not a well designed car. There are now several companies that offer specs, prices, and form factors that can compete with Tesla. It's Elon a little, but it mostly that consumers now have practical choices. For a long time, Tesla didn't have to compete because the competitors were inept, but that's no longer the case.
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Early on, the only real alternative was the Nissan Leaf, which was not a well designed car.
Nissan really screwed themselves with that crappy-in-every-way battery pack. They could have come out as the primary alternative to a Tesla if they had only cooled it, literally making no other changes to the vehicle. And they fucked it up for two generations in a row! What's even more pathetic is that some users have added nothing but an electric fan to blow mere air through the pack and have reported that this alone makes a substantial difference. They really couldn't spring for a fucking fan?
Nissan woul
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What about people who are just shopping for their next car? I bought one because I like the electric drive feel - torque, 1 pedal driving, minimal maintenance. I bought a Tesla Model Y because I like it and the deals at the time were good for my budget. That's literally it. I've never bought a car from a political lense. I do believe some do this, but I haven't met anyone who has disclosed this. At this time, I only know one EV owner who isn't Tesla - Bolt owner. I thought about buying a used one for my kid
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Tesla and Musk are heavily associated with electric vehicles in a lot of people's minds and Musk's very public political beliefs and actions in those areas have likely damaged the image of electric vehicles on an unconscious level for some folks.
It's more likely a confluence of factors in play - left-wing folks avoiding Tesla because of Musk's political antics, and right-wing folks being more inclined to avoid EVs in general for partisan loyalty reasons. I doubt there's many people who think they'll be perceived as aligning with Musk's political views because, for example, they're driving around in an Equinox EV (which let's be honest, looks like any other ICE vehicle Chevy sells).
The thing is, Tesla isn't the only game in town any more.
I predicted this, either the EV fad will peter out or bigger players will come in and eat Tesla's lunch. I'm still not taking bets on the former not happening but the later definitely has. BMW, Mercedes, Ford, Kia, et al. all have their own EVs out and many of them are better built, better equipped and better supported than a Tesla. Tesla doesn't want to be a car company but wants to sell cars... This is a time bomb waiting to explode when they fin
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Sadly you might have some truth in your post. Tesla and Musk are heavily associated with electric vehicles in a lot of people's minds and Musk's very public political beliefs and actions in those areas have likely damaged the image of electric vehicles on an unconscious level for some folks.
Except that there are now many models of electric vehicles [caranddriver.com] from companies other than Tesla. Five years ago, there weren't many; now you have a wide variety of choices.
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And you have a wide variety of better engineered choices.
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He's not a Nazi.
Not relevant. He supports them, that's all that matters. Even in Europe his sig-heil wasn't even nearly as offensive as his public address to the AfD.
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It IS relevant, and if he's not a Nazi, he sure has no compunctions about being seen as one.
Musky dipshits keep saying "it was a love salute" and then when you point them at the picture of his face all twisted and ugly during it they say "your still is out of context" but there is no frame in a real video of someone actually professing their love that their face looks like that.
Musk deliberately threw two Nazis salutes in a row, and he deserves to be considered a Nazi. He was also raised to be a white supre
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His stance on free speech used to be a very liberal stance
HAHahAHhAHAhAHaHaHaHAHAHAHHAHAHA
"Free speech for me but not for thee" is not a liberal stance.
Re:ppl dont want cars (Score:4, Funny)
I don't want a Tesla because, among other reasons, it does t come with Car Play. That's an automatic disqualifier in my book.
Besides that, they're way too expensive, for me anyway.
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Yeah, that (availability of CarPlay and Android Auto) unfortunately disqualifies the majority of American automakers right there - except Ford, I think. They're too invested in wanting additional subscription income from you... which seems ridiculous, given how much cars cost.
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It's just as well. I don't see how I would buy an American car anyway.
When my wife bought her last car, we only even considered Toyota, Mazda and Honda.
She ended up buying a Honda.
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It's just as well. I don't see how I would buy an American car anyway.
Not sure how it is for Chevy's other EVs, but the Bolt is mostly made from South Korean components. Kind of blurs the lines on what actually constitutes an "American" car these days.
When my wife bought her last car, we only even considered Toyota, Mazda and Honda.
Toyota knows exactly what they're doing; their hybrid offerings are actually extremely competitive against EVs if you can't charge at home. The base model Camry costs something like $0.06 per mile at the current national average price of gas ($3.14), which is roughly equivalent to charging a Model 3 at $0.24 per kWh. That mig
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I'll be more clear. By "American" car, I am referring to cars produced and sold by an American owned company. In other words, what pretty much everyone refers to as an "American" car.
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an American owned company
Even if a publicly traded company's headquarters is outside the United States, the company can still be at least partly American-owned. Japanese-headquartered automakers Toyota (TM) and Honda (HMC) and Dutch automaker Stellantis (STLA) are listed on the New York Stock Exchange. Some other Japanese companies, such as automaker Nissan (NSANY) and video game publisher Nintendo (NTDOY), instead trade on the OTC market in the United States. Their symbols end in "Y" which I think stands for an American depositary
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Ok man. Whatever. Let's just go with this: any company that isn't Honda, Mazda or Toyota.
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Well, there you go. There's another reason.
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Ah yes. It's a good thing to prevent choice because....Apple prevents choice? Typical logic from your kind.
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Care to explain Volkswagen (Hitler's concept, reference: https://web.archive.org/web/20... [archive.org]) and Porsche (a Nazi Party member) sales?
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Because that was 80 years ago and this is now?
Re: ppl dont want cars (Score:4, Insightful)
That's the danger with making statements like that. It's strikingly simple to prove them wrong.
Don't you feel ashamed when you are wrong? Why not try to stop being wrong, starting with no longer issuing blanket assertions that are almost astronomically implausible.
Re: ppl dont want cars (Score:5, Informative)
If you're the one who is claiming there are no Nazis in the EV industry (anywhere!) then the burden is on you to prove it. Go ahead.
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I'll reduce the problem to something falsifiable. You might prove presence or lack of neo-Nazis in EV industry leadership like this:
1. List all electric vehicle makers registered to trade in the US market.
2. List their top leaders, particularly the chief executive, operating, and financial officers.
3. Find political parties with a strongly socially conservative national-populist platform, such as Alternative for Germany (AfD, Germany), the National Rally (RN, France), and the Republican Party (GOP, United S
Re:EVs (Score:4, Informative)
But, if you REALLY like driving snow plow looking vehicles becasue they look manly have at it. But don't judge until you've pinned yourself into the seat a few times in one of the many EVs on the market today.
LoB
Re: In Other Words (Score:2)
Theyâ(TM)re imperial only in name. The fluid ounce is a different size. The number of ounces in a pint is different, and consequently, gallons are significantly smaller. Then thereâ(TM)s the ton, also known as the short ton, which is significantly lighter than the imperial ton.
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Right, even worse.
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I bought a new Equinox EV on Thursday for $27,644 out the door, with the tax credit applied at point of sale.
Since we're mostly a bunch of olds here who probably remember those days, that's what you'd pay for a Civic or Corolla in the early 2000s, adjusted for inflation. For an EV with 300+ miles of range, it's an absolute steal.
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My first car was a Prius in 2001. $20k + tax. Also paid cash.
I switched to a 2007 Prius in 2007 can't remember the cost anymore.
My husband drove the 2001 Prius until 2011. It did need a battery replacement in 2009, 3 months out of warranty. That would normally have cost $3500. We appealed to Toyota because it only had 94k miles at 8 years 3 months, and the warranty for 8 years / 100k miles at the time. They covered half the battery cost.
We sold the 2001 Prius and he got a 2011 Prius.
I leased a 2012 Leaf in
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hmmm. weird the Bolt needed a battery after 4 years. and that the interior hasn't held up.
As basic transportation the Priuses were very hard to beat on TCO....
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It only needed it because of the battery recall due to fire risk.
Re:Runabouts Don't Sell in the USA (Score:5, Insightful)
I keep seeing these posts about what's needed to get people into an EV, and the bar keeps getting raised.
Frankly, we don't need high speed chargers to be as common a gas pumps, as the majority of gas pumps are for local use, and most charging is slow-speed at home. (We do need good solutions for those who rent or have on-street parking, though.) And for trips in the USA, if you're on the Interstate, you shouldn't need to think about it if you can use the Tesla Superchargers. Non-Interstate trips are getting more coverage, so most of those trips work now, too.
Posts about why you can't switch to an EV now sound more like excuses that real reasons, which is why goal posts keep moving. There are many good reasons why people who switch to EVs rarely switch back.
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No, they're real reasons. I desperately WANT an EV. I just can't make use of it for all the things I do, and can afford (the payments for) (and the insurance for!) 2 vehicles. The expenses with 2 vehicles are ridiculous, so I have to make 1 vehicle work, and it has to do EVERYTHING.
I road rally on the National Championship circuit with the Sports Car Club of America. I drive about 35,000 miles a year doing that and a couple other reasons to be on the road. The rallies are deliberately held well out