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Apple Could Finally Sell More Devices Than Microsoft In 2017 (computerworld.com) 98

Gartner predicts Apple will ship more iOS and macOS devices in 2017 than Windows-powered devices "for the first time this century," and then increase their lead over the next two years. An anonymous reader quotes Computerworld: Gartner predicted that iOS + macOS, unlike Windows, will recover in 2017. Apple's OSes will climb 8% to 268 million this year, add 3% in 2018 to reach 276 million, then increase another 3% in 2019, with that year's device shipment forecast at 285 million. Windows will dip this year, then stagnate for the following two years... The gap between Microsoft and Apple -- 12 million last year, with Microsoft atop -- will widen to 27 million by 2019, advantage Apple.

"The global devices market is stagnating," said Gartner analyst Ranjit Atwal in a statement Wednesday. Mobile phone shipments are growing only in emerging markets in the Asia and Pacific markets, Atwal added, and noted that "The PC market is just reaching the bottom of its decline." The PC industry's troubles have affected Microsoft most of all; Windows is almost entirely dependent on PC shipments, which have been stuck in a protracted slump. Future shipments were further hit when Microsoft walked away from the smartphone business last year.

The article also points out that even in 2016, Windows devices came in second, and "accounted for approximately 11.2% of the total devices, which overwhelmingly ran Google's Android."
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Apple Could Finally Sell More Devices Than Microsoft In 2017

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  • by Anonymous Coward

    And every Android device sold gives Microsoft 5-15 dollars of pure profit because of licensing agreements.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    I mean, come on. Microsoft isn't even "shipping" these devices in the first place.

    But since when does comparing apples and oranges to just oranges not make you a joke?

    • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 08, 2017 @04:50AM (#53627387)

      To be fair, Microsoft has been making phone software far longer than Apple. Everyone forgets about it though, because it's been shit for 16+ years.

      • by BLToday ( 1777712 ) on Sunday January 08, 2017 @05:33AM (#53627443)

        Wait, I would say MSFT had a decent mobile OS (relatively) from 2001-2007. I remember at the first iPhone (iOS 1), WM2005 had far more functionality (etc. GPS, apps, handwriting support). WM was better than PalmOS because I moved from the Palm m505 over to the HP iPaq 1910 and then to the GPS iPaq smartphone (don't remember the model number). iPhone didn't get gps support until the iPhone 3G.

        So MSFT only screwed up the last 10 years of mobile development. It's the tortoise and hare problem. MSFT exceeded features and crushed the existing competitions (Palm, Netscape, Lotus, WordPerfect) and then sat around getting pass by new competitions (iOS, Android, Chrome).

        • Yep, I liked my WM phones as well, starting with the very first XDA and ending with HTC HD2 (although the latter wasn't as comfortable to use as expected due to the bloody capacitive display). Some functionality was way better than even on current android phones.

          • (although the latter wasn't as comfortable to use as expected due to the bloody capacitive display)

            Resistive display? Current phones have capactive displays, and I can't say I have heard them called bloody...unless you are bludgening people with the latest thin phones.

            • Would you feel better if I call it a "goddamn capacitive display"?
              HTC HD2 had a capacitive touchscreen and I hated it. I prefer resistive touchscreens, they are much more precise and can be operated with anything.

      • by Anonymous Coward

        In 1997, Windows CE was the best of the best of the best with honors. Its competition was garbage like Newton and Palm. Not a high bar, but a bar nonetheless. iOS wasn't even an itch in Steve Jobs' left asscheek yet. Android was in a similar place (that is, not even at the "wouldn't it be great?" stage yet).

        In 2007, Windows Mobile 6 (running on the CE 5.2 kernel) was mature and established. Its competition was Blackberry and the original iPhone (before it had a name for its OS). Android was relatively unhea

    • I second this opinion above me, this comparison about cumulative sales between two companies which core businesses are super different is a bit irrelevant imo
  • Bullshit (Score:5, Interesting)

    by The Raven ( 30575 ) on Sunday January 08, 2017 @04:46AM (#53627379) Homepage

    Predictions are not worth the toilet paper they are printed on.

    Apple has suffered from a lack of progress ever since Jobs died. They are treading water... it took them 5 years to update the MacBook, and what we got was lackluster. 'Predicting' that they will succeed and Microsoft will falter is dubious.

    The only real winner is Google, with Over 3/4 of the market for device operating systems.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      I agree regarding the lack of innovation at Apple.

      But regarding sales, look at the chart at the bottom of the article. Apple has been catching up to Microsoft, in terms of devices sold, whose OS comes from Apple vs. Microsoft. If Apple's iPhone sales recover this year, then more Apple-OS devices might be sold than Microsoft-OS devices.

    • by ruir ( 2709173 )
      Gartner has always been known in the techie world as the king of mumbo jumbo. Their bullshit quadrants are only good to show to PHBs and customers alike.
      • Gartner has always been known in the techie world as the king of mumbo jumbo. Their bullshit quadrants are only good to show to PHBs and customers alike.

        Sounds like a typical opinion of someone who's personal opinion doesn't agree with an analysist's.

        • by ruir ( 2709173 )
          I would be an analyst too within Gartners parameters: "Grass will be green in two years time, mobile use will increase by 30%, and cars will have round wheels in the future.
    • ... it took them 5 years to update the MacBook, and what we got was lackluster ...

      Do you mean the new 12" MacBook or the MacBook line in it's entirety? People keep comparing the MacBook to much bigger more powerful laptops and putting it down because it doesn't have the horsepower to run insanely resource intensive stuff like BioShock, Titanfall or Doom (mind you I have hooked my MacBook up to a 4K display and played video without getting so much as a stutter) but that kind of misses the point. If I want to play games I'll buy a console and I don't see the MacBook as a drop in replacemen

    • Predictions are not worth the toilet paper they are printed on.

      Apple has suffered from a lack of progress ever since Jobs died. They are treading water... it took them 5 years to update the MacBook, and what we got was lackluster. 'Predicting' that they will succeed and Microsoft will falter is dubious.

      The only real winner is Google, with Over 3/4 of the market for device operating systems.

      Show me anyone's laptop which is fundamentally different now than it was in 2013.

      • by lucm ( 889690 )

        Show me anyone's laptop which is fundamentally different now than it was in 2013.

        Even $400 bargain machines at Best Buy have touch screen and/or are convertible. Many models have powerful GPU that are required for VR devices. The Yoga Book keyboard can work as a drawing board. The Razer Blade Stealth has a 4k display and an external plug-in GPU. MSI has a laptop that can track eye movement and use it to control video game cameras. The list goes on but the Macbook is not on it.

        • Show me anyone's laptop which is fundamentally different now than it was in 2013.

          Even $400 bargain machines at Best Buy have touch screen and/or are convertibl

          Which was all the hype in 2013. So what is new again?

          • by lucm ( 889690 )

            Show me anyone's laptop which is fundamentally different now than it was in 2013.

            Even $400 bargain machines at Best Buy have touch screen and/or are convertibl

            Which was all the hype in 2013. So what is new again?

            Except for Macbooks, right? As for what else is new, look at the rest of the post you truncated in your reply.

            • . So what is new again?

              Macbooks

              So you finally admt everything you claimed so far is wrong. Well, that's a certainly new.

    • No Need to Exaggeate (Score:4, Informative)

      by Roger W Moore ( 538166 ) on Sunday January 08, 2017 @11:35AM (#53628223) Journal

      Apple has suffered from a lack of progress ever since Jobs died. They are treading water... it took them 5 years to update the MacBook, and what we got was lackluster.

      Not entirely correct. After Jobs died they had a year or two of progress before it petered out and it only took they 1.5 years to update the MacBook - but what we got was over expensive crap, not just lacklustre. It is the Mac itself, specifically the Mac Pro, which they have not updated for ~4 years and which they still attempt to sell for full price which is appalling.

      It is hard to see how this prediction will come true unless there is a surge in iOS devices because at the moment Apple have no mac machines which can compete with PCs and MS is now clearly out innovating them with its surface line. It's bad enough that my next laptop will be the new Dell XPS 15 - the CPU and GPU are both better than the new MacBook pros, it has both USB-C and USB-A (see Apple you can put both on a laptop), the keyboard actually moves, the entire screen is touch-based and it costs $1,000 less. I can't see how Apple will grow with competition like this. macOS may be better then Windows 10 but Windows 10 has improved enormously and you can always use Linux if you need to.

    • by Kjella ( 173770 )

      Apple has suffered from a lack of progress ever since Jobs died. They are treading water... it took them 5 years to update the MacBook, and what we got was lackluster. 'Predicting' that they will succeed and Microsoft will falter is dubious.

      On the other hand they got a friend of mine who hasn't worn a watch since 1998 to buy an Apple Watch. Actually two, first he bought one for his significant other and then he got jealous and bought one for himself. I know anecdotes aren't data, but Apple doesn't have to defend every market they're in as long as they grow new ones. I could see Apple launching a 2-in-1 convertible like the Surface Pro and decide between that and iCloud they don't care much about having any other kind of Mac. It would be enough

      • Apple has suffered from a lack of progress ever since Jobs died. They are treading water... it took them 5 years to update the MacBook, and what we got was lackluster. 'Predicting' that they will succeed and Microsoft will falter is dubious.

        On the other hand they got a friend of mine who hasn't worn a watch since 1998 to buy an Apple Watch. Actually two, first he bought one for his significant other and then he got jealous and bought one for himself. I know anecdotes aren't data, but Apple doesn't have to defend every market they're in as long as they grow new ones. I could see Apple launching a 2-in-1 convertible like the Surface Pro and decide between that and iCloud they don't care much about having any other kind of Mac. It would be enough for a vast majority of the PC users and the rest would simply be a market Apple won't serve.

        I'm willing to bet that your friend is an outlier, one of the few who can afford to spend $370 for a watch, not just once but twice. Yes, there is a market for the Apple watch, but it currently isn't anywhere near big enough to push apple device sales to the levels being discussed.

        As for Apple creating a convertible laptop, why? All they really need to do is create an iPad that runs OSX, but then they would eat into the Mac market. In fact, Time Cook has already said that they wouldn't do this... http: [macrumors.com]

    • by rtb61 ( 674572 )

      Apple does not exist in a vacuum, it does not have to do everything right as long as it's competitors are screwing up more. So Apple did enough to sell people privacy, rather than selling their privacy versus M$'s attitude to people's privacy, it's up for sale to the highest bidder to be manipulated any way they want to.

      M$ being a pack of arrogant perves means as consumer devices they just come off as really undesirable, the only thing keeping MS Orifice and Windows Probe going are existing customer lock i

  • No tracking. No gimmicks.

    Seriously!

    I know it's not billions but it's at least a 100 million a year. They should have stayed there and been grateful with 50 employees.

  • by Gravis Zero ( 934156 ) on Sunday January 08, 2017 @05:27AM (#53627437)

    The part they are leaving out is that everyone will also be installing Linux on those devices because 2017 is finally going to be the year of the Linux Desktop! ;)

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Apple has pretty much perfected the passive aggressive forced obsolescence thing.

    They don't actively force you to upgrade anything. They just make sure you can't downgrade any of their handhelds (unless you take it into the service center, then you're getting upgraded to the latest iOS whether you want it or not- good chance if you've got an older device, this will intentionally cripple it by installing a slower OS).

    All their software basically requires the latest greatest OS as soon as they're able to pull

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  • >"Gartner predicts Apple will ship more iOS and macOS devices in 2017 than Windows-powered devices"

    So? That includes phones so it is not much of a metric.

    You want to mop the floor and talk about "devices"? Then count how many devices ship with any form of Linux.... that would DWARF both Apple and MS. Android phones, Chromebooks, DVR's, cars, watches, TV's, tablets, routers, appliances, servers, etc, etc. When you look at that, Apple and MS are both just drops in an ocean.

  • Shouldn't this have always been the case? MS makes software and sells services, their focus isn't really on devices, they let third parties do that

  • I know I'm not buying any.

    I don't want a thinner MacBook. I want one I can upgrade.

    I don't want a dongle laden iPhone. I want a mother fucking headphone jack.

    Honestly, the new MacBooks are shit. I buy used MacBooks from 2012 and upgrade the components and they are fine.

    Apple is fucking over their customers.

    And I'm an iOS developer.

  • What the? Apple is traditionally a hardware company and Microsoft traditionally a software company, even at its lowest sales in the 90s Apple always sold more than Microsoft, beating zero is really easy.

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