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Trump Administration Pulls $929 Million In Funding For California's High-Speed Rail (cnbc.com) 573

An anonymous reader shares a report from CNBC: The Federal Railroad Administration announced Thursday that it terminated a 2010 agreement with the California High-Speed Rail Authority and will pull a nearly $929 million federal grant. In a release, the FRA said the California agency "repeatedly failed to comply with the terms of the FY10 agreement and has failed to make reasonable progress on the project." At the same time, the federal agency said, "California has abandoned its original vision of a high-speed passenger rail service connecting San Francisco and Los Angeles, which was essential to its applications for FRA grant funding." In addition, the FRA said it "continues to consider all options regarding the return of $2.5 billion in American Recovery and Reinvestment Act funds awarded to CHSRA." "The Trump administration's action is illegal and a direct assault on California, our green infrastructure, and the thousands of Central Valley workers who are building this project," Newsom said in a statement Thursday. "Just as we have seen from the Trump administration's attacks on our clean air standards, our immigrant communities and in countless other areas, the Trump administration is trying to exact political retribution on our state. This is California's money, appropriated by Congress, and we will vigorously defend it in court."
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Trump Administration Pulls $929 Million In Funding For California's High-Speed Rail

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 17, 2019 @08:05AM (#58607678)

    Love how the media is spinning this, because even residents of California were bitching about the scope creep of this project, even floating ideas of abandoning rail for other options - which is line with FRA's complaint.

    But hey, its Trump so writing something that doesn't blame him is against the MSM news, right?

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Love how the media is spinning this, because even residents of California were bitching about the scope creep of this project, even floating ideas of abandoning rail for other options - which is line with FRA's complaint.

      Is it seriously your assertion that "because even residents of California were bitching" this would be an acceptable reason to pull the funding? Can we get you to provide an example of a program where no one bitched to show how this line of logic makes sense?

      But hey, its Trump so writing something that doesn't blame him is against the MSM news, right?

      Alternately, it could be that had any president acted in much the same manner, we would rightfully expect a state to stand up for their already awarded funds which were in the process of being used for the purpose Congress intended?

      But more likely that not, any time you see the media reporting on any what you perceive to be anti-Trump topics it must me that liberal media hating your beloved president. Man, that worldview must really suck to live with.

      • by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 17, 2019 @08:23AM (#58607806)

        Wow, looks like someone is a bit sensitive.

        I'm saying California residents have been openly critical about the fraud, waste, abuse, scope creep, and accountability of this project. To everyone outside of California that doesn't get this, it looks like Trump is the bad person here - not the people that were abusing this project.

      • by ArhcAngel ( 247594 ) on Friday May 17, 2019 @08:38AM (#58607902)
        I suspect it has more to do with this [slashdot.org] and this [slashdot.org] and this [slashdot.org] etc. [slashdot.org] This project has been a boondoggle from the start. Nobody who works on the planning of this project ever expects it to be completed. It's a perpetual revenue stream for their buddies construction company.
        • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

          by Anonymous Coward

          ...It's a perpetual revenue stream...

          ...As congress intended. How dare the president torpedo their efforts!

        • by HiThere ( 15173 )

          I don't know, but when normal rail lines aren't being properly maintained and run, I don't really think high speed rail is reasonable.

          We'd have done a lot better if that same money had been invested in improving the tracks for standard rail service, and possibly buying some new vehicles. I *do* think the rail lines are important. Important enough that if the owners don't want to maintain them they should be nationalized (and then **maintained**). It's an argument similar to that justifying the highway sy

          • by aaarrrgggh ( 9205 ) on Friday May 17, 2019 @12:58PM (#58609712)

            The fundamental problem is the freight railroads own their rails, and the freight is worth much more than the passengers, so it gets priority. You need a dedicated right-of-way for passenger rail to work at all, and getting that ROW with large enough radius curves and minimal grade changes to support high-speed operations has a very big impact on existing landowners.

            California botched the HSR, badly. The plan was based on getting support from congressional districts that were most opposed to it, when what should have been done first was to build from LA north and upgrade existing lines from SF south. Connecting the two might be a multi-generational project, but extending them out builds the economy and opportunity for a much larger group. When you have critical mass then you can work on the expensive connection.

            • Net-net, both kinds of rail - freight and passenger - have value.

              Freight is better for rail-line profit; it's hard for passenger rail to run on farebox revenue only without subsidy (which is what most European countries, Japan, and China do - the railroads are not truly private by any stretch of the imagination).

              People argue that the spread-out nature of US geography makes rail impractical. But look at Europe - smaller countries, but a sizeable land mass overall, which is well-supplied with subsidized pass

      • by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 17, 2019 @08:42AM (#58607924)

        Love how the media is spinning this, because even residents of California were bitching about the scope creep of this project, even floating ideas of abandoning rail for other options - which is line with FRA's complaint.

        Is it seriously your assertion that "because even residents of California were bitching" this would be an acceptable reason to pull the funding? Can we get you to provide an example of a program where no one bitched to show how this line of logic makes sense?

        But hey, its Trump so writing something that doesn't blame him is against the MSM news, right?

        Alternately, it could be that had any president acted in much the same manner, we would rightfully expect a state to stand up for their already awarded funds which were in the process of being used for the purpose Congress intended?

        But more likely that not, any time you see the media reporting on any what you perceive to be anti-Trump topics it must me that liberal media hating your beloved president. Man, that worldview must really suck to live with.

        What part of "used for high-speed rail between Los Angeles and San Francisco" is beyond your ability to comprehend?

        California cancelled that - California doesn't deserve the money.

        "Mommy, please give me my tuition money even though I dropped out of college!"

        Grow the fuck up.

      • by bistromath007 ( 1253428 ) on Friday May 17, 2019 @09:14AM (#58608168)

        The funds weren't being used for their intended purpose. That is the entire issue.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      California said on Feb 12, 2019 that they were scrapping the $77 Billion project.

      • by larkost ( 79011 )

        No, the project was not scrapped, it was reduced in size. The idea is to build the portion that has not been mired in political squabbles to enable it to then grow again to meet the full intended goals later.

        I live about 300 meters from where the route was originally supposed to go through San Jose, so have seen a lot of the NIMBY arguments that have played out. A lot of it has been utterly dirty pool from those against the project.

    • by Applehu Akbar ( 2968043 ) on Friday May 17, 2019 @08:52AM (#58608016)

      Whatever gave the People’s Republic of California the idea that it could get an extra federal $1 billion for a project it has already cancelled?

    • by DRJlaw ( 946416 )

      But hey, its Trump so writing something that doesn't blame him is against the MSM news, right?

      If you don't want to blamed for an action, don't publicly direct that action [thehill.com] on your own damn Twitter account when you're the leader of the entity taking the action.

      So unfair to be taken at your word...

  • Uh oh (Score:5, Funny)

    by cascadingstylesheet ( 140919 ) on Friday May 17, 2019 @08:14AM (#58607728) Journal

    /. heads exploding due to contradiction, like a 60s sci fi robot in 3 ... 2... 1 ...

    "Must hate Trump ... but the CA rail project is so stupid, and I have snarked at it before ... but must hate Trump ... aaauuuuuggghghhh!!!"

    • Re:Uh oh (Score:4, Insightful)

      by hey! ( 33014 ) on Friday May 17, 2019 @09:40AM (#58608332) Homepage Journal

      It's not stupid. It's difficult. Likely *too* difficult for *us*. There's a big difference.

      It's like a manned Mars expedition. That's not a stupid idea at all. What's stupid is believing that we'll have the political will to mount a credible effort because you *wish it to happen*. Every public dollar spent on Mars with a view to a manned mission in our lifetime is wasted, because it'll always be a half-assed PR stunt done on the cheap. We've become a country besotted with the past, yet unwilling to make the kinds of sacrifices people in the past took for granted as the price of greatness. We squabble over dividing the pie handed down to us by prior generations, without any thought to what we hand to future generations. Our ability to accomplish great things for the future is about what you'd expect from a country so focused on exploiting its legacy.

      In comparison to Mars, high speed rail is *easy*. China's about the same size as us, and they've covered half their country in high speed rail links in about the same time we've struggled to pick the lowest of the low-hanging fruit: LA to San Francisco. We treat technological leadership as a birthright, but it's nothing so mystical. It's just the legacy of openness -- to big ideas, big projects, and immigrants with drive to improve their lot in life. That's how 5% of the world's population manages to achieve scientific, technological, economic and military dominance of the globe. We might as well put up a wall all the way around the country, because we don't want to see what's going on outside: other countries leaving us behind.

  • by sabbede ( 2678435 ) on Friday May 17, 2019 @08:14AM (#58607730)
    you were going to use it for, then I'd like it back. I don't think that is unreasonable. I do think that letting California keep it would be unreasonable.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      you were going to use it for, then I'd like it back. I don't think that is unreasonable. I do think that letting California keep it would be unreasonable.

      But ... but ... Trump! Orange!! Something!

      Don't try your silly logic on us!

    • by jwhyche ( 6192 ) on Friday May 17, 2019 @08:35AM (#58607872) Homepage

      This is California. You can already see by the reaction here that they are clearly beyond reason on so many issue. Here is the typical California response on this issue.

      *Wah Wah bad man take away money on project we wasted money on and canceled. Wah Wah" *stamps feet* *stamps feet* "Wah wah its not fair, we are special we should keep the money" *more stamping of feet* *flee to safe space* *stick thumb in mouth*

      Go head tell me I'm wrong.

    • by JoeyRox ( 2711699 ) on Friday May 17, 2019 @08:48AM (#58607988)
      you were going to use it for, then I'd like it back. I don't think that is unreasonable. I do think that letting California keep it would be unreasonable.

      You mean like like using Pell Grant money for NASA instead [washingtonpost.com], or using Military project money for a border wall instead [washingtonpost.com]?
  • by Salo2112 ( 628590 ) on Friday May 17, 2019 @08:23AM (#58607796)
    Going to use the money to help fund the wall, so it almost counts as Mexico paying for it. :-)
    • Re: (Score:2, Troll)

      by Freischutz ( 4776131 )

      Going to use the money to help fund the wall, so it almost counts as Mexico paying for it. :-)

      Why does't Trump just pass the hat among the red states to raise money for the wall? ... oh... right ... they are all net recipients of federal dollars from blue states except Texas and Texas hates the idea of a border wall.

      • Going to use the money to help fund the wall, so it almost counts as Mexico paying for it. :-)

        Why does't Trump just pass the hat among the red states to raise money for the wall? ... oh... right ... they are all net recipients of federal dollars from blue states except Texas and Texas hates the idea of a border wall.

        That's not how this whole thing works now is it? By the way, Texas, in general, supports the wall idea, regardless of how many "man on the street" interviews you see...

  • by NikeHerc ( 694644 ) on Friday May 17, 2019 @08:30AM (#58607848)
    This is not your money, Newsom. This is my federal tax money and you are entitled to any of it. You are just another clueless, hate-filled politician who has botched this project from beginning to end. Do us all a favor and secede from the union.
    • by reanjr ( 588767 )

      CA pays more in federal taxes than they receive in funding. Unless you live in NY or CA, you are probably a federal welfare baby whom the coastal residents of this nation have deigned to support.

  • by bobbomo ( 877614 ) on Friday May 17, 2019 @08:37AM (#58607886)

    If I personally have a contract to do a project with certain short-term goals, then not only don't meet those goals, but change what the project is. I would fully expect the money flow to stop since my part of the contract was not met.

    It seems to me if there was to be a lawsuit, then it should go the other way around.

  • Start with a potentially worthwhile project that has a reasonable budget. Sink a lot of cash into it, then report that it will cost far more that originally planned and be far less useful.

    But hey, we've already spend all that money - if we stop now it'll be for nothing. So let's more than double the budget (from $40B to $98B) and push the timeline out indefinitely. Because all that money is being spent in Nancy Pelosi's district, so it must be good.

  • by TheZeitgeist ( 5083373 ) on Friday May 17, 2019 @08:53AM (#58608022)

    ...you get a California liberal to build a wall in a desert in the middle of nowhere, for seven billion dollars?

    Answer: Tell them its a train.

    Trump's been going about this border wall thing all wrong.

  • It would be easier to stop Trump from playing golf every weekend, and would probably save even more money.

    • It would be easier to stop Trump from playing golf every weekend, and would probably save even more money.

      Trump has so far taken 175 trips costing between $99M [trumpgolfcount.com] and $595M [npr.org]. Assuming the worst case, it will take Trump only one term to spend more golfing than he's trying to take away from California.

  • We haven't seen something this pro-Trump on the front page in a while; I was wondering if the editors here all went on vacation together or something. How great it is to see slashdot telling us again what we should think about national politics so we don't have to do any thinking for ourselves.
    • What are you talking about? That summary was mostly quotes. Yes, it didn't paint Trump as the villain, and in fact it makes CA sound like idiots ( they/we are ), but given that's mostly quotes I'm not sure we can lay that on the editors.

  • by TomGreenhaw ( 929233 ) on Friday May 17, 2019 @09:59AM (#58608452)
    Trump channels Reagan.

    He's cutting as much Federal money as possible that goes to the States.

    The four pillars of Reagan's economic policy were to reduce the growth of government spending, reduce the federal income tax and capital gains tax, reduce government regulation, and tighten the money supply in order to reduce inflation.

    Trumponomics increases the money supply. By the time stagflation kicks in, he'll be out of office.
  • by k6mfw ( 1182893 ) on Friday May 17, 2019 @11:59AM (#58609272)

    Because our culture doesn't accept rail transport though there are growing numbers of people favoring HSR (places where traffic, housing, etc. are getting so bad that companies finding it difficult to hire good talent). https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]

    What gets me is so many people bitch about wasting money on HSR but yet don't have a problem spending a trillion dollars on Iraq and Afghanistan with nothing to show for it.

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